FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[st33lersguy]

I think that it would help if everyone stopped comparing Tomlin to Belichick.

Like him or not, Belichick is a genius. An immoral, cheating asshole... but, a genius nonetheless.


It is like we have a nice New York strip... and everyone is complaining that we don't have filet mignon (and many other have has McDonald's).

Agreed

[Count Steeler]

I think that it would help if everyone stopped comparing Tomlin to Belichick.

Like him or not, Belichick is a genius. An immoral, cheating asshole... but, a genius nonetheless.


It is like we have a nice New York strip... and everyone is complaining that we don't have filet mignon (and many other have has McDonald's).

I wouldn't say genius. He is consistent, patient and adaptable. He is very predictable, but no one wants to change their own game plan to out maneuver him.

Against the Steelers:
1) You know he is going to double on Brown. (Go to the open man, instead of Brown.)
2) You know he is going to stuff the run. (Change your run plays. If you don't change your tendencies, BB will have his team ready to stuff you.)
3) You know he will try to disrupt Ben. (I don't know, maybe a play action pass or 2?)

On O, you know they will dink and dunk you until you do something to change. If you don't pressure and take away what they are comfortable with, they will run around silly on you. If you pressure, you better get Brady, and/or take away the short passes.

I'm not sure, but I think on one play, Hogan had a beach chair, sipping a coolie, with shades on right in the middle of our defense, and then he had time to catch a pass. I believe Brady also had time for a tanning bed session on a few plays.

You want to beat BB, you have to be able to adapt on the fly. Stay with your tendencies and formations, you are in for a long game.

[LloydWoodson]

I don't think the issue is adaptation. I think the issue is preparedness.

Remember the play where Butler intercepted Wilson to win the Super Bowl? That play would have worked against the Steelers 9/10 times and a lot of other teams too.

Malcolm Butler said he anticipated that play and that they had been working on it in practice that week because they knew the Seahawks like to run it.

Mike Mitchell said he hadn't seen that Pats flea flicker on film. The Pats just ran a flea flicker against the Ravens in December. They probably use theflea flicker more than anybody. They got a TD in Tomlin's first year off a flea flicker against us. Also it didn't work vs the Ravens because the safety stayed disciplined and was beaten on the throw but immediately tackled the catch but he wasn't fooled. He'd probably seen it on film.

[86WARD]

Play action passes and QB sneaks do not have a place in the Steelers playbook.

[tube517]

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Yes, THE RODNEYS should take action!!!!

[st33lersguy]

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Yes, THE RODNEYS should take action!!!!

"Rodneys", says everything

[polamalubeast]

Ron Cook: Spoiled fans take note: Another good season means Tomlin is staying put

In most cities, a Final Four appearance in any sport is a cause for a celebration. In Pittsburgh, we want to fire the coach and his top assistants when our team finally loses. How foolish we are. How spoiled.

read more


http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2017/01/24/Ron-Cook-Steelers-upset-fans-Mike-Tomlin-not-going-anywhere/stories/201701240026

[fansince'76]

It was the WAY they lost, which is understandable. There was absolutely no honor to be salvaged from that beatdown. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing "LeBeau Junior," Danny Smith and Haley taking a walk this offseason.

[polamalubeast]

We know that the loss is very bad when our franchise QB is thinking about retirement after this game.

[86WARD]

Has Danny Smith been fired yet???

[Terrapinstation]

Ron Cook: Spoiled fans take note: Another good season means Tomlin is staying put

In most cities, a Final Four appearance in any sport is a cause for a celebration. In Pittsburgh, we want to fire the coach and his top assistants when our team finally loses. How foolish we are. How spoiled.

read more


http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2017/01/24/Ron-Cook-Steelers-upset-fans-Mike-Tomlin-not-going-anywhere/stories/201701240026

Ron Cook, Pittsburgh's biggest cheerleader. Surprised he even wrote the article, and didn't write a 4 page report on the Pirates 4th utility infielder

Guy made an entire career out of saying 'we'll see what happens'

Edit: I also love how Cook went on and on the last 2 days about how great Hogan is, and how he was 2nd in YPC this year in the league. For some reason he fails to mention the guy only caught 38 balls all year. Then again, with Butler's defense, Hulk Hogan or Paul Hogan could have put up 100 and 2 TDs

[polamalubeast]

I saw fans on twitter saying that Mike Tomlin would be Lovie Smith without Ben!

Maybe we'll know soon if Ben retires.

[polamalubeast]

823951242238062592

True or not?

[fansince'76]

:rolleyes:


November 14, 2004

Talking trash wasn't enough. The Cleveland Browns and Pittsburgh Steelers decided to trade punches.

Less than an hour before Sunday's game, Browns running back William Green and Steelers linebacker Joey Porter squared off and wildly swung at each other near midfield.

The altercation resulted in both being ejected before the opening kickoff and added another chapter to the NFL's nastiest rivalry, which had lost some of its snarl the past few years.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=1922736
(http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=1922736)
And I won't bother mentioning Plexispike or Lee "Paper Champions" Flowers...

And LOL @ Jake Heller - dude looks like he was probably in 3rd grade the last time Cowher coached a game, so he probably formed this opinion by listening to one of his Yinzer uncles.
(http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=1922736)

[Born2Steel]

823951242238062592

True or not?

Untrue. Cowher didn't have to deal with 'Snapface' 24/7. On field discipline is not the same as grown men breaking rules off the field.

[Mojouw]

Been downhill with the discipline since Forrest Douds.

[teegre]

Mike Tomlin told Eric Green to make that Super Bowl video.

Mike Tomlin told the Steelers players to book hotel rooms for the Super Bowl, the week prior to the 2001 AFCCG.

Mike Tomlin told Plaxico Burgess to skip their meeting before the draft, in order to watch Michigan St. in the NCAA finals. Tomlin rationalized that and drafted him anyway... and gave him a gun.

Mike Tomlin put that 500 lbs. of weed in Bam Morris' car.

Mike Tomlin slept with Bill Cowher's secretary.

Mike Tomlin caused cancer in Bill Cowher's wife.

Mike Tomlin also goes by the names Beelzebub, Mephistopheles, and Hank.

[tube517]

Mike Tomlin told Eric Green to make that Super Bowl video.

Mike Tomlin told the Steelers players to book hotel rooms for the Super Bowl, the week prior to the 2001 AFCCG.

Mike Tomlin told Plaxico Burgess to skip their meeting before the draft, in order to watch Michigan St. in the NCAA finals. Tomlin rationalized that and drafted him anyway... and gave him a gun.

Mike Tomlin put that 500 lbs. of weed in Bam Morris' car.

Mike Tomlin slept with Bill Cowher's secretary.

Mike Tomlin caused cancer in Bill Cowher's wife.

Mike Tomlin also goes by the names Beelzebub, Mephistopheles, and Hank.

Mike Tomlin put that photo in the referee's pocket!

[Born2Steel]

Mike Tomlin put that photo in the referee's pocket!

I still laugh when I think about that. Da Chin!

[43Hitman]

Mike Tomlin told Eric Green to make that Super Bowl video.

Mike Tomlin told the Steelers players to book hotel rooms for the Super Bowl, the week prior to the 2001 AFCCG.

Mike Tomlin told Plaxico Burgess to skip their meeting before the draft, in order to watch Michigan St. in the NCAA finals. Tomlin rationalized that and drafted him anyway... and gave him a gun.

Mike Tomlin put that 500 lbs. of weed in Bam Morris' car.

Mike Tomlin slept with Bill Cowher's secretary.

Mike Tomlin caused cancer in Bill Cowher's wife.

Mike Tomlin also goes by the names Beelzebub, Mephistopheles, and Hank.And Bettlejuice. :chuckle:

[polamalubeast]

826595002109267968

[polamalubeast]

828010528479928320

[tube517]

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/69614/57/nfls-best-coaches-2017

NFL's Best Coaches 2017

[86WARD]

The fact that Arians is #5 on that list negates any credibility that list has. Arians was, by far, one of the worst head coaches in the league last season. He was downright awful. Polar opposite of what he has been in the past...lol.

[GBMelBlount]

Tomlin has benefitted greatly from having a top shelf QB and one of the most stable organizations in the NFL for his entire tenure.

I think we will really know how good he is when Ben retires.

Cautiously optimistic but you never know...

http://www.rampartsofcivilization.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/THe-Emperor-Has-No-Clothes.jpg

[st33lersguy]

The fact that Arians is #5 on that list negates any credibility that list has. Arians was, by far, one of the worst head coaches in the league last season. He was downright awful. Polar opposite of what he has been in the past...lol.

Yeah, Arians isn't a top 5 coach. 7-8-1 last year despite having one of the most talented teams in the leagues and playing an easy schedule that included 4 games against the 49ers and Rams. Not to mention that he only has 1 playoff win his entire career, a home OT win against an injury depleted Packers team that had a losing record over it's previous 11 games, a game that went to OT partly because Arians gave the Packers 40 extra seconds with his patented brain-dead play-calling.

[polamalubeast]

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[Born2Steel]

Why is it ALWAYS 2 more? We could have had 2 more SBs if only........!

[pczach]

Why is it ALWAYS 2 more? We could have had 2 more SBs if only........!

If I was head coach, we would have won at least 5 more super bowls. Just sayin......

:party:


Somebody always has all the answers.

[st33lersguy]

Ken Whisenhunt's career record including 3 years with Kurt Warner is 52-73, postseason included. Oops

[tube517]

Ken Whisenhunt's career record including 3 years with Kurt Warner is 52-73, postseason included. Oops

And Russ Grimm has been to Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh West and Pittsburgh Nashville. I didn't even know he went to Tennessee last year (big surprise lol). All as an asst.coach. Nobody wants to hire him as a head coach.

[Mojouw]

And Russ Grimm has been to Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh West and Pittsburgh Nashville. I didn't even know he went to Tennessee last year (big surprise lol). All as an asst.coach. Nobody wants to hire him as a head coach.

Russ Grimm is old school. He is everything that is pure and good about the NFL. Russ Grimm would have made Pittsburgh great again. Missed opportunity. Sad.

