FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[Mojouw]

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[Mojouw]

Was not sure if this should go here or the Hard Knocks thread....but it really isn't show specific so I will put it here.

For much of Tomlin's tenure, a decent percentage of Steelers fans and observers have really taken issue with Tomlin having different rules for different players.

I think that all the attention that the Hard Knocks show and the team's 2024 success has sent Tomlin's way; you are getting tons of interviews and insights that have actual NFL players saying that it is that different coaching that is exactly what they needed to be successful.

It has long been a point of contention amongst Steelers fans for debate. I really believe we are getting a mountain of evidence that while it is not perfect and can (and does) back-fire; Tomlin's different strokes for different folks works better than the other way.

[Craic]

I think most people wouldn't be too impressed with a coach whose offense was so bad that there were two games (so far) that they couldn't even score one TD. This is a classic case of praising a coach for overcoming problems that he himself caused. It's like praising a guy who was driving drunk for safely making it home even though he was drunk.

The problem is your post again reads like facts fitting a preconceived narrative. Remember, there are issues such as ownership interference (something Artie II has engaged in), only having part of the say in who comes or not (and Kahn and Weidl are only watching their second season as GM and Assistant), and so on. And, not to mention, each game was under a different QB, the first game was the first game with Fields and the second game was the fourth with Wilson and against division rivals who know us very well. Of course, one should also remember this team just put up 3 passing TDs and 1 rushing TD Sunday.

Does Tomlin have his problems? Absolutely. So did Cowher. So did Noll. But, at least for me, it is difficult to take someone seriously (in any subject) when all that a person says about a subject is negative without any attempt to balance it. That's what makes it seem like fitting a preconceived narrative. But, again, this is just my opinion.

[DesertSteel]

Was not sure if this should go here or the Hard Knocks thread....but it really isn't show specific so I will put it here.

For much of Tomlin's tenure, a decent percentage of Steelers fans and observers have really taken issue with Tomlin having different rules for different players.

I think that all the attention that the Hard Knocks show and the team's 2024 success has sent Tomlin's way; you are getting tons of interviews and insights that have actual NFL players saying that it is that different coaching that is exactly what they needed to be successful.

It has long been a point of contention amongst Steelers fans for debate. I really believe we are getting a mountain of evidence that while it is not perfect and can (and does) back-fire; Tomlin's different strokes for different folks works better than the other way.
Jimmy Johnson was famous for this tactic. He openly stated that everyone would not be treated the same or equally. It worked pretty well for him.

[ALLD]

James Harrison would receive preferential treatment rightfully so.

[86WARD]

Was not sure if this should go here or the Hard Knocks thread....but it really isn't show specific so I will put it here.

For much of Tomlin's tenure, a decent percentage of Steelers fans and observers have really taken issue with Tomlin having different rules for different players.

I think that all the attention that the Hard Knocks show and the team's 2024 success has sent Tomlin's way; you are getting tons of interviews and insights that have actual NFL players saying that it is that different coaching that is exactly what they needed to be successful.

It has long been a point of contention amongst Steelers fans for debate. I really believe we are getting a mountain of evidence that while it is not perfect and can (and does) back-fire; Tomlin's different strokes for different folks works better than the other way.

That’s pretty much what every successful “coach” or “manager” does. I’ve never understood that criticism either.

[Voice of Reason]

You have a lot to offer this forum, and I’d encourage you to take the high road and focus on the things that bring us together as fans rather than on topics that cause constant friction.

That's good advice, but I've taken the high road here before and it hasn't worked. Also, by telling me to avoid topics that cause friction you are joining the people who are trying to tell me which topics I can and cannot post, and thus rewarding them for their attacks.

Look at all the attacks they've made on me just on this page of the thread (page 92). I would feel a lot better about what you're saying if you would have urged ALL people on this board to take the high road and change their behavior instead of putting the responsibility for doing this only on me.

[Voice of Reason]

Does Tomlin have his problems? Absolutely. So did Cowher. So did Noll. But, at least for me, it is difficult to take someone seriously (in any subject) when all that a person says about a subject is negative without any attempt to balance it. That's what makes it seem like fitting a preconceived narrative. But, again, this is just my opinion.

But what if the negativity is justified? Should we not take 99% of the people on this board seriously because all they said about Matt Canada was negative without any attempt to balance it?

[Voice of Reason]

The block button is a good thing.

But then you still read what I'm saying by reading other people's posts commenting upon what I've said, and then you still write posts about me anyway. All the "blocking" and "ignoring" you claim to be doing to me is phony.

[cubanstogie]

That's good advice, but I've taken the high road here before and it hasn't worked. Also, by telling me to avoid topics that cause friction you are joining the people who are trying to tell me which topics I can and cannot post, and thus rewarding them for their attacks.

Look at all the attacks they've made on me just on this page of the thread (page 92). I would feel a lot better about what you're saying if you would have urged ALL people on this board to take the high road and change their behavior instead of putting the responsibility for doing this only on me.
Cry me a fucking river or three since we’re in Pittsburgh. Anyone rooting for 5 wins or less to get coach fired opposed to winning a SB with the HC you hate deserves to be attacked. It’s called treason. If I were king you’d be executed.

[cubanstogie]

That’s pretty much what every successful “coach” or “manager” does. I’ve never understood that criticism either.
Similar criticism as calling QB a game manager IMO. To me it’s not a negative, it’s QBs job. Same as HC. Communication part of his job.

[El Kabong]

Jimmy Johnson once cut a player who fell asleep during a team meeting. Johnson was asked what he would do if Troy Aikman fell asleep during a meeting. Johnson said "I would gently nudge him awake." There's always been different treatment for players depending on how important to the team they are.

[DesertSteel]

That's good advice, but I've taken the high road here before and it hasn't worked. Also, by telling me to avoid topics that cause friction you are joining the people who are trying to tell me which topics I can and cannot post, and thus rewarding them for their attacks.

Look at all the attacks they've made on me just on this page of the thread (page 92). I would feel a lot better about what you're saying if you would have urged ALL people on this board to take the high road and change their behavior instead of putting the responsibility for doing this only on me.
Limit your topics? You only have two.

[Voice of Reason]

Limit your topics? You only have two.

I will post about however many topics I choose. Whether I have two topics, or one, or thirty, it's my choice, not yours.

[Shoes]

That's good advice, but I've taken the high road here before and it hasn't worked. Also, by telling me to avoid topics that cause friction you are joining the people who are trying to tell me which topics I can and cannot post, and thus rewarding them for their attacks.

Look at all the attacks they've made on me just on this page of the thread (page 92). I would feel a lot better about what you're saying if you would have urged ALL people on this board to take the high road and change their behavior instead of putting the responsibility for doing this only on me.


Well, there isn't much more to say.

[DesertSteel]

I will post about however many topics I choose. Whether I have two topics, or one, or thirty, it's my choice, not yours.
Hahahaha!!!

[cubanstogie]

I will post about however many topics I choose. Whether I have two topics, or one, or thirty, it's my choice, not yours.
Cool. Pick a third topic I’d bet many on here would love to see you expand your horizons.

[DesertSteel]

Cool. Pick a third topic I’d bet many on here would love to see you expand your horizons.
:deadhorse:

[86WARD]

:deadhorse:

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3zBdDuseTw4DRCOMrr/giphy.gif

[Craic]

But what if the negativity is justified? Should we not take 99% of the people on this board seriously because all they said about Matt Canada was negative without any attempt to balance it?

On that topic... no, I didn't take most people seriously. Whether they end up being justified or not is not the point. A broken clock is right twice a day. Being negative about everything means you'll be right about some things. But for me, personally, the person who can assess something and see strengths and weaknesses will always have more to offer because it shows they can at least work alongside their biases. For instance, although Canada failed to adapt to an NFL level of playcalling, I can also admit that he did come up with some innovative plays that worked well. In fact, here's an article (https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2023/5/16/23722910/examining-some-of-matt-canada-most-interesting-steelers-pass-play-designs-film-room-nfl-news) on a few of them. Now, does that mean I think he was good, or even okay? nope. But if someone posted something like that, and then also said Here's all the problems I have with him, I pay a lot more attention to those people... and that's not just here. That's in politics, in my discipline of study, in my faith, and even when I'm looking at reviews before purchasing something.

The fact that you constantly berate Tomlin and turn every positive into a negative means I simply cannot accept your assessment of Tomlin regardless of what you say because you've shown such a severe bias that I can't trust your take. And then, when it comes over and over and over. It gets repetitive and boring. Again, this is just my opinion. And note, I don't mean this as an attack on you personally and I hope it isn't coming off that way. If it does, I apologize. That's not my intent (and I actually edited my previous post just after posting it the other day because I thought it could be taken that way).
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Let's take this a different way. I like Tomlin. I hope he remains our coach for a few more years at least. I know you don't like him. So, let's do a little intellectual exercise... In fact, I'd love to see several people join in. Post whether you like or dislike Tomlin, and then, if you like him, your three biggest concerns weaknesses. If you dislike him, post the three top things you think he does well or strengths.

For me, since I like him, here's the three things that I dislike most about him (in no particular order):



I think he focuses too much on athleticism over skill. It's caused him to miss on draft picks and put players on the field when they shouldn't be there.
Somewhat like the first, but focused on positions: I believe he values general utility over a specific set of skills too much. It's one reason why we seem to always have problems on the line. I'd rather we pick up lineman that can play a specific position lights out and suck at all other positions than picking up players that can be plugged and played across the line.
Game time decisions. I like his aggressiveness. But there are times, like winning the coin toss and choosing to receive in the first half (not to mention his record on challenging plays) that I shake my head.

[86WARD]

On that topic... no, I didn't take most people seriously. Whether they end up being justified or not is not the point. A broken clock is right twice a day. Being negative about everything means you'll be right about some things. But for me, personally, the person who can assess something and see strengths and weaknesses will always have more to offer because it shows they can at least work alongside their biases. For instance, although Canada failed to adapt to an NFL level of playcalling, I can also admit that he did come up with some innovative plays that worked well. In fact, here's an article (https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2023/5/16/23722910/examining-some-of-matt-canada-most-interesting-steelers-pass-play-designs-film-room-nfl-news) on a few of them. Now, does that mean I think he was good, or even okay? nope. But if someone posted something like that, and then also said Here's all the problems I have with him, I pay a lot more attention to those people... and that's not just here. That's in politics, in my discipline of study, in my faith, and even when I'm looking at reviews before purchasing something.

The fact that you constantly berate Tomlin and turn every positive into a negative means I simply cannot accept your assessment of Tomlin regardless of what you say because you've shown such a severe bias that I can't trust your take. And then, when it comes over and over and over. It gets repetitive and boring. Again, this is just my opinion. And note, I don't mean this as an attack on you personally and I hope it isn't coming off that way. If it does, I apologize. That's not my intent (and I actually edited my previous post just after posting it the other day because I thought it could be taken that way).
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Let's take this a different way. I like Tomlin. I hope he remains our coach for a few more years at least. I know you don't like him. So, let's do a little intellectual exercise... In fact, I'd love to see several people join in. Post whether you like or dislike Tomlin, and then, if you like him, your three biggest concerns weaknesses. If you dislike him, post the three top things you think he does well or strengths.

For me, since I like him, here's the three things that I dislike most about him (in no particular order):



I think he focuses too much on athleticism over skill. It's caused him to miss on draft picks and put players on the field when they shouldn't be there.
Somewhat like the first, but focused on positions: I believe he values general utility over a specific set of skills too much. It's one reason why we seem to always have problems on the line. I'd rather we pick up lineman that can play a specific position lights out and suck at all other positions than picking up players that can be plugged and played across the line.
Game time decisions. I like his aggressiveness. But there are times, like winning the coin toss and choosing to receive in the first half (not to mention his record on challenging plays) that I shake my head.


Great post.

I like Tomlin.

What he doesn't do well:

1. I don't think he handles the challenge and not challenging plays very well. I'm not sure if that is him or the people who are informing him, Either way, it falls on MT to make sure there is a good system in place.

2. This one could be argued either way, but I do not like how he will stick with certain coaches or players for "too long". Example: Matt Canada. IMO, Canada should've been gone after his first full season as an OC. That would've been his second season with the Steelers and it was clearly apparent that he didn't know what he was doing. However, a lot of people, including myself, thought Danny SMith should have been let go long ago. Now look at him.

3. I agree with you on your first one. Dri Archer for instance. Very athletic, not a good football player. Tomlin has this theory that all these players have the talent but it's the coaching that will out them over the top and I think in many cases that is true, but I also think in many cases this is not true and while a player like Dri Archer may be fast and look like he has some of the measurables, the guy might just not be a football player and this kind runs into my #2, Tomlin will let it play out until he's overly sure the guy isn't cut out to be a football player and that will hurt the teams at times.

[Mojouw]

Tomlin good.

Weaknesses:

1. Challenges. He does it to back his players rather than win the call.

2. Believes that doing all the basics right every time will always beat a great scheme inconsistently executed. Leads to not always scheming it up enough.

3. Loyalty bites him in the butt sometimes by playing guys too long or sticking with staff too long.

[hawaiiansteeler]

What he doesn't do well:

1. I don't think he handles the challenge and not challenging plays very well. I'm not sure if that is him or the people who are informing him, Either way, it falls on MT to make sure there is a good system in place.

2. This one could be argued either way, but I do not like how he will stick with certain coaches or players for "too long". Example: Matt Canada. IMO, Canada should've been gone after his first full season as an OC. That would've been his second season with the Steelers and it was clearly apparent that he didn't know what he was doing. However, a lot of people, including myself, thought Danny SMith should have been let go long ago. Now look at him.

3. I agree with you on your first one. Dri Archer for instance. Very athletic, not a good football player. Tomlin has this theory that all these players have the talent but it's the coaching that will out them over the top and I think in many cases that is true, but I also think in many cases this is not true and while a player like Dri Archer may be fast and look like he has some of the measurables, the guy might just not be a football player and this kind runs into my #2, Tomlin will let it play out until he's overly sure the guy isn't cut out to be a football player and that will hurt the teams at times.

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[Voice of Reason]

Cool. Pick a third topic I’d bet many on here would love to see you expand your horizons.

As I said, the number of topics I post on is my choice. So since you guys want me to post on more, I think for the time being I'll stay at two. :flipoff:

[Voice of Reason]

The fact that you constantly berate Tomlin and turn every positive into a negative means I simply cannot accept your assessment of Tomlin regardless of what you say because you've shown such a severe bias that I can't trust your take.

Oh, I never said that Tomlin doesn't have any positives. He does. My problem with him is that those positives, whatever they may be, haven't been enough to translate into playoff wins and legitimate chances for a Super Bowl appearance for a long, long time.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Steelers Mike Tomlin has NEVER Lost to Browns in Pittsburgh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhedBK2fzP8

[86WARD]

Coach of the Year!

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/76/2015/12/tomlin-celebrates.gif

[polamalubeast]

Coach of the Year!

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/76/2015/12/tomlin-celebrates.gif

Race of 3 between him,Cambell and Kevin O'Connell

[86WARD]

I don’t buy that Campbell is in that race. He was in it last year. The Lions were supposed to be good this year. If that’s the case, Andy Reid should be in the running as well.

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXSUZ1W-ifw

[cubanstogie]

I don’t buy that Campbell is in that race. He was in it last year. The Lions were supposed to be good this year. If that’s the case, Andy Reid should be in the running as well.
I see what you’re saying but it’s not a comeback of the year type award. A few guys have won it back to back years. A few guys deserving at this point.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I see what you’re saying but it’s not a comeback of the year type award. A few guys have won it back to back years. A few guys deserving at this point.

Lions are 12-1.

Dan Campbell is very deserving.

[DesertSteel]

Lions are 12-1.

Dan Campbell is very deserving.
FIRE DAN CAMPBELL!!

[cubanstogie]

Lions are 12-1.

Dan Campbell is very deserving.
I agree. At this point Cambell, Tomlin, o connel . Not sure if my point was clear but Campbell deserving last year as well as this year. If you throw in the Steelers were slated to be in cellar by so called experts and if they win division Tomlin could get the nod. A lot can happen in 4 weeks, especially with Steelers schedule.

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FIRE DAN CAMPBELL!!
I mean he is 0-1 in his last playoff game.

[86WARD]

Campbells team was expected to do well. The Steelers and Vikings were not expected to do well. If we are putting Campbell in that race, Andy Reid and Sean McDermott are also in that race.

[El Kabong]

Steelers Mike Tomlin has NEVER Lost to Browns in Pittsburgh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhedBK2fzP8
Mike Tomlin got humiliated by the Browns in Pittsburgh in the playoff game. I know people keep trying to separate regular season and playoffs, but that seems pretty artificial to me. We got our asses kicked by the Browns at home.

[cubanstogie]

Mike Tomlin got humiliated by the Browns in Pittsburgh in the playoff game. I know people keep trying to separate regular season and playoffs, but that seems pretty artificial to me. We got our asses kicked by the Browns at home.
Ben threw 4 picks in that game. But yeah Tomlins fault.

[El Kabong]

Ben threw 4 picks in that game. But yeah Tomlins fault.
Fine. Assign blame however you want (but surely Tomlin gets some). Point remains that that "Browns haven't won in Pittsburgh in 21 years" thing is meaningless in the face of that loss.

[cubanstogie]

Fine. Assign blame however you want (but surely Tomlin gets some). Point remains that that "Browns haven't won in Pittsburgh in 21 years" thing is meaningless in the face of that loss.
I don’t get Tomlin getting humiliated when Browns spotted 7 from bad snap if I recall correctly and Ben throws 4 picks. The whole team humiliated I’ll agree with. A loss to browns is always humiliating.

[Steeler-in-west]

Ben threw 4 picks in that game. But yeah Tomlins fault.

Ben was an experienced Qb with quite a bit of playoff experience. Maybe the receiver ran the wrong route or the cut wasnt there, or timing. Or maybe the wrong play was called against the wrong defensive set, so it could be a Fichtner/Canada screw up. And if the coordinators are not prepared that falls on the head coach, so its not so simple as saying it was Ben’s fault.

[polamalubeast]

The final month of the 2020 season,the steelers were very bad losing 4 of the last 5 games.Their only win,they were down 24-7 at one point....Their playoff loss was expected big time,at least for me

I have way more problem with the playoffs loss in 2011 and 2017

[hawaiiansteeler]

Mike Tomlin's singularly focused ahead of three-game gauntlet vs. Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8gzgGGhHgQ

[86WARD]

Was a good question by the reporter as she asked about the “division of labor”.

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://res.cloudinary.com/bleacherreport/image/upload/c_fill,h_600,w_900/r4ruo8wjh4q4eozdmseo.jpg

[hawaiiansteeler]

We were still in the game, yet Tomlin didn't have the stones to go for it on 4th and 7.

FIRE Mike Tomlin!!! :cool:

[Steeldude]

I haven't been here long enough to know if the site has "declined" from what it used to be. What I DO know is that this board currently has a group of six or seven people who think that they "run" the board and that they can tell other people what they can and cannot post and what opinions they can and cannot have, and if anyone disagrees with them or challenges them on this they gang up to attack and ridicule that person in order to intimidate him into submission.

This naturally kills a lot of the discussion on the board and discourages both new and veteran members of the board from posting if their opinions disagree with the "ruling class", since most of the people who join this board just want to have a pleasant discussion about the Steelers and don't want to deal with all this crap. I've been told by a number of board members in private messages and reputation comments that this is exactly why they have cut back their posting or stopped it all together. I've also noticed that there are a number of new people who have joined the board since I've been here who lurk and read the board but who rarely or never actually post. As a matter of fact, in the year that I've been here I seem to be the only newbie who regularly posts. I don't think that's a coincidence. I've been around message boards long enough that I don't let the board assholes run me off, but why would anyone else want to be subjected to all the taunts and insults you get here if you don't conform?

For a site that almost went belly-up a year ago and is supposedly looking to attract new posters and fresh voices, this is one of the most unfriendly places for new posters I've ever seen.

It's always the same "people" whining. If you don't post the way they tell you then you are attacked.

[Mojouw]

Did you finally find friend?

Also why put people in quotes? I figure it is one of two reasons.

Either way it's a odd way to go.

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[Steeldude]

Did you finally find friend?

Also why put people in quotes? I figure it is one of two reasons.

Either way it's a odd way to go.

Sent from my SM-T220 using Tapatalk

See? Just like clockwork.

[Mojouw]

See? Just like clockwork.

I'm just asking questions.

Stop trying to control what I post.

[hawaiiansteeler]

PIT decided to punt to PHI from the PHI 46 on 4th & 7 with 10:40 remaining in the 4th while losing 13 to 27.

With a Surrender Index of 16.53, this punt ranks at the 98th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2024 season, and the 95th percentile of all punts since 1999.

Dec 15, 2024

https://x.com/surrender_idx90/status/1868446119002316838

[86WARD]

It wouldn’t have made a difference. Eagles ran more than 10 minutes to close the game.

[BlackAndGold]

PIT decided to punt to PHI from the PHI 46 on 4th & 7 with 10:40 remaining in the 4th while losing 13 to 27.

With a Surrender Index of 16.53, this punt ranks at the 98th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2024 season, and the 95th percentile of all punts since 1999.

Dec 15, 2024

https://x.com/surrender_idx90/status/1868446119002316838

Tomlin really has to get with the times. Almost anyone watching knows he should've went for it.

But the defense should not have been dog walked down the field. Though this is Tomlin's defense, so finger pointing goes back to him.

[DesertSteel]

FIRE TOMLIN!!

[Voice of Reason]

PIT decided to punt to PHI from the PHI 46 on 4th & 7 with 10:40 remaining in the 4th while losing 13 to 27.

With a Surrender Index of 16.53, this punt ranks at the 98th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2024 season, and the 95th percentile of all punts since 1999.

Dec 15, 2024

And what about Tomlin not calling a timeout after we stopped the Eagles' third-down play with less than two minutes to go in the first half? When asked about it after the game, he said something like "I was in the process of getting some information, and that's all I'm going to say about that". :rolleyes:

[Steeldude]

I'm just asking questions.

Stop trying to control what I post.

You have proven my point. Please, continue.

[86WARD]

Steeldope awakens only after losses. [emoji23]

[fansince'76]

And what about Tomlin not calling a timeout after we stopped the Eagles' third-down play with less than two minutes to go in the first half? When asked about it after the game, he said something like "I was in the process of getting some information, and that's all I'm going to say about that". :rolleyes:

Not sure what you're talking about - Tomlin did call a timeout. And the Steelers wound up putting up another 3 points right before the half. Unless the argument is that he didn't call a time out "fast enough" due to the ongoing narrative regarding his "clueless clock management."



3rd & 7 at PHI 33

(2:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) PENALTY on PHI-L.Johnson, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 33 - No Play.




3rd & 12 at PHI 28

(2:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Hurts sacked at PHI 16 for -12 yards (T.Watt).




4th & 24 at PHI 16

(1:29 - 2nd) Timeout #2 by PIT at 01:29.





4th & 24 at PHI 16

(1:29 - 2nd) B.Mann punts 29 yards to PHI 45, Center-R.Lovato, downed by PHI-J.Hunt.




1st & 10 at PHI 45

(1:17 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to P.Freiermuth to PHI 33 for 12 yards (N.Dean). FUMBLES (N.Dean), and recovers at PHI 33. ** Injury Update: PHI-D.Slay has returned to the game.





1st & 10 at PHI 33

(0:59 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to P.Freiermuth to PHI 26 for 7 yards (N.Dean).The Replay Official reviewed the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED.(No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to P.Freiermuth.





2nd & 10 at PHI 33

(0:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson sacked at PHI 43 for -10 yards (N.Smith).





3rd & 20 at PHI 43

(0:48 - 2nd) Timeout #3 by PIT at 00:48.





3rd & 20 at PHI 43

(0:48 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to C.Austin to PHI 31 for 12 yards (C.Gardner-Johnson).





4th & 8 at PHI 31

(0:42 - 2nd) Timeout #2 by PHI at 00:42.





4th & 8 at PHI 31

(0:37 - 2nd) C.Boswell 49 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Kuntz, Holder-C.Waitman.

[86WARD]

Not sure what you're talking about - Tomlin did call a timeout. And the Steelers wound up putting up another 3 points right before the half. Unless the argument is that he didn't call a time out "fast enough" due to the ongoing narrative regarding his "clueless clock management."



3rd & 7 at PHI 33

(2:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) PENALTY on PHI-L.Johnson, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 33 - No Play.




3rd & 12 at PHI 28

(2:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Hurts sacked at PHI 16 for -12 yards (T.Watt).




4th & 24 at PHI 16

(1:29 - 2nd) Timeout #2 by PIT at 01:29.





4th & 24 at PHI 16

(1:29 - 2nd) B.Mann punts 29 yards to PHI 45, Center-R.Lovato, downed by PHI-J.Hunt.




1st & 10 at PHI 45

(1:17 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to P.Freiermuth to PHI 33 for 12 yards (N.Dean). FUMBLES (N.Dean), and recovers at PHI 33. ** Injury Update: PHI-D.Slay has returned to the game.





1st & 10 at PHI 33

(0:59 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to P.Freiermuth to PHI 26 for 7 yards (N.Dean).The Replay Official reviewed the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED.(No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to P.Freiermuth.





2nd & 10 at PHI 33

(0:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson sacked at PHI 43 for -10 yards (N.Smith).





3rd & 20 at PHI 43

(0:48 - 2nd) Timeout #3 by PIT at 00:48.





3rd & 20 at PHI 43

(0:48 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to C.Austin to PHI 31 for 12 yards (C.Gardner-Johnson).





4th & 8 at PHI 31

(0:42 - 2nd) Timeout #2 by PHI at 00:42.





4th & 8 at PHI 31

(0:37 - 2nd) C.Boswell 49 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Kuntz, Holder-C.Waitman.



Dont let facts get in the way.

[cubanstogie]

Dont let facts get in the way.
We all know voice of treason doesn’t listen to facts. He denies he wished for 5 wins or less this year and it’s documented. It takes zero thought process to blame HC for every loss. Probably Tomlins fault for Pickens torn hammy.

[86WARD]

It's always the same "people" whining. If you don't post the way they tell you then you are attacked.

Of course!! You're not in the good old boys club. ha ha. Don't be sour...

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/1/19/Hogg.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtIWUmEoagc

[86WARD]

We all know voice of treason doesn’t listen to facts. He denies he wished for 5 wins or less this year and it’s documented. It takes zero thought process to blame HC for every loss. Probably Tomlins fault for Pickens torn hammy.

It clearly is. He should've hired a better training staff instead of thinking up new Tomlinisms.

[tube517]

Not sure what you're talking about - Tomlin did call a timeout. And the Steelers wound up putting up another 3 points right before the half. Unless the argument is that he didn't call a time out "fast enough" due to the ongoing narrative regarding his "clueless clock management."



3rd & 7 at PHI 33

(2:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) PENALTY on PHI-L.Johnson, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 33 - No Play.




3rd & 12 at PHI 28

(2:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Hurts sacked at PHI 16 for -12 yards (T.Watt).




4th & 24 at PHI 16

(1:29 - 2nd) Timeout #2 by PIT at 01:29.





4th & 24 at PHI 16

(1:29 - 2nd) B.Mann punts 29 yards to PHI 45, Center-R.Lovato, downed by PHI-J.Hunt.




1st & 10 at PHI 45

(1:17 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to P.Freiermuth to PHI 33 for 12 yards (N.Dean). FUMBLES (N.Dean), and recovers at PHI 33. ** Injury Update: PHI-D.Slay has returned to the game.





1st & 10 at PHI 33

(0:59 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to P.Freiermuth to PHI 26 for 7 yards (N.Dean).The Replay Official reviewed the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED.(No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to P.Freiermuth.





2nd & 10 at PHI 33

(0:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson sacked at PHI 43 for -10 yards (N.Smith).





3rd & 20 at PHI 43

(0:48 - 2nd) Timeout #3 by PIT at 00:48.





3rd & 20 at PHI 43

(0:48 - 2nd) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to C.Austin to PHI 31 for 12 yards (C.Gardner-Johnson).





4th & 8 at PHI 31

(0:42 - 2nd) Timeout #2 by PHI at 00:42.





4th & 8 at PHI 31

(0:37 - 2nd) C.Boswell 49 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Kuntz, Holder-C.Waitman.
Fake news [emoji38]

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[Mojouw]

Got to remember that the some of the loudest critiques are coming from someone who proudly claimed to never watch any non-Steelers games and only very rarely watch the Steelers because of the some combination of the homosexual agenda and the dire threat to the republic that the NFL posed. Still working out the details of why. Makes it kind of hard to know what is going on when you don't watch? Also why post if you are against the entire thing anyways? Wouldn't Mike Tomlin ruining the Steelers be a good thing since they are likely all a communist plot anyways?

Also why was people in quotes? What word is too scary for even those who dare to be bold to type out?

Just asking questions. Trying to do my research.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Steeldope awakens only after losses. [emoji23]

Some people are only happy when they are unhappy.

And a percentage of them want to share their feelings in hopes of making others unhappy. Its a special group of people. :attention:

[DesertSteel]

If you don't post the way they tell you then you are attacked.
Why are you so sensitive?

[86WARD]

Why are you so sensitive?

Stop attacking him.

[Hawkman]

Why are you so sensitive?

Who exactly is “they”?… I need to know…….Am a “good old boy” or a “they”, or something else? I want some sort of identity on this board.:heh:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Who exactly is “they”?… I need to know…….Am a “good old boy” or a “they”, or something else? I want some sort of identity on this board.:heh:

All you need to do is state you don't believe that all of the world's current problems are Mike Tomlin's fault and you instantly get welcomed into "The Good Old Boys Club".

[Hawkman]

All you need to do is state you don't believe that all of the world's current problems are Mike Tomlin's fault and you instantly get welcomed into "The Good Old Boys Club".

Thanks HIS, I find solace, embracing a “Good Old Boys”, status, ( especially since I’m from VA). It’s all about belonging.:heh:…..and I don’t believe all the world’s problems are Mike Tomlin’s fault…..only a few.

[86WARD]

Thanks HIS, I find solace, embracing a “Good Old Boys”, status, ( especially since I’m from VA). It’s all about belonging.:heh:…..and I don’t believe all the world’s problems are Mike Tomlin’s fault…..only a few.

By golly have you “Ben” enthroned too?!?

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

As long as the media keeps propping up Tomlin then nothing will ever change. There is a reason he hasn't been named coach of the year, a lot of that has to do with the lack of playoff wins. They love the "regular season" records but what I and all of the fans care about are post season wins. The goal every year is to win a Superbowl and if it's not your goal then you are in the wrong business.

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[Mojouw]

Yeah. The Rooney's seem super influenced by what ESPN has to say.

[DesertSteel]

As long as the media keeps propping up Tomlin then nothing will ever change. There is a reason he hasn't been named coach of the year, a lot of that has to do with the lack of playoff wins. They love the "regular season" records but what I and all of the fans care about are post season wins. The goal every year is to win a Superbowl and if it's not your goal then you are in the wrong business.

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If that was the case, Lamar Jackson wouldn’t have any MVPs. It’s a regular season award.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Distance, faith in defense led Mike Tomlin to punt in 4th quarter of Steelers' loss to Eagles

JOE RUTTER | Monday, Dec. 16, 2024

https://triblive.com/sports/distance-faith-in-defense-led-mike-tomlin-to-punt-in-4th-quarter-of-steelers-loss-to-eagles/

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

If that was the case, Lamar Jackson wouldn’t have any MVPs. It’s a regular season award.MVP's definitely don't equal championships but I get what you are saying. There is something to be said though why Tomlin has never received coach of the year awards and I do believe playoffs figure into that equation.

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[Voice of Reason]

Not sure what you're talking about - Tomlin did call a timeout. And the Steelers wound up putting up another 3 points right before the half. Unless the argument is that he didn't call a time out "fast enough" due to the ongoing narrative regarding his "clueless clock management."



3rd & 7 at PHI 33

(2:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) PENALTY on PHI-L.Johnson, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 33 - No Play.




3rd & 12 at PHI 28

(2:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Hurts sacked at PHI 16 for -12 yards (T.Watt).




4th & 24 at PHI 16

(1:29 - 2nd) Timeout #2 by PIT at 01:29.


Thank you for proving my point. As you can see from the info you provided, the third down play where Hurts was sacked started with the clock at 2:00. How long do you think that play lasted? Six seconds, maybe eight at the most? Which means the play was over at the latest at 1:52, which means that Tomlin knew at 1:52 that the Steelers were going to get the ball. But as you can see he didn't call a timeout until 1:29. Which means he wasted at least 23 seconds after the play was over before calling a timeout. That's a lot of time to waste for no reason, and the fact that the Steelers now had to hurry more than they should have had to contributed to them getting a field goal there rather than a touchdown.

[Voice of Reason]

Dont let facts get in the way.

You're the one who doesn't have the facts, dumbkopf. :boink:

[Voice of Reason]

All you need to do is state you don't believe that all of the world's current problems are Mike Tomlin's fault and you instantly get welcomed into "The Good Old Boys Club".

No, to be in the Good Ol' Boys Club you have to tell people what they can and cannot post, like when they told you that you shouldn't post articles (unless you commented on them). You left the board for a while over that and I supported you, and you thanked me for my support. How soon they forget.

[fansince'76]

MVP's definitely don't equal championships but I get what you are saying. There is something to be said though why Tomlin has never received coach of the year awards and I do believe playoffs figure into that equation.

Chuck Noll never won a coach of the year award until 1989 (his 21st season with the Steelers). And even the one he did win was a newly established award from the Maxwell Football Club, not the Associated Press, which is the only one anybody really pays any attention and lends any legitimacy to. Just saying.

[fansince'76]

Thank you for proving my point. As you can see from the info you provided, the third down play where Hurts was sacked started with the clock at 2:00. How long do you think that play lasted? Six seconds, maybe eight at the most? Which means the play was over at the latest at 1:52, which means that Tomlin knew at 1:52 that the Steelers were going to get the ball. But as you can see he didn't call a timeout until 1:29. Which means he wasted at least 23 seconds after the play was over before calling a timeout. That's a lot of time to waste for no reason, and the fact that the Steelers now had to hurry more than they should have had to contributed to them getting a field goal there rather than a touchdown.

Yeah, he didn't call it "fast enough." I figured as much.

[Voice of Reason]

Yeah, he didn't call it "fast enough." I figured as much.

You don't think that in this case that's a legitimate complaint? :huh:

[fansince'76]

You don't think that in this case that's a legitimate complaint? :huh:

Considering the offense's first half struggles up to that point, I think it's a whole lotta nit-picking, but that's just me.

[Voice of Reason]

Considering the offense's first half struggles up to that point, I think it's a whole lotta nit-picking, but that's just me.

Wasting 23 seconds at the end of the half is "nit-picking"? :rolleyes:

Considering the offense's first half struggles, they needed all the time they could get.

[fansince'76]

Wasting 23 seconds at the end of the half is "nit-picking"? :rolleyes:

Considering the offense's first half struggles, they needed all the time they could get.

And if they did have more time and disaster struck and they turned the ball over and the Eagles got another score with the extra time, you'd be blaming him for that too. :rolleyes:

Bottom line, you're going to find fault with whatever the guy does regardless of circumstance, which is the real crux of the matter.

[tube517]

MVP's definitely don't equal championships but I get what you are saying. There is something to be said though why Tomlin has never received coach of the year awards and I do believe playoffs figure into that equation.

Sent from my SM-S926U using TapatalkSince 1969, Steeler head coaches have received ONE coach of the year award. The AP award is the one that is recognized. Chuck Knox won it 3 times but how many Lombardis does he have? Stefanski winning twice is a joke. Lindy Infantes and Wayne Fontes? Lol.

Playoffs have nothing to do with it.

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[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAMd6m3YreQ

[DesertSteel]

MVP's definitely don't equal championships but I get what you are saying. There is something to be said though why Tomlin has never received coach of the year awards and I do believe playoffs figure into that equation.

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That's cool. But they really don't. I think it's more about the preseason expectations from the media. Most of the time, the media sees the Steelers as playoff contenders in the preseason. This is what works against him. And besides, Tomlin is always introduced as "Super Bowl winning coach, Mike Tomlin" whether anyone here likes it or not.

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

That's cool. But they really don't. I think it's more about the preseason expectations from the media. Most of the time, the media sees the Steelers as playoff contenders in the preseason. This is what works against him. And besides, Tomlin is always introduced as "Super Bowl winning coach, Mike Tomlin" whether anyone here likes it or not.I personally don't think he will ever win that award but all I care about is the post season. Can we ever get over the hump and win more than one playoff game? Nobody is afraid to play us anymore and haven't for years, simply because we have been an easy 1 and done in the playoffs. We need to instill fear in teams like we did 12-15 years ago. We have never regained that "edge" and there needs to be some pretty drastic changes in my eyes. I think a lot of it is scheme or lack there of. Especially on defense, I think we need a stud DC.

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[Steeler-in-west]

Tomlin hasnt been successful in the postseason since 2016 because his coordinators have been subpar. His last DC worth a damn was Dick LeBeau who left in 2014 and Haley on the offensive side who left in 17. Austin is subpar and I dont know know if Smith is good enough to help get us over the hump and win a playoff game or two. I dont know why we went with Austin over Flores. That to me is the second biggest mistake the Steelers have made regarding coordinators.

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I personally don't think he will ever win that award but all I care about is the post season. Can we ever get over the hump and win more than one playoff game? Nobody is afraid to play us anymore and haven't for years, simply because we have been an easy 1 and done in the playoffs. We need to instill fear in teams like we did 12-15 years ago. We have never regained that "edge" and there needs to be some pretty drastic changes in my eyes. I think a lot of it is scheme or lack there of. Especially on defense, I think we need a stud DC.

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agreed. LeBeau was the last good DC. Everything since has been a combination of mediocrity mixed in with Tomlin’s side gig as DC “consultant”

[Voice of Reason]

Bottom line, you're going to find fault with whatever the guy does regardless of circumstance, which is the real crux of the matter.

There's nothing I've said about him that isn't true. One thing I've learned in life is that if you want something to be a certain way when it actually isn't, blaming the people who are telling the truth about the situation doesn't make it so. Don't shoot the messenger who's giving you an accurate message just because you don't like the message.

[Voice of Reason]

I personally don't think he will ever win that award but all I care about is the post season. Can we ever get over the hump and win more than one playoff game? Nobody is afraid to play us anymore and haven't for years, simply because we have been an easy 1 and done in the playoffs. We need to instill fear in teams like we did 12-15 years ago. We have never regained that "edge" and there needs to be some pretty drastic changes in my eyes. I think a lot of it is scheme or lack there of. Especially on defense, I think we need a stud DC.

Be careful, they'll accuse you of finding fault with the guy regardless of circumstance.. :rolleyes:

[DesertSteel]

There's nothing I've said about him that isn't true. One thing I've learned in life is that if you want something to be a certain way when it actually isn't, blaming the people who are telling the truth about the situation doesn't make it so. Don't shoot the messenger who's giving you an accurate message just because you don't like the message.
You should get your own show on Comedy Central!

[El Kabong]

Tomlin hasnt been successful in the postseason since 2016 because his coordinators have been subpar. His last DC worth a damn was Dick LeBeau who left in 2014 and Haley on the offensive side who left in 17. Austin is subpar and I dont know know if Smith is good enough to help get us over the hump and win a playoff game or two. I dont know why we went with Austin over Flores. That to me is the second biggest mistake the Steelers have made regarding coordinators.

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agreed. LeBeau was the last good DC. Everything since has been a combination of mediocrity mixed in with Tomlin’s side gig as DC “consultant”
Critics would say that Tomlin's the one who hired those coordinators.

[Mojouw]

I don’t think Tomlin’s coordinators are subpar.

I think it’s a difference in philosophy between Tomlin’s approach to football and some of the “scheme wizards”.

The “scheme guys” are spamming some wrinkle or potential innovation in approach to give their players an advantage. And as long as that wrinkle holds up; they look great. But if and when opponents catch up to it or injuries take a toll; they often fall off.

Tomlin and by extension the coaches he hires are using a different approach. Do a few core “simple” things perfectly. Do them over and over again. In Tomlin’s eyes that makes his team matchup proof. They are not dependent on scheme or personnel. The Steelers biggest opponent each week is the Steelers. Tomlin believes that if each guy executes his assignment; the team wins.

I have no idea which approach is truly better. I’m not smart enough to figure it out. I do know that I often wish the Steelers would get a bit “funkier” and “scheme” more. But that’s just not Tomlin’s core belief about football. He believes in “routine plays routinely “ and then having his “stars” making “splash” plays.

[oneforthetoe]

I don’t think Tomlin’s coordinators are subpar.

I think it’s a difference in philosophy between Tomlin’s approach to football and some of the “scheme wizards”.

The “scheme guys” are spamming some wrinkle or potential innovation in approach to give their players an advantage. And as long as that wrinkle holds up; they look great. But if and when opponents catch up to it or injuries take a toll; they often fall off.

Tomlin and by extension the coaches he hires are using a different approach. Do a few core “simple” things perfectly. Do them over and over again. In Tomlin’s eyes that makes his team matchup proof. They are not dependent on scheme or personnel. The Steelers biggest opponent each week is the Steelers. Tomlin believes that if each guy executes his assignment; the team wins.

I have no idea which approach is truly better. I’m not smart enough to figure it out. I do know that I often wish the Steelers would get a bit “funkier” and “scheme” more. But that’s just not Tomlin’s core belief about football. He believes in “routine plays routinely “ and then having his “stars” making “splash” plays.

I think that is spot on. Like many things in life sometimes the same thing that is your greatest strength can also be your greatest weakness.

[86WARD]

I have no idea which approach is truly better. I’m not smart enough to figure it out. I do know that I often wish the Steelers would get a bit “funkier” and “scheme” more. But that’s just not Tomlin’s core belief about football. He believes in “routine plays routinely “ and then having his “stars” making “splash” plays.

It’s whichever philosophy is working at the end of any particular season. I don’t think either is right or wrong but whichever one is “hot” or working in December and January and February…that’s the one that is working.

If the Steelers were running funky, Andy Reid type plays (Todd Haley to a smaller extent) and they weren’t winning, the fans would bitch that the offense is “too cute” and would want them to just throw or run the ball. Now that they throw and run the ball, they aren’t innovative enough.

Ben said something interesting on his podcast the other day and it was kinda just a throwaway comment but the comment was that the teams he was on didn’t care how they won, pretty, ugly, lucky, whatever. Their only goal was to score one more point than the other team at the end. Frankly, that’s ALL that matters. Nothing more matters.

[Mojouw]

It’s whichever philosophy is working at the end of any particular season. I don’t think either is right or wrong but whichever one is “hot” or working in December and January and February…that’s the one that is working.

If the Steelers were running funky, Andy Reid type plays (Todd Haley to a smaller extent) and they weren’t winning, the fans would bitch that the offense is “too cute” and would want them to just throw or run the ball. Now that they throw and run the ball, they aren’t innovative enough.

Ben said something interesting on his podcast the other day and it was kinda just a throwaway comment but the comment was that the teams he was on didn’t care how they won, pretty, ugly, lucky, whatever. Their only goal was to score one more point than the other team at the end. Frankly, that’s ALL that matters. Nothing more matters.

I've seen hardly any Chiefs games this season but that's their entire thing this year - score 1 more point.

[Voice of Reason]

You should get your own show on Comedy Central!

Three midgets walk into the offices of the Guinness Book of World Records. The first midget goes up to the desk and says "I want to claim the record for having the world's smallest hands". The guy at the desk says "I don't have the time to research it now, but you can go into our reading room and look it up and see if you beat the old record". So the first midget goes into the reading room, and in a few minutes he comes out all smiling and happy and says "Yippee, I've got the record for the world's smallest hands!!! ".

The second midget says "I want to claim the record for the world's smallest feet". So he goes into the reading room and comes out a few minutes later jumping up and down and pumping his fist and says "All right !!! I've got the record for the world's smallest feet".

Then the third midget says "I want to claim the record for the world's smallest penis". So he goes into the reading room, and a few minutes later he comes out all upset and angry and he says "Who the hell is DesertSteel?"

[Steeler-in-west]

4 man rushes too often and an over reliance on one star (TJ) - Not to mention our schemes on pass defense, playing off the receivers. Thats on Austin.

Whats our counter when TJ is tired or doubled? Thats on Austin

[fansince'76]

Overreliance on one defensive star? LeBeau/Polamalu, anyone? And as far as playing off of receivers, Brady practically made a career out of feasting on LeBeau's "tackle the catch" scheme.

And then there was the whole "rookie defensive players need to ride the pine for three years due to the complexity of the defense" thing.

LeBeau had his faults too. Just saying.

[Mojouw]

4 man rushes too often and an over reliance on one star (TJ) - Not to mention our schemes on pass defense, playing off the receivers. Thats on Austin.

Whats our counter when TJ is tired or doubled? Thats on Austin

The entire NFL has a goal of rushing 4 and dropping the rest into coverage. It is a core philosophy of just about every defensive coordinator going right now not namee Brian Flores. Flores remains committed to just sending everyone all the time.

The Steelers are top 10 in man coverage rate on the season.

Are these things really as bad as you think? Because the comparison around the league says no.

[Steeler-in-west]

The entire NFL has a goal of rushing 4 and dropping the rest into coverage. It is a core philosophy of just about every defensive coordinator going right now not namee Brian Flores. Flores remains committed to just sending everyone all the time.

The Steelers are top 10 in man coverage rate on the season.

Are these things really as bad as you think? Because the comparison around the league says no.

it seems pretty bad. Hurts had all day to throw against our 4 man rush, and when TJ is doubled or hurt our pass rush disappears. Granted 4 man rushes are the most common but when you arent getting pressure and your getting picked apart you have to generate pressure by blitzing. Austin doesn't seem to do it. Maybe we dont have the backfield to handle the coverage with one or two less guys back.

[Mojouw]

it seems pretty bad. Hurts had all day to throw against our 4 man rush, and when TJ is doubled or hurt our pass rush disappears. Granted 4 man rushes are the most common but when you arent getting pressure and your getting picked apart you have to generate pressure by blitzing. Austin doesn't seem to do it. Maybe we dont have the backfield to handle the coverage with one or two less guys back.

That's likely part of it.

Again, I think it's philosophy. Tomlin and company believe their 4 can get home enough to make it work.

The days of sending waves of blitzers is in the rearview for the Steelers.

Not saying it is the right or best approach but one they clearly strongly believe in.

[86WARD]

it seems pretty bad. Hurts had all day to throw against our 4 man rush, and when TJ is doubled or hurt our pass rush disappears. Granted 4 man rushes are the most common but when you arent getting pressure and your getting picked apart you have to generate pressure by blitzing. Austin doesn't seem to do it. Maybe we dont have the backfield to handle the coverage with one or two less guys back.

That’s not nearly as true a statement as it used to be.

[Steeler-in-west]

That’s not nearly as true a statement as it used to be.

which part?

[86WARD]

which part?

Pass rush disappearing when TJ is doubled.

There’s three quality rushers, not counting the DL now. In the past, there has never been that talent or depth across from or behind TJ

[Steeler-in-west]

Pass rush disappearing when TJ is doubled.

There’s three quality rushers, not counting the DL now. In the past, there has never been that talent or depth across from or behind TJ

They weren't there for most of the eagles game and first browns game. I notice they still get stymied in certain games and Austin stubbornly refuses to send more people.

[Born2Steel]

They weren't there for most of the eagles game and first browns game. I notice they still get stymied in certain games and Austin stubbornly refuses to send more people.
Just because we fans think they should do something or not do something does not mean the coach is being stubborn. Just a weird way of looking at the world, IMO.

[Steeler-in-west]

Just because we fans think they should do something or not do something does not mean the coach is being stubborn. Just a weird way of looking at the world, IMO.

what are you talking about? Ok I’ll call it stupid or better yet insane (doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result)

just because those guys on the sideline are getting paid doesn't mean they always know what their doing

[Born2Steel]

what are you talking about? Ok I’ll call it stupid or better yet insane (doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result)

just because those guys on the sideline are getting paid doesn't mean they always know what their doing
No. What I mean is, if I keep yelling to run the ball and burn clock, for instance. Yet the team keeps passing. This is a difference of strategy, not being stubborn, stupid, or insane. We need to blitz more!!!! Apparently they do not agree. Maybe it's not them being stubborn.

[Steeler-in-west]

No. What I mean is, if I keep yelling to run the ball and burn clock, for instance. Yet the team keeps passing. This is a difference of strategy, not being stubborn, stupid, or insane. We need to blitz more!!!! Apparently they do not agree. Maybe it's not them being stubborn.

they dont have to agree, and we as fans dont have to agree with their approach. But when the Qb has all day to throw and the Steelers end up losing our opinion is kinda vindicated…

[cubanstogie]

they dont have to agree, and we as fans dont have to agree with their approach. But when the Qb has all day to throw and the Steelers end up losing our opinion is kinda vindicated…
In your mind vindicated. And very possibly correct, but alternatively they blitz a slot corner and AJ Brown turns a 10 yard route into a 40 yard gain. Then we’re second guessing blitzing opposed to rushing 4. With TJ , Herbig and Highsmith you’re counting on pressure without blitzing. Sometimes it not coaching but their O line outplayed our D line.

[Craic]

what are you talking about? Ok I’ll call it stupid or better yet insane (doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result)

just because those guys on the sideline are getting paid doesn't mean they always know what their doing

No, it does not mean they always know what they're doing. But it does mean that they have a lot better idea than you or I do. Unless, that is, you or I have a full-time job evaluating football 40 or 50 hours a week, see the practices, know what's going on with each player concerning health, headspace, any other potential distractions or untapped potentials.

[DesertSteel]

No, it does not mean they always know what they're doing. But it does mean that they have a lot better idea than you or I do. Unless, that is, you or I have a full-time job evaluating football 40 or 50 hours a week, see the practices, know what's going on with each player concerning health, headspace, any other potential distractions or untapped potentials.
I think being a member here at SU puts one on that level too.

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

I'm of the mindset that our scheme especially on defense is a tired scheme that has been on repeat for the last at least years. Look, I'm just a fan that really don't know the complete ins and outs of the day to day with the Steelers organization. All I can go by is the product they put on display week after week. What I see is a team with basically the same game plan week after week with not much ability to adjust on the fly. It's almost like they don't prepare for the specific opponents weaknesses or strengths. It's "we are gonna run this plan no matter what" when they stop it then we don't usually have an answer. Everything is predicated on the big splash plays or turnovers on defense to basically try and bail us out always. There is really not a "scheme" to even try to confuse the opponents. This goes to the coaching or lack there of. I've grown very tired of giving coordinators jobs (especially On D) when they havent done anything to prove they are even worth being a coordinator. They should have definitely hired Flores over Austin. Austin was basically a nobody that coached who the Bengals D and they had one of the worst defenses that year. We haven't had good coordinators in years. This is just what I see as a fan and what I see week after week. What do I know, just my opinion.

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[hawaiiansteeler]

I think being a member here at SU puts one on that level too.

Us Good Old Boys know our shit! :thumbsup:

[Voice of Reason]

Us Good Old Boys...

No, you've got class.

[86WARD]

Us Good Old Boys know our shit! :thumbsup:

Wish there was a full list of good old boys. I’m just happy to know I’m on that list! I’m striving for the cool kids list though…

[Steeler-in-west]

In your mind vindicated. And very possibly correct, but alternatively they blitz a slot corner and AJ Brown turns a 10 yard route into a 40 yard gain. Then we’re second guessing blitzing opposed to rushing 4. With TJ , Herbig and Highsmith you’re counting on pressure without blitzing. Sometimes it not coaching but their O line outplayed our D line.

we have JPJ, Donte Jackson, top draft picks who should be able to handle a guy like brown, they can jam him at the line to delay the route from developing and give the blitz to get home. I think were too conservative on defense and it cost us a couple recent losses

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No, it does not mean they always know what they're doing. But it does mean that they have a lot better idea than you or I do. Unless, that is, you or I have a full-time job evaluating football 40 or 50 hours a week, see the practices, know what's going on with each player concerning health, headspace, any other potential distractions or untapped potentials.

i’m willing to bet a couple posters here just might have the edge over Canada

[Mojouw]

They tried man on Brown. Both Jackson and Porter got their butts kicked.

[pczach]

No, it does not mean they always know what they're doing. But it does mean that they have a lot better idea than you or I do. Unless, that is, you or I have a full-time job evaluating football 40 or 50 hours a week, see the practices, know what's going on with each player concerning health, headspace, any other potential distractions or untapped potentials.


I have to disagree with you here a bit.

I understand what you are saying, but I don't like when people say that nobody is qualified to critique football coaches. Some of us here have played football at a high level, coached, or simply played and studied in a way that they have a full understanding of what they are looking at on a football field.

I was one of Matt Canada's biggest detractors here because I watched the film over a period of time and could see that what he was doing was not good enough at an NFL level. I saw that his play design was lacking. That his route combinations often didn't make any sense and were not complimentary. I could also see that Canada couldn't make adjustments based on what defenses were doing to him. Canada didn't understand how to scheme players open often enough for it to work. He was a horrible play caller that struggled to call plays in a way that sets up other plays to be successful later in the game. Of course, calling plays from his awful playbook didn't help.....but that was his offense and his job to design an offense that works.

I didn't just say "Matt Canada sucks!" I stated what wasn't working and explained why it wasn't working. I also said what I thought they needed to do to help things work better. The coaches that took over when Canada was fired did some of what I talked about by inserting elements into the offense to improve it. And I wasn't the only one. There were a few others here that tried to explain how plays can be tweaked, plays can be added, and how changes can be made on the fly in limited amounts on a week-to-week basis.

I and many other people were able to easily see Canada's shortcomings, yet Mike Tomlin and the Steelers organization continued to keep this guy and his offense around for years.

Please don't assume that everybody doesn't know what they're talking about.

You are correct that there are certain things that we can't know the context of from a distance sometimes, but the X's and O's and their implementation are not a mystery to many people. Sometimes fans actually do know that what they are seeing isn't good enough and need to be improved more than the NFL organization does. Matt Canada is Exhibit A in showing that sometimes people outside the organization know better than the team does.

[Steeler-in-west]

They tried man on Brown. Both Jackson and Porter got their butts kicked.

if 6-1 Hurts is busy running for his life or has pass rushers in his field of vision it wont matter. We didnt do enough to make him uncomfortable, same thing has happened to Winston, may happen again to LJ and Mahomes. Cant keep rushing 4 if its not working

how many times has Wilson not even had time to look downfield?

[Mojouw]

if 6-1 Hurts is busy running for his life or has pass rushers in his field of vision it wont matter. We didnt do enough to make him uncomfortable, same thing has happened to Winston, may happen again to LJ and Mahomes. Cant keep rushing 4 if its not working

how many times has Wilson not even had time to look downfield?

The poor play of Moore and Jones along with their rookie friends along the Steelers offensive line has little to do with whether or not the Steelers bring more than 4. Teams are getting pressure on Wilson without big blitzes because the Steelers O line still leaks like a sieve at times.

I suspect the Steelers are rushing four more than you think. I also suspect that when they leave anyone not named Porter all alone in single coverage...it is dicey at best. Bishop has been roasted at various times this season. Some games he got beat like a drum. Jackson has balanced INTs with getting toasted. The next play Cam Sutton makes will be the first in 2024.

Another factor in the Steelers not blitzing the house, is the amount of running QBs they have played this season. And they seem to have taken an approach to containing those guys within the pocket rather than risking them getting big scrambles. The numbers against running QBs are the Steelers just totally shutting it down, a massive gap, and then the next best defense. Really, they are stopping the rushing of guys like Daniels, Jackson, and Hurts at I think about 2-3 times as well as the rest of the league.

It is a familiar overall philosophy....we do not think you can string 10-15 plays together against our defense consistently enough to win. Most teams can not. The Eagles were able to.

[Steeler-in-west]

The poor play of Moore and Jones along with their rookie friends along the Steelers offensive line has little to do with whether or not the Steelers bring more than 4. Teams are getting pressure on Wilson without big blitzes because the Steelers O line still leaks like a sieve at times.

I suspect the Steelers are rushing four more than you think. I also suspect that when they leave anyone not named Porter all alone in single coverage...it is dicey at best. Bishop has been roasted at various times this season. Some games he got beat like a drum. Jackson has balanced INTs with getting toasted. The next play Cam Sutton makes will be the first in 2024.

Another factor in the Steelers not blitzing the house, is the amount of running QBs they have played this season. And they seem to have taken an approach to containing those guys within the pocket rather than risking them getting big scrambles. The numbers against running QBs are the Steelers just totally shutting it down, a massive gap, and then the next best defense. Really, they are stopping the rushing of guys like Daniels, Jackson, and Hurts at I think about 2-3 times as well as the rest of the league.

It is a familiar overall philosophy....we do not think you can string 10-15 plays together against our defense consistently enough to win. Most teams can not. The Eagles were able to.

lets see how many times they rush more than 4 today. It’ll be interesting to see its effectiveness. Your right though, except for the eagles game and the short week against Cleveland it worked. I will say in spite of our trouble against Hurts, it still came down to an unforced error by Najee, otherwise this game is a dogfight

[El Kabong]

jfhf

[that1guy]

How can anyone defend Tomlin after another late season collapse and no playoff wins in nearly a decade

[Steeldude]

How can anyone defend Tomlin after another late season collapse and no playoff wins in nearly a decade

They will find a way, as always. Tomlin could go 0-17 and they will blame everyone, but Tomlin.

[Mojouw]

The Steelers are a borderline playoff team that played an easy first half of the schedule and are now struggling as they face superior SB caliber teams.

This is neither difficult to see nor hard to predict.

The hype that this team was a 12+ win dark horse SB team was just silly.

[oneforthetoe]

The poor play of Moore and Jones along with their rookie friends along the Steelers offensive line has little to do with whether or not the Steelers bring more than 4. Teams are getting pressure on Wilson without big blitzes because the Steelers O line still leaks like a sieve at times.

I suspect the Steelers are rushing four more than you think. I also suspect that when they leave anyone not named Porter all alone in single coverage...it is dicey at best. Bishop has been roasted at various times this season. Some games he got beat like a drum. Jackson has balanced INTs with getting toasted. The next play Cam Sutton makes will be the first in 2024.

Another factor in the Steelers not blitzing the house, is the amount of running QBs they have played this season. And they seem to have taken an approach to containing those guys within the pocket rather than risking them getting big scrambles. The numbers against running QBs are the Steelers just totally shutting it down, a massive gap, and then the next best defense. Really, they are stopping the rushing of guys like Daniels, Jackson, and Hurts at I think about 2-3 times as well as the rest of the league.

It is a familiar overall philosophy....we do not think you can string 10-15 plays together against our defense consistently enough to win. Most teams can not. The Eagles were able to.


I agree with that mobile QB statement. I think the defensive philosophy of bring four most of the time does work if your secondary is decent. And all your pass rushers our healthy. I believe we have a decent secondary when we are healthy. I know, no excuses, next man up and all. But the fact is the guys playing in our secondary today were not as talented as the one's who played in the first Raven's matchup. also, Henry was loaded to bear today either way probably but having backups in your secondary also effects the run defense.

[Steeler-in-west]

1 sack, 0 Qb hits.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Steelers Mike Tomlin on Ravens Loss: 'Don’t control run game or turnovers should expect to lose'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lc6t5dz8ck

[hawaiiansteeler]

We punted on 4th and 2, down 19 points with under 7 minutes left.

That would get some head coaches fired.

FIRE Tomlin!!!

[Steeldude]

We punted on 4th and 2, down 19 points with under 7 minutes left.

That would get some head coaches fired.

FIRE Tomlin!!!

That doesn't apply to "certain" coaches

[hawaiiansteeler]

BLUNT Mike Tomlin CALLS the Steelers a "JUNIOR VARSITY" team after Christmas LOSS to Chiefs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mQfTBwJVhg

[Voice of Reason]

We punted on 4th and 2, down 19 points with under 7 minutes left.

That would get some head coaches fired

But don't you know, if we fired this one he would have another job in five minutes. :frusty:

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

Sure somebody else will take Tomlin quickly but he will have the same or lesser results wherever he goes, his ceiling for coaching was the loss to Green Bay in the Superbowl. He probably should have been let go in around 2013. The message is stale and needs refreshing from another young coach and we are never gonna know those results unless the front office pulls the trigger. He just got an extension so I doubt anything is gonna happen in the near term. 2 people that need to be fired immediately are the defensive coordinator and the offensive line coach.

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[Steel Peon]

If he can't manage a playoff win this year with the supposed talent we have, then we absolutely need to start shopping for a HC, because he's out there somewhere just waiting to be found.

[hawaiiansteeler]

The Mike Tomlin Problem

The Steelers’ head coach needs to evolve

By Jarrett Bailey Dec 27, 2024

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2024/12/27/24330335/the-mike-tomlin-problem-pittsburgh-steelers-bill-cowher-russell-wilson-ben-roethlisberger-tj-watt

[El Kabong]

The Mike Tomlin Problem

The Steelers’ head coach needs to evolve

By Jarrett Bailey Dec 27, 2024

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2024/12/27/24330335/the-mike-tomlin-problem-pittsburgh-steelers-bill-cowher-russell-wilson-ben-roethlisberger-tj-watt
"They took Kenny Pickett in the first round of the 2022 NFL Draft, and it is one of the worst picks in recent memory by any team."

:boink:

[86WARD]

"They took Kenny Pickett in the first round of the 2022 NFL Draft, and it is one of the worst picks in recent memory by any team."

:boink:

Classic example of drafting need over BPA.

[Mojouw]

Kevin Colbert drafted Kenny Pickett.

Watt, Minkah, et al are not “wasted” - they’re a big part of whatever games have been won since they joined the team

The rest of it has been argued ad naseum.

Whoever wrote that is a hack and a putz.

[Voice of Reason]

The Mike Tomlin Problem

The Steelers’ head coach needs to evolve

By Jarrett Bailey Dec 27, 2024

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2024/12/27/24330335/the-mike-tomlin-problem-pittsburgh-steelers-bill-cowher-russell-wilson-ben-roethlisberger-tj-watt

Interesting how he says "This is not a Fire Tomlin column", and then goes on to make a very compelling case why Tomlin should be fired.

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"They took Kenny Pickett in the first round of the 2022 NFL Draft, and it is one of the worst picks in recent memory by any team."

Another example of how Tomlin's incompetence has totally trashed Kenny's reputation.

[Steeler-in-west]

Kevin Colbert drafted Kenny Pickett.

Watt, Minkah, et al are not “wasted” - they’re a big part of whatever games have been won since they joined the team

The rest of it has been argued ad naseum.

Whoever wrote that is a hack and a putz.

i would guess the KP pick was a group decision. Tomlin, Colbert, Rooney, maybe input from Canada too.

[Born2Steel]

The team is competing this season.

The playoffs were achieved early. We can let players rest and get healthy if we want. We still have a shot at the division title if we want to pursue that.

The offense, even with it's struggles is so much better under OC Smith than it looked at it's absolute best under OC Canada. 18th in Total Offense. The OL has looked very promising. GP has been incredible. But we are ahead of only the Giants in RedZone offense, and 25th in Passing offense. Every other offensive category we rank in the top15. This next draft will probably be offense heavy as the rebuild continues.

The Steelers are ranked 11th in total defense. 6th in Rushing defense. 24th in passing defense. 8th in scoring defense. 4th in 3rd down defense. And 16th in RedZone defense. We are 3rd in Ints and 2nd in Forced Fumbles. We have dropped off in Pass Rush stats, 19th in Sacks, and 26th in QB Hurries. But we rank 9th in Passes Defensed. The Pass Rush falling off is worrisome because we have improved at OLB and ILB.

I like Omar Khan as GM.

I like Mike Tomlin as HC.

I like Arthur Smith as OC

I'm not impressed with Teryl Austin as DC.

Boz is MVP.

[tube517]

The team is competing this season.

The playoffs were achieved early. We can let players rest and get healthy if we want. We still have a shot at the division title if we want to pursue that.

The offense, even with it's struggles is so much better under OC Smith than it looked at it's absolute best under OC Canada. 18th in Total Offense. The OL has looked very promising. GP has been incredible. But we are ahead of only the Giants in RedZone offense, and 25th in Passing offense. Every other offensive category we rank in the top15. This next draft will probably be offense heavy as the rebuild continues.

The Steelers are ranked 11th in total defense. 6th in Rushing defense. 24th in passing defense. 8th in scoring defense. 4th in 3rd down defense. And 16th in RedZone defense. We are 3rd in Ints and 2nd in Forced Fumbles. We have dropped off in Pass Rush stats, 19th in Sacks, and 26th in QB Hurries. But we rank 9th in Passes Defensed. The Pass Rush falling off is worrisome because we have improved at OLB and ILB.

I like Omar Khan as GM.

I like Mike Tomlin as HC.

I like Arthur Smith as OC

I'm not impressed with Teryl Austin as DC.

Boz is MVP.Add: I am not impressed with Pat Myers

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[Steeldude]

BLUNT Mike Tomlin CALLS the Steelers a "JUNIOR VARSITY" team after Christmas LOSS to Chiefs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mQfTBwJVhg

Well they have a Pop Warner coach

[Voice of Reason]

The offense, even with it's struggles is so much better under OC Smith than it looked at it's absolute best under OC Canada. 18th in Total Offense. The OL has looked very promising. GP has been incredible. But we are ahead of only the Giants in RedZone offense, and 25th in Passing offense. Every other offensive category we rank in the top15. This next draft will probably be offense heavy as the rebuild continues.

The Steelers are ranked 11th in total defense. 6th in Rushing defense. 24th in passing defense. 8th in scoring defense. 4th in 3rd down defense. And 16th in RedZone defense. We are 3rd in Ints and 2nd in Forced Fumbles. We have dropped off in Pass Rush stats, 19th in Sacks, and 26th in QB Hurries. But we rank 9th in Passes Defensed.


Yet if we lose to Cincy next week we will have the exact same record as last year.

[DesertSteel]

Yet if we lose to Cincy next week we will have the exact same record as last year.
We all know you’re wishing for that.

[Born2Steel]

Yet if we lose to Cincy next week we will have the exact same record as last year.

There was a thread early in the season, maybe pre-season about expectations for this season. Remember back to that time. We had a completely new QB room. We had no idea who would be playing OT, had a rookie starting at Center due to Herbig on IR, and pretty early we also lost Daniels and Seumalo. New QB room, patchwork OL. Lots of those expectations was a losing record. My own expectation was same as last year, better than last year would be a bonus, and making and winning a playoff game would be a great achievement. Think about this now. We are already at where we were last season, so expectations met. If we win next week, expectations surpassed. If we win a playoff game, we will have achieved greatness based on expectation.

Bring it on! Let's GO!

[86WARD]

There was a thread early in the season, maybe pre-season about expectations for this season. Remember back to that time. We had a completely new QB room. We had no idea who would be playing OT, had a rookie starting at Center due to Herbig on IR, and pretty early we also lost Daniels and Seumalo. New QB room, patchwork OL. Lots of those expectations was a losing record. My own expectation was same as last year, better than last year would be a bonus, and making and winning a playoff game would be a great achievement. Think about this now. We are already at where we were last season, so expectations met. If we win next week, expectations surpassed. If we win a playoff game, we will have achieved greatness based on expectation.

Bring it on! Let's GO!

Expectations have been passed. They are playing a much harder schedule than they did last season. I think early expectations, for me were 7-9 wins because of the harder schedule so to get to 10 and maybe 11, but probably 10 is more than they should’ve gotten IMO.

[cubanstogie]

There was a thread early in the season, maybe pre-season about expectations for this season. Remember back to that time. We had a completely new QB room. We had no idea who would be playing OT, had a rookie starting at Center due to Herbig on IR, and pretty early we also lost Daniels and Seumalo. New QB room, patchwork OL. Lots of those expectations was a losing record. My own expectation was same as last year, better than last year would be a bonus, and making and winning a playoff game would be a great achievement. Think about this now. We are already at where we were last season, so expectations met. If we win next week, expectations surpassed. If we win a playoff game, we will have achieved greatness based on expectation.

Bring it on! Let's GO!
He won’t see success because he roots against it. We are where we are every year. Now it’s time to win playoff games. Can’t win em if you’re not in. The guy doesn’t know what roses smell like.

[Voice of Reason]

We all know you’re wishing for that.

It's amazing the amount of projection I see on this site.

[Voice of Reason]

There was a thread early in the season, maybe pre-season about expectations for this season. Remember back to that time. We had a completely new QB room. We had no idea who would be playing OT, had a rookie starting at Center due to Herbig on IR, and pretty early we also lost Daniels and Seumalo. New QB room, patchwork OL. Lots of those expectations was a losing record. My own expectation was same as last year, better than last year would be a bonus, and making and winning a playoff game would be a great achievement. Think about this now. We are already at where we were last season, so expectations met. If we win next week, expectations surpassed. If we win a playoff game, we will have achieved greatness based on expectation.

Bring it on! Let's GO!

So it's not Tomlin's fault for being mediocre. It's the fans' fault for expecting more. :frusty:

[Voice of Reason]

The guy doesn’t know what roses smell like.

I know exactly what roses smell like. I was there for six Super Bowl wins. And what I've been smelling for the past ten years is NOT roses.

You really think that not winning even one playoff game in seven years smells like roses? :huh:

[86WARD]

Small penis man still being confrontational?

[Born2Steel]

So it's not Tomlin's fault for being mediocre. It's the fans' fault for expecting more. :frusty:
No. Reading comprehension. Using the entire message and not just cherry pick 1 sentence. This concept is important for discussion and communication.

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I was there for six Super Bowl wins. :huh:


So were we all.

[Voice of Reason]

Small penis man still being confrontational?

So all this talk about you "ignoring" me was bullshit, just like I thought. :boink:

[Voice of Reason]

No. Reading comprehension. Using the entire message and not just cherry pick 1 sentence. This concept is important for discussion and communication.

I DID use the entire message. I accurately summarized the point of your entire message. If you're now embarrassed that what I said really WAS the point of your entire message, that's on you.

[cubanstogie]

So all this talk about you "ignoring" me was bullshit, just like I thought. :boink:
He didnt quote you. How’d you know he was referring to you. Oh wait , I see now. Lmao.

[Born2Steel]

I DID use the entire message. I accurately summarized the point of your entire message. If you're now embarrassed that what I said really WAS the point of your entire message, that's on you.
I need to make 1 edit to my post. We can finish no worse than the 6th seed this season. Last season we finished as the 7th seed. This season is already better than last season whatever happens from now.

[Mojouw]

I need to make 1 edit to my post. We can finish no worse than the 6th seed this season. Last season we finished as the 7th seed. This season is already better than last season whatever happens from now.

Yup. Good to keep that in mind.

[Steeldude]

So it's not Tomlin's fault for being mediocre. It's the fans' fault for expecting more. :frusty:

It's Tomlin-fan logic 101

[Voice of Reason]

I need to make 1 edit to my post. We can finish no worse than the 6th seed this season. Last season we finished as the 7th seed. This season is already better than last season whatever happens from now.

If the Steelers lose against Cincy their regular season record will be 10-7, same as last year. If that record gets them a slightly higher seed it won't be because the Steelers were any better this year, it will be because at least one the other wild card teams that made the playoffs this year was worse. And if they then lose their first playoff game then this season would be EXACTLY the same as last year.

[86WARD]

I need to make 1 edit to my post. We can finish no worse than the 6th seed this season. Last season we finished as the 7th seed. This season is already better than last season whatever happens from now.

Don’t forget they also played a much harder schedule than they did in 2023 and still achieved the same record.

[cubanstogie]

If the Steelers lose against Cincy their regular season record will be 10-7, same as last year. If that record gets them a slightly higher seed it won't be because the Steelers were any better this year, it will be because at least one the other wild card teams that made the playoffs this year was worse. And if they then lose their first playoff game then this season would be EXACTLY the same as last year.
Always a half empty glass. Steelers offense better in scoring by 5 points a game , yards, time of possession and point differential. 20 TD passes by QBs compared to 13 in one less game. So yes offensively Steelers better . At least until you throw out stats you don’t like.

[DesertSteel]

Always a half empty glass.
Only thing left in his glass are his dentures.

[Born2Steel]

If the Steelers lose against Cincy their regular season record will be 10-7, same as last year. If that record gets them a slightly higher seed it won't be because the Steelers were any better this year, it will be because at least one the other wild card teams that made the playoffs this year was worse. And if they then lose their first playoff game then this season would be EXACTLY the same as last year.
Now you agree with my previous post?

[El Kabong]

I do remember before the season someone posting that the Steelers could be a better team this year but have a worse record because of how difficult the schedule is.

[86WARD]

I do remember before the season someone posting that the Steelers could be a better team this year but have a worse record because of how difficult the schedule is.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/kulp9iNdguU1O/giphy.gif

[Voice of Reason]

Don’t forget they also played a much harder schedule than they did in 2023 and still achieved the same record.

Not "much harder", only slightly harder. Playing the 49ers at the start of last season was equivalent to playing the Eagles at the end of this season. The only thing that made this season's schedule harder was having to play the Chiefs, but that was only one game.

[Voice of Reason]

Always a half empty glass. Steelers offense better in scoring by 5 points a game , yards, time of possession and point differential. 20 TD passes by QBs compared to 13 in one less game. So yes offensively Steelers better . At least until you throw out stats you don’t like.

If we lose to Cincy the regular season win-loss will be the same, and if we lose the first playoff game the playoff record will be the same. Only in some warped fantasy world of yours would that make this season better.

[feltdizz]

Not "much harder", only slightly harder. Playing the 49ers at the start of last season was equivalent to playing the Eagles at the end of this season. The only thing that made this season's schedule harder was having to play the Chiefs, but that was only one game.

and remember losing bad to the 49ers soured a lot of fans because we looked great in the preseason.

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Always a half empty glass. Steelers offense better in scoring by 5 points a game , yards, time of possession and point differential. 20 TD passes by QBs compared to 13 in one less game. So yes offensively Steelers better . At least until you throw out stats you don’t like.

yeah, we definitely improved against bad teams when it comes to points. The issue is against good teams we look the same as last year. We struggle to score points or stop teams

[DesertSteel]

If we lose to Cincy the regular season win-loss will be the same, and if we lose the first playoff game the playoff record will be the same. Only in some warped fantasy world of yours would that make this season better.
At least it would give you a happy new year.

[86WARD]

At least it would give you a happy new year.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/rgk1DxSugZDFu/giphy.gif

[Voice of Reason]

At least it would give you a happy new year.

Snarky comment for a guy who's being proven wrong to be giving to a guy who's being proven right. :boink:

[DesertSteel]

Snarky comment for a guy who's being proven wrong to be giving to a guy who's being proven right. :boink:
I don't even know what that sentence means after reading three times. MIKE TOMLIN will still be coach when you're in the grave.

[Voice of Reason]

I don't even know what that sentence means after reading three times. MIKE TOMLIN will still be coach when you're in the grave.

Maybe this guy can explain it to you:


I love watching football. But I really don’t like watching the Steelers anymore. Their style of keeping it close just unsettles me the whole time. With other games I just relax and enjoy the competition. I’m thinking it’s time for a change.

:boink: :boink: :boink:

[Steeldude]

Don't worry. Tomlin will fix it. Haha

[Dwinsgames]

common denominator ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ggk5_l5WsAAbnHB?format=jpg&name=medium

[Mojouw]

Bottom 5 QB?

[SteeleReign]

It's pretty clear that the Canada hire and Pickett selection have set the franchise back for a few seasons.

I'm more concerned with what the plan is for 2025, 26, etc...

It would be a shame to see guys like Watt and Minkah play their best years without a single playoff run.

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[steelcityboyz]

I'm more concerned with what the plan is for 2025, 26, etc...



Sent from my SM-S901U using TapatalkThe same plan they have been doing. Nothing changes from year to year

[SteeleReign]

Whatever the plan is, it has to start with a franchise QB. One that can compete with Lamar, Joe Cool, Mahomes and Josh Allen.

That's gonna be a tough box to check.

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[Steeler-in-west]

Its not as simple as just getting a franchise Qb and were set. We had prime Ben from 2010-2018, and ended up with 3-6 playoff record. Its going to take a bit more this time.

[SteeleReign]

Its not as simple as just getting a franchise Qb and were set. We had prime Ben from 2010-2018, and ended up with 3-6 playoff record. Its going to take a bit more this time.Agreed. It needs to START there.

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[oneforthetoe]

Its not as simple as just getting a franchise Qb and were set. We had prime Ben from 2010-2018, and ended up with 3-6 playoff record. Its going to take a bit more this time.

True. But don't forget the difference between a franchise QB on his rookie contract and one on his second or third contract. It can be done obviously. However, it is much more difficult.

[hawaiiansteeler]

With Greg Popovich stepping down as the head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, Mike Tomlin is now the longest tenured head coach in American Pro Sports (MLB NFL NBA MLS).

[Voice of Reason]

With Greg Popovich stepping down as the head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, Mike Tomlin is now the longest tenured head coach in American Pro Sports (MLB NFL NBA MLS).

Does he also also have the distinction of being the current head coach with the longest current record of not eliminating any opponent in the playoffs?

[hawaiiansteeler]

Ryan Clark urges Mike Tomlin to leave Steelers: ‘His voice has run stale’

PENNLIVE.COM | Thursday, May 15, 2025

https://triblive.com/sports/ryan-clark-urges-mike-tomlin-to-leave-steelers-his-voice-has-run-stale/

[Mojouw]

These arguments might hold some validity if the team wasn’t fielding garbage at QB. The past several years; this team is an underdog every Sunday.

[ETL]

These arguments might hold some validity if the team wasn’t fielding garbage at QB. The past several years; this team is an underdog every Sunday.

agree. The greatest coach in nfl history - belichick was garbage when he didn’t have a qB. People just want easy changes - “Replace the coach! … Make me feel better like we’re doing something”

[Mojouw]

agree. The greatest coach in nfl history - belichick was garbage when he didn’t have a qB. People just want easy changes - “Replace the coach! … Make me feel better like we’re doing something”

Not only no QB but one of the worst WR groups, mediocre RBs, overrated TEs, and the unproven OL.

The Canada effect didn’t help either.

Honestly, aside from Minkah, Watt, Heyward, Highsmith, Queen, and Metcalf - who on the roster would be guaranteed a starting spot on another playoff team if they were cut tomorrow?

[pczach]

Not only no QB but one of the worst WR groups, mediocre RBs, overrated TEs, and the unproven OL.

The Canada effect didn’t help either.

Honestly, aside from Minkah, Watt, Heyward, Highsmith, Queen, and Metcalf - who on the roster would be guaranteed a starting spot on another playoff team if they were cut tomorrow?


Depending on the team, probably Frazier and Freiermuth....maybe Elliot. There are even some players on the OL or a guy like Peyton Wilson that might be better than players at their positions on individual teams. That would make 9 players that could start for some of the teams, and maybe a couple more. The rookie running back hasn't shown anything yet but he could be a great player....as well as some of the other rookies. If he actually signs with the team, even Aaron Rodgers may be an upgrade for a couple teams that make the playoffs. We simply don't know how many excellent players they have from this season at this time.

You have to literally do the same list with every other team to get an idea of how many high-level players they have on their rosters. Most teams don't have as many great players as you think.

[Mojouw]

Depending on the team, probably Frazier and Freiermuth....maybe Elliot. There are even some players on the OL or a guy like Peyton Wilson that might be better than players at their positions on individual teams. That would make 9 players that could start for some of the teams, and maybe a couple more. The rookie running back hasn't shown anything yet but he could be a great player....as well as some of the other rookies. If he actually signs with the team, even Aaron Rodgers may be an upgrade for a couple teams that make the playoffs. We simply don't know how many excellent players they have from this season at this time.

You have to literally do the same list with every other team to get an idea of how many high-level players they have on their rosters. Most teams don't have as many great players as you think.

Good points.

But the idea that the Steelers of recent vintage are “supposed” to beat most teams is more than a little suspect.

They’re a rebuilding team. Not a playoff caliber team much less a “contender”.

They’ve collected a number of highly promising young(er) players. But they’ve still significantly undermanned at key spots.

I think they’re in a good path. Imagine if in 2026 they pull a guy say at Drake Maye’s level at QB….that shifts everything.

[Voice of Reason]

Not only no QB but one of the worst WR groups, mediocre RBs, overrated TEs, and the unproven OL.

The Canada effect didn’t help either.

Honestly, aside from Minkah, Watt, Heyward, Highsmith, Queen, and Metcalf - who on the roster would be guaranteed a starting spot on another playoff team if they were cut tomorrow?

Once again, for about the 1,000th time on this board, the Tomlin apologists are acting as if he had nothing to do with the roster. :deadhorse:

[Steeldude]

Once again, for about the 1,000th time on this board, the Tomlin apologists are acting as if he had nothing to do with the roster. :deadhorse:

Standard operating procedure.

[oneforthetoe]

Not only no QB but one of the worst WR groups, mediocre RBs, overrated TEs, and the unproven OL.

The Canada effect didn’t help either.

Honestly, aside from Minkah, Watt, Heyward, Highsmith, Queen, and Metcalf - who on the roster would be guaranteed a starting spot on another playoff team if they were cut tomorrow?

I would think Porter would definitely be starting on over three quarters of the teams in this league. Frazier, "Muth", Benton, Seumalo and Elliot would start on over half the teams in the league maybe. I also think there are possibly two rookies making that list.

Now if your point is that fans tend to overrate their team's rosters, that is valid point. There have been many Steelers' players in recent years who were much overrated, particularly towards the end of their carriers. One example I can think of at the moment would be Pouncy. He is still a borderline Hall of Famer, but his last 4 years or so he was pretty average.

If we got a true "franchise QB" with the roster, I think we would rise to the level of the best teams pretty quickly.

[pczach]

I would think Porter would definitely be starting on over three quarters of the teams in this league. Frazier, "Muth", Benton, Seumalo and Elliot would start on over half the teams in the league maybe. I also think there are possibly two rookies making that list.

Now if your point is that fans tend to overrate their team's rosters, that is valid point. There have been many Steelers' players in recent years who were much overrated, particularly towards the end of their carriers. One example I can think of at the moment would be Pouncy. He is still a borderline Hall of Famer, but his last 4 years or so he was pretty average.

If we got a true "franchise QB" with the roster, I think we would rise to the level of the best teams pretty quickly.


That's a good call on Porter. I had a brain fart and completely forgot about him.

[Mojouw]

I forgot Porter as well.

But, yeah, the idea is we all tend to overate the roster.

[Born2Steel]

The last 3 drafts we have taken 5OL and 6DL. Includes Herbig and Sawyer with the DL. Building from the trenches seems to be the plan. If these guys stick, probably move on to secondary next. Maybe another 2nd round WR. We are not gonna take ourselves completely out of being able to compete each week. Just not our style.

[Born2Steel]

Pouncey made 9 ProBowls and was AllPro 5 times. This is in 11 years. He is credit with only 16 sacks allowed for his career. Maybe just my opinion, but I think he's better than border-line HoF. I would wager he gets in. It just takes OL a long time typically.

[oneforthetoe]

Pouncey made 9 ProBowls and was AllPro 5 times. This is in 11 years. He is credit with only 16 sacks allowed for his career. Maybe just my opinion, but I think he's better than border-line HoF. I would wager he gets in. It just takes OL a long time typically.

I would vote him in if I had a vote as well. He will likely get in eventually but, in part because of the position he plays, he will have a long wait.

I still think my favorite play of his came against a team I can't remember, but I am thinking it was the Ravens. Anyways somebody gets under his pads and literally drives him straight back. However, he never loses contact, Ben side steps and throws the ball complete down the field. It was amazing to me. He got drove back like a tackling dummy on ice skates but because he never lost contact with the d'lineman, and Ben had such great pocket presence, it ended up being an effective block.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Pouncey made 9 ProBowls and was AllPro 5 times. This is in 11 years. He is credit with only 16 sacks allowed for his career. Maybe just my opinion, but I think he's better than border-line HoF. I would wager he gets in. It just takes OL a long time typically.

I don't believe Pouncey ever gets into the HOF.

[Born2Steel]

I don't believe Pouncey ever gets into the HOF.
I don't know what carries more weight with the voters, but 9 pro bowls in 11 seasons seems pretty strong to me. 3-2nd team all-pro, and 2-1st team all-pro awards is not nothing as well. Time will tell. He won't be first ballot but may get in after a 'Faneca' type wait.

[Hawkman]

I don't know what carries more weight with the voters, but 9 pro bowls in 11 seasons seems pretty strong to me. 3-2nd team all-pro, and 2-1st team all-pro awards is not nothing as well. Time will tell. He won't be first ballot but may get in after a 'Faneca' type wait.

It’s a shame that he was hurt for SB. Not that the outcome would be any different, but I know he would’ve loved being out there.

[ETL]

I don't believe Pouncey ever gets into the HOF.

I wonder if already having two Steeler centers in the HOF hurts Pouncey’s chances

[hawaiiansteeler]

I wonder if already having two Steeler centers in the HOF hurts Pouncey’s chances

Yes, I believe that's one of the big reasons why Pouncey won't ever get in.

[El Kabong]

I would vote him in if I had a vote as well. He will likely get in eventually but, in part because of the position he plays, he will have a long wait.

I still think my favorite play of his came against a team I can't remember, but I am thinking it was the Ravens. Anyways somebody gets under his pads and literally drives him straight back. However, he never loses contact, Ben side steps and throws the ball complete down the field. It was amazing to me. He got drove back like a tackling dummy on ice skates but because he never lost contact with the d'lineman, and Ben had such great pocket presence, it ended up being an effective block.
My least favorite play is his sailing the ball over Ben's head in a playoff game.

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It’s a shame that he was hurt for SB. Not that the outcome would be any different, but I know he would’ve loved being out there.
It might have been different. I seem to remember that on Ben's pick six, Pouncey's replacement was driven back into the pocket. If Pouncey was playing, does he make an effective block? Does Ben not throw a pick six there? Do the Steelers go on to win?

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Yes, I believe that's one of the big reasons why Pouncey won't ever get in.
That should have nothing whatsoever to do with it. Politics.

[hawaiiansteeler]

That should have nothing whatsoever to do with it. Politics.

I agree, but the key word here is "should".

Unfortunately, I believe that it does.

[tube517]

Yes, I believe that's one of the big reasons why Pouncey won't ever get in.

Yeah jackholes like Peter King have a vote.

[Voice of Reason]

Now that the "Fire Tomlin" thread has become the "Pouncy HOF" thread, it's not as much fun. :zzz:

[lipps83]

Yes, I believe that's one of the big reasons why Pouncey won't ever get in.

There will probably be a backup for HOF entry once Frazier retires.

[Born2Steel]

Yes, I believe that's one of the big reasons why Pouncey won't ever get in.

That may be accurate. Steelers go from Webster to Dawson to Pouncey to hopefully Frazier being HoF worthy Steelers Centers. But then there is the already long wait for OL and add in the bias against Steelers players getting in, due to so many in already. It could be a forever wait.

[Mojouw]

Pouncey won't get it anytime soon. Hrsnot generally seen as a HOF caoiner player. Particularly amongst non-Steelers focused observers.

[Born2Steel]

Pouncey won't get it anytime soon. Hrsnot generally seen as a HOF caoiner player. Particularly amongst non-Steelers focused observers.
I've posted his achievements, why do you think non-Steelers don't see that as an HoF career? Not arguing your point, just curious what is the criteria then? Across the board I mean. Is a SB victory mandatory?

I guess you could say he did all he did in 9 seasons. He missed the entire 2015 season and only played 1 game for the 2013 season. Which means he reached the pro bowl every single season he played, and made all-pro 5 out of 9 seasons. He was a rookie in 2010, so the only thing missing really is a ring. I don't know why he doesn't qualify other than 'not another Steeler' bias.

Interesting conversation though. Dawson, who played Center 12 seasons, made 7 pro bowls and had 6 all-pro seasons. He played on the SB team in '95. HoF 2012. If looking at numbers they match pretty evenly. I think so anyway.

[Mojouw]

I've posted his achievements, why do you think non-Steelers don't see that as an HoF career? Not arguing your point, just curious what is the criteria then? Across the board I mean. Is a SB victory mandatory?

I guess you could say he did all he did in 9 seasons. He missed the entire 2015 season and only played 1 game for the 2013 season. Which means he reached the pro bowl every single season he played, and made all-pro 5 out of 9 seasons. He was a rookie in 2010, so the only thing missing really is a ring. I don't know why he doesn't qualify other than 'not another Steeler' bias.

Interesting conversation though. Dawson, who played Center 12 seasons, made 7 pro bowls and had 6 all-pro seasons. He played on the SB team in '95. HoF 2012. If looking at numbers they match pretty evenly. I think so anyway.

Dawson was viewed as the best in the league at his position for most, if not all of his career. Dawson did things on the field that almost no other center was capable of among his contemporaries.

Pouncey was never viewed as the singular best center in the league. He wasn't really performing as the premier player in his own OL group. For me, Pouncey could make the Steelers Hall of Fame and the NFL Hall of Very Good. The difference is that Dawson was the acknowledged best at his position for most of the years he played. Pouncey was likely behind Saturday, Mack, and a few others.

[Born2Steel]

Maurkice Pouncey is also on the all decade team 2010's Center with Alex Mack.

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/2020/04/nfls-all-decade-team-of-the-2010s-offense/

Like I said, the only thing missing really is a ring.

[Mojouw]

Maurkice Pouncey is also on the all decade team 2010's Center with Alex Mack.

https://www.profootballhof.com/news/2020/04/nfls-all-decade-team-of-the-2010s-offense/

Like I said, the only thing missing really is a ring.

Maybe. I just don't remember many thinking/talking about Pouncey being the BEST center of his era. There are not a great number of centers in the HOF and most took a long time to get in.

Saturday, Kelce, Mangold, Mack, and Pouncey.

Kelce and Saturday likely get in and get judged as a bit better than Pouncey. Mangold, Mack, and Pouncey maybe get lumped together. Might harm each of their cases.

I am not sure I am right in how I am looking at any of this. But I just don't see what makes Pouncey stand out and there are only 7 centers in the HOF in total. Seven.

But I am also a weirdo and do not think that Ward and Harrison should get in either. But I would put

[El Kabong]

I agree Dawson > Pouncey.

[Born2Steel]

Maybe. I just don't remember many thinking/talking about Pouncey being the BEST center of his era. There are not a great number of centers in the HOF and most took a long time to get in.

Saturday, Kelce, Mangold, Mack, and Pouncey.

Kelce and Saturday likely get in and get judged as a bit better than Pouncey. Mangold, Mack, and Pouncey maybe get lumped together. Might harm each of their cases.

I am not sure I am right in how I am looking at any of this. But I just don't see what makes Pouncey stand out and there are only 7 centers in the HOF in total. Seven.

But I am also a weirdo and do not think that Ward and Harrison should get in either. But I would put

Is that part of it? I was only looking at Pouncey's numbers and awards. I wasn't comparing him to Mack or Saturday or Kelce, just does HIS career look worthy of the Hall. His stats and awards are equal to Dawson. Looking at HIS numbers only, what keeps HIM out exactly?

But if we are comparing, Saturday, Kelce, Mangold, Mack, and Pouncey, Pouncey has just as many pro bowls and all-pros as any of those guys if not more. So....what is the criteria? I'm honestly asking and not trying to argue point/counterpoint.

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I agree Dawson > Pouncey.

I honestly don't disagree with you. BUT.... being better or worse than Dawson is not a criteria for getting into the HoF.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I agree Dawson > Pouncey.

Not even close.

[oneforthetoe]

Better question would be Dawson <> Webster.

My opinion: Dawson was actually a better overall center. He could do thinks like pulling from the center position that Webster could not do. However, I think Webster was more dominate in his era. Very few centers could handle Dt's one on one consistently in his era and that fact that Webster was able to do that was part of the secret sauce of the Steelers run game back in the day.

[Mojouw]

Watching a replay of Cowboys Steelers SB

Imagining the GameDay thread comments.

Dorsett has 50 yards rushing before the end of the first quarter.

Couoleof badly missed blocks

Multiple wide-open receivers

Also everyone LOOKS SO SLOW.

[fansince'76]

Watching a replay of Cowboys Steelers SB

Imagining the GameDay thread comments.

People would have been jumping off of high ledges and declaring the game to be over after the Hegman/Henderson strip sack of Bradshaw for a TD that put the Cowboys up 14-7 early in the 2nd quarter. Not to mention the late comeback attempt that fell short when the Cowboys pretty much had stolen back all the momentum.

[Mojouw]

People would have been jumping off of high ledges and declaring the game to be over after the Hegman/Henderson strip sack of Bradshaw for a TD that put the Cowboys up 14-7 early in the 2nd quarter. Not to mention the late comeback attempt that fell short when the Cowboys pretty much had stolen back all the momentum.

For sure!

Too often people talk like those teams never made mistakes. Every time I see replays from that era; they're are lots of mistakes and/orguys getting beat. Just like any game ever.

But those teams had just so many incredible playmakers that they could almost overcome anything.

It was fun to watch.

[oneforthetoe]

For sure!

Too often people talk like those teams never made mistakes. Every time I see replays from that era; they're are lots of mistakes and/orguys getting beat. Just like any game ever.

But those teams had just so many incredible playmakers that they could almost overcome anything.

It was fun to watch.

Wow, this place is loading slow. You are spot on though. I still think the Steelers of the 70's had the greatest defense of all time because its dominance lasted longer than the Ravens or the Bears. Still, fans look back today and don't realize that even the greatest get had from time to time. Along with examples above, I seem to remember that OJ Simpson ran for 200+ yards on the "Steel Curtain" (who he was running from remains unknown). Also, I remember what Dan Fouts and the Chargers did to them towards the end of the 79 season. It might have been very fortunate that the Oilers upset the Chargers in the playoffs that year. Handling the Oilers and Earl (pinch between my cheek and gum) Campbell was something we were still good at.

[Mojouw]

Wow, this place is loading slow. You are spot on though. I still think the Steelers of the 70's had the greatest defense of all time because its dominance lasted longer than the Ravens or the Bears. Still, fans look back today and don't realize that even the greatest get had from time to time. Along with examples above, I seem to remember that OJ Simpson ran for 200+ yards on the "Steel Curtain" (who he was running from remains unknown). Also, I remember what Dan Fouts and the Chargers did to them towards the end of the 79 season. It might have been very fortunate that the Oilers upset the Chargers in the playoffs that year. Handling the Oilers and Earl (pinch between my cheek and gum) Campbell was something we were still good at.

Yeah...I am having nostalgia for dial-up...but anyways...those are some good examples.

For me, it confirms something I have been kinda thinking for a long time...those '70's teams are no longer remembered accurately by most fans. And that is understandable. They are remembered for their dominance and brilliance but we've forgotten about their (few) faults and mistakes. The Cowher era will soon be like that as well.

Basically when people gripe about the current state of the Steelers using these other eras as comparisons....it gets pretty hazy.

Also...while there were some incredible achievements and athletes on both sides in the game....the overall size./speed/strength is just so much more in the current NFL. It was really evident.

[Born2Steel]

Yeah...I am having nostalgia for dial-up...but anyways...those are some good examples.

For me, it confirms something I have been kinda thinking for a long time...those '70's teams are no longer remembered accurately by most fans. And that is understandable. They are remembered for their dominance and brilliance but we've forgotten about their (few) faults and mistakes. The Cowher era will soon be like that as well.

Basically when people gripe about the current state of the Steelers using these other eras as comparisons....it gets pretty hazy.

Also...while there were some incredible achievements and athletes on both sides in the game....the overall size./speed/strength is just so much more in the current NFL. It was really evident.
When telling a story from childhood I always start with, this is from a child's memory. What you say is the very reason why I do that. My mother and I can tell the same story about the same event from my childhood and it is two totally different experiences.

Those 70's Steelers were the very definition of championship football in my world. I did not care what the Packers or Dolphins had done prior. When the 49ers had their run I was convinced our team was still better. I think maybe the '95 SB is what completely shattered the illusion for me.

[tube517]

People would have been jumping off of high ledges and declaring the game to be over after the Hegman/Henderson strip sack of Bradshaw for a TD that put the Cowboys up 14-7 early in the 2nd quarter. Not to mention the late comeback attempt that fell short when the Cowboys pretty much had stolen back all the momentum.

Oh, some of the playoff games back in the 70s were sloppy. One playoff game vs the Colts they had 5 turnovers but won. Then the AFCC game vs the Raiders they had 7 turnovers and squeaked by 16-10. The 79 team was the sloppiest. Led the league with 50+ turnovers for the season. Fire NOLL! They left a 100 points on the field!

[Voice of Reason]

Basically when people gripe about the current state of the Steelers using these other eras as comparisons....it gets pretty hazy.

The Steelers of the 1970's regularly won Super Bowls. The Steelers of the 2020's have yet to win a single playoff game.

What's hazy about that comparison? Seems pretty clear to me.

P.S. Many thanks to whoever fixed the "slow-loading" problem.:salute:

[Voice of Reason]

One playoff game vs the Colts they had 5 turnovers but won.

Was that the one where the plane crashed into the stands?

[Born2Steel]

SB wins in the 70's
None in the 80's
None in the 90's
SB wins in the 2000's
None in the 2010's
So far none in the 2020's

I'm seeing a developing pattern.

[Mojouw]

The Steelers of the 1970's regularly won Super Bowls. The Steelers of the 2020's have yet to win a single playoff game.

What's hazy about that comparison? Seems pretty clear to me.

P.S. Many thanks to whoever fixed the "slow-loading" problem.:salute:

Personally, I get tired of people not remembering that whatever era they choose to lionize as the "gold standard" had a ton of mistakes and missed assignments along with whatever they liked about it. It isn't like those 70's SB teams played mistake free football every minute of every game for a decade. In just the one SB replay I watched for a bit this past weekend, there were multiple missed OL blocks, several coverages where a defender got absolutely roasted, and things like that. When those things happen now, people rush out and say things like "Noll would've never let this happen." or "Cowher didn't tolerate this nonsense". Or whatever.

Another example is that Dorsett rushed for 50+ yards before the end of the first quarter. When that happens now, people freak right the heck out about slow starts and poor coaching etc. But do we all just forget these things happened to the 70's Dynasty teams or is it somehow different when they did it?

I also get that comparisons between 5 decades difference of football is hard to do. It is barely even the same sport. But I do think we all remember the glory and achievements of our favorite eras of Steelers football and forget the pitfalls and lowlights.

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SB wins in the 70's
None in the 80's
None in the 90's
SB wins in the 2000's
None in the 2010's
So far none in the 2020's

I'm seeing a developing pattern.

Drafting the next big thing at QB in 2026 would put things on a path that aligns with the pattern...

[Born2Steel]

We went from 1979 until 2004 without winning a SB. Should have sold the team.

[Voice of Reason]

SB wins in the 70's
None in the 80's
None in the 90's
SB wins in the 2000's
None in the 2010's
So far none in the 2020's

I'm seeing a developing pattern.

No playoff wins in the 2017 season.
No playoff wins in the 2018 season.
No playoff wins in the 2019 season.
No playoff wins in the 2020 season.
No playoff wins in the 2021 season.
No playoff wins in the 2022 season.
No playoff wins in the 2023 season.
No playoff wins in the 2024 season.

I'm seeing a developing pattern.

[Voice of Reason]

Personally, I get tired of people not remembering that whatever era they choose to lionize as the "gold standard" had a ton of mistakes and missed assignments along with whatever they liked about it.

Straw man argument. Who here has ever said that the "gold standard" teams in Steelers history never made mistakes?

The actual point is that, unlike now, those "gold standard" teams did enough GOOD things to overcome those mistakes to the point that they were able to win playoff games and Super Bowls.

[Voice of Reason]

We went from 1979 until 2004 without winning a SB. Should have sold the team.

But during that stretch the longest that we went without at least winning a playoff game was four seasons.

[Mojouw]

Straw man argument. Who here has ever said that the "gold standard" teams in Steelers history never made mistakes?

The actual point is that, unlike now, those "gold standard" teams did enough GOOD things to overcome those mistakes to the point that they were able to win playoff games and Super Bowls.

As per usual, you've intentionally misunderstood the discussion in order to shoehorn in your only talking point.

[Born2Steel]

But during that stretch the longest that we went without at least winning a playoff game was four seasons.
Lol. I've been talking about SB wins, and for some reason you keep replying to my posts with playoffs. :pointlaugh:

[Mach1]

Lol. I've been talking about SB wins, and for some reason you keep replying to my posts with playoffs. :pointlaugh:

The only way Tomlin is going to a SB is if he buys a ticket.

[lipps83]

The only way Tomlin is going to a SB is if he buys a ticket.

He must have done that twice already.

[steelcityboyz]

He must have done that twice already.Yep, Cohwer took him the first time.

[El Kabong]

Yep, Cohwer took him the first time.
I didn't realize Cowher was still with the team in 2008.

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He must have done that twice already.
Three times counting with Tampa.

[Mach1]

I didn't realize Cowher was still with the team in 2008.

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Three times counting with Tampa.

I didn't realize he was a head coach in Tampa.

[Voice of Reason]

As per usual, you've intentionally misunderstood the discussion in order to shoehorn in your only talking point.

Oh really? Here is what you posted.


Personally, I get tired of people not remembering that whatever era they choose to lionize as the "gold standard" had a ton of mistakes and missed assignments along with whatever they liked about it.

Please tell me which people on here "don't remember" that the gold standard Steeler teams made mistakes, and show me their posts. This should be easy, since there must be many people who are regularly doing this since you are "getting tired" of them.

[Voice of Reason]

Lol. I've been talking about SB wins, and for some reason you keep replying to my posts with playoffs. :pointlaugh:

You were using your post about SB wins to imply that the failings of those teams during the era you mentioned (1979-2004) were comparable to the failings of the teams of today. I'm using playoff wins (actually non-wins) to point out that the Steelers recent failure to win playoff games hasn't been this bad since the bad old days before Chuck Noll became head coach.

[Voice of Reason]

I didn't realize he was a head coach in Tampa.

If he's going to count Tomlin as "going to a Super Bowl" when he was an assistant coach in Tampa, then I can sure as hell count Kenny as "going to a Super Bowl" when he was a backup in Philly. :boink:

[Born2Steel]

You were using your post about SB wins to imply that the failings of those teams during the era you mentioned (1979-2004) were comparable to the failings of the teams of today. I'm using playoff wins (actually non-wins) to point out that the Steelers recent failure to win playoff games hasn't been this bad since the bad old days before Chuck Noll became head coach.
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[Mojouw]

Oh really? Here is what you posted.



Please tell me which people on here "don't remember" that the gold standard Steeler teams made mistakes, and show me their posts. This should be easy, since there must be many people who are regularly doing this since you are "getting tired" of them.

Again, you're not reading everything that's part of the discussion. Just the bits you want to use to make the same noises you always make.

In my opening post on this topic, I specifically reference GameDay threads and other immediate reaction type discussion/posts.

Everyone else was able to understand that. At this point either you have a reading comprehension issue or you're being intentionally obtuse.

Maybe an adult literacy program at your local library?

[El Kabong]

If he's going to count Tomlin as "going to a Super Bowl" when he was an assistant coach in Tampa, then I can sure as hell count Kenny as "going to a Super Bowl" when he was a backup in Philly. :boink:
The statement was "The only way Tomlin is going to a Super Bowl is if he buys a ticket." I merely pointed out that Tomlin went to three Super Bowls without having to buy a ticket. I concede that Kenny didn't need to buy a ticket for the Super Bowl he went to, not that he had much to do with his team getting there and winning it. As secondary coach for the Bucs, I think Tomlin had more to do with the Bucs winning their Super Bowl than Kenny had to do with the Eagles winning theirs. :boink:

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I didn't realize he was a head coach in Tampa.
The statement was "The only way Tomlin is going to a Super Bowl is if he buys a ticket." I see no requirement in that statement that Tomlin had to be a head coach.