FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[Mojouw]

Was Tomlin right when he said the Steelers' offensive line was excellent in the 49ers game?
Probably not.

I have long said that NFL mandated media sessions by coaches, players, or whoever are lies, half-truths, propaganda, and overall nonsense.

Coaches across the league throw people to the wolves who they think can handle it and publicly support struggling players/units that the think need a show of faith.

Public comments and private reality are extremely different. Almost every former NFL dude I've seen talk about it has always remarked on what fans were told versus what was actually going on internally.

[Hawkman]

Hey, if Tomlin gets fired, McDaniels is now available.:chuckle:

[El Kabong]

The Raiders fired McDickhead?

[86WARD]

The Raiders fired McDickhead?

They cleaned house. HC, GM , OC all gone...

[Steeler-in-west]

He appreciates them? Lol

Turnovers are always good, even if your offense is shitty. For one thing it stops the other teams drive and gives you the chance to at least move the ball downfield and pin the other team deeper in their own territory

maybe he wants the db’s to start batting down catchable balls

[DesertSteel]

Tomlin gets all the credit for winning when the team doesn’t play well and none of the blame for the team not playing well.

[pczach]

Tomlin gets all the credit for winning when the team doesn’t play well and none of the blame for the team not playing well.


You're probably right.

The thing I find most amazing is the fact that all we keep hearing is that Tomlin wins games. He's a winner. He's a leader of men. It looks ugly most of the time, but the man knows how to win football games and will his team to victory. That's what makes him great.

On the other hand we have Kenny Pickett. Who doesn't always look pretty, at times looks ugly, but when everything is on the line he balls out and finds a way to win games. No matter how much he has struggled, when it matters most he is able to will himself and the team to get it done. He's just a winner and a great leader that players follow.

Yet the same people that use that logic to prop up Tomlin, use it against Kenny Pickett.

[DesertSteel]

Tomlin is ESPN’s Coach of the Year in their mid season awards.

[Mojouw]

Tomlin is ESPN’s Coach of the Year in their mid season awards.

That is not the only place that I have seen or heard that being discussed.

Is there a coach in the league whose perception by the home-town fans and the out-of-town fans/media is more spread out than Tomlin's?

[NCSteeler]

How is that? Has he coached past some major adverse conditions? Most of them overcoming is overcoming themselves

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[86WARD]

Tomlin is ESPN’s Coach of the Year in their mid season awards.

That’s interesting. I feel like I’ve seen better coaching jobs in previous seasons by Tomlin.

Although, something is putting Ws in the correct column when they seem to be losing everything else on the field…

[lipps83]

How is that? Has he coached past some major adverse conditions? [Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

Have you seen this team play?

[NCSteeler]

Have you seen this team play?I consider pulling a perfect shit play out of your ass at the end of games great coaching.

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[Edman]

He's Jeff Fisher 2.0.

Time to move on from him.

[Mach1]

Tomlin 0-27 when trailing by 18+ points.

[Edman]

It's AB's/Bell's fault.
It's Todd Haley's fault.
It's Randy Fichtner's fault.
It's Juju's fault.
It's Ben's fault.
It's Mason/Duck's fault.
It's Claypool's fault.
It's Mitch's fault.
It's Canada's fault.
It's Kenny's fault.

Running out of scapegoats for the hack.

[dislocatedday]

If Art does not extend Tomlin after this year, then he is basically a lame duck coach next season. Maybe Tomlin just walks away in that situation and sets the stage for a new staff to come in?

[Rotorhead]

The fact that this team can’t seem to find GP all game long is completely shocking to me week in and week out. The sloppy plays, illegal formations, the lack of a real game plan week in and week out is getting old. This team won on the back of Ben since Tomlin took over, now he doesn’t have that HOF bound QB to prop him up. I am ready for him to be out of Pittsburgh. Problem is, who is the HC that can come in here pull this team together and put together a winning staff.

[SteeleReign]

The Rooneys would be stupid not to trade Tomlin. There are 10 teams that would take him. Make it happen, Art!

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[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Tomlin now blaming the turnovers, they got 7 points on theirs and we got 0. He looks clueless.

[Mach1]

Tomlin now blaming the turnovers, they got 7 points on theirs and we got 0. He looks clueless.

He's running out of excuses.

[Edman]

Mike Tomlin setting historical records and they are not good ones.

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The fact that this team can’t seem to find GP all game long is completely shocking to me week in and week out. The sloppy plays, illegal formations, the lack of a real game plan week in and week out is getting old. This team won on the back of Ben since Tomlin took over, now he doesn’t have that HOF bound QB to prop him up. I am ready for him to be out of Pittsburgh. Problem is, who is the HC that can come in here pull this team together and put together a winning staff.

The Steelers found Tomlin and Cowher from nowhere. They can do it again.

It's time to move on.

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

I wish some reporters would ask Tomlin tougher questions

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[DuckHodges]

There’s something systematically wrong with this team and the one constant has been deer in headlights Tomlin

[DesertSteel]

This is a low point for the Tomlin era. He has no answers. Time to move on.

[Rotorhead]

What sucks is we would be challenging for a SB if we had a good coach like Shanahan. This team and a good coaching staff we would be leading our division right now with the exact same personnel we have. We probably have 2 losses (SF and Jax). Leftwich was begging to come in and be the OC, at the very least we could have hired him as the QB coach when we fired Canada to audition him for OC next season. Tomlin refuses to make any real changes at all or when it is too late.

[Rocky Mtn.]

It's AB's/Bell's fault.
It's Todd Haley's fault.
It's Randy Fichtner's fault.
It's Juju's fault.
It's Ben's fault.
It's Mason/Duck's fault.
It's Claypool's fault.
It's Mitch's fault.
It's Canada's fault.
It's Kenny's fault.

Running out of scapegoats for the hack.This. Its time for him to go.

[Edman]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201409280pit.htm

Funny how this thread was started back on September 28, 2014, where the Steelers just got done laying a Tomlin special to Mike Glennon and the winless Tampa Bay Bucs with Ben, Bell, and AB at home. Of course, that 2014 team would up losing to more bad teams that season and flopped in the postseason as well, and the Steelers have won nothing of note since. '76 and the boys had this fraud pegged from the get go.

It's been nearly ten years since. Ten years waiting for Tomlin to stop the mediocrity, and it's just gotten worse. Time for Tomlin to get on with his life's work.

[pczach]

Listening to these media clowns defending Mike Tomlin after this game makes me want to throw up. They are putting everything on the quarterbacks. Everything. They are basically saying Pickett is trash and poor Tomlin just has no chance with these guys on his team.

Poor Mike Tomlin? The same Mike Tomlin that didn't prepare Kenny Pickett for significant playing time in training camp his rookie season. He names Mitch Trubisky the starting QB, then needs to replace him with Kenny Pickett after 4 games.

He hired Matt Canada and enabled Canada to stay way too long as he destroyed this offense, handcuffed Kenny Pickett, and prevented his development.

Watching this game and seeing Tomlin's team completely outcoached on both sides of the ball with the original gameplan is sickening. Falling behind 21-3 and being completely out coached out of the gate again.

Watching his time mismanagement throughout this entire game is sickening. Blowing timeouts with no rhyme or reason is mind-numbing. Calling a timeout with 2:41 left in the first half, leaving only one timeout remaining actually made the Patriots be more aggressive to pick up the first down instead of just playing defense and trying to get the ball back and having time left to try to score.

Nearly every decision he made during the game was incorrect. They literally came back in this game in spite of Mike Tomlin.

He wasted a defensive interception by not taking the field goal to get within one score. He went for it on 4th and 3 and got nothing.

The defense and special teams bail him out immediately and they block a punt to get the ball deep in Patriots territory and they manage to punch it in and get the 2 point conversion.

Then he calls timeout and goes for it on fourth and inches from their own 30, then punt the ball just a couple plays later with more ridiculous play calling and with less timeouts.

With the ball and a chance to win the game with over 2 minutes left in the game and the 2-minute warning available, they decide to go empty set on 3rd down and 2 instead of having a back in the game to either make the defense defend the run, or they could hand off and probably get the first down. They throw on third down and get nothing. Still over 2 minutes left, they go for it on fourth down again. They throw and don't get the first down. Pretty much game right there.

How is this guy getting praised? Did they even watch the game?

Enough is enough with this blind praise of Mike Tomlin.

[Mach1]

Hey everyone did you know Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season? :chuckle:

[Voice of Reason]

I've been watching the Steelers for over 60 years and have never rooted against them in my life, but if the Steelers are 8-8 going into the last game of the season and they have no chance to make the playoffs, I will be rooting for the Steelers to lose just so I won't have to hear "Tomlin has never had a losing season" ever again.

[Voice of Reason]

With the ball and a chance to win the game with over 2 minutes left in the game and the 2-minute warning available, they decide to go empty set on 3rd down and 2 instead of having a back in the game to either make the defense defend the run, or they could hand off and probably get the first down. They throw on third down and get nothing. Still over 2 minutes left, they go for it on fourth down again. They throw and don't get the first down. Pretty much game right there.

Matt Canada could have called two better plays in that situation than the plays that were actually called. Seriously.

[pczach]

Matt Canada could have called two better plays in that situation than the plays that were actually called. Seriously.


They probably should have spread them out and run the ball on 3rd and 2. They probably get the first down there and you go to the 2 minute warning. Instead they go empty set and run two pass plays to roll right into the 2 minute warning and turnover the ball on downs.

The coaching and play calling just continues to be horrific. They showed signs of doing things better, but this game was a disaster.

[BlackAndGold]

Tomlin won't be getting fired. This off-season will be interesting though as 2024 is the last year of his contract, if there is no extension, Tomlin will likely be let go when it expires.

[DuckHodges]

https://scontent.fhnl3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/25353627_307993929718815_1839352496316775023_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=7f8c78&_nc_ohc=YH47Xbi_PFAAX8IBqDw&_nc_ht=scontent.fhnl3-2.fna&oh=00_AfBwcwHK030KMIu4aaKolBib3CFzAqeiSEZ7YfH666mk Iw&oe=659A2A76

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

I've been watching the Steelers for over 60 years and have never rooted against them in my life, but if the Steelers are 8-8 going into the last game of the season and they have no chance to make the playoffs, I will be rooting for the Steelers to lose just so I won't have to hear "Tomlin has never had a losing season" ever again.I'm totally with you on that!!

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[86WARD]

Matt Canada could have called two better plays in that situation than the plays that were actually called. Seriously.

You could maybe have called two better plays…Matt Canada could not.

[86WARD]

Tomlin won't be getting fired. This off-season will be interesting though as 2024 is the last year of his contract, if there is no extension, Tomlin will likely be let go when it expires.

And there lies the problem. If he’s not extended, what OC is going to come in and agree to a contract on the potential that this guy could be let go after 2024? The Rooneys have not had the foresight to figure this out well before continuing on and on with the Matt Canada experiment…the hiring of Canada from the very beginning has been the biggest blunder in the organizations history. There’s not a bigger draft blunder or roster move or coaching move than the hiring of Canada and then keeping him for 4 seasons.

[BlackAndGold]

And there lies the problem. If he’s not extended, what OC is going to come in and agree to a contract on the potential that this guy could be let go after 2024? The Rooneys have not had the foresight to figure this out well before continuing on and on with the Matt Canada experiment…the hiring of Canada from the very beginning has been the biggest blunder in the organizations history. There’s not a bigger draft blunder or roster move or coaching move than the hiring of Canada and then keeping him for 4 seasons.

Basically, Tomlin won't be going anywhere unless he decides too.

[DesertSteel]

And there lies the problem. If he’s not extended, what OC is going to come in and agree to a contract on the potential that this guy could be let go after 2024?
With three coaches in 55 years, I doubt that is a big worry for a prospective OC. With half the teams in the league, the coach getting fired is a likelihood.

[Steeler-in-west]

What sucks is we would be challenging for a SB if we had a good coach like Shanahan. This team and a good coaching staff we would be leading our division right now with the exact same personnel we have. We probably have 2 losses (SF and Jax). Leftwich was begging to come in and be the OC, at the very least we could have hired him as the QB coach when we fired Canada to audition him for OC next season. Tomlin refuses to make any real changes at all or when it is too late.

Tomlin is a control freak and a bit insecure. I’m starting to believe that - that’s why they don’t bring anyone in worth a damn.

[86WARD]

With three coaches in 55 years, I doubt that is a big worry for a prospective OC. With half the teams in the league, the coach getting fired is a likelihood.

If an OC or potential OC has the option to work with Tomlin whose future could be in doubt or Sean McVay, they are most likely sticking (or choosing) the McVay situation.

[Mojouw]

You are not attracting top OC candidates for several reasons recently with the Steelers:

1. Top offensive coaches are getting bumped (often right past coordinator) to Head Coach. That path is closed in Pittsburgh, so these candidates look elsewhere.

2. Few OC's were going to want to come and work with Ben during the tail of his prime and the rough twilight of his career. Look around the league....few established and high reputation OC's volunteer to go work with HOF caliber QBs at the end. At that point, the team is basically running the QB's offense and the OC doesn't have much input or say. That is why Hackett emerged in GB and has been kinda trash everywhere else. Unlike his prime years, when guess with the reputation of Haley and Arians were more than willing to come and work with a HOF QB.

3. It will be interesting if the potential of a "fresh start/clean slate" with KP in 2024 is enough to lure higher caliber offensive coaches or not. I suspect that it may be just enough to talk someone into it.

[DesertSteel]

If an OC or potential OC has the option to work with Tomlin whose future could be in doubt or Sean McVay, they are most likely sticking (or choosing) the McVay situation.
I'd disagree based on the fact that a bum like Canada got three years. Imagine the leash that a legit offense would provide. And if that team had a real offense, Tomlin wouldn't be going anywhere. The reality is that he's likely not going anywhere anyway.

[SteeleReign]

I suspect that the future of Tomlin and his staff are linked to Pickett. They'll get next year to fix this mess, and if they don't, they'll find a new offensive-mined head coach and let him draft the QB of his choice in 2025.

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[DesertSteel]

Just look at the start date of this thread. Almost 10 years ago. That tells you all you need to know about whether Tomlin is getting fired.

[Mojouw]

I suspect that the future of Tomlin and his staff are linked to Pickett. They'll get next year to fix this mess, and if they don't, they'll find a new offensive-mined head coach and let him draft the QB of his choice in 2025.

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That is typically how the failure of first round darft picks taking down entire organizations plays out. I think it is a fairly solid prediction.

[DesertSteel]

I'd hire Kurt Warner to be the OC next year. He has a brilliant offensive mind and seems to understand what Kenny does well and could design an offense around him. He might be ready for a change out of the analyst desk.

[SteeleReign]

Does he have any interest in leaving the desk?

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[Mojouw]

I'd hire Kurt Warner to be the OC next year. He has a brilliant offensive mind and seems to understand what Kenny does well and could design an offense around him. He might be ready for a change out of the analyst desk.

Maybe as QB coach first?

I think we have seen the dangers inherent in hiring OC's with no NFL experience over the last several years.

I believe that Warner might have the capability to do the job and do it well. But to come up with an entire playbook, a strategy for installing and teaching it, and hire out his staff, all between say Feb. 1 and April? That is a big ask for someone with zero experience to lean on.

[DesertSteel]

Maybe as QB coach first?

I think we have seen the dangers inherent in hiring OC's with no NFL experience over the last several years.

I believe that Warner might have the capability to do the job and do it well. But to come up with an entire playbook, a strategy for installing and teaching it, and hire out his staff, all between say Feb. 1 and April? That is a big ask for someone with zero experience to lean on.
You raise valid points. But I'd take the chance by hiring an offensive senior analyst to assist. If he'd take the QBC position, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

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Does he have any interest in leaving the desk?

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Just an observation that he might be ready for a new challenge now that his kids are grown.

[SteeleReign]

Got ya. I'd take him as QBC for sure, but I'm not sure the FO is married to KP as the future.

I'd prefer they let Tomlin and his crew ride out 2024 and see if they fix this mess.

If not, tear it down and start over. Coaches AND QB1.

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[DesertSteel]

Got ya. I'd take him as QBC for sure, but I'm not sure the FO is married to KP as the future.

I'd prefer they let Tomlin and his crew ride out 2024 and see if they fix this mess.

If not, tear it down and start over. Coaches AND QB1.

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"And his crew" -- you don't mean keeping the same OC setup they have now do you??

[SteeleReign]

"And his crew" -- you don't mean keeping the same OC setup they have now do you??I don't necessarily WANT them to, but if the FO have any thoughts about moving on from Tomlin, we'll likely see the same coordinators.

Unless they hire an OC that they consider HC material in 2025 if things don't work out for Tomlin/Pickett next year.

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[Jens_Karlsson]

Just look at the start date of this thread. Almost 10 years ago. That tells you all you need to know about whether Tomlin is getting fired.woooouw, thats an eye-opener... holy cow, ok guess we will see after next season

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[86WARD]

Very interesting article on Sean McDermott…I think some of this is what is happening in Pittsburgh in a similar form or fashion.


https://www.golongtd.com/p/the-mcdermott-problem-part-i-blame

[Mach1]

Very interesting article on Sean McDermott…I think some of this is what is happening in Pittsburgh in a similar form or fashion.


https://www.golongtd.com/p/the-mcdermott-problem-part-i-blame


He’s described repeatedly as a “blamer.” Coaches see a boss who preaches accountability while taking none himself. As the Titanic inches toward an iceberg, this captain shoves passengers aside to secure his own lifeboat.

Sound familiar?

[DesertSteel]

Very interesting article on Sean McDermott…I think some of this is what is happening in Pittsburgh in a similar form or fashion.


https://www.golongtd.com/p/the-mcdermott-problem-part-i-blame

And McDermott just got the vote of confidence this afternoon.

[DuckHodges]

is the HC to blame if we only have 2 timeouts left in the 4th quarter? they seem to have a habit of burning timeouts unnecessarily in the 3rd / early 4Q and it comes back to bite them at the end of the game

[pczach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOVtBhuxGrA

[Steeler-in-west]

We are in better shape than 83, where we had aging players from the dynasty with middle of the road draftees. We knew as fans the ride was over and it was going to be awhile before we got back on top. I remember thinking ten years and it actually took a little longer (till the 95 Super Bowl). What made the 80’s easier to handle was knowing we had our time of real dominance and enjoyed it as fans.

it’s easier to rebuild or reload now. I think we’d already be a playoff team on the rise if they gotten a good OC (and not made the Canada mistake) and maybe a better DC (Flores?). Coaching staff is where the Steelers are lacking. They’re behind the times there. As far as HC, every coach has a shelf life, its just time for a new HC to come in to go along with the new staff. Tomlin has had enough time, it’s obvious from the last few years and specially the last couple weeks, the Tomlin message is getting old.

[Edman]

Andy Reid got the boot in Philadelphia despite a Super Bowl appearance and multiple NFC Championships.

Mike McCarthy was axed in Green Bay despite a Super Bowl win.

Two Super Bowl wins were not enough to protect Tom Coughlin in New York.

The NFL is a "What have you done for me lately" league and glories of years ago can buy you so much time, especially when you disappointed as much as he has. Mike Tomlin is not immune or exempt. It's just what happens.

[Voice of Reason]

…the hiring of Canada from the very beginning has been the biggest blunder in the organizations history.

Well, the cutting of Johnny Unitas might have been a little worse...

[Steeler-in-west]

Well, the cutting of Johnny Unitas might have been a little worse...

why stop at Unitas? Letting go of Dawson, Earl Morral, not drafting Marino, maybe we’d better off with a blue chip center right now than Najee. Water under the bridge that doesn’t directly affect the team

Hiring Canada on the other hand did directly delay/damage the reloading - quick rebuilding process. That decision has much wider implications on the team

[DesertSteel]

Andy Reid got the boot in Philadelphia despite a Super Bowl appearance and multiple NFC Championships.

Mike McCarthy was axed in Green Bay despite a Super Bowl win.

Two Super Bowl wins were not enough to protect Tom Coughlin in New York.

The NFL is a "What have you done for me lately" league and glories of years ago can buy you so much time, especially when you disappointed as much as he has. Mike Tomlin is not immune or exempt. It's just what happens.
How many coaches have those teams had since 1969? Comparing other team to the Steelers is an exercise in futility.

[86WARD]

Well, the cutting of Johnny Unitas might have been a little worse...

Not sure that’s actually true. Those teams back then were pretty bad. Not sure even Unitas could’ve made a difference there. If I remember correctly, the season they cut him Butch Marchibroda put up similar numbers. I could be wrong…I’m going off memory from the announcers talking about it in the mid 90s…lol.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Late-season collapses not foreign to Steelers, coach Mike Tomlin

JOE RUTTER | Saturday, Dec. 9, 2023

https://triblive.com/sports/late-season-collapses-not-foreign-to-steelers-coach-mike-tomlin/

[DesertSteel]

You put washed 40 year old quarterback like Joe Flaco who’s been sitting on the couch for months on a team with an offensive head coach and with a few practices he’s better than the entire Steelers quarterback room. It’s really disgusting this trash that Tomlin puts out there and calls a professional offense.

[86WARD]

You put washed 40 year old quarterback like Joe Flaco who’s been sitting on the couch for months on a team with an offensive head coach and with a few practices he’s better than the entire Steelers quarterback room. It’s really disgusting this trash that Tomlin puts out there and calls a professional offense.

And the Browns are probably better with Flacco than with Watson.

[Mojouw]

Flacco got super duper lucky.

Tons of turnovers. Guys fell down on key plays. The stats look good, but if I was prepping to play the Browns, I’d be giggling with glee at getting a shot at Flacco.

[Mojouw]

Watched a good deal of Lions/Bears, Jags/Browns, and Rams/Ravens.

Applying the standards from this thread for penalties, execution, and clock management - every single head coach involved in those games should be joining Tomlin at the unemployment line.

[DesertSteel]

Flacco got super duper lucky.

Tons of turnovers. Guys fell down on key plays. The stats look good, but if I was prepping to play the Browns, I’d be giggling with glee at getting a shot at Flacco.
Yeah and Pickett and Trubisky are really unlucky. Funny how that works.

[oneforthetoe]

Watched a good deal of Lions/Bears, Jags/Browns, and Rams/Ravens.

Applying the standards from this thread for penalties, execution, and clock management - every single head coach involved in those games should be joining Tomlin at the unemployment line.

Peterson is an idiot. You have to kick extra point there.

[Mojouw]

Yeah and Pickett and Trubisky are really unlucky. Funny how that works.

There’s no reasonable way that you watched that game and thought Flacco didnt get lucky. He had tons of short fields and his defense cleaned up every mistake.

He had a decent game that if his defense didn’t just kick butt would’ve been a loss.

He’s better than Trubisky. But who isnt?

[DesertSteel]

There’s no reasonable way that you watched that game and thought Flacco didnt get lucky. He had tons of short fields and his defense cleaned up every mistake.

He had a decent game that if his defense didn’t just kick butt would’ve been a loss.

He’s better than Trubisky. But who isnt?
I watched that whole game and reasonably thought that Flacco looked better than every qb start of the Steelers this season.

And Danny Devito for the Giants and every other off the street free agent.

[Mojouw]

I watched that whole game and reasonably thought that Flacco looked better than every qb start of the Steelers this season.

And Danny Devito for the Giants and every other off the street free agent.

Better than the Steelers is a meaningless statement.

They’ve gotten the worst QB play in the league.

Bad QBs mired in a broken system.

That doesn’t mean Flacco wasn’t still lucky.

[DesertSteel]

Better than the Steelers is a meaningless statement.

They’ve gotten the worst QB play in the league.

Bad QBs mired in a broken system.

That doesn’t mean Flacco wasn’t still lucky.
That’s my point!!!! Everybody is better at quarterback than the Steelers! And the reason is Tomlin at this point.

[Dwinsgames]

Tomlin needs this shirt to roam the sidelines in ....
https://img.kwcdn.com/product/Fancyalgo/VirtualModelMatting/7bdeb4e9e7378c8bae0491fa26361a6f.jpg?imageView2/2/w/800/q/70/format/webp

[Mojouw]

That’s my point!!!! Everybody is better at quarterback than the Steelers! And the reason is Tomlin at this point.

Maybe?

He’s not throwing the passes.

Trubisky might be the worst mentally in the entire league on any roster anywhere.

And that’s on Tomlin or someone for signing him. I guess.

[Born2Steel]

The team captains keep saying it's execution, and it starts at film study. Even the fans aren't listening to them.

[Rotorhead]

It sounds like MT has lost the locker room honestly. Losing sucks, but this is a team with a winning record and currently in the middle of a playoff hunt and they are falling apart. Bad teams with bad coaches on losing teams do that. This isn’t a bad team, isn’t currently a losing team, so coaching isn’t working for them, not pulling them together. I see next season as MTs last unless they somehow turn it around before next game and they have a great next season.

[Voice of Reason]

Watched a good deal of Lions/Bears, Jags/Browns, and Rams/Ravens.

Applying the standards from this thread for penalties, execution, and clock management - every single head coach involved in those games should be joining Tomlin at the unemployment line.
The best one was when Harbaugh challenged an obvious touchdown that had already been automatically reviewed.

[DesertSteel]

Watched a good deal of Lions/Bears, Jags/Browns, and Rams/Ravens.

Applying the standards from this thread for penalties, execution, and clock management - every single head coach involved in those games should be joining Tomlin at the unemployment line.
The difference is tenure. Tomlin is 10+ years sporting a big nothing burger except his streak of non losing. Okay, I concede. Tomlin is a non loser. But it’s time, just like it was for Reid, McCarthy and others in recent past.

[Mojouw]

The difference is tenure. Tomlin is 10+ years sporting a big nothing burger except his streak of non losing. Okay, I concede. Tomlin is a non loser. But it’s time, just like it was for Reid, McCarthy and others in recent past.

So the standard is not player execution and preparation and whatever other details have floated around this thread....but frequency of winning "something"? What is enough? I wild-card weekend win? A division round win? Only Championship game appearances?

The Chiefs had a game winning play nullified because a WR lined up improperly. Isn't that one of those detail things that only happens to Tomlin because he's a players coach and not these wonderful amazing game winning coaches like Andy Reid?

Or what about the fact that Reid's team is only ONE game better than the Steelers despite having Mahomes and a roughly equivalently talented defense? That includes a home loss to the Lions that they looked like they sleep-walked through. Or the fact that the entire team has no receiver with reliable hands besides Kelce? If that was the case in Pittsburgh that would be a Tomlin offense...but no one mentions that here when they extoll the virtues of Reid.

Using the standards applied here, the Steelers should fire a coach after every 3 seasons or so. There is no coaching performance that would fit the rough set of parameters that have come together in this thread.

[DesertSteel]

So the standard is not player execution and preparation and whatever other details have floated around this thread....but frequency of winning "something"? What is enough? I wild-card weekend win? A division round win? Only Championship game appearances?

The Chiefs had a game winning play nullified because a WR lined up improperly. Isn't that one of those detail things that only happens to Tomlin because he's a players coach and not these wonderful amazing game winning coaches like Andy Reid?

Or what about the fact that Reid's team is only ONE game better than the Steelers despite having Mahomes and a roughly equivalently talented defense? That includes a home loss to the Lions that they looked like they sleep-walked through. Or the fact that the entire team has no receiver with reliable hands besides Kelce? If that was the case in Pittsburgh that would be a Tomlin offense...but no one mentions that here when they extoll the virtues of Reid.

Using the standards applied here, the Steelers should fire a coach after every 3 seasons or so. There is no coaching performance that would fit the rough set of parameters that have come together in this thread.
You overanalyze everything until it means nothing. Everything means something. Nothing means everything. When it's time to make a change, you make it. It's called leadership. Maybe Rooney has it, but I don't see it yet. I'm proud that we only have three coaches since 1969. But is the team never allowed to move on from a head coach in order to uphold that tradition? How many years since a playoff win? How many years since it's been that long? Those are pretty important stats. Im not sure what a Chiefs player lining up offsides has to do with any of this, but in your world, you'll connect the dots.

[SteeleReign]

So the standard is not player execution and preparation and whatever other details have floated around this thread....but frequency of winning "something"? What is enough? I wild-card weekend win? A division round win? Only Championship game appearances?

The Chiefs had a game winning play nullified because a WR lined up improperly. Isn't that one of those detail things that only happens to Tomlin because he's a players coach and not these wonderful amazing game winning coaches like Andy Reid?

Or what about the fact that Reid's team is only ONE game better than the Steelers despite having Mahomes and a roughly equivalently talented defense? That includes a home loss to the Lions that they looked like they sleep-walked through. Or the fact that the entire team has no receiver with reliable hands besides Kelce? If that was the case in Pittsburgh that would be a Tomlin offense...but no one mentions that here when they extoll the virtues of Reid.

Using the standards applied here, the Steelers should fire a coach after every 3 seasons or so. There is no coaching performance that would fit the rough set of parameters that have come together in this thread.If Andy Reid's players continue to make those same game-altering mistakes multiple times over multiple seasons, AND the team isn't getting playoff wins, then I'd suspect that his office chair will be getting warm.

There's enough anecdotal evidence to question whether Tomlin and the team would be best parting ways.

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[feltdizz]

These last 2 losses truly broke a lot of fans and a lot of Tomlin defenders (that would be me). He really needs to do something amazing to win me back. A playoff appearance with a win this year would be the only thing that could win me over. I'll even take a close loss if we play solid ball and lose.

I watched a lot of football this Sunday, well.. I watched Red Zone mostly but it's wild how many times I seen guys WIDE OPEN on a blown coverage. No one EVER slips and falls when they play us, WE always slip and fall. That seems odd given how bad our field is at times but it shows that the defense knows what we are going so there are no cuts that surprise a defender, no misdirection that has a defender going right while a WR or TE cuts left and runs for daylight.

There was a game that was 3-0 and I bet it had more highlights than we do. We are just boring and predictable on offense and no one seems to make a play or does anything amazing.

[hawaiiansteeler]

These last 2 losses truly broke a lot of fans and a lot of Tomlin defenders (that would be me). He really needs to do something amazing to win me back. A playoff appearance with a win this year would be the only thing that could win me over. I'll even take a close loss if we play solid ball and lose.

I watched a lot of football this Sunday, well.. I watched Red Zone mostly but it's wild how many times I seen guys WIDE OPEN on a blown coverage. No one EVER slips and falls when they play us, WE always slip and fall. That seems odd given how bad our field is at times but it shows that the defense knows what we are going so there are no cuts that surprise a defender, no misdirection that has a defender going right while a WR or TE cuts left and runs for daylight.

There was a game that was 3-0 and I bet it had more highlights than we do. We are just boring and predictable on offense and no one seems to make a play or does anything amazing.

welcome to the board feltdizz, I feel the same exact way.

nice to see you posting here :drink:

[Mojouw]

You overanalyze everything until it means nothing. Everything means something. Nothing means everything. When it's time to make a change, you make it. It's called leadership. Maybe Rooney has it, but I don't see it yet. I'm proud that we only have three coaches since 1969. But is the team never allowed to move on from a head coach in order to uphold that tradition? How many years since a playoff win? How many years since it's been that long? Those are pretty important stats. Im not sure what a Chiefs player lining up offsides has to do with any of this, but in your world, you'll connect the dots.

Knee jerk reactions based on totally unrealistic expectations is not leadership.

If it was, Tepper would be a fantastic owner instead of franchise wrecking machine.

Chiefs screwing up and losing the game is pretty applicable since we read after every Steelers lose how no other teams have this or that problem. Other coaches don’t stand for this stuff. And a bunch of nonsense that doesn’t align with the harsh reality of the NFL every week.

Hiring and keeping Canada was all on Tomlin. He screwed that up and broke an entire side of the team as a result.

Nothing short of an offseason to reset and restore confidence will fix the offense.

Is it enough to bring down Tomlin? It certainly could be. There’s plenty of precedent.

But to whine that procedure penalties are somehow something is just silly. Most of the league is hit with maddening penalties from mind numbing mistakes by players each week.

[DesertSteel]

You won’t find me whining about penalties but to compare Tepper and this situation is comical.

[SteeleReign]

Knee jerk reactions based on totally unrealistic expectations is not leadership.

If it was, Tepper would be a fantastic owner instead of franchise wrecking machine.

Chiefs screwing up and losing the game is pretty applicable since we read after every Steelers lose how no other teams have this or that problem. Other coaches don’t stand for this stuff. And a bunch of nonsense that doesn’t align with the harsh reality of the NFL every week.

Hiring and keeping Canada was all on Tomlin. He screwed that up and broke an entire side of the team as a result.

Nothing short of an offseason to reset and restore confidence will fix the offense.

Is it enough to bring down Tomlin? It certainly could be. There’s plenty of precedent.

But to whine that procedure penalties are somehow something is just silly. Most of the league is hit with maddening penalties from mind numbing mistakes by players each week.I get your point, but the issue isn't mundane procedure penalties. It's the totality of the situation. Nobody would bat an eyelash at penalties if they weren't a symptom of a larger problem.

A nose bleed is no big deal. But, a nosebleed combined with consistent headaches, loss of weight, blurred vision and diarrhea is a major cause for concern.

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[Mojouw]

You won’t find me whining about penalties but to compare Tepper and this situation is comical.

Ok. You're not. But others are. And if it was unfair or poor form of me to lump everyone together, then I apologize.

This entire stew pot of thread is just a mess of conflicting and mutually exclusive complaints.

My entire point is that when you want to assess something or measure something you have to agree on what you're units of measurement are going to be, what you are measuring with, and what your goal is.

For some it is playoff wins, but no one says how many is enough or how often is acceptable, just more wins.
For some it is style of player and even winning isn't enough because they did it the wrong way.
For some it is seemingly about player attitudes and mental states.
For some it is a combination of these things that appears to float around based on mood.

For me, Tomlin screwed up the post Ben offensive transition. He hired the wrong coordinator and got sold a bill of goods on what that coordinator was capable of. He also signed off on the wrong OL coach. He also greenlight the wrong QB in my estimation. But even if KP is the right QB the entire approach to his development post-draft was 100% wrong in every single way.

The rest of the stuff? That is just details from the gravity of collapse of the entire offensive system due to having the wrong OC and QBs.

[DesertSteel]

Ok. You're not. But others are. And if it was unfair or poor form of me to lump everyone together, then I apologize.

This entire stew pot of thread is just a mess of conflicting and mutually exclusive complaints.

My entire point is that when you want to assess something or measure something you have to agree on what you're units of measurement are going to be, what you are measuring with, and what your goal is.

For some it is playoff wins, but no one says how many is enough or how often is acceptable, just more wins.
For some it is style of player and even winning isn't enough because they did it the wrong way.
For some it is seemingly about player attitudes and mental states.
For some it is a combination of these things that appears to float around based on mood.

For me, Tomlin screwed up the post Ben offensive transition. He hired the wrong coordinator and got sold a bill of goods on what that coordinator was capable of. He also signed off on the wrong OL coach. He also greenlight the wrong QB in my estimation. But even if KP is the right QB the entire approach to his development post-draft was 100% wrong in every single way.

The rest of the stuff? That is just details from the gravity of collapse of the entire offensive system due to having the wrong OC and QBs.

It seems that Tomlin has lost what he does best: galvanize the team and get them to rally. Of course he has four games left to prove he can still do that. What I mean is do that with this team and organization. I don't think he's ever been a great X and O's coach, but he's a good leader (and still one of my favorite people in the world). More than anything, I think the team needs a change in style. I'd like to see an offensive minded X and O's guy come in. Tomlin will never be that. My issue with Tomlin isn't penalties, discipline, clock management, etc. It's philosophy. What he lacks in, he also seems unwilling to surround himself with people who have those strengths. That, to me, is his greatest leadership flaw. I'd give him the last year on his contract to fix that and if he couldn't, I'd move on.

[Mojouw]

It seems that Tomlin has lost what he does best: galvanize the team and get them to rally. Of course he has four games left to prove he can still do that. What I mean is do that with this team and organization. I don't think he's ever been a great X and O's coach, but he's a good leader (and still one of my favorite people in the world). More than anything, I think the team needs a change in style. I'd like to see an offensive minded X and O's guy come in. Tomlin will never be that. My issue with Tomlin isn't penalties, discipline, clock management, etc. It's philosophy. What he lacks in, he also seems unwilling to surround himself with people who have those strengths. That, to me, is his greatest leadership flaw. I'd give him the last year on his contract to fix that and if he couldn't, I'd move on.

I can see that.

I disagree. I think few other coaches would have won even half the games Tomlin has over the last two years with this offense. And I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE that it was a self-inflicted wound as far as we know. Unless ownership "meddled" more than we are aware....Tomlin did it to himself. Despite the fact that he tied the anchor to his own waist, it was still impressive to watch him tread water with it trying to drag him under.

I think that he needs a Haley or Arians level OC. The kinda guy who can come in and just run that side of the team. Other than Faulkner....I would fire everyone else. And if Faulkner is a casualty as well...so be it.

For me, what I would like to see is a shift from the points of emphasis being you are going to win a 17-14 rock fight every week where you just out "detail" the other guy. I think that is why these (relatively) little things seem so massive right now. The team has no margin for error. And playing mistake free football for a half, let alone an entire game, or a full season is just far too much to ask/expect.

For most of Ben's career...I remember thinking...."Well if they can keep to only being down 21 at the half....they can turn it around." That is an incredible margin of error. Now....it is more like 3 points.

[DesertSteel]

I can see that.

I disagree. I think few other coaches would have won even half the games Tomlin has over the last two years with this offense. And I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE that it was a self-inflicted wound as far as we know. Unless ownership "meddled" more than we are aware....Tomlin did it to himself. Despite the fact that he tied the anchor to his own waist, it was still impressive to watch him tread water with it trying to drag him under.

I think that he needs a Haley or Arians level OC. The kinda guy who can come in and just run that side of the team. Other than Faulkner....I would fire everyone else. And if Faulkner is a casualty as well...so be it.

For me, what I would like to see is a shift from the points of emphasis being you are going to win a 17-14 rock fight every week where you just out "detail" the other guy. I think that is why these (relatively) little things seem so massive right now. The team has no margin for error. And playing mistake free football for a half, let alone an entire game, or a full season is just far too much to ask/expect.

For most of Ben's career...I remember thinking...."Well if they can keep to only being down 21 at the half....they can turn it around." That is an incredible margin of error. Now....it is more like 3 points.
It is all indeed self-inflicted and he needs to be accountable for that. I think the only substantial thing we disagree on would be if you think Tomlin should get another 2-3 years to make great improvement with a new OC. Something that resembles a real professional offense would be considered improvement. That can be reflected in one season, or not.

[Mojouw]

For the playoff victory thing....here is an interesting one:

Since the Ravens won the SB in 2012, they and Harbaugh have 2 playoff victories and 5 losses.
Since 2012, the Steelers have 3 playoff victories and 6 losses.

How soon after Tomlin is shown the door should Harbaugh be fired?

Since their last SB victory in 2013 and SB loss in 2014....the Seahawks and Carroll have 3 wins and 6 playoff losses. Should Carroll be fired?

Since a SB victory in 2008, McCarthy has gone 6-8 in the playoffs with two teams and basically HOF level QB play. That one isn't about being fired....because he was and almost was a second time....but it is about context.

Since they won the SB, McVay is 3-3 and might not make it in this year....again context.

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It is all indeed self-inflicted and he needs to be accountable for that. I think the only substantial thing we disagree on would be if you think Tomlin should get another 2-3 years to make great improvement with a new OC. Something that resembles a real professional offense would be considered improvement. That can be reflected in one season, or not.

I can get on board with that. No improvement all in 2024....fire everyone at some point.

After that....I don't have an answer for what "enough" improvement is or looks like at this point.

[Dwinsgames]

For the playoff victory thing....here is an interesting one:

Since the Ravens won the SB in 2012, they and Harbaugh have 2 playoff victories and 5 losses.
Since 2012, the Steelers have 3 playoff victories and 6 losses.

How soon after Tomlin is shown the door should Harbaugh be fired?

Since their last SB victory in 2013 and SB loss in 2014....the Seahawks and Carroll have 3 wins and 6 playoff losses. Should Carroll be fired?

Since a SB victory in 2008, McCarthy has gone 6-8 in the playoffs with two teams and basically HOF level QB play. That one isn't about being fired....because he was and almost was a second time....but it is about context.

Since they won the SB, McVay is 3-3 and might not make it in this year....again context.

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I can get on board with that. No improvement all in 2024....fire everyone at some point.

After that....I don't have an answer for what "enough" improvement is or looks like at this point.

those 3 wins were vs 2 backup QBs and Alex Smith

[Mojouw]

those 3 wins were vs 2 backup QBs and 39 year old Peyton Manning

Ok.

So the parameters are:
# of playoff wins
Frequency of playoff appearances
Quality of playoff wins

What else?

[Dwinsgames]

Ok.

So the parameters are:
# of playoff wins
Frequency of playoff appearances
Quality of playoff wins

What else?

how about winning the games you should win , dont collapse down the stretch , win a flipping playoff game more frequently than once every decade

[Mojouw]

how about winning the games you should win , dont collapse down the stretch , win a flipping playoff game more frequently than once every decade

Ok. We can add those.

How are we going to define “supposed to win”?

What constitutes a collapse? Do injuries ever explain anything or should they be discounted?

How frequently does a coach need to win playoff games? Is there other coaches doing it at that rate?

The above kinds of questions are not simply me being an ass. They’re the types of thinking organizations go through when developing parameters for assessment and evaluation.

And it almost never gets done when fans start baying for blood.

For instance we are all taking about draft picks. You posted how few of some draft classes are on the roster. That seems damning. But what does it look like across the league? I think the average career is 3-4 years. So maybe having most of a draft class already off the roster is normal? I’ve no idea. But it’s how we could determine if the Steelers are ahead, behind, or on the curve compared to their peers.

[El Kabong]

I must be confused because I remember the Steelers losing to 39 year old Peyton Manning in a playoff game, not beating him. I remember wins vs. the Aj McCarron-led Bengals, the Matt Moore-led Dolphins, and the Alex Smith-led Chiefs before getting destroyed by the Patriots.

[Mach1]

The new standard.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LSyfa0eCst0

[vader29]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL2-FT4xVCs

[86WARD]

Cowher was a pretty terrible coach too.

Steelers have had one good coach in 90 years…that’s crazy.

[DesertSteel]

Cowher was a pretty terrible coach too.

Steelers have had one good coach in 90 years…that’s crazy.
Aren’t you the one who started the ‘Fire Noll’ thread too?

[fansince'76]

I must be confused because I remember the Steelers losing to 39 year old Peyton Manning in a playoff game, not beating him.

I remember the Steelers very much on the verge of icing that game until a 4th string RB who was forced to play due to injury fumbled the ball away.

And therein lies the biggest problem with the "Killer B" era - one or more of them were usually MIA when the postseason rolled around due to various injuries.

Furthermore, if we're going to drag "strength of opposing QB" into this, the Patriots "dynasty" all of a sudden looks a whole hell of a lot less impressive.

[Dwinsgames]

I must be confused because I remember the Steelers losing to 39 year old Peyton Manning in a playoff game, not beating him. I remember wins vs. the Aj McCarron-led Bengals, the Matt Moore-led Dolphins, and the Alex Smith-led Chiefs before getting destroyed by the Patriots.



you are correct ...

[feltdizz]

For the playoff victory thing....here is an interesting one:

Since the Ravens won the SB in 2012, they and Harbaugh have 2 playoff victories and 5 losses.
Since 2012, the Steelers have 3 playoff victories and 6 losses.

How soon after Tomlin is shown the door should Harbaugh be fired?

Since their last SB victory in 2013 and SB loss in 2014....the Seahawks and Carroll have 3 wins and 6 playoff losses. Should Carroll be fired?

Since a SB victory in 2008, McCarthy has gone 6-8 in the playoffs with two teams and basically HOF level QB play. That one isn't about being fired....because he was and almost was a second time....but it is about context.

Since they won the SB, McVay is 3-3 and might not make it in this year....again context.

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I can get on board with that. No improvement all in 2024....fire everyone at some point.

After that....I don't have an answer for what "enough" improvement is or looks like at this point.

I think every one of these coaches have fans who are tired of them. I'm sure Raven fans hate seeing them lose to us regardless of how much better they seem to play for 59 minutes. I'm sure Raven fans are tired of making the playoffs and losing in dramatic fashion lately regardless of how well they play for 59 minutes. It's that 60th minute that seems to do them in. But at least they have hope and a young dynamic QB and good defense. They have hopes of a SB run right now. It could all fall apart given their schedule but they are 10-3 and in first place in the AFC.

I'm sure Seahawk fans were ready for Pete to hit the road when Russ stopped cooking and the defense fell off a cliff. At least they found a QB who can look good at times. However, I would not be surprised if fans and FO are thinking about moving on if they miss the playoffs. I still see the Seahawks playing watchable football.

Now the crazy part is Tomlin is still in the playoff hunt with a TERRIBLE offense. The problem is once again we had a chance to make some noise and lost to the worst teams in the league and it wasn't even close. Other teams play rookie backups and look like varsity. Why does our #2 pick overall who "won a playoff game" look like hot shit who never played the game before?


The problem with a Tomlin team is the offense sucks. I mean, it's not an enjoyable watch at all. At least Kenny playing gave me some excitement he could turn into a franchise guy one game at a time but watching Mitch? Hell, play Mason, at least that would give us some false hope.

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Aren’t you the one who started the ‘Fire Noll’ thread too?

All coaches have a shelf life IMO. Anything after 10 years and I think fans have a right to be concerned that the message is growing stale. It's up to those teams performances to prove us wrong.

[Mojouw]

I think every one of these coaches have fans who are tired of them. I'm sure Raven fans hate seeing them lose to us regardless of how much better they seem to play for 59 minutes. I'm sure Raven fans are tired of making the playoffs and losing in dramatic fashion lately regardless of how well they play for 59 minutes. It's that 60th minute that seems to do them in. But at least they have hope and a young dynamic QB and good defense. They have hopes of a SB run right now. It could all fall apart given their schedule but they are 10-3 and in first place in the AFC.

I'm sure Seahawk fans were ready for Pete to hit the road when Russ stopped cooking and the defense fell off a cliff. At least they found a QB who can look good at times. However, I would not be surprised if fans and FO are thinking about moving on if they miss the playoffs. I still see the Seahawks playing watchable football.

Now the crazy part is Tomlin is still in the playoff hunt with a TERRIBLE offense. The problem is once again we had a chance to make some noise and lost to the worst teams in the league and it wasn't even close. Other teams play rookie backups and look like varsity. Why does our #2 pick overall who "won a playoff game" look like hot shit who never played the game before?


The problem with a Tomlin team is the offense sucks. I mean, it's not an enjoyable watch at all. At least Kenny playing gave me some excitement he could turn into a franchise guy one game at a time but watching Mitch? Hell, play Mason, at least that would give us some false hope.

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All coaches have a shelf life IMO. Anything after 10 years and I think fans have a right to be concerned that the message is growing stale. It's up to those teams performances to prove us wrong.

I am sure all teams have portions of their fan base that want the current coach fired at any given point. It does not make their fans rationale, correct, or realistic. It just makes them fanatics....which we all are.

I do not find Trubisky's play either unexpected or out of line with his performance in Chicago. The amount of game altering plays his defense and special teams made to drag him top wins was almost totally unbelievable. Rex Grossman won with a similar formula in Chicago and no one would expect him to come to another team and win much of anything. Trubisky keeps getting chances because he got drafted high. Pretty old and stupid NFL story....but he was drafted high....he must be good! Not if the drafting team just screwed it up.

You are totally right that the offense is awful. And that is Tomlin's mess to clean up or get dragged under for. I do not believe there was ever a way to clean it up this season. And, not surprisingly, the available options do not appear up to the task. It will take a total reset on that side of the ball in the off-season to even have a chance to salvage anything from this mess. But it is possible it has already ruined a few careers. Perhaps even Tomlin's own.

For the players themselves, it reveals a painful truth we have to face as fans. We are deeply passionate about the Pittsburgh Steelers winning games and making deep playoff runs. Most players are not able to match that level of passion. They want to win to fuel their thirst for competition and to further their own careers. Winning is great because it means their is both team and individual success. That means you get to play longer and for more money in the NFL

I suspect that the lack of individual success and being trapped in a hopeless offense is why Pickens is acting out so visibly. Pickens is eligible for a new contract after next year I think. He isn't going to get one with the stat lines this offense provides a framework for him to put up. When he hits the FA market in 2026, he may have a significantly lower earning potential/value because of the poor offenses he spent most of his career in. Contrast that with....say....Justin Jefferson....who might become the highest paid non Qb in the league in short order. Or the contract that DK Metcalf was able to sign after his first few years in the league. I think that both players are reasonable comps for Pickens talent level. Pickens won't be able to come close to the $$$ they made in the NFL because of the Steelers offensive shortcomings.

Long story short....this whole thing is starting to screw around with guys careers. NFL careers are short enough already. You don't need to be mired in a bad situation to boot. If I was a Steelers offensive player, I would be acting out too.

[Mach1]

I am sure all teams have portions of their fan base that want the current coach fired at any given point. It does not make their fans rationale, correct, or realistic. It just makes them fanatics....which we all are.

I do not find Trubisky's play either unexpected or out of line with his performance in Chicago. The amount of game altering plays his defense and special teams made to drag him top wins was almost totally unbelievable. Rex Grossman won with a similar formula in Chicago and no one would expect him to come to another team and win much of anything. Trubisky keeps getting chances because he got drafted high. Pretty old and stupid NFL story....but he was drafted high....he must be good! Not if the drafting team just screwed it up.

You are totally right that the offense is awful. And that is Tomlin's mess to clean up or get dragged under for. I do not believe there was ever a way to clean it up this season. And, not surprisingly, the available options do not appear up to the task. It will take a total reset on that side of the ball in the off-season to even have a chance to salvage anything from this mess. But it is possible it has already ruined a few careers. Perhaps even Tomlin's own.

For the players themselves, it reveals a painful truth we have to face as fans. We are deeply passionate about the Pittsburgh Steelers winning games and making deep playoff runs. Most players are not able to match that level of passion. They want to win to fuel their thirst for competition and to further their own careers. Winning is great because it means their is both team and individual success. That means you get to play longer and for more money in the NFL

I suspect that the lack of individual success and being trapped in a hopeless offense is why Pickens is acting out so visibly. Pickens is eligible for a new contract after next year I think. He isn't going to get one with the stat lines this offense provides a framework for him to put up. When he hits the FA market in 2026, he may have a significantly lower earning potential/value because of the poor offenses he spent most of his career in. Contrast that with....say....Justin Jefferson....who might become the highest paid non Qb in the league in short order. Or the contract that DK Metcalf was able to sign after his first few years in the league. I think that both players are reasonable comps for Pickens talent level. Pickens won't be able to come close to the $$$ they made in the NFL because of the Steelers offensive shortcomings.

Long story short....this whole thing is starting to screw around with guys careers. NFL careers are short enough already. You don't need to be mired in a bad situation to boot. If I was a Steelers offensive player, I would be acting out too.

Ask yourself this. If the poor coaching continues, who in their right mind would want to be a Steeler? Remember when nobody wanted to go to Cleveland, that's where things are headed if drastic changes aren't made.

[Mojouw]

Ask yourself this. If the poor coaching continues, who in their right mind would want to be a Steeler? Remember when nobody wanted to go to Cleveland, that's where things are headed if drastic changes aren't made.

I think that they might need more than one "bad" year to get on that track. And...that is what the money is for.

As it stands now....multiple recent signings have indicated that they came to Pittsburgh and Tomlin specifically.

Honestly, you guys are like a year or two too early in all your dire predictions. Look around the league. The Steelers are right in line with almost every team that lacks a bad-ass QB.

They are a decent OC away from not really having much to complain about...although I am sure we can find a way.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Ben Roethlisberger says Steelers’ clock management issues are result of 'bad coaching'

https://triblive.com/sports/first-call-ben-roethlisberger-says-steelers-clock-management-issues-are-result-of-bad-coaching-quells-talk-of-comeback/

[SteeleReign]

I think that they might need more than one "bad" year to get on that track. And...that is what the money is for.

As it stands now....multiple recent signings have indicated that they came to Pittsburgh and Tomlin specifically.

Honestly, you guys are like a year or two too early in all your dire predictions. Look around the league. The Steelers are right in line with almost every team that lacks a bad-ass QB.

They are a decent OC away from not really having much to complain about...although I am sure we can find a way.Haven't they had more than one bad year? Isn't this year #3 or 4?

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[Mojouw]

Haven't they had more than one bad year? Isn't this year #3 or 4?

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Based on what criteria? How do you define bad?

For me, I do not see any "bad" seasons. They have finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd in the division last 3 seasons. Could end up anywhere between 1st and 4th this year. This is not a terrible football team. It is just a football team that hired a crappy OC. Fix that, and you are off and running.

But reasonable people may differ and see every season since like 2016 or so as a failure.

But no one ever says what they mean by "bad".

[SteeleReign]

Based on what criteria? How do you define bad?

For me, I do not see any "bad" seasons. They have finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd in the division last 3 seasons. Could end up anywhere between 1st and 4th this year. This is not a terrible football team. It is just a football team that hired a crappy OC. Fix that, and you are off and running.

But reasonable people may differ and see every season since like 2016 or so as a failure.

But no one ever says what they mean by "bad".My fault. I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to the offense specifically.

I think it's pretty clear that defensive FAs see Pittsburgh as a top option, and Tomlin likely has a lot to do with that.

Offensive FAs might be more hesitant considering the ineptitude of this offense the last few years.

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[Mojouw]

My fault. I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to the offense specifically.

I think it's pretty clear that defensive FAs see Pittsburgh as a top option, and Tomlin likely has a lot to do with that.

Offensive FAs might be more hesitant considering the ineptitude of this offense the last few years.

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Ok. Got it. That makes sense.

I think an exciting OC or even a change at QB could change that really quickly.

For some reason....they have been able to convince OL to come and sign. But skill positions.....likely not as much!

[SteeleReign]

Ok. Got it. That makes sense.

I think an exciting OC or even a change at QB could change that really quickly.

For some reason....they have been able to convince OL to come and sign. But skill positions.....likely not as much!True. The hook for OL free agents was probably baited with the promise that their addition will fix what ails the offense.

We were told for a couple years that it wasn't Canada that was the problem, it was the o-line.

Now it's appears that, though the o-line is still a work in progress, there are bigger issues afoot.

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[Hawkman]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

[Mach1]

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[Pastrami]

If he doesn't go he needs to get his nose out of the offense.

[pczach]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.



I'm not sure if something happened that I missed here. I hope you reconsider.

You will certainly be missed.

[hawaiiansteeler]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

I hope not.

you're definitely one of the good guys. Chest Bump :drink:

[Mojouw]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

Sorry to hear that.

Honestly, my apologies to you and anyone else who I have caused not to enjoy coming here as much as they used to. I know I am not for everyone and not always posting with the best attitude.

No matter what, you will be missed.

[pczach]

I hope not.

you're definitely one of the good guys. Chest Bump :drink:



Exactly!

[feltdizz]

I am sure all teams have portions of their fan base that want the current coach fired at any given point. It does not make their fans rationale, correct, or realistic. It just makes them fanatics....which we all are.

I do not find Trubisky's play either unexpected or out of line with his performance in Chicago. The amount of game altering plays his defense and special teams made to drag him top wins was almost totally unbelievable. Rex Grossman won with a similar formula in Chicago and no one would expect him to come to another team and win much of anything. Trubisky keeps getting chances because he got drafted high. Pretty old and stupid NFL story....but he was drafted high....he must be good! Not if the drafting team just screwed it up.

You are totally right that the offense is awful. And that is Tomlin's mess to clean up or get dragged under for. I do not believe there was ever a way to clean it up this season. And, not surprisingly, the available options do not appear up to the task. It will take a total reset on that side of the ball in the off-season to even have a chance to salvage anything from this mess. But it is possible it has already ruined a few careers. Perhaps even Tomlin's own.

For the players themselves, it reveals a painful truth we have to face as fans. We are deeply passionate about the Pittsburgh Steelers winning games and making deep playoff runs. Most players are not able to match that level of passion. They want to win to fuel their thirst for competition and to further their own careers. Winning is great because it means their is both team and individual success. That means you get to play longer and for more money in the NFL

I suspect that the lack of individual success and being trapped in a hopeless offense is why Pickens is acting out so visibly. Pickens is eligible for a new contract after next year I think. He isn't going to get one with the stat lines this offense provides a framework for him to put up. When he hits the FA market in 2026, he may have a significantly lower earning potential/value because of the poor offenses he spent most of his career in. Contrast that with....say....Justin Jefferson....who might become the highest paid non Qb in the league in short order. Or the contract that DK Metcalf was able to sign after his first few years in the league. I think that both players are reasonable comps for Pickens talent level. Pickens won't be able to come close to the $$$ they made in the NFL because of the Steelers offensive shortcomings.

Long story short....this whole thing is starting to screw around with guys careers. NFL careers are short enough already. You don't need to be mired in a bad situation to boot. If I was a Steelers offensive player, I would be acting out too.

agree on all of this. For the life of me I can't understand how we continue to force the ball to DJ at the most critical times. I honestly believe we are intentionally suppressing Pickens stats to keep him from a big money contract or we are just too dumb to draw up plays to get him the football.

It could be both.

I also believe the FO and coaching staff really like DJ and are trying their best to get him the football in hopes he breaks out of his slump.

[Dwinsgames]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

DUDE ... don't ............if you must take a break then take a little break but do NOT leave its been 20 + years ....

[86WARD]

Aren’t you the one who started the ‘Fire Noll’ thread too?

Maybe my father…86GARRITY

[86WARD]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

Sorry to hear that. Hope you reconsider. Enjoy your posts and chats.

[El Kabong]

Sorry to hear that.

Honestly, my apologies to you and anyone else who I have caused not to enjoy coming here as much as they used to. I know I am not for everyone and not always posting with the best attitude.

No matter what, you will be missed.
I'm going to suggest that you aren't the problem. Not that I'm suggesting anyone else is.

[Dwinsgames]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

Don't be a lemonhead about this and get back here bro ....................

[pczach]

Sorry to hear that.

Honestly, my apologies to you and anyone else who I have caused not to enjoy coming here as much as they used to. I know I am not for everyone and not always posting with the best attitude.

No matter what, you will be missed.



I don't mean to speak for him, but if I had to make an educated guess:

I don't think you have anything to do with it.

In fact, I would think Hawkman is probably more in line with you about most recent issues. He's always been a fan that supports the organization and Mike Tomlin.

I think he probably believes there is too much negativity about the team. That would be my guess.

[DesertSteel]

I don't mean to speak for him, but if I had to make an educated guess:

I don't think you have anything to do with it.

In fact, I would think Hawkman is probably more in line with you about most recent issues. He's always been a fan that supports the organization and Mike Tomlin.

I think he probably believes there is too much negativity about the team. That would be my guess.
Probably, but it's no worse than ever. And honestly, out of the 5-7 or so fan boards that I am or have been part of, this one is the mildest. College team boards are the worst. Those people are crazy!!

[tube517]

This will probably be my last post ! Been with a number of you for 20+ years. But, it seems to be ……not fun anymore. I have an amount of money “earmarked “ for this site …..so Adms” let me know.

I hope you reconsider but I completely understand. I stayed away from the forum after the most recent loss. This thread gets resuscitated after losses but is silent after wins especially by the usual characters who come out just to criticize but won't come out when there is a win.

[Mojouw]

I'm going to suggest that you aren't the problem. Not that I'm suggesting anyone else is.


I don't mean to speak for him, but if I had to make an educated guess:

I don't think you have anything to do with it.

In fact, I would think Hawkman is probably more in line with you about most recent issues. He's always been a fan that supports the organization and Mike Tomlin.

I think he probably believes there is too much negativity about the team. That would be my guess.

I will take the positive feedback.

I think it is far too negative the past two years as well. But I contribute to that as well based on my own biases and entrenched ideas.

Plus, I like to argue on the internet. And I use 100 words when 5 would work....can get tiresome.


And one day, Tomlin will "retire" either by choice or by a quiet but strong word from the owner's office. 2023-2024 is not going to be that window.

Take a look around the league....what team is meeting expectations? Niners and Cowboys and then....no one? this is just how the NFL is now.

[steelreserve]

Well, on a different note - for the "Who else are we going to get? What NFL head coach has a better track record than Tomlin? Bill Belichick and who else - and it's not like you can just go out and sign Bill Belichick" crowd:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/patriots-have-reportedly-already-decided-to-move-on-from-coach-bill-belichick-in-2024-045855224.html

[dislocatedday]

Probably, but it's no worse than ever. And honestly, out of the 5-7 or so fan boards that I am or have been part of, this one is the mildest. College team boards are the worst. Those people are crazy!!

This is the only sports related board for I actively post and participate, for the reason that for the most part things are mild and it is not a bunch of incessant, irrational, rants and complaints........at least compared to most boards I have read.

There is always going to be some of that, and I am sure I have even made some dumb, irrational posts.

In regards to Tomlin, I have sometimes wondered if he should maybe be replaced, but when I actively think about everything he has been very successful overall even without the playoff wins the last several years.

I just really hope he brings in an outside OC this off-season and other new position coaches (oline mainly) and improves that unit. My gut tells me they will give KP one more year to prove himself at QB, but if they have already determined he is not capable of being the long-term solution then they should begin looking for the next QB also IMO.

[pczach]

Probably, but it's no worse than ever. And honestly, out of the 5-7 or so fan boards that I am or have been part of, this one is the mildest. College team boards are the worst. Those people are crazy!!


You are absolutely correct, but if this is his home and all he knows then it feels like it's a bitchfest.

Other boards are soooooo bad!

[El Kabong]

I will take the positive feedback.

I think it is far too negative the past two years as well. But I contribute to that as well based on my own biases and entrenched ideas.

Plus, I like to argue on the internet. And I use 100 words when 5 would work....can get tiresome.


And one day, Tomlin will "retire" either by choice or by a quiet but strong word from the owner's office. 2023-2024 is not going to be that window.

Take a look around the league....what team is meeting expectations? Niners and Cowboys and then....no one? this is just how the NFL is now.
You are a nice and considerate poster. I can't imagine anyone leaving a message board because of you.

[tube517]

Probably, but it's no worse than ever. And honestly, out of the 5-7 or so fan boards that I am or have been part of, this one is the mildest. College team boards are the worst. Those people are crazy!!

I'm in some other Steeler boards but not as much as here. I am in two Sixers boards and they are 10x worse than here. I mean the Sixers haven't won a championship since 83 and the owners then and now just botch draft picks and make some terrible trades. Talk about "wasting" a player they say that with the current team. Been a Sixer fan(because of Dr. J who played in Virginia/ABA before the Sixers). nearly as long as the Steelers. I get the frustration currently for the Steelers but Sixer/Philly fans are worse.

I'm also in some Virginia Tech football forums and we went through a "Canada" OC named Bryan Stinespring a few years ago. He was turrible and the hatred reached the level of Canada before he was finally let go.

[Hawkman]

I don't mean to speak for him, but if I had to make an educated guess:

I don't think you have anything to do with it.

In fact, I would think Hawkman is probably more in line with you about most recent issues. He's always been a fan that supports the organization and Mike Tomlin.

I think he probably believes there is too much negativity about the team. That would be my guess.

THIS!!

[pczach]

THIS!!


I'm happy to see you here. I hope you changed your mind and decided to put up with us for a little while longer.

We need you. :grin:

[Penglose]

This is the only sports related board for I actively post and participate, for the reason that for the most part things are mild and it is not a bunch of incessant, irrational, rants and complaints........at least compared to most boards I have read.

There is always going to be some of that, and I am sure I have even made some dumb, irrational posts.

In regards to Tomlin, I have sometimes wondered if he should maybe be replaced, but when I actively think about everything he has been very successful overall even without the playoff wins the last several years.

I just really hope he brings in an outside OC this off-season and other new position coaches (oline mainly) and improves that unit. My gut tells me they will give KP one more year to prove himself at QB, but if they have already determined he is not capable of being the long-term solution then they should begin looking for the next QB also IMO.

I've always thought that Tomllin's biggest downfall is he's terrible at picking assistant coaches. But many in charge in this world prefer coaches that are dumber than they are to not risk replacing themselves. Up to now, I defended Tomlin. Now, whether it's his choice of assistants, or his own incompetence, it's time for a change. Maybe he could stay, but wholesale changes need to be made under him. I'm not too keen on the defensive play calls either. Their defense has let them down almost as much as their offense.

In an unrelated topic, I watched the Mike Tomlin show last night, and he was asked about the deep pass on 4th and 2 that ended the last game. He said they always take risks downfield in that situation because teams are defending up to the sticks to prevent the first down. Implying they weren't afraid to do that. What the fuck? Normally when confronted with a 4 and 6, they throw the ball 4 yards and hope for the catch and carry. Substitute and yardage and take off a couple yards and that's what they normally do. How could he make such a bullshit lie up when we've watched that all year.

[dislocatedday]

I've always thought that Tomllin's biggest downfall is he's terrible at picking assistant coaches. But many in charge in this world prefer coaches that are dumber than they are to not risk replacing themselves. Up to now, I defended Tomlin. Now, whether it's his choice of assistants, or his own incompetence, it's time for a change. Maybe he could stay, but wholesale changes need to be made under him. I'm not too keen on the defensive play calls either. Their defense has let them down almost as much as their offense.

In an unrelated topic, I watched the Mike Tomlin show last night, and he was asked about the deep pass on 4th and 2 that ended the last game. He said they always take risks downfield in that situation because teams are defending up to the sticks to prevent the first down. Implying they weren't afraid to do that. What the fuck? Normally when confronted with a 4 and 6, they throw the ball 4 yards and hope for the catch and carry. Substitute and yardage and take off a couple yards and that's what they normally do. How could he make such a bullshit lie up when we've watched that all year.

I tend to believe that Tomlin is just shielding his QB and offensive play-caller from receiving criticism on that play, and taking all the heat upon himself for that debacle of a 4th and 2 play. He is giving that answer to the media to protect them, which is what a leader should do in this case. In reality, I would bet that behind the scenes Tomlin did not like that call or decision either, and that Mitch or Mike Sullivan used bad judgement there to attempt that throw in that situation.

I would have been OK with that call on 3rd and 2...........but not 4th and 2 when the game is over if you do not convert.

[Mojouw]

Here’s the thing. Public Tomlin is gonna be sunshine and rainbows. As long as closed door Tomlin is different it’s fine.

[DesertSteel]

Here’s the thing. Public Tomlin is gonna be sunshine and rainbows. As long as closed door Tomlin is different it’s fine.
You ever see Tomlin talk to a player the way Sean Payton lit into Russell Wilson tonight? I haven’t. And I highly doubt he’s doing it in private either.

[Rotorhead]

It is pretty obvious he has lost the locker room and team. The players knew Canada was hot garbage before this season and Tomlin kept him on. They watch as the offense put up abysmal numbers and were constantly bailed out by the defense. They watched when the offense just got worse every game and the injuries piled up on defense. They watched as nothing changed until it was too late, listening to empty platitudes and promises, and nothing changed until it was too late. Now they know they were 7-4 and one game out of a division win and were too late to salvage a season because of bad coaching and choices. Nobody in that locker trusts that Tomlin can do anything except talk a big game about “unleashing hell” and “the standard is the standard” and “big changes” when nothing actually happens. The sooner he is gone the better.

[86WARD]

You ever see Tomlin talk to a player the way Sean Payton lit into Russell Wilson tonight? I haven’t. And I highly doubt he’s doing it in private either.

Yes. He did it last year to the whole offense on the sideline. You also see him take players aside and talk to them. You don't have to yell at someone emotionally to get a point across. I don't recall Bill Walsh ever doing it...

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It is pretty obvious he has lost the locker room and team. The players knew Canada was hot garbage before this season and Tomlin kept him on. They watch as the offense put up abysmal numbers and were constantly bailed out by the defense. They watched when the offense just got worse every game and the injuries piled up on defense. They watched as nothing changed until it was too late, listening to empty platitudes and promises, and nothing changed until it was too late. Now they know they were 7-4 and one game out of a division win and were too late to salvage a season because of bad coaching and choices. Nobody in that locker trusts that Tomlin can do anything except talk a big game about “unleashing hell” and “the standard is the standard” and “big changes” when nothing actually happens. The sooner he is gone the better.

He lost it when Canada was here in 2022. SHouldve been gone before that. It was obvious that he wasn't an NFL caliber coach the day he was hired.

[Crow-Magnon]

I’m going to say that I have been surprised by the state of the Steelers this season. Yeah, we all have our up and down years. It happens. But I have never seen Steelers players (Pickens is a prime example) that simply look like they are taking up space on the field. Once? Ok, maybe you get a pass. But I am flabbergasted that Tomlin has not addressed this on the field. Yeah, it needs to be addressed in the locker room and behind closed doors as well, but a HC needs to make 110% damned sure that lackadaisical play and simply standing there doing jack shit is not tolerated. But he seems to tolerate it.

Why is the question. Whether one believes Tomlin is a great, good, average or poor HC isn’t relative. Many HC’s who aren’t that good would not tolerate that behavior. To me, it looks like Tomlin is just tired of this fight. I think both he and the Steelers need a change. I don’t see that coming from the owners’ side of things, and I highly doubt Tomlin would walk away on his own.All I know is that I cannot recall ever watching such lethargy on a Steelers team in my life. And I’ve watched them since the 70s.

[86WARD]

Sometimes coaches need a change. Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren, Bill Parcells, Marty Shottenheimer...they all went on to other organizations after having long-term success and were again successful. Doesn't make any of them bad coaches. Tomlin is a Hall of Fame Coach and he could continue that in Pittsburgh or he could go elsewhere or he could go into TV...no matter where he goes, he will be in the HOF when the time comes.

If he stays in coaching and in Pittsburgh, he's got one year to hire a coaching staff and right the ship or maybe it's time for him to move on. Matt Canada hire will go down in history as Tomlin's worst move as a head coach. It crippled the organization for 4 years. If he Rooney's can't see that as well, the problem runs much deeper than Tomlin and is much more concerning then just an exhausted head coach.

[lipps83]

Sometimes coaches need a change. Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren, Bill Parcells, Marty Shottenheimer...they all went on to other organizations after having long-term success and were again successful. Doesn't make any of them bad coaches. Tomlin is a Hall of Fame Coach and he could continue that in Pittsburgh or he could go elsewhere or he could go into TV...no matter where he goes, he will be in the HOF when the time comes.

If he stays in coaching and in Pittsburgh, he's got one year to hire a coaching staff and right the ship or maybe it's time for him to move on. Matt Canada hire will go down in history as Tomlin's worst move as a head coach. It crippled the organization for 4 years. If he Rooney's can't see that as well, the problem runs much deeper than Tomlin and is much more concerning then just an exhausted head coach.

I think this is more along the lines of reality and what may eventually take place. The last two years of Ben were squandered by Canada and now the post-Ben era has been set back another 2 years because Canada was still here running his offense. This team really doesn't know what they have in Pickett after 2 years due to the offensive system that was put into place, so Pickett will get another year or two to prove himself as well. If he doesn't, then the organization will seek out a new QB.

I also think Tomlin will be given another year, maybe two, to get things back on track. If he doesn't, then the organization will seek out a new HC.

The Steelers are not a "win-or-else" organization, and hopefully they never become one.

That is one of the things that makes them the one of most successful franchises in the league.

[Pastrami]

Tomlin won't/ can't be fired. The 2 options are:

1.) He gracefully retires in the next season or 2.

2.) We have him the next 10-15 years and become the stains 2.0.

[SteeleReign]

Tomlin won't/ can't be fired. The 2 options are:

1.) He gracefully retires in the next season or 2.

2.) We have him the next 10-15 years and become the stains 2.0.Or, better yet, we trade him to the Commanders.

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[Rotorhead]

Tomlin won't/ can't be fired. The 2 options are:

1.) He gracefully retires in the next season or 2.

2.) We have him the next 10-15 years and become the stains 2.0.

Doesn’t he have 1 more year on his contract? Best case, to me, would be to let him walk at the end of the season and get an entire new coaching staff. Second best option is get a good OC that will move into the HC slot after a year of fixing the offense. Worst option would be to keep Tomlin past his contract.

[Mach1]

When the coach says he doesn’t know what the problem is nor how to fix it……
Time to find someone who can.

[feltdizz]

You ever see Tomlin talk to a player the way Sean Payton lit into Russell Wilson tonight? I haven’t. And I highly doubt he’s doing it in private either.

I don’t think that works but at least it shows the fans the coach cares, I guess.. lol.

I would just like to see Tomlin show some passion towards the refs, after a good defensive stop or a good play on offense.

[feltdizz]

I think this is more along the lines of reality and what may eventually take place. The last two years of Ben were squandered by Canada and now the post-Ben era has been set back another 2 years because Canada was still here running his offense. This team really doesn't know what they have in Pickett after 2 years due to the offensive system that was put into place, so Pickett will get another year or two to prove himself as well. If he doesn't, then the organization will seek out a new QB.

I also think Tomlin will be given another year, maybe two, to get things back on track. If he doesn't, then the organization will seek out a new HC.

The Steelers are not a "win-or-else" organization, and hopefully they never become one.

That is one of the things that makes them the one of most successful franchises in the league.

Ben wasn’t doing anything regardless of the OC. His game was built on being physical and extended plays after contact. I know folks don’t want to hear it but we held onto him too long. Once teams figured out Ben couldn’t move they backed off it all fell apart.

NFL is a young mans game. Maybe Aaron Rodgers comes back and shocks the world next year but more than likely he is a shell who gets injured again or has another 7 win season.

I’ve soured on Tomlin but I still think with a healthy Pickett we could’ve won the AZ game and the Pats game. Would have been ugly but I think once Mitch was the starter the team lost all faith.

[Mojouw]

Ben wasn’t doing anything regardless of the OC. His game was built on being physical and extended plays after contact. I know folks don’t want to hear it but we held onto him too long. Once teams figured out Ben couldn’t move they backed off it all fell apart.

NFL is a young mans game. Maybe Aaron Rodgers comes back and shocks the world next year but more than likely he is a shell who gets injured again or has another 7 win season.

I’ve soured on Tomlin but I still think with a healthy Pickett we could’ve won the AZ game and the Pats game. Would have been ugly but I think once Mitch was the starter the team lost all faith.

I also feel this way. I completely underestimated how D-O-N-E with Mitch the rest of the offense is. I thought that having him as a back-up was sustainable. But, in hindsight, team chemistry likely demanded he get cut this past off-season.

[Steeler-in-west]

You ever see Tomlin talk to a player the way Sean Payton lit into Russell Wilson tonight? I haven’t. And I highly doubt he’s doing it in private either.

I wanted to see Tomlin grab Mitchell by the face mask on the sideline after one of his many stupid decisions, oh well, that’s not Mike, and it’s a new sensitive era

[Mojouw]

It is interesting that if you skim through this entire 70 some page thread....how many people are just emotionally upset that Tomlin never seems as visibly angry as they are.

A ton of posts never mention football or roster decisions. They are just venting that Tomlin doesn't yell at people enough or say mean things in press conferences.

[86WARD]

It is interesting that if you skim through this entire 70 some page thread....how many people are just emotionally upset that Tomlin never seems as visibly angry as they are.

A ton of posts never mention football or roster decisions. They are just venting that Tomlin doesn't yell at people enough or say mean things in press conferences.

I mean if he showed emotion in press conferences, then he’d be a baby or a hot head with no composure. [emoji38]

[Mojouw]

I mean if he showed emotion in press conferences, then he’d be a baby or a hot head with no composure. [emoji38]

Yeah, pretty much.

There are several other reasons why Tomlin can not or may at least feel like he can not approach things that way.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-27-2022/ncqtLO.gif

[Steeler-in-west]

I mean if he showed emotion in press conferences, then he’d be a baby or a hot head with no composure. [emoji38]

sometimes a little anger in the press conference is warranted

https://youtu.be/-oSFYxDGKy8?si=jETGWQzbWXKKpjmV

https://youtu.be/SWmQbk5h86w?si=JwVkW1AsmZ-QbKbU

[DesertSteel]

I’ve determined that the worst thing that can happen is for Tomlin to finish with his first losing season. All of Steeler Nation will be portrayed as spoiled brats for wanting their head coach to be fired after his FIRST losing season. The media noise will be deafening. The reality is that Tomlin isn’t being fired either way. Better off that they finish 9-8 and start fresh with a new offensive staff. Give Pickett the chance to show he can play quarterback when given a professional OC.

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I don’t think that works but at least it shows the fans the coach cares, I guess.. lol.

I would just like to see Tomlin show some passion towards the refs, after a good defensive stop or a good play on offense.
It’s like yelling at the ref. It doesn’t work in real time but you hope to get an advantage in the near future when similar circumstances arise.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I would just like to see Tomlin show some passion towards the refs, after a good defensive stop or a good play on offense.

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[vader29]

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[DesertSteel]

I will say this, Mike Tomlin is the worst Steelers coach in over 50 years!

[tube517]

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Before 86Ward posts it :chuckle:

EDIT: Vader beat me to it. :lol:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Shannon Sharpe on Mike Tomlin:

"That's not the standard for the Steelers. The Steelers are about championships. We gotta stop rewarding, oh, he's above 500. That's not why they pay you $8-9 million to be above 500. They pay you for championships and to get the team in the playoffs, make deep playoff run. When was the last time the Steelers made a deep playoff run?"

https://twitter.com/Steelersdepot/status/1736453183634104592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1736453183634104592%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[tube517]

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/mike-tomlin-time-pittsburgh-steelers-limited

From July. I realize Dulac is the original source but whatever.

[BlackAndGold]

It's possible that it's time to move on from Tomlin, but so many fans think the next guy will just walk in here and success will start. Just no, it's much more likely the next guy will be a complete dud and we become a team, and a fan base that dreams of 9-8 seasons. Again, the team has struggled to find competent coordinator/assistant coaching. But hiring next HC? no problem.

[steelcityboyz]

It's possible that it's time to move on from Tomlin, but so many fans think the next guy will just walk in here and success will start. Sometimes i feel the fans think the same way of KP. What, 2 seasons and no superbowl??

[Mojouw]

It's possible that it's time to move on from Tomlin, but so many fans think the next guy will just walk in here and success will start. Just no, it's much more likely the next guy will be a complete dud and we become a team, and a fan base that dreams of 9-8 seasons. Again, the team has struggled to find competent coordinator/assistant coaching. But hiring next HC? no problem.

There was an interesting article somewhere or other talking about with all the vacancies each year in the NFL and teams assembling massive coaching staffs, that there just isn’t enough coaches to go around. Let alone good coaches.

I think letting Tomlin go is a massive risk. The small percentage is that it’s better. The much larger percentage is that it gets worse and they’re 2-15.

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFRK-zlitqk

[Edman]

There was an interesting article somewhere or other talking about with all the vacancies each year in the NFL and teams assembling massive coaching staffs, that there just isn’t enough coaches to go around. Let alone good coaches.

I think letting Tomlin go is a massive risk. The small percentage is that it’s better. The much larger percentage is that it gets worse and they’re 2-15.

Letting Tomlin go is a risk, but when has playing it safe worked out for the Steelers? When you look at their recent track record, it really hasn't.

They held onto Ben. He declined hard in 2021.
They started Trubisky to start 2022 and let Pickett ride the bench instead of going into the unknown future. That failed.
They kept onto Canada after 2022's strong finish. He didn't last the 2023 season.

Playing it safe put the Steelers in this unenviable spot of being nowhere near contention, but not bad enough to salvage a top draft pick. So we retain Tomlin. Does the needle move anywhere? What is our ceiling? Do we keep swapping out players and parts constantly until Tomlin is fielding this mythical Super Bowl roster with no weaknesses?

[Voice of Reason]

I think letting Tomlin go is a massive risk. The small percentage is that it’s better. The much larger percentage is that it gets worse and they’re 2-15.

The way Tomlin is coaching now, I think that it's about 75-25 that the new guy will be better.

[Mach1]

Letting Tomlin go is a risk, but when has playing it safe worked out for the Steelers? When you look at their recent track record, it really hasn't.

They held onto Ben. He declined hard in 2021.
They started Trubisky to start 2022 and let Pickett ride the bench instead of going into the unknown future. That failed.
They kept onto Canada after 2022's strong finish. He didn't last the 2023 season.

Playing it safe put the Steelers in this unenviable spot of being nowhere near contention, but not bad enough to salvage a top draft pick. So we retain Tomlin. Does the needle move anywhere? What is our ceiling? Do we keep swapping out players and parts constantly until Tomlin is fielding this mythical Super Bowl roster with no weaknesses?

They keep paying him what, 10 mil a year? To go .500 and collect that coveted participation trophy year after year.

[Steeler-in-west]

They took a risk in 1991 when the Steelers were coming off 7-9
They took a risk in 2006 when the Steelers were coming off 8-8


Those worked out ok,

Take the risk

Steelers with a talented roster probably coming off an 8-9 record, they're primed for a new coaching staff

[DesertSteel]

It would really have to be the perfect storm for the Steelers to move on from Tomlin after the season. Losing out wouldn't even put him on the hot seat. What it would take is Tomlin initiating a conversation about leaving, or an impasse regarding staff hiring. Otherwise, put all your wishes in the Santa thread.

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They took a risk in 1991 when the Steelers were coming off 7-9
They took a risk in 2006 when the Steelers were coming off 8-8


Those worked out ok,

Take the risk

Steelers with a talented roster probably coming off an 8-9 record, they're primed for a new coaching staff
Both of those guys retired and were not fired.

[Steeler-in-west]

It would really have to be the perfect storm for the Steelers to move on from Tomlin after the season. Losing out wouldn't even put him on the hot seat. What it would take is Tomlin initiating a conversation about leaving, or an impasse regarding staff hiring. Otherwise, put all your wishes in the Santa thread.

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Both of those guys retired and were not fired.

I think Noll was encouraged to retire. In this case I think it will be mutually agreed, I get the sense Tomlin’s had enough too

[Pastrami]

No risk it, no biscuit.

[hawaiiansteeler]

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[Dwinsgames]

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how long should we have to wait for this to be fixed , now stop blaming Canada as Tomlin had plenty of time to end that disaster and chose to keep him on and then defend him to the biitter end

[hawaiiansteeler]

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how long should we have to wait for this to be fixed , now stop blaming Canada as Tomlin had plenty of time to end that disaster and chose to keep him on and then defend him to the biitter end

I was always a staunch supporter of Mike Tomlin.

until last year, when he made the decision to retain Matt Canada. that's when he lost me, and I think to some degree the locker room.

[Dwinsgames]

I was always a staunch supporter of Mike Tomlin.

until last year, when he made the decision to retain Matt Canada. that's when he lost me, and I think to some degree the locker room.

I was pissed he kept him after year 1 and Ben took the blame for the offense , I thought it was BS than and still do... People said look Ben cant throw it more than 7 yards but 2 min drill would happen and he would throw it all over the yard all the sudden ...

but I thought ok maybe the mobility issue was limiting the offense so I will give him a pass for keeping him on for year 2 .... Enter Mitch with Mobility and it sucked , enter Kenny with mobility and it still sucked ....

Tomlin retained him again and I was done with Tomlin ....

this year Tomlin defended Canada at every turn right up until "he" fired him , still not convinced it was Tomlins Idea , I think Tomlin was Ordered to fire him

[Dwinsgames]

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week 15 passing leaders .... the top 3 all was/is AFCN players all backups at some point ...

yet we cant manage a starter to get that many yards passing regardless of what jersey number he wears

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[Dwinsgames]

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[tube517]

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week 15 passing leaders .... the top 3 all was/is AFCN players all backups at some point ...

yet we cant manage a starter to get that many yards passing regardless of what jersey number he wears

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#10 is WHO? LOL never heard of him.

[BlackAndGold]

Matt Canada was retained to start the year because he was under contract(there is a reason why they have never fired coaches until MC). The only reason he was fired was the fact the locker room was falling apart. Though it solved nothing, I point the finger at Rooney for not willing to pay coaches to go away for the better of the team..

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/art-rooney-explains-pittsburgh-steelers-keep-matt-canada

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[pczach]

#10 is WHO? LOL never heard of him.



#10 sounds like something I would buy my son for little league!

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkXn_R7O-QU

[El Kabong]

"Head coaches do not set the culture. I hate that Tomlin is getting thrown under the bus for this."
--Jeff Saturday

Hmmmmmmmmm.

[oneforthetoe]

I will say this, Mike Tomlin is the worst Steelers coach in over 50 years!

And he could still make the hall of fame and be the third best Steelers' QB in the last 50 years. Not that I think he is a lock but there is still a chance.

[Dwinsgames]

sounds like Tomlin has lost the locker room from what I am hearing

[Voice of Reason]

"Head coaches do not set the culture. I hate that Tomlin is getting thrown under the bus for this."
--Jeff Saturday

Bullshit. Head coaches absolutely set the culture. Chuck Noll's greatest accomplishment was that he turned a 40-year culture of expecting to lose into a 50-year culture of expecting to win. Now Tomlin may be changing it back.

[cubanstogie]

"Head coaches do not set the culture. I hate that Tomlin is getting thrown under the bus for this."
--Jeff Saturday

Hmmmmmmmmm.
Like Saturday knows anything about head coaching. His stint lasted 5 minutes and was a disaster. No one wants to blame Tomlin. He seems like “ a man’s man” and genuinely a solid human being. As HC he has to be held accountable. I mean it took him 2 1/2 games to bench MT. At very least Rudolph should’ve played second half vs The Cheats. He continued to double down . Not saying Rudolph would’ve saved the day but it was obvious Mitch wasn’t the answer. It’s now too late.

[Edman]

"Head coaches do not set the culture. I hate that Tomlin is getting thrown under the bus for this."
--Jeff Saturday

Hmmmmmmmmm.

If Head Coaches don't set the culture and is not responsible for his players, then what is Tomlin's purpose and why are the Steelers paying him, then? It may as well be spent elsewhere. Seems Terry Bradshaw was right. He is a cheerleader. Can him and get someone in here who will.

[DesertSteel]

When you are the leader, things that aren't your fault are still your responsibility.

[SteeleReign]

I get the sense that Tomlin does all he can to avoid conflict.

The issues that have plagued the team for the past few years need a direct approach. Mike's been using his natural ability as a motivational speaker to band-aid these problems, but now they've caught up to him. Look at the inconsistency with which he's handled the Chuks and Pickens situations. Chuks gets benched for talking about giving up. George gets coddled and remains a starter for ACTUALLY giving up ON THE FIELD.

Unfortunately, I think his approach has run its course and the need for a taskmaster is obvious.

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[DesertSteel]

I get the sense that Tomlin does all he can to avoid conflict.


I've been saying this for years. Tomlin relies on bravado to create an image, but I believe he completely avoids confrontation.

[feltdizz]

I get the sense that Tomlin does all he can to avoid conflict.

The issues that have plagued the team for the past few years need a direct approach. Mike's been using his natural ability as a motivational speaker to band-aid these problems, but now they've caught up to him. Look at the inconsistency with which he's handled the Chuks and Pickens situations. Chuks gets benched for talking about giving up. George gets coddled and remains a starter for ACTUALLY giving up ON THE FIELD.

Unfortunately, I think his approach has run its course and the need for a taskmaster is obvious.

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Not sure why people keep bringing up Chuks. He was awful and Jones is a much better RT than he is.

Trust me, if we traded up to draft a WR in the first round we would replace a subpar WR if he acted like Pickens or DJ.

I think Chuks was replaced for performance.

[vader29]

#10 is WHO? LOL never heard of him.

https://vafloc02.s3.amazonaws.com/isyn/images/f369/img-141369-f.jpg

[SteeleReign]

Not sure why people keep bringing up Chuks. He was awful and Jones is a much better RT than he is.

Trust me, if we traded up to draft a WR in the first round we would replace a subpar WR if he acted like Pickens or DJ.

I think Chuks was replaced for performance.

We were told he was benched for his comments. Whether that's true or not, who knows.

Therein lies the problem - Pickens and DJ should be benched anyway, regardless of who's up next. You can't pussy-foot around these issues or they destroy the morale of the team.

I'd bet my left nut these reported locker room problems are a result of Tomlin allowing known issues to fester for too long. See Matt Canada for reference.

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[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLX9ODoKUo4

[Rocky Mtn.]

We were told he was benched for his comments. Whether that's true or not, who knows.

Therein lies the problem - Pickens and DJ should be benched anyway, regardless of who's up next. You can't pussy-foot around these issues or they destroy the morale of the team.

I'd bet my left nut these reported locker room problems are a result of Tomlin allowing known issues to fester for too long. See Matt Canada for reference.

Sent from my SM-S901U using TapatalkMike Paterno?

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccytx3BhonE

[Dwinsgames]

https://www.facebook.com/thesteelmill.net/videos/3660279244213747

[86WARD]

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[El Kabong]

That was a good win for Tomlin. Historically, better Steeler teams than this have struggled in Seattle and out west and even against bad Seahawk teams. We live another week.

[DesertSteel]

We'd be 11-5 if it wasn't for starting Trubisky.

[HollywoodSteel]

That was a good win for Tomlin. Historically, better Steeler teams than this have struggled in Seattle and out west and even against bad Seahawk teams. We live another week.

…and not in our fears.

[86WARD]

We'd be 11-5 if it wasn't for starting Trubisky.

QFT!!

[hawaiiansteeler]

Travis Kelce: People who want Mike Tomlin fired are ‘jackasses’

The Chiefs tight end called out all of Mike Tomlin’s naysayers

By Jarrett Bailey Jan 3, 2024

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2024/1/3/24023852/travis-kelce-people-who-want-mike-tomlin-fired-are-jackasses-jason-kelce-new-heights-nfl

[DesertSteel]

At least when you compare Belicheat without Brady and Tomlin without Ben, Tomlin has the advantage.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Troy Polamalu: Mike Tomlin is one of the greatest coaches in NFL history

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/troy-polamalu-mike-tomlin-one-of-the-greatest-coaches-in-nfl-history-would-be-terrible-if-he-wasnt-with-steelers/

[Hawkman]

I love that Troy said “our coach”.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Ray Fittipaldo's Steelers chat transcript: 01.16.24

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

DC Steeler fan: Tomlin is going to catch a lot of flak, but the Steelers looked better than the Cowboys, Dolphins, Browns, and Eagles this weekend. Two key plays, the Pickens fumble and interception in the end zone were due to execution, not coaching. Are we really going to be better off if we replace Tomlin?

Ray Fittipaldo: So giving up 31, 36, 45, 48 and 42 points in playoff games is acceptable? Falling behind by three touchdowns in a little more than a quarter is acceptable? Please. I agree with you to a certain point, but the coaches haven't done a good enough job in those games. And Tomlin has been present for all of them. It matters.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2024/01/16/ray-fittipaldo-s-steelers-chat-01-16-24/stories/202401110181

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YuFe1l80ls

[86WARD]

Good enough for Snoop it’s good enough for me! [emoji23]

[lipps83]

Good enough for Snoop it’s good enough for me! [emoji23]

I would certainly trust Snoop Dogg to better run this franchise over Voice of Reason.

[86WARD]

I would certainly trust Snoop Dogg to better run this franchise over Voice of Reason.

Maybe…lol

[pczach]

Maybe…lol



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[Mojouw]

I would certainly trust Snoop Dogg to better run this franchise over Voice of Reason.


Maybe…lol


https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JdU5ThmLTkQRPEI/giphy.gif

Dude presides over a gazillion dollar empire....must be making some solid decisions.

As Dr. Dre said (and you can add 30 YEARS to that now....who feels old now?!)....

https://www.azquotes.com/public/picture_quotes/48/b0/48b0c09f5d3df433d451f478b676b2ef/dr-dre-674549.jpg

[hawaiiansteeler]

Art Rooney on playoff futility: "We had enough of this. It's time to take the next steps."

Also said if he didn't believe in Tomlin that Tomlin wouldn't be here and he would make a change

Jan 29, 2024

https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/weve-had-enough-of-this-art-rooney-ii-on-steelers-playoff-drought/

[Dwinsgames]

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[hawaiiansteeler]

Van Jefferson makes a good catch which was ruled incomplete but for some reason Mike Tomlin doesn't challenge the play to have the call overturned.

FIRE Tomlin!!!

[Voice of Reason]

Van Jefferson makes a good catch which was ruled incomplete but for some reason Mike Tomlin doesn't challenge the play to have the call overturned.

FIRE Tomlin!!!

If Fields had done too well, it would have made it difficult for Tomlin to justify benching him in favor of the anointed one.

[cubanstogie]

If Fields had done too well, it would have made it difficult for Tomlin to justify benching him in favor of the anointed one.
Okay so Tomlin is holding Fields back . Fields will be in the Tomlin doghouse soon as well. Did Tomlin bang your wife or daughter? You’ve got some serious issues with the man.

[86WARD]

Okay so Tomlin is holding Fields back . Fields will be in the Tomlin doghouse soon as well. Did Tomlin bang your wife or daughter? You’ve got some serious issues with the man.

Fields was signed knowing he’d be in the doghouse. It only fits Treasons narrative…

[Voice of Reason]

Okay so Tomlin is holding Fields back . Fields will be in the Tomlin doghouse soon as well. Did Tomlin bang your wife or daughter? You’ve got some serious issues with the man.

Just telling it like it is. Deal with it.

[polamalubeast]

In around 45-50 days,it will be the 10 years anniversary that this thread was created!

[tube517]

In around 45-50 days,it will be the 10 years anniversary that this thread was created!

https://media.tenor.com/El1M-mJh2n0AAAAM/tomlin-walk-away-no-answer-steelers.gif

[86WARD]

In around 45-50 days,it will be the 10 years anniversary that this thread was created!

https://media2.giphy.com/media/rjs9DLJooo3vC8VnST/giphy.gif

[DesertSteel]

Van Jefferson makes a good catch which was ruled incomplete but for some reason Mike Tomlin doesn't challenge the play to have the call overturned.

FIRE Tomlin!!!
You just had to resurrect this thread so that the Voice of Treason could get his warm fuzzies, didn't you?

[hawaiiansteeler]

You just had to resurrect this thread so that the Voice of Treason could get his warm fuzzies, didn't you?

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[86WARD]

You just had to resurrect this thread so that the Voice of Treason could get his warm fuzzies, didn't you?

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[cubanstogie]

Just telling it like it is. Deal with it.
deal with your conspiracies? I think not.
Whoever Tomlin puts out to start I’m good with. Had KP stayed and started I’d be good with. I root for who is on field because I’m not treasonous. My agenda is rooting for Steelers. Not sure what yours is. I do know our QB corps is better this year. You need to deal with that. As soon as Wilson, Fields or Allen throw for more than 6 Touchdowns it is fact not opinion. I’ll let you know when that happens. Probably week 3, 4 at latest.

[oneforthetoe]

Just think.... even after Tomlin does leave the Steelers, if he goes into broadcasting this thread can just be transferred to the general football section and can live on and on ........

[El Kabong]

Just telling it like it is. Deal with it.
Claims that Tomlin didn't throw a challenge flag in order to make Fields look bad, says that he's just telling it like it is. Uh huh.

[Voice of Reason]

In around 45-50 days,it will be the 10 years anniversary that this thread was created!

Little did you guys know that if the Steelers had listened to you ten years ago it could have saved Steeler fans a decade of mediocre and frustrating seasons.

[Voice of Reason]

I root for who is on field because I’m not treasonous. My agenda is rooting for Steelers. Not sure what yours is.

Our agendas are the same. I root for who is on the field too. I rooted for Mitch Trubisky every damn time he came on the field. Doesn't mean I didn't think he stunk each time.


I do know our QB corps is better this year. You need to deal with that. As soon as Wilson, Fields or Allen throw for more than 6 Touchdowns it is fact not opinion. I’ll let you know when that happens. Probably week 3, 4 at latest.

Our QB corps won't be proven better this year until they (a) lead us to more wins than our QB corps led us to last year, or (b) lead us to a playoff win.

[86WARD]

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[hawaiiansteeler]

This will be our first losing preseason since 2016.

FIRE Tomlin!

[Dwinsgames]

This will be our first losing preseason since 2016.

FIRE Tomlin!

maybe that means the regular season will be better ? hmmm

[hawaiiansteeler]

maybe that means the regular season will be better ? hmmm

Stephen A. thinks the Pittsburgh Steelers have LAST PLACE ‘WRITTEN ALL OVER THEM’


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7qf9UPv4xM

[Mojouw]

Wait. I thought this was an easy 12-14 win team with an OL that was going to maul and dominate all opponents?

Are we not doing that anymore? Everyone is off the bandwagon? Now we are doing the last place thing?

Cool. I'm going stick it out as they are exactly what calm, reasoned, rationale observers have long thought -- a middle of the road 9 win team with chance to catch lightening in a bottle if they catch 3 big breaks.

[86WARD]

Wait. I thought this was an easy 12-14 win team with an OL that was going to maul and dominate all opponents?

Are we not doing that anymore? Everyone is off the bandwagon? Now we are doing the last place thing?

Cool. I'm going stick it out as they are exactly what calm, reasoned, rationale observers have long thought -- a middle of the road 9 win team with chance to catch lightening in a bottle if they catch 3 big breaks.

I’m with you. I say 7-9 wins and third in the division.

[polamalubeast]

Wait. I thought this was an easy 12-14 win team with an OL that was going to maul and dominate all opponents?

Are we not doing that anymore? Everyone is off the bandwagon? Now we are doing the last place thing?

Cool. I'm going stick it out as they are exactly what calm, reasoned, rationale observers have long thought -- a middle of the road 9 win team with chance to catch lightening in a bottle if they catch 3 big breaks.

Who thought this team would win 12-14 games this year?

It's a minority and my prediction for a long time has been 9-8 and if that happens, I'm not going to be happy about it, since I'm sick and tired of being stuck in the middle....Maybe for the good of the steelers in the long run, a 5-6 win season would be better because it would wake them up and we could move on instead of continuing the streak of non losing seasons which means nothing if we're just in the 7th seed max

Of course, I prefer to have 11-12 wins and be a threat come playoff time but if that's not the case, it's no good having a 9-8 season and still being in the middle.If it happen again,they need a true rebuilding

[Mojouw]

I’m with you. I say 7-9 wins and third in the division.

If Wilson or Fields “breaks right” and the o line comes together early; I could see them competing for the division but ultimately falling short and losing in the Wildcard round.

2025 would be the year they might be ready to make a longer run.

Of course this now means they’ll be in the SB.

[polamalubeast]

If Wilson or Fields “breaks right” and the o line comes together early; I could see them competing for the division but ultimately falling short and losing in the Wildcard round.

2025 would be the year they might be ready to make a longer run.

Of course this now means they’ll be in the SB.

If one of the 2 QB is great,this is very possible they can win a playoffs game...Like at least 50% of chance depending on the opponent but of course,this is a big if for the QB

[Born2Steel]

Ultimately we are all playing for 2nd in the AFC anyway.

I think the defense will be fantastic.

I think offense will be noticeably better than last season.