[Shoes]

Russ Grimm is old school. He is everything that is pure and good about the NFL. Russ Grimm would have made Pittsburgh great again. Missed opportunity. Sad.

You've finally seen the light Mojouw! :lol:

[fansince'76]

846553899117002752

Uh, LeBeau has been a pretty substantial reason why Tomlin (and Cowher, for that matter) "can't beat NE" and whose defensive scheme Tom Brady has made a career out of shredding on a routine basis. :coffee:

[Shoes]

846553899117002752

Uh, LeBeau has been a pretty substantial reason why Tomlin (and Cowher, for that matter) "can't beat NE" and whose defensive scheme Tom Brady has made a career out of shredding on a routine basis. :coffee:

Tomlin & Butler must still be drinking the LeBeau kool aid. Tomlin says the team won't change philosophy just to beat NE. I take from this they enjoy being embarrassed.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/03/tomlin-says-team-wont-change-philosophy-just-beat-new-england/

[tube517]

966756184471560192

[pczach]

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:toofunny:

[hawaiiansteeler]

http://thatschurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/steelerschiefs12.jpg

[Craic]

Russ Grimm is old school. He is everything that is pure and good about the NFL. Russ Grimm would have made Pittsburgh great again. Missed opportunity. Sad.

And a coach with no vision that left the Steelers with an aging, broken down offensive line and only one backup legitimately good enough to come in and take over in a position. Here's the last year of Russ Grimm.

Marvel Smith - 28, broken down. Missed 4 games the following year and 11 games the year after that.
Alan Faneca - 30.
Jeff Hartings - 34, retired after that year.
Kendall Simmons - 27, battling Diabetes and never really came back from it after being diagnosed.
Max Starks - 24, the following year, he started only 4 games. Year after that, 11 games. In 2010, started 7 games. He only had a couple of good years.

So, who did they have for backups?
Center - Chukki Okobi. How bad do yo have to be when your team loses their starting center and still lets you go to another team.
RG - Kemoeatu. Okay at best.
RT - Willie Colon. Not a bad player, probably the best we had behind the starters, but his offside penalties killed drives.
Trai Essex. Yeah.


Of that group of backups, only one was able to take the starting job and do half-way well. And that was Colon. (will never forget him pancaking the Bengals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfaJhUDRlDc) DLman in that game).

Russ Grimm? No thanks. We just climbed out of the hole he made for us three or so years ago.

[pczach]

Mike Tomlin told Eric Green to make that Super Bowl video.

Mike Tomlin told the Steelers players to book hotel rooms for the Super Bowl, the week prior to the 2001 AFCCG.

Mike Tomlin told Plaxico Burgess to skip their meeting before the draft, in order to watch Michigan St. in the NCAA finals. Tomlin rationalized that and drafted him anyway... and gave him a gun.

Mike Tomlin put that 500 lbs. of weed in Bam Morris' car.

Mike Tomlin slept with Bill Cowher's secretary.

Mike Tomlin caused cancer in Bill Cowher's wife.

Mike Tomlin also goes by the names Beelzebub, Mephistopheles, and Hank.



Can we just make this post the banner at the top of every page of this board?


:sofunny:

[Mojouw]

And a coach with no vision that left the Steelers with an aging, broken down offensive line and only one backup legitimately good enough to come in and take over in a position. Here's the last year of Russ Grimm.

Marvel Smith - 28, broken down. Missed 4 games the following year and 11 games the year after that.
Alan Faneca - 30.
Jeff Hartings - 34, retired after that year.
Kendall Simmons - 27, battling Diabetes and never really came back from it after being diagnosed.
Max Starks - 24, the following year, he started only 4 games. Year after that, 11 games. In 2010, started 7 games. He only had a couple of good years.

So, who did they have for backups?
Center - Chukki Okobi. How bad do yo have to be when your team loses their starting center and still lets you go to another team.
RG - Kemoeatu. Okay at best.
RT - Willie Colon. Not a bad player, probably the best we had behind the starters, but his offside penalties killed drives.
Trai Essex. Yeah.


Of that group of backups, only one was able to take the starting job and do half-way well. And that was Colon. (will never forget him pancaking the Bengals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfaJhUDRlDc) DLman in that game).

Russ Grimm? No thanks. We just climbed out of the hole he made for us three or so years ago.

Post was sarcasm. Shoulda used the sarcasm font!!


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[Craic]

Post was sarcasm. Shoulda used the sarcasm font!!


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Sarcasm font will get you every time! :chuckle:

[86WARD]

Whose decision was it to try to be cute and win with Dobbs instead of playing Ben?

Just another decision that needs to be questioned...

[BlackAndGold]

Your time is almost up Tomlin.

[The Bark]

Your time is almost up Tomlin.

Thank goodness. One of the most inept halves of coaching I've seen in quite some time. Nothing against Dobbs, but I said to myself when Ben came back into the game that if the Steelers end up losing another down-to-the-wire game, Tomlin is going to have some serious credibility issues. Not using his timeouts to save time on the clock didn't help, either, neither did going for a 40 yard FG with a kicker who's been struggling and missed a 39 yard one earlier. Sure, in most cases go for the tie but the end result of having to kick one was due to a lot of poor decisions made in the second half to begin with.

[EzraTank]

Whose decision was it to try to be cute and win with Dobbs instead of playing Ben?

Just another decision that needs to be questioned...I said this in the GDT. Explain why you wait until you're behind to put him in if he was capable of playing?

[Mojouw]

I said this in the GDT. Explain why you wait until you're behind to put him in if he was capable of playing?

I think this is a first for me, but unless the medical people weigh in and add some information, that was a terrible decision.

Get up two scores and then pull him.

[Steeldude]

I said this in the GDT. Explain why you wait until you're behind to put him in if he was capable of playing?

Take the pressure off? Now BR can be a savior. If they still lose they can just blame Dobbs.

[Craic]

I said this in the GDT. Explain why you wait until you're behind to put him in if he was capable of playing?

Because he was probably at an elevated risk for greater injury, but that elevated risk was not great enough to keep him out of a game in which they were losing. It's a matter of balancing risk of loss (game) with risk of loss (QB).

Until the risk of game loss became greater than the risk of QB loss, coaches kept him out. To me, that's actually being smart with your franchise QB.

[st33lersguy]

I don't know when the Steelers will win their next Super Bowl, but I can say with 95% certainty that it will occur after Tomlin is gone

[HollywoodSteel]

I didn't defend him after last week and I never will again. He's a joke. Never prepared to play bad teams. There is no excuse or argument for his tenure here since 09. I'm so tired of being embarrassed.

This was a post from 2014.

I don’t know why I think that’s funny. Nothing I say today can be held against me in a court of law, as I am, at the very least, temporarily insane.

That said, FIRE TOMLIN!

I’ll probably be sane again tomorrow. Probably.

[j-d-s]

Once again bad time management. When the Raiders got the first down inside our Red Zone, we should have called a timeout. We would have gotten the ball back with at least 50 seconds left.

[HollywoodSteel]

Trade Ben. Sell the team to Mark Cuban. Retire LeBeau. Fire Haley.

Okay, 2 out of 4 since ‘14. Anyone got Mark Cuban’s number?

[Steelerchad]

Not sure if Ben not playing was Tomlin's decision or Ben being a drama queen, but I'd like to hear someone answer the question.
If he was well enough to play, he should have been in before down 3 with 5 minutes to play. That's taking your opponent lightly in an important December game.
Also, Tomlin mismanaged the clock again, by not using his timeouts with the Raiders at 2nd and goal and a minute to play. Time on the clock was not an issue for the Raiders as they had plenty to run all 4 plays they needed and then some. It was for us as we ended up with only 21 seconds to try to tie the game. JuJu bails him out on the hook and ladder, then Boswell blows it anyway, so this may be forgotten. But if Ben has a full minute to work there, we may get the TD and let's be honest, good bit of luck with that hook and ladder to get in FG range anyway. Tomlin screwed up the clock management once again. He also missed a challenge when the Raiders hit a TE inside our 20. The Raiders even hurried up and ran a play, which should have indicated they knew the ball hit the ground, but no challenge. He usually waits for the unwinnable challenge before he drops the red flag.

[HollywoodSteel]

Which, I might point yet again, was why I was upset that they passed on Dennard and took Shazier. Tomlin was in the room when the pick happened, so he bears some responsibility for not addressing that glaring need. Colbert deserves far more, though, not just for that pick but also for not addressing it in FA when there were decent options available for a reasonable price.

I love 4 year old threads. If Tomlin’s decision to draft Shazier didn’t get him fired, good luck convincing ownership now.

Everyone with eyes in their skulls, and the power of precognition, could have told you that Shazier had a big red “paralysis-prone” sticker on his back!

Fire EVERYONE!

Then fire they’re replacements before they get the chance to suck!

Then hire the original guys back just to fire them again, but even harder this time!

Why am I not in charge of absolutely everything???

[cubanstogie]

If Ben was able to come in earlier and didn't Tomlin screwed the pooch. It was obvious Dobbs wasnt going to produce a score. This was a must win game, he even said to reporters playoffs start today. Had that been playoff game no way Ben sits. with 59 seconds they should have been using time outs, it was obvious Raiders were going to score. I just don't get it. In the end the hook and ladder saved that poor clock management, only to have bubble bursted by Boswell. Im seeing 3 more losses due to Ben not playing against Bengals in meaningless game. Burnett was a useless pick up , as much as I hate flag kneelers Reid would have been a better sign. The last few weeks I haven't blamed Tomlin for losses, but this week he is a huge contributor, along with our worthless secondary.

[Shoes]

This team has cancer and I don’t mean the locker room type.It has spread via FO to coaches to players. This team is not able to play 60 minutes of football. Yet the excuses continue.

[86WARD]

Tomlin said that Ben could’ve come in earlier but they were in a game flow! A game flow that consisted of a Punt, Out on Downs, Interception and Punt. Don’t want to break that game flow!!

[AtlantaDan]

Tomlin said that Ben could’ve come in earlier but they were in a game flow! A game flow that consisted of a Punt, Out on Downs, Interception and Punt. Don’t want to break that game flow!!

This could be heading to a 1988 Dan Rooney/Noll level confrontation where Rooney told Noll to turnover his staff or consider moving on since you have burned through your goodwill from past sucesses and your explanations for failure are not credible

Maybe Radio Ben will clear it all up Tuesday morning (not blaming Ben but if Ben is healthy enough to return he returns ASAP)

[SteeleReign]

Tomlin said that Ben could’ve come in earlier but they were in a game flow! A game flow that consisted of a Punt, Out on Downs, Interception and Punt. Don’t want to break that game flow!!You know, it's one thing if you've established a ground game and you want to keep Dobbs in to see if you can ground and pound the clock away. But we had no running game either, exactly what the hell kind of flow was Tomlin looking at?

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[Shoes]

Tomlin said that Ben could’ve come in earlier but they were in a game flow! A game flow that consisted of a Punt, Out on Downs, Interception and Punt. Don’t want to break that game flow!!

:toofunny:

[86WARD]

This could be heading to a 1988 Dan Rooney/Noll level confrontation where Rooney told Noll to turnover his staff or consider moving on since you have burned through your goodwill from past sucesses and your explanations for failure are not credible

Maybe Radio Ben will clear it all up Tuesday morning (not blaming Ben but if Ben is healthy enough to return he returns ASAP)

Rooney’s should step in and either make Tomlin clean house or get rid of him as well. Munch ask is the only coach on staff that you can actually see positive results from. There’s really not another on the staff...

[Mojouw]

Rooney’s should step in and either make Tomlin clean house or get rid of him as well. Munch ask is the only coach on staff that you can actually see positive results from. There’s really not another on the staff...

You can win a lot of football games with Fichtner calling the offense. What the team really needs is to hire an actual QB coach. That will help let the OC just call the darn plays and then have someone on the sideline to assist with that and go through things with Ben and the other QBs. Every time Ben has a game where he just stops seeing defenders or the back-ups have to play the lack of a dedicated person in this role drives me up a wall.

Butler, Porter, and Bradley just need to go. Clean sweep. The new DL guy can stay.

[AtlantaDan]

Fun fact

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(https://twitter.com/fo_scottkacsmar/status/1071948877614497792?s=21)

[AtlantaDan]

I think this is a first for me, but unless the medical people weigh in and add some information, that was a terrible decision.

Get up two scores and then pull him.

Ben fires up the bus and back over Tomlin - when the end comes these are the sorts of decisions that will be noted as to when it became something that could happen rather than just venting after a loss

“Coach was kind of saying, ‘Let’s wait,’ ” Roethlisberger said. “He didn’t want me to go back in. He wanted to see what was going to happen. Then, he kind of gave me a look like, ‘OK, let’s go.’ ”

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2018/12/09/Ron-Cook-Mike-Tomlin-mismanages-his-way-to-a-loss-to-lowly-Oakland-Raiders-NFL-Steelers-Ben-Roethlisberger-Josh-Dobbs/stories/201812100088


(https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2018/12/09/Ron-Cook-Mike-Tomlin-mismanages-his-way-to-a-loss-to-lowly-Oakland-Raiders-NFL-Steelers-Ben-Roethlisberger-Josh-Dobbs/stories/201812100088)

[st33lersguy]

Just clean house. Mike Tomlin learned nothing from last year's disastrous. The team got lucky so many times against so many bad and mediocre teams (that the Steelers have historically dominated to boot), they had major flaws, they were playing below their record and got exposed by Blake Bortles. Instead of correcting that, Mike Tomlin decides to pretend that everything is fine and they don't need to improve and that he doesn't need to improve and look what's resulted. 7-5-1, on the verge of being out of playoff position. and poised to complete the biggest collapse north of the Carolinas. Hell he probably thinks he doesn't need to fix anything heading into New England because "DERP THE REFS CHEETED US LAST YEAR, WE BEAT THEM LAST YEAR, BUT THE REFS CHEATED US"

[DesertSteel]

Tomlin is a cheerleader. It took me a while to concede Bradshaw was right. But that's really all he provides - bravado.

[Lady Steel]

I've never really said much regarding Tomlin, but I've now had quite enough. The Steelers need a new head coach. Tomlin just isn't cuttin' it.

Butler and Smith need to go, as well.

It's time to clean house.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I've never really said much regarding Tomlin, but I've now had quite enough. The Steelers need a new head coach. Tomlin just isn't cuttin' it.

Butler and Smith need to go, as well.

It's time to clean house.

the Rooneys don't fire head coaches.

but some assistant coaches are definitely going to be...

[Steeler-in-west]

After losing a must win game to the worst team in the league it’s time to clean house (that includes Tomlin)

this team was considered a Super Bowl contender three weeks ago and now they can’t beat the worst team in the league? After losing the two previous games? this should be it for the Mike Tomlin era (first McCarthy then Tomlin) two coaches who’s expiring date has come and gone

[AtlantaDan]

Mainstream national media (as opposed to clickbait commentators such as Cowherd) starting to turn on Tomlin?

This from Peter King in his FMIA column this morning

WHAT?! “Flow of game?” That is nonsensical.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/10/miami-miracle-dolphins-bears-chiefs-mahomes-fmia-nfl-week-14-peter-king/

[tube517]

Who is in charge of the scouting dept for the defense - especially the DBs and LBs.

Talk about failures.

[AtlantaDan]

Who is in charge of the scouting dept for the defense - especially the DBs and LBs.

Talk about failures.

Probably the same folks who recurringly hit the jackpot with WRs

[SteeleReign]

Probably the same folks who recurringly hit the jackpot with WRsWell, then I suppose we're left to the coaching. If we assume that the Steelers draft process/evaluation for DBs is effective because it's been successful for WRs, then what is happening between the end of April and the beginning of September to cause such a decline in performance from the secondary?

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[Craic]

the Rooneys don't fire head coaches.

but some assistant coaches are definitely going to be...

I think this is accurate. Tomlin will stay, but he'll probably see a Rooney move like Noll saw late in his career. Then again, of the three coordinators, I wouldn't mind seeing Fichtner stay around another year. He put together some great game plans. Some others stunk. Give him an offseason to work that out and I think he comes back ready to go. I was willing to give Butler this season after Shazier's injury. However, he's done as far as I'm concerned. When I saw safeties 20 yards off the LOS in the closing minutes when we were trying to protect a lead and it was 3rd and 8 or something like that? Just no. We have a CB who can't play zone. We have a zone defense that can't stop the pass. So why are we continuing to play zone? Bring Burns on and stick him on the other teams second-best receiver all game. No, I think it's time to fire the Butler.

Special teams? Please. Hitch a wagon to a mule and toss his stuff on it and strap Bozwell to the back as well.

Oline coach? He's the bright spot. We keep him right where he is to rebuild this line as it begins to break up over the next few years.

[Fire Goodell]

I'll just say this. You know you're bad when you get outcoached by Jon Gruden.

[Mach1]

Deer in the headlights.

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48358950_151587419153852_1006262536250589184_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=ec30bd6530112ba99d412766c55c143f&oe=5CA2ACB5

[Shoes]

Deer in the headlights.

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48358950_151587419153852_1006262536250589184_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=ec30bd6530112ba99d412766c55c143f&oe=5CA2ACB5



:toofunny:

[EzraTank]

Deer in the headlights.

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48358950_151587419153852_1006262536250589184_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=ec30bd6530112ba99d412766c55c143f&oe=5CA2ACB5

Would be perfect if there was a reflection of oncoming headlines instead of the field.

[Fire Goodell]

"Mike Tomlin outcoached <Fill in the Blank> today" - said no one ever

[st33lersguy]

Deer in the headlights.

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48358950_151587419153852_1006262536250589184_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=ec30bd6530112ba99d412766c55c143f&oe=5CA2ACB5

So that's why he wears his cool shades

[86WARD]

You can win a lot of football games with Fichtner calling the offense. What the team really needs is to hire an actual QB coach. That will help let the OC just call the darn plays and then have someone on the sideline to assist with that and go through things with Ben and the other QBs. Every time Ben has a game where he just stops seeing defenders or the back-ups have to play the lack of a dedicated person in this role drives me up a wall.

Butler, Porter, and Bradley just need to go. Clean sweep. The new DL guy can stay.

I would support that if Tomlin wanted to go that route. I would hang onto Bradley and consider him as a DC candidate. He hasnt done great with the DBs but that could be because there just isn't talent there. We've seen a nice improvement in Hilton's play but Burns and the rest...just may not have the ability to be any better. His Penn State Defenses were ranked fairly well over the years in Total Yards.

[Dwinsgames]

they need a new scouting department too not just a bunch of Colberts family ....

we need Corners and we have not drafted a good one since ......since .........since ........ Jesus its been that long !!!!

Ike Taylor ................. 2003 .....

since then they have drafted a ton of body's but only a few decent players ( no GOOD ones ) ..

Ricardo Colclough 2nd round ....a lot of draft stock squandered
Bryant McFadden 2nd round.... decent corner
William Gay 5th round ..... streaky corner sucked was good and then sucked again
Keenan Lewis 3rd round .....we got about 10 good games from him
Joe Burnett 5th round .....some hype but nothing but smoke and mirrors
Crezdon Butler 5th round ..... showed a few flashed and fizzled quickly
Cortez Allen 4th round..... fooled us long enough to get paid and has not been seen since
Curtis Brown 3rd round ....never showed a thing
Terrance Fredrick 7th round ... dud
Terry hawthorn 5th round.....dud
Shaq Richardson 5th round ... dud
Doran Grant 4th round .... dud
Senquez Golson 2nd round .... a lot of draft stock squandered
Artie Burns 1st round .... a lot of draft stock squandered
Brian Allen 5th round.... ??? probably a dud
Cameron Sutton 3rd round .... smart kid knows what to do but hasn't put it on tape yet

seems to me that many selections spent you should develop more than what we have managed from it ..... it all starts with scouting and then development via coaching we have not done well at either

[Mojouw]

they need a new scouting department too not just a bunch of Colberts family ....

we need Corners and we have not drafted a good one since ......since .........since ........ Jesus its been that long !!!!

Ike Taylor ................. 2003 .....

since then they have drafted a ton of body's but only a few decent players ( no GOOD ones ) ..

Ricardo Colclough 2nd round
Bryant McFadden 2nd round
William Gay 5th round
Keenan Lewis 3rd round
Joe Burnett 5th round
Crezdon Butler 5th round
Cortez Allen 4th round
Curtis Brown 3rd round
Terrance Fredrick 7th round
Terry hawthorn 5th round
Shaq Richardson 5th round
Doran Grant 4th round
Senquez Golson 2nd round
Artie Burns 1st round
Brian Allen 5th round
Cameron Sutton 3rd round

seems to me that many selections spent you should develop more than what we have managed from it ..... it all starts with scouting and then development via coaching we have not done well at either

Looking at that list, they got exactly what they went looking for (or for the most part they did):

1. Zone focused CBs
2. Good tacklers that were willing in run support and blitzes off the edge.
3. CBs focused on keeping the play in front of them
4. Guys that lack ball skills and good movement skills because they were drafted well outside the first round.

The few guys they tried to break that "plan" with (Sutton, Golson, Allen, Burns) have either not panned out, got hurt, or they did stupid things -- like taking a press man cover guy in Burns and telling him to play zone/read stuff.

I agree the plan was bad and not effective. But in a certain sense, the Scouting Department gave the team exactly what it asked for.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Mainstream national media (as opposed to clickbait commentators such as Cowherd) starting to turn on Tomlin?

This from Peter King in his FMIA column this morning

[I]WHAT?! “Flow of game?” That is nonsensical.



the way the game was flowing while Dobbs was playing should have made Tomlin want to put Ben back in as soon as the doctors had cleared him...

[Dwinsgames]

Looking at that list, they got exactly what they went looking for (or for the most part they did):

1. Zone focused CBs
2. Good tacklers that were willing in run support and blitzes off the edge.
3. CBs focused on keeping the play in front of them
4. Guys that lack ball skills and good movement skills because they were drafted well outside the first round.

The few guys they tried to break that "plan" with (Sutton, Golson, Allen, Burns) have either not panned out, got hurt, or they did stupid things -- like taking a press man cover guy in Burns and telling him to play zone/read stuff.

I agree the plan was bad and not effective. But in a certain sense, the Scouting Department gave the team exactly what it asked for.

I guess we have a different opinion of what is " well outside of the 1st round " there is THREE 2nd round picks on that list and a 1st rounder ...three 3rd rounders ... these are not trash selections points ( even though they where trash selections )

also a pair of 4th rounders ( which by the way is the same round Ike Taylor came from the original example in my post )

[DesertSteel]

Apparently Tomlin was enamored with that one throw from Dobbs a few weeks back.

[Mojouw]

I guess we have a different opinion of what is " well outside of the 1st round " there is THREE 2nd round picks on that list and a 1st rounder ...three 3rd rounders ... these are not trash selections points ( even though they where trash selections )

also a pair of 4th rounders ( which by the way is the same round Ike Taylor came from the original example in my post )

We can quibble over the math and prioritization of the rounds all night. But the bottom line is the Steelers have requested a certain trait list for CB for years. They scouting department and draft trigger pullers have largely provided that "type" of CB in a quantity over quality model -- which is basically what the defense long prioritized.

Only in the last few years have the Steelers attempted a dedicated deviation from that model. For much of the last 20+ years they have looked for sound tackling zone guys (William Gay and McFadden) with the occasional dart throw on a more man capable guy (Coclough, Taylor, Allen).

I don't think getting bad CBs in rounds 5-7 should shock anyone. What is the hit rate on that league wide? I bet shockingly low.
Looking at the 1st and 2nd round picks, they did alright. About an even split between exactly what they thought they were and "busts".

My point is that I don't think the defensive staff has a clear vision of what they want to do at CB. This leads to the uneven draft selections and play of the past 3 seasons.

[Dwinsgames]

ehh I disagree and think thats to broad a brush statement but not going to argue semantics ... bottom line is they spent quality selection points in the first 3 rounds 7 times since Ike Taylor and didnt hit one out of the park , hell not sure I would give them anything more than 1 double and a single .... for the 7

[Lady Steel]

the Rooneys don't fire head coaches.

I know, and at this juncture, that's part of the problem. Obviously. :lol:

Tomlin is arrogant and that's a big part of the problem, as well.

[Six Rings]

That is all.

Co signed.

- - - Updated - - -


they need a new scouting department too not just a bunch of Colberts family ....

we need Corners and we have not drafted a good one since ......since .........since ........ Jesus its been that long !!!!

Ike Taylor ................. 2003 .....

since then they have drafted a ton of body's but only a few decent players ( no GOOD ones ) ..

Ricardo Colclough 2nd round ....a lot of draft stock squandered
Bryant McFadden 2nd round.... decent corner
William Gay 5th round ..... streaky corner sucked was good and then sucked again
Keenan Lewis 3rd round .....we got about 10 good games from him
Joe Burnett 5th round .....some hype but nothing but smoke and mirrors
Crezdon Butler 5th round ..... showed a few flashed and fizzled quickly
Cortez Allen 4th round..... fooled us long enough to get paid and has not been seen since
Curtis Brown 3rd round ....never showed a thing
Terrance Fredrick 7th round ... dud
Terry hawthorn 5th round.....dud
Shaq Richardson 5th round ... dud
Doran Grant 4th round .... dud
Senquez Golson 2nd round .... a lot of draft stock squandered
Artie Burns 1st round .... a lot of draft stock squandered
Brian Allen 5th round.... ??? probably a dud
Cameron Sutton 3rd round .... smart kid knows what to do but hasn't put it on tape yet

seems to me that many selections spent you should develop more than what we have managed from it ..... it all starts with scouting and then development via coaching we have not done well at either


Lewis was a good player. Tomlin didn't like him.

[SteeleReign]

they need a new scouting department too not just a bunch of Colberts family ....

we need Corners and we have not drafted a good one since ......since .........since ........ Jesus its been that long !!!!

Ike Taylor ................. 2003 .....

since then they have drafted a ton of body's but only a few decent players ( no GOOD ones ) ..

Ricardo Colclough 2nd round ....a lot of draft stock squandered
Bryant McFadden 2nd round.... decent corner
William Gay 5th round ..... streaky corner sucked was good and then sucked again
Keenan Lewis 3rd round .....we got about 10 good games from him
Joe Burnett 5th round .....some hype but nothing but smoke and mirrors
Crezdon Butler 5th round ..... showed a few flashed and fizzled quickly
Cortez Allen 4th round..... fooled us long enough to get paid and has not been seen since
Curtis Brown 3rd round ....never showed a thing
Terrance Fredrick 7th round ... dud
Terry hawthorn 5th round.....dud
Shaq Richardson 5th round ... dud
Doran Grant 4th round .... dud
Senquez Golson 2nd round .... a lot of draft stock squandered
Artie Burns 1st round .... a lot of draft stock squandered
Brian Allen 5th round.... ??? probably a dud
Cameron Sutton 3rd round .... smart kid knows what to do but hasn't put it on tape yet

seems to me that many selections spent you should develop more than what we have managed from it ..... it all starts with scouting and then development via coaching we have not done well at eitherAnd all of this under the auspices of a former DB coach and DC, Mike Tomlin.

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[AtlantaDan]

Lewis was a good player. Tomlin didn't like him.

Maybe - but that was another example of LeBeau not letting younger players start while their rookie contracts ran out

Lewis was drafted in 2009 but was not a full time starter until the final year of his contract in 2012 - when he was able to show his skills in 2012 the Steelers lost out to the Saints in signing him

This from an early 2013 story when Lewis hit free agency

Coming off a restricted free agent tender of $1.26 million from the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/pittsburgh-steelers) last offseason, Lewis was able to establish himself as a bonafide starting cornerback in the NFL and hopes that the compensation he receives in his next contract will pay him accordingly.

Entering last season, Lewis was not interested in receiving long-term contract offers because he was being primarily used as a nickel-back corner. Fully aware that this would decrease his value, Lewis focused on improving his game to earn more responsibility, as well as a regular role in the starting lineup.

After starting all 16 games in 2012, Lewis was able to solidify a role in the starting lineup and hopes his work will earn him the salary he hoped for

https://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/pittsburgh-steelers/2013/1/3/3832578/keenan-lewis-steelers-free-agency-rumors

[smokin3000gt]

I know, and at this juncture, that's part of the problem. Obviously. :lol:

Tomlin is arrogant and that's a big part of the problem, as well.

such is the nature of the national football league. we accept responsibility and the noise that comes with it

[fansince'76]

such is the nature of the national football league. we accept responsibility and the noise that comes with it

https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x313/smokin3000gt/FIRETURMLIN_zpsbc1574d8.jpg (https://s187.photobucket.com/user/smokin3000gt/media/FIRETURMLIN_zpsbc1574d8.jpg.html)

:lol:

[86WARD]

Bump…

Maybe Canada goes now or everyone goes at seasons end??

[polamalubeast]

Tomlin don't know the rule for a catch?

[86WARD]

Nobody on the staff says to challenge it?? No one?

[86WARD]

Ha ha. Doesn’t think there’s a problem on offense other than penalties.

[polamalubeast]

The eagles do what they want in this game....4 TD on 6 drives.....

[polamalubeast]

Tomlin will said after the game that losing the turnovers battle was the difference in the game.....

[that1guy]

Tomlin takes no heat for anything, he's untouchable. The man is absolutely clueless.

[Steel Peon]

Same goat, different season.

[86WARD]

Under .500 coming up!!!

[Edman]

It's not just one issue with the team. Its multiple issues that pop up at once. Everyone takes turns being bad. It's not a talent issue. Its a coaching issue.

That's 100% on coaching. Tomlin has failed hard this season.

[86WARD]

It's not just one issue with the team. Its multiple issues that pop up at once. Everyone takes turns being bad. It's not a talent issue. Its a coaching issue.

That's 100% on coaching. Tomlin has failed hard this season.

Just his refusal to fix the offensive coordinator is a monster failure. Canada is the equivalent of Cancer and Tomlin refuses to remove it…

[that1guy]

The Rooneys should be (right this minute) searching for a replacement for Tomlin at the conclusion of the season. The entire team has suffered from his inability to coach this football team. The Steelers will improve as Pickett improves but stop asking him 3 games into his career to take on too much. Pickett has a trash offensive line, Najee isn't playing well and the WR Corp (who are supposed to be stars) cannot run a route to save their lives.

[Edman]

The Rooneys should be (right this minute) searching for a replacement for Tomlin at the conclusion of the season. The entire team has suffered from his inability to coach this football team. The Steelers will improve as Pickett improves but stop asking him 3 games into his career to take on too much. Pickett has a trash offensive line, Najee isn't playing well and the WR Corp (who are supposed to be stars) cannot run a route to save their lives.

The fact we keep lining up Diontae Johnson as a "deep threat" is peak hilarity.

[polamalubeast]

1586817379153350656

It was in 2013 and they were better in the second half.Can they do it again?

[86WARD]

1586817379153350656

It was in 2013 and they were better in the second half.Can they do it again?

No.

[fansince'76]

https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x313/smokin3000gt/FIRETURMLIN_zpsbc1574d8.jpg (https://s187.photobucket.com/user/smokin3000gt/media/FIRETURMLIN_zpsbc1574d8.jpg.html)

:lol:

Thanks for the bump - I had forgotten all about this old sig pic of smokin's. :lol:

[Steeler-in-west]

2022 was Canadas make or break year
2023 I think will be Tomlin’s

[Steeldude]

But I thought Tomlin was the greatest HC in NFL history? No losing seasons, right? He has put together his own players now so it will be lights out, right?

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

But I thought Tomlin was the greatest HC in NFL history? No losing seasons, right? He has put together his own players now so it will be lights out, right?

Exactly. Tomlin has never had a losing season until now. He is a HOF coach. A SB winning coach. Clearly a genius. Besides, who would he be replaced with? Who is better and available hmm? It's crazy how many people in 2022 are now sounding like the haters from 2013.

[pepsyman1]

Anyone know where the Fire Canada thread went?

[86WARD]

Anyone know where the Fire Canada thread went?

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/33949-Fire-Canada

[Dwinsgames]

Exactly. Tomlin has never had a losing season until now. He is a HOF coach. A SB winning coach. Clearly a genius. Besides, who would he be replaced with? Who is better and available hmm? It's crazy how many people in 2022 are now sounding like the haters from 2013.

Im not saying fire or not fire at this point ... my mind may change if Canada doesnt go in the next few days however that being said .....

Who was Chuck Noll before they hired him ??

Who was Bill Cowher before they hired him ??

Who was Mike Tomlin before he was hired here ??

in all 3 instances they where assistants elsewhere that the Steelers seen more in than anyone else , seems like a pretty good track record for the last 50 or so years 3 coaches that others seen as disposable / replaceable /not worthy of the top job .....

and with that said when it does come time to find a replacement for Tomlin it will not be the same person / persons making the selection ... This time around it will be Art II not the Chief or Dan ... we shall see how far the apple falls from the tree

[86WARD]

If Tomlin doesn’t make the necessary changes with the coordinators, then he needs to go.

It’s clear to everyone in the world (except the Steelers Brass) that Matt Canada is not an NFL Offensive Coordinator. He’s just not and that’s okay. They made a mistake hiring him but this mistake is now going on three seasons worth of offensive nonsense because of this guy. Players like Harris and Claypool, Pickens and Pickett are wasting young years of their careers and development fucking off with this guy.

Mojouw questioned the murkiness of Pickett…I’ll go further and question the murkiness of Harris, Freiermuth, Claypool, Pickens AND Pickett. We have no idea what these guys really are because Canada is a walking disaster. Precious time is being wasted…time that could set the franchise back 3-5 seasons because Tomlin can’t move on from his hire…

[Dwinsgames]

…time that could set the franchise back 3-5 seasons because Tomlin can’t move on from his hire…


and maybe this is why Tomlin had been "hamstrung" in terms of making his own hires in the past ?? perhaps they seen a potential issue and avoided it in the past then gave in over time and this is what we got ?? throwing mud at the wall here and seeing if any of it sticks ??

[fansince'76]

Exactly. Tomlin has never had a losing season until now. He is a HOF coach. A SB winning coach. Clearly a genius. Besides, who would he be replaced with? Who is better and available hmm? It's crazy how many people in 2022 are now sounding like the haters from 2013.

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/image.php?u=62&dateline=1507425667

Nobody's listening to ya, Edith...

[polamalubeast]

This is a huge red flag for Tomlin if he keep Matt Canada after the bye week....

[Rotorhead]

Nothing on the news wire about firing Crapnada, but I guess the day is early yet . . .

[Dwinsgames]

Nothing on the news wire about firing Crapnada, but I guess the day is early yet . . .

damn near lunch time and they start the work day around 6am

[dislocatedday]

It’s clear to everyone in the world (except the Steelers Brass) that Matt Canada is not an NFL Offensive Coordinator. He’s just not and that’s okay. They made a mistake hiring him but this mistake is now going on three seasons worth of offensive nonsense because of this guy. Players like Harris and Claypool, Pickens and Pickett are wasting young years of their careers and development fucking off with this guy.

I have to think it is clear to the Steelers brass as well. There is no way that Tomlin, Omar Khan, and Art II are oblivious to the fact that Canada is likely the worst OC currently in the entire NFL. He has 26 games under his belt now, and in 21 of them the team has failed to score at least 20 points. They run the same crappy plays week after week. I was surprised that Pickett even came out after the game yesterday and said it is idiotic to keep doing the same thing week after week and expecting a different result. He told everyone right there how he feels about the offense and Canada without actually saying his name.

I think the Steelers are likely putting together their plans for life after Canada for the rest of the season right now. I just cannot imagine they are going to stick with the status quo going forward for the 2nd half of the season. Tomlin said a month ago the team would try to improve things, but I have seen no changes yet. All I see on offense are the same dumb playcalls week after week. If they trot this same garbage out the rest of the season with Canada then I would question Tomlin's ability to lead this team going forward.

[Born2Steel]

Question...for the Steelers, who has final say on hires and fires?

[Dwinsgames]

Question...for the Steelers, who has final say on hires and fires?


Tomlin was supposedly hamstrung on hires in the past but as of late he has been the guy from my understanding ...

it would only make sense if he has the authority to hire he would also have the same authority to fire said coaches ...

so I guess my final answer is early on it was ownership but now it is Tomlin

[Mojouw]

Ultimately, regardless of what it says on paper or in the agreed about org chart, it is ownership. Owners can do whatever they want whenever they want.

I suspect the GM ultimately is the guy who calls people into the office and gives them the news. Likely in collaboration with Tomlin. I suspect, knowing the Steelers, that hiring and firing decisions are a collaborative process. Everything else is.

[Born2Steel]

So....since we know we don't know, I go to history and hypotheticals. History says that when there's a new GM, there is usually a new HC, QB, etc. Granted Kahn is not 'NEW' in every sense but for the sake of discussion, what if what we are seeing is part of a process? Maybe Kahn has a direction in mind for more than one aspect of team building? Doesn't really match the Steelers' way but new owner(sort of), new GM(sort of), new QB(definitely), new defensive leadership(mostly). What's left?

[polamalubeast]

The steelers way don't work anymore!...Big change in philosophy need to be made

[Born2Steel]

The steelers way don't work anymore!...Big change in philosophy need to be made

OK. When I say Steelers Way, I mean from the ownership down and the way they have always been people first. Taking care of the people in the building has made this one of, if not the strongest organizations in the NFL. I'm not talking on-the-field at all by that.

[Mojouw]

So....since we know we don't know, I go to history and hypotheticals. History says that when there's a new GM, there is usually a new HC, QB, etc. Granted Kahn is not 'NEW' in every sense but for the sake of discussion, what if what we are seeing is part of a process? Maybe Kahn has a direction in mind for more than one aspect of team building? Doesn't really match the Steelers' way but new owner(sort of), new GM(sort of), new QB(definitely), new defensive leadership(mostly). What's left?

I suspect not, but it could be. If you want to hire a "hotshot" offensive coach, you typically have to hand him the head coaching chair as well. It would be kinda dirty pool a bit to fire the HC to get an OC....but not without precedent across the NFL.

[Born2Steel]

I suspect not, but it could be. If you want to hire a "hotshot" offensive coach, you typically have to hand him the head coaching chair as well. It would be kinda dirty pool a bit to fire the HC to get an OC....but not without precedent across the NFL.

Correct. Which is why I said not the Steelers way. But damn, we're just Monday morning talking here.

[Mojouw]

Correct. Which is why I said not the Steelers way. But damn, we're just Monday morning talking here.

Honestly, it all comes down to what the powers that be think they need to develop KP.

Certainly more than they currently have.

And they've had a pretty dumb-ass plan for this so far if you ask me...but that's another thread entirely.

I remain less than optimistic about the process and result for the next OC.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/image.php?u=62&dateline=1507425667

Nobody's listening to ya, Edith...

Nobody else is being listened to either. Ownership will
do the right thing and keep Tomlin on forever.

[polamalubeast]

OK. When I say Steelers Way, I mean from the ownership down and the way they have always been people first. Taking care of the people in the building has made this one of, if not the strongest organizations in the NFL. I'm not talking on-the-field at all by that.

Ok,fine

[fansince'76]

Nobody else is being listened to either. Ownership will
do the right thing and keep Tomlin on forever.

I know! If Art II doesn't start listening to all the Internet randos soon, Steelers fans will stop attending games in person and the team will lose their stadium revenue and go BANKRUPT! :horror:

:lol:

[Dwinsgames]

I know! If Art II doesn't start listening to all the Internet randos soon, Steelers fans will stop attending games in person and the team will lose their stadium revenue and go BANKRUPT! :horror:

:lol:


IDK about all that but part of it is true ...

We are at the time record wise where empty seats will start to happen even in Pittsburgh , nobody wants to sit in crappy weather for 4+ hours to watch this product hell many can barely stand it in the comfort of their own living rooms ....

Change inspires hope even if that hope is for the future standing pat with this inspires nothing but despair and despair spends no money ....

Revenue will start to fall for sure ....

bankrupt however is a huge stretch but my guess is the post was intended as sarcasm but even so much of it will transpire at the current state of affairs if change does not happen

[86WARD]

Empty seats in the stands is the least of any NFL franchises worries. Average team makes about $560,000 profit per event from ticket sales.

Ticket sales count about 1.25% towards their total profit. No NFL team went bankrupt with empty stadiums during COVID.

Is it a good look? No. Is it going to cripple an NFL franchise? Not even close.

[fansince'76]

bankrupt however is a huge stretch but my guess is the post was intended as sarcasm but even so much of it will transpire at the current state of affairs if change does not happen

It was. Stadium revenue is chump change compared to what the league makes off the TV contracts, despite Brainiac's previous assertion to the contrary. He also seems to think that people like Art II should actually take notice and listen when a bunch of people bitch on a message board.

The day Art II starts running the team based on the opinions of a bunch of online randos is the day I hope he sells his share of the team to someone else.

[Dwinsgames]

It was. Stadium revenue is chump change compared to what the league makes off the TV contracts, despite Brainiac's previous assertion to the contrary.

:thumbsup:

[Mojouw]

I know! If Art II doesn't start listening to all the Internet randos soon, Steelers fans will stop attending games in person and the team will lose their stadium revenue and go BANKRUPT! :horror:

:lol:


Empty seats in the stands is the least of any NFL franchises worries. Average team makes about $560,000 profit per event from ticket sales.

Ticket sales count about 1.25% towards their total profit. No NFL team went bankrupt with empty stadiums during COVID.

Is it a good look? No. Is it going to cripple an NFL franchise? Not even close.

No way man! Fans need to hold teams accountable!! Demand excellence!

I mean like three loud guys on here told me that stadium revenue was incredibly important and worth like billions of dollars. They said they were super sure....so I mean....maybe rethink your whole take here? :)

[polamalubeast]

Tomlin is too arrogant at this point to keep Canada.....

[that1guy]

Tomlin is too arrogant at this point to keep Canada.....

At this point it does no good for anyone to fire Canada. The offensive players will not be able to learn a new system in a 10 day period. You'd have to imagine the Rooneys a n d ownership see the overall direction the franchise is headed and they can't be too optimistic. It's been a lackluster run for Tomlin since the Superbowl loss in 2009. The 'Never a losing season' argument is ridiculous. NFL owners don't go into season saying "Well, if we win 50% of our games, that's a success to me". The Steelers organization would most likely be want Playoff wins to define a season and not 9-7 to be it's pinnacle.

[polamalubeast]

The standard become lower and lower...Before it was to compete for the super bowl and now in the last few years it was to avoid a losing season

[polamalubeast]

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[86WARD]

He’s a fucking idiot. You can’t defend Tomlin anymore. I like the guy but now he’s just hurting the football team…

[polamalubeast]

He’s a fucking idiot. You can’t defend Tomlin anymore. I like the guy but now he’s just hurting the football team…

true!

[that1guy]

He’s a fucking idiot. You can’t defend Tomlin anymore. I like the guy but now he’s just hurting the football team…

If Tomlin/Rooneys fired Canada during the bye week and the Offense didn't improve where would the blame fall? Firing Canada would put Tomlin in a tough spot because it would have Ownership wondering that it may not have been Arians,Haley,Fichner or Canada after all. Maybe it's been the Man with the cool shades who hasn't delivered.

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He’s a fucking idiot. You can’t defend Tomlin anymore. I like the guy but now he’s just hurting the football team…

If Tomlin/Rooneys fired Canada during the bye week and the Offense didn't improve where would the blame fall? Firing Canada would put Tomlin in a tough spot because it would have Ownership wondering that it may not have been Arians,Haley,Fichner or Canada after all. Maybe it's been the Man with the cool shades who hasn't delivered.

[Rotorhead]

Tomlin isn’t on the hot seat, but should be after this season. Firing Crapnada would at least show he is aware of the problems plaguing the offense and is willing to do something to try to correct it.

[86WARD]

If Tomlin/Rooneys fired Canada during the bye week and the Offense didn't improve where would the blame fall? Firing Canada would put Tomlin in a tough spot because it would have Ownership wondering that it may not have been Arians,Haley,Fichner or Canada after all. Maybe it's been the Man with the cool shades who hasn't delivered.

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If Tomlin/Rooneys fired Canada during the bye week and the Offense didn't improve where would the blame fall? Firing Canada would put Tomlin in a tough spot because it would have Ownership wondering that it may not have been Arians,Haley,Fichner or Canada after all. Maybe it's been the Man with the cool shades who hasn't delivered.

Arians and Haley produced. Canada hasn’t helped produce points, yardage anything positive for three seasons now…if a interim OC comes in and it’s the same, it is what it is. The change isn’t going to be drastic until there’s a new hire but an interim OC may possibly put players in positions to succeed…Can’tnada has not now for three years…Anything positive has been because Ben put his teammates in those postitions…

[86WARD]

Tomlin isn’t on the hot seat, but should be after this season. Firing Crapnada would at least show he is aware of the problems plaguing the offense and is willing to do something to try to correct it.

Yes…show some awareness…

[steelreserve]

Tomlin isn’t on the hot seat, but should be after this season. Firing Crapnada would at least show he is aware of the problems plaguing the offense and is willing to do something to try to correct it.

"Crapnado" certainly would be a fitting description, and has a nice ring to it.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

It was. Stadium revenue is chump change compared to what the league makes off the TV contracts, despite Brainiac's previous assertion to the contrary. He also seems to think that people like Art II should actually take notice and listen when a bunch of people bitch on a message board.

The day Art II starts running the team based on the opinions of a bunch of online randos is the day I hope he sells his share of the team to someone else.

No. I don't think the owner should listen to this message board. I think this thread should be taken down. 47 pages of whining. Tomlin hasn't changed at all since he became coach so why be mad now? Makes no sense.

And tens of millions of dollars isn't "chump change." These owners almost never give fully guaranteed money and yet they don't care about the "chump change" of contracts?

Please explain why teams ever change coaches. What's the point? Hire a friend who will do what you say and collect profits. It doesn't matter if fans attend.

[polamalubeast]

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[Mojouw]

No. I don't think the owner should listen to this message board. I think this thread should be taken down. 47 pages of whining. Tomlin hasn't changed at all since he became coach so why be mad now? Makes no sense.

And tens of millions of dollars isn't "chump change." These owners almost never give fully guaranteed money and yet they don't care about the "chump change" of contracts?

Please explain why teams ever change coaches. What's the point? Hire a friend who will do what you say and collect profits. It doesn't matter if fans attend.

Tens of millions is chump change when compared to billions in tv revenue. Stadium revenue barely moves the needle for the scale of TV money that comes into the league.

Tens of millions matters in player contracts not because the owners care about writing the check, they care about having limited salary cap resources tied up in players that are underperforming or not able to play. At least the good owners do. Stupid owners probably whine about paying anyone!

And there are many teams across the NFL landscape that are not trying to win a thing.

We could go on and on about this. But you are just wrong about fans being able to hold anyone accountable. It sucks, but your opinion, mine, and everyone elses makes no nevermind to the Pittsburgh Steelers. They would like broad and deep fan support, but as long as that sweet sweet TV money keeps rolling in by the truck-full; they don't need it.

But if you want to keep believing that you can change the temperature of the water by spitting in the ocean....you can do you.

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Been just over 12 hours. By like this afternoon, this will have been turned into the story that "...inside sources are reporting that Tomlin has completely lost the locker-room and players are demanding to play ping pong and Call of Duty instead of practice..."

Just want to point out that if you read the posted quote....it is completely someone's opinion based on ZERO tangible evidence of the thing they are wildly speculating on actually happening...but by later today this will be a "known fact" for many.

This is just like when "drama" was going to cause the locker room to wander away or something....and it never happened.

[86WARD]

Tens of millions is chump change when compared to billions in tv revenue. Stadium revenue barely moves the needle for the scale of TV money that comes into the league.

Tens of millions matters in player contracts not because the owners care about writing the check, they care about having limited salary cap resources tied up in players that are underperforming or not able to play. At least the good owners do. Stupid owners probably whine about paying anyone!

And there are many teams across the NFL landscape that are not trying to win a thing.

We could go on and on about this. But you are just wrong about fans being able to hold anyone accountable. It sucks, but your opinion, mine, and everyone elses makes no nevermind to the Pittsburgh Steelers. They would like broad and deep fan support, but as long as that sweet sweet TV money keeps rolling in by the truck-full; they don't need it.

But if you want to keep believing that you can change the temperature of the water by spitting in the ocean....you can do you.

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Been just over 12 hours. By like this afternoon, this will have been turned into the story that "...inside sources are reporting that Tomlin has completely lost the locker-room and players are demanding to play ping pong and Call of Duty instead of practice..."

Just want to point out that if you read the posted quote....it is completely someone's opinion based on ZERO tangible evidence of the thing they are wildly speculating on actually happening...but by later today this will be a "known fact" for many.

This is just like when "drama" was going to cause the locker room to wander away or something....and it never happened.

I tend to agree with you but you do have to admit that there appears to be some locker room issues with Claypools story and the DJ/Trubisky story and then the tone of some of the comments in regards to the offense…

[Dwinsgames]

I tend to agree with you but you do have to admit that there appears to be some locker room issues with Claypools story and the DJ/Trubisky story and then the tone of some of the comments in regards to the offense…

Even Boz trolled Canada and oddly came down with injury and had to sit out .....

hmmmm

Does Canada have pics or video on Tomlin / Rooney and that is why he still has a job ???


I jest but it is getting odd to say the least

[Mach1]

Even Boz trolled Canada and oddly came down with injury and had to sit out .....

hmmmm

Does Canada have pics or video on Tomlin / Rooney and that is why he still has a job ???


I jest but it is getting odd to say the least

Seems like players don't want to be on this team. The new browns, no one wants to be there?

[Mojouw]

I tend to agree with you but you do have to admit that there appears to be some locker room issues with Claypools story and the DJ/Trubisky story and then the tone of some of the comments in regards to the offense…

Of course there are locker room issues. The team is 2-6. This is the kind of thing that happens on all teams on a losing streak.

But for every one of the stories about someone bashing a coach or whatever, there are 3 stories/quotes where a player specifically points out where their own failure to execute properly contributed to overall lack of success.

It is a bad situation for sure on offense Lack of player ability and execution is being amplified by a terrible scheme and game-plan. But I think it has to get a lot worse than this before it really matters.

[Dwinsgames]

Seems like players don't want to be on this team. The new browns, no one wants to be there?

Nobody likes a loser

[Mojouw]

It gets lost in the negative noise, but go read the recent stories and interviews with Myles Jack and Arthur Maulet. Those are two players that very much want to be here. In fact, coming to Pittsburgh kept Maulet from retiring. I would argue that is to the detriment of the team....but that is another thread!

MF and Watt signed massive extensions to stay here for essentially the rest of their careers.

Dan Moore Jr and Harris are almost always saying positive things about the team.

You can always find things to reinforce a negative view if you want....but if you take a look at all of it....it just isn't a systemic issue. Yet. It always could be. Who knows?

[teegre]

It gets lost in the negative noise, but go read the recent stories and interviews with Myles Jack and Arthur Maulet. Those are two players that very much want to be here. In fact, coming to Pittsburgh kept Maulet from retiring. I would argue that is to the detriment of the team....but that is another thread!

MF and Watt signed massive extensions to stay here for essentially the rest of their careers.

Dan Moore Jr and Harris are almost always saying positive things about the team.

You can always find things to reinforce a negative view if you want....but if you take a look at all of it....it just isn't a systemic issue. Yet. It always could be. Who knows?

WJ-III wouid “only” be traded to the Steelers.

JuJu bashed the offense, but he also begged Tomlin to extend him. One can love their house and simultaneously want to remodel the bathroom with the leaky shower.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

The fact is that barring a miracle the Steelers have an 8.3% chance of winning a playoff game any year. The math is that the Steelers have not won a playoff game in 10 of the last 12 seasons. One of those seasons the Steelers beat an AJ McCarron led team which I consider an act of God based on the ending. That really was a miracle.

So why complain now? It makes no sense. It is like this every year. The fans keep showing up to the point multiple away games for the Steelers are home games. Nothing is going to change so just enjoy some of the flashes from the new stars like Pickens and um... well he's the only real star under 25 as young as the team is. So just enjoy Pickens and Watt when he comes back. Don't expect to win a playoff game or you will be disappointed. Still so much to cheer for.

[86WARD]

The fact is that barring a miracle the Steelers have an 8.3% chance of winning a playoff game any year. The math is that the Steelers have not won a playoff game in 10 of the last 12 seasons. One of those seasons the Steelers beat an AJ McCarron led team which I consider an act of God based on the ending. That really was a miracle.

So why complain now? It makes no sense. It is like this every year. The fans keep showing up to the point multiple away games for the Steelers are home games. Nothing is going to change so just enjoy some of the flashes from the new stars like Pickens and um... well he's the only real star under 25 as young as the team is. So just enjoy Pickens and Watt when he comes back. Don't expect to win a playoff game or you will be disappointed. Still so much to cheer for.

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[DesertSteel]

WJ-III wouid “only” be traded to the Steelers.

JuJu bashed the offense, but he also begged Tomlin to extend him. One can love their house and simultaneously want to remodel the bathroom with the leaky shower.
Virtually all of the former player bashing has come from WRs. Sanders, AB, Juju…

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Virtually all of the former player bashing has come from WRs. Sanders, AB, Juju…

You'd have to be pretty sensitive to call that "bashing." Is it possible Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than what exists on the Steelers? Reid has had a top 10 offense almost every year for over 20 years now.

Personally the way Dick Lebeau and James Harrison were treated based on their feedback were by far the biggest incidents that put me off Tomlin (who has the second worst playoff defense since forcing out Lebeau).

[DesertSteel]

You'd have to be pretty sensitive to call that "bashing." Is it possible Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than what exists on the Steelers? Reid has had a top 10 offense almost every year for over 20 years now.

Personally the way Dick Lebeau and James Harrison were treated based on their feedback were by far the biggest incidents that put me off Tomlin (who has the second worst playoff defense since forcing out Lebeau).
Juju never said anything about me. But you're brilliant as always.

[86WARD]

You'd have to be pretty sensitive to call that "bashing." Is it possible Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than what exists on the Steelers? Reid has had a top 10 offense almost every year for over 20 years now.

Personally the way Dick Lebeau and James Harrison were treated based on their feedback were by far the biggest incidents that put me off Tomlin (who has the second worst playoff defense since forcing out Lebeau).

Not true. But go on…

[polamalubeast]

You'd have to be pretty sensitive to call that "bashing." Is it possible Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than what exists on the Steelers? Reid has had a top 10 offense almost every year for over 20 years now.

Personally the way Dick Lebeau and James Harrison were treated based on their feedback were by far the biggest incidents that put me off Tomlin (who has the second worst playoff defense since forcing out Lebeau).

Andy Reid is a great coach but between 2009 to 2017 he had only 1 playoff win and he had a 4-12 season in 2012(and the eagles had the 29th scoring offense)...Every coach can have high and low at some point.....

[Born2Steel]

I like that commercial with Andy Reid drawing mustaches on players. That guy sure can act.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Andy Reid is a great coach but between 2009 to 2017 he had only 1 playoff win and he had a 4-12 season in 2012(and the eagles had the 29th scoring offense)...Every coach can have high and low at some point.....

K. Wake me up when we hit a high point. It's been 13 seasons excepting 2016.

Reid with Mahomes in 4 seasons has never finished with fewer than 12 wins and an AFC Championship appearance.

Where are the 8-8 seasons? Why aren't the 1 and dones piling up?

[polamalubeast]

K. Wake me up when we hit a high point. It's been 13 seasons excepting 2016.

Reid with Mahomes in 4 seasons has never finished with fewer than 12 wins and an AFC Championship appearance.

Where are the 8-8 seasons? Why aren't the 1 and dones piling up?

According to your logic, Andy Reid did nothing between 2005 to 2017 (13 seasons) except for 2008

I also have issues with Tomlin and things he need to be much better and yes Reid is better than Tomlin at this point but Reid also had some very bad loss in the playoffs like in 2013 and 2017

[DesertSteel]

K. Wake me up when we hit a high point. It's been 13 seasons excepting 2016.

Reid with Mahomes in 4 seasons has never finished with fewer than 12 wins and an AFC Championship appearance.

Where are the 8-8 seasons? Why aren't the 1 and dones piling up?
You've struck a clue, and don't even realize it...

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

According to your logic, Andy Reid did nothing between 2005 to 2017 (13 seasons) except for 2008

I also have issues with Tomlin and things he need to be much better and yes Reid is better than Tomlin at this point but Reid also had some very bad loss in the playoffs like in 2013 and 2017

Andy Reid was fired... and the Eagles won a Super Bowl...

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You've struck a clue, and don't even realize it...

Tomlin had Ben for 14 seasons. 3 of 14 vs 4 of 4.

[ALLD]

Tomlin should go to the NCAA where he belongs.

[86WARD]

K. Wake me up when we hit a high point. It's been 13 seasons excepting 2016.

Reid with Mahomes in 4 seasons has never finished with fewer than 12 wins and an AFC Championship appearance.

Where are the 8-8 seasons? Why aren't the 1 and dones piling up?

Might want to check your comparisons again…

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[Steeler-in-west]

Tomlin should take Chuck Noll’s quote to heart:

The critics are always right. The only way you shut them up is by winning.

[DesertSteel]

Tomlin had Ben for 14 seasons. 3 of 14 vs 4 of 4.
You must be a real homer if you think Ben was as good as Mahomes. The latter is a generational talent and has the potential to be the GOAT. Ben was never any of that.

[teegre]

Virtually all of the former player bashing has come from WRs. Sanders, AB, Juju…

Sanders was angry, because he felt that he could have turned out as good as AB. (He's not... although, as a rookie, I felt he was the best WR taken in that draft).

JuJu has bashed Canada, but not Tomlin.

AB... uh... he is too busy trolling Marsha.

[polamalubeast]

Andy Reid was fired... and the Eagles won a Super Bowl...

.

You ignore my point again....

[Rotorhead]

Sanders was angry, because he felt that he could have turned out as good as AB. (He's not... although, as a rookie, I felt he was the best WR taken in that draft).

JuJu has bashed Canada, but not Tomlin.

AB... uh... he is too busy trolling Marsha.

Sanders had a better career than AB lol, AB should have been in the GOAT category if he didn’t have the mental issues.

[teegre]

Sanders had a better career than AB lol, AB should have been in the GOAT category if he didn’t have the mental issues.

After their rookie seasons, Sanders looked like the better player. A decade later, it’s obviously AB (I’d put his six-year stretch up against ANY receiver in history).

I also contend that if Sanders doesn’t get hurt in the Super Bowl, we win our 7th title. (Look at the misses… most to guys filling in for Sanders.)

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

You must be a real homer if you think Ben was as good as Mahomes. The latter is a generational talent and has the potential to be the GOAT. Ben was never any of that.

This is exactly why this thread needs to be deleted. Between knee jerk reactions to this season and die hard Tomlin apologists like yourself it is a pointless thread.

You sound just like Tomlin. Last year he said Canada's offense didn't work because Ben is immobile. It was always Ben's fault.

"Tomlin only had the 5th passer in NFL history! Ben isn't Mahomes! What do you expect?! Making ONE AFC Championship in Ben's final 10 seasons is super good! It's the same as going 4 for 4 with Mahomes!"

Imagine having a HOF QB for 10 seasons and producing 2 playoff wins and Steelers fans swearing Tomlin is the GOAT. It's hilarious.

Do you know who else isn't Mahomes or even Roethlisberger? Kenny Pickett. So... by logical extension you do not expect any playoff wins with Pickett and are fine with it.

[86WARD]

Do you know who else isn't Mahomes or even Roethlisberger? Kenny Pickett. So... by logical extension you do not expect any playoff wins with Pickett and are fine with it.

You don’t know that…you think that, but you don’t know that yet…

[Born2Steel]

I love it when the cough syrup kicks in. :alcoholic:

[DesertSteel]

This is exactly why this thread needs to be deleted. Between knee jerk reactions to this season and die hard Tomlin apologists like yourself it is a pointless thread.

You sound just like Tomlin. Last year he said Canada's offense didn't work because Ben is immobile. It was always Ben's fault.

"Tomlin only had the 5th passer in NFL history! Ben isn't Mahomes! What do you expect?! Making ONE AFC Championship in Ben's final 10 seasons is super good! It's the same as going 4 for 4 with Mahomes!"

Imagine having a HOF QB for 10 seasons and producing 2 playoff wins and Steelers fans swearing Tomlin is the GOAT. It's hilarious.

Do you know who else isn't Mahomes or even Roethlisberger? Kenny Pickett. So... by logical extension you do not expect any playoff wins with Pickett and are fine with it.

Your account needs to be deleted. Can you even make a coherent point? Ever? How many Super Bowl championships does Reid have, by the way? Isn't that what we're measuring? I have no doubt that if the Steelers had Mahomes, they'd be going to Super Bowls every other year. "By logical extension"? I can count KP's starts on one hand. No one knows how good he will or won't be.

As for Tomlin, I simply don't waste my time ranting for his firing because I know it will never happen. And have you noticed how well all the new coaches from the past couple years are doing?

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Your account needs to be deleted. Can you even make a coherent point? Ever? How many Super Bowl championships does Reid have, by the way? Isn't that what we're measuring? I have no doubt that if the Steelers had Mahomes, they'd be going to Super Bowls every other year. "By logical extension"? I can count KP's starts on one hand. No one knows how good he will or won't be.

As for Tomlin, I simply don't waste my time ranting for his firing because I know it will never happen. And have you noticed how well all the new coaches from the past couple years are doing?

See? You're the homer. "If the Steelers had Mahomes they'd go to the Super Bowl every other year."

The Steelers defense since 2017 in the playoffs allows 13 ppg more than Mahomes scores in the playoffs. You bad at math?

If a QB mattered as much as you laughably assert Marino would have had multiple titles, and so would Brees and Rodgers. It doesn't matter who the QB is when they have to score 48 points to win.

[Steeldude]

It doesn't matter who the QB is when they have to score 48 points to win.

It matters to me. Would you want Marino or Kordell if you need to score 48? The chances of scoring 48 with Marino are phenomenally greater than with Kordell.

[polamalubeast]

See? You're the homer. "If the Steelers had Mahomes they'd go to the Super Bowl every other year."

The Steelers defense since 2017 in the playoffs allows 13 ppg more than Mahomes scores in the playoffs. You bad at math?

If a QB mattered as much as you laughably assert Marino would have had multiple titles, and so would Brees and Rodgers. It doesn't matter who the QB is when they have to score 48 points to win.

Do you think that Tomlin is the only reason for this problem?....If this is the case,do you think that Andy Reid was the reason for the huge playoffs collapse by the chiefs in 2013(they were up 38-10 before losing this game) and 2017(they were up 21-3 against a very weak Titans team before losing this game)?

Or what about 2002 and 2003 when the eagles score only 13 combined points at home in their final playoffs game...He is a offensive coach,so do you think he deserves all the heat for that or do you have double standard for that?

Please answer his question properly and don't try to avoid his questions!

[86WARD]

See? You're the homer. "If the Steelers had Mahomes they'd go to the Super Bowl every other year."

The Steelers defense since 2017 in the playoffs allows 13 ppg more than Mahomes scores in the playoffs. You bad at math?

If a QB mattered as much as you laughably assert Marino would have had multiple titles, and so would Brees and Rodgers. It doesn't matter who the QB is when they have to score 48 points to win.

You need to start checking your facts because you’re continually spitting “fake facts”.

[Dwinsgames]

You need to start checking your facts because you’re continually spitting “fake facts”.

making them truly LIES , not facts at all ...just LIES

[fansince'76]

You need to start checking your facts because you’re continually spitting “fake facts”.

WRONG!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sdVx5gQz6w

:chuckle:

[Mojouw]

I’m interested but too lazy to look them up; how far off is our resident stat whiz?

By my count he’s got 2.46 whoppers per post, 1.89 out of context laughers, and 4 hawt takes for a total gasbag over expected score of 3 million.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

It matters to me. Would you want Marino or Kordell if you need to score 48? The chances of scoring 48 with Marino are phenomenally greater than with Kordell.

Marino never scored 48 in 18 career playoff games.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Do you think that Tomlin is the only reason for this problem?....If this is the case,do you think that Andy Reid was the reason for the huge playoffs collapse by the chiefs in 2013(they were up 38-10 before losing this game) and 2017(they were up 21-3 against a very weak Titans team before losing this game)?

Or what about 2002 and 2003 when the eagles score only 13 combined points at home in their final playoffs game...He is a offensive coach,so do you think he deserves all the heat for that or do you have double standard for that?

Please answer his question properly and don't try to avoid his questions!

I already said the Eagles should have fired Reid and the fact they won a Super Bowl afterwards is clear hindsight no?!

[polamalubeast]

I already said the Eagles should have fired Reid and the fact they won a Super Bowl afterwards is clear hindsight no?!

You didn't answer my questions again, especially my first one

[86WARD]

Marino never scored 48 in 18 career playoff games.

Neither has Tom Brady and all his Super Bowl runs. Which also means Bill Belichick never has…

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[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Neither has Tom Brady and all his Super Bowl runs. Which also means Bill Belichick never has…

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That's the point. Tomlin's defense is so bad that it is hysterical for you all to be betting on Pickett to be the GOAT by a wide margin and able to overcome bad defenses unlike Rodgers, Marino, Brees et al. You just made my point so thank you.

[polamalubeast]

Do you think that Tomlin is the only reason for this problem?....If this is the case,do you think that Andy Reid was the reason for the huge playoffs collapse by the chiefs in 2013(they were up 38-10 before losing this game) and 2017(they were up 21-3 against a very weak Titans team before losing this game)?

Or what about 2002 and 2003 when the eagles score only 13 combined points at home in their final playoffs game...He is a offensive coach,so do you think he deserves all the heat for that or do you have double standard for that?

Please answer his question properly and don't try to avoid his questions!

......

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

I'm going to list every season the Steelers had at least one playoff win since XLV: 2016.

That's the list. But still it's "Tomlin is a genius! This is the new NFL! You just don't get it, man! Tomlin is a top 5 coach!" It's wild. Mass psychosis?

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You didn't answer my questions again, especially my first one

Are you blaming personnel? I don't get your point. What are you asking?

[polamalubeast]

I'm going to list every season the Steelers had at least one playoff win since XLV: 2016.

That's the list. But still it's "Tomlin is a genius! This is the new NFL! You just don't get it, man! Tomlin is a top 5 coach!" It's wild. Mass psychosis?

Don't put words in other people's mouths and answer the real question you're being asked....No one here thinks Tomlin is a genius

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I'm going to list every season the Steelers had at least one playoff win since XLV: 2016.

That's the list. But still it's "Tomlin is a genius! This is the new NFL! You just don't get it, man! Tomlin is a top 5 coach!" It's wild. Mass psychosis?

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Are you blaming personnel? I don't get your point. What are you asking?


Not just one person who is to blame for this and things can change very quickly, in the sense maybe in 5-10 years Tomlin will win more playoff wins with the steelers or another team...Andy Reid couldn't win a playoff win at one point in his career outside of a game against Brian Hoyer and the texans....Now it's your turn to answer my questions.........



Do you think that Tomlin is the only reason for this problem?....If this is the case,do you think that Andy Reid was the reason for the huge playoffs collapse by the chiefs in 2013(they were up 38-10 before losing this game) and 2017(they were up 21-3 against a very weak Titans team before losing this game)?

Or what about 2002 and 2003 when the eagles score only 13 combined points at home in their final playoffs game...He is a offensive coach,so do you think he deserves all the heat for that or do you have double standard for that?

Please answer his question properly and don't try to avoid his questions!

[86WARD]

That's the point. Tomlin's defense is so bad that it is hysterical for you all to be betting on Pickett to be the GOAT by a wide margin and able to overcome bad defenses unlike Rodgers, Marino, Brees et al. You just made my point so thank you.

Who is betting Pickett will be the GOAT? [emoji23]

My comment has zero to do with Tomlins defense. Your reading comprehension is really bad. That’s a fact. It’s decreased a lot since you first arrived.

[polamalubeast]

Who is betting Pickett will be the GOAT? [emoji23]

My comment has zero to do with Tomlins defense. Your reading comprehension is really bad. That’s a fact. It’s decreased a lot since you first arrived.

very bad yeah

[Rotorhead]

That's the point. Tomlin's defense is so bad that it is hysterical for you all to be betting on Pickett to be the GOAT by a wide margin and able to overcome bad defenses unlike Rodgers, Marino, Brees et al. You just made my point so thank you.

Who said KP was going to be the GOAT? We all just wanted to see if he could be our next franchise QB before the end of the season. Unfortunately, with Crapnada’s OC play calling we are not sure what we have with anyone on offense.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

very bad yeah

Nobody cares about your obsession with Andy Reid. When did he coach the Steelers? Are you OK?

Tomlin picks his coaching staff and drafts the players. He is at every Pro Day of the players he and Colbert pick.

In the beginning of Tomlin's career when he was most successful by far he had much less control. Cowher had picked those players and Cowher's assistants continued with the team. The first 4 years of Tomlin's career produced 5 of 8 playoff wins. In the last 11 seasons he has 3 playoff wins (2 really).

If a coach cannot win a playoff game with a prime HOF QB then how good does his QB need to be to win games? Who is going to score 45+ reliably to overcome a historically bad (and highest paid) defense?

Everything I've said is facts and the rest of you just have coping mechanisms. Plug your ears and go "La la la." That's why this thread is a joke. There are two groups: people who still think Tomlin is a good coach because they cannot think rationally and people who just figured out he's a bad coach and that firing Canada won't fix that.

[polamalubeast]

double standard who is unable to answer to my question

[polamalubeast]

Also you think I have a obsession with Andy Reid?!?!

The irony....Just to look you with Tomlin

[86WARD]

Nobody cares about your obsession with Andy Reid. When did he coach the Steelers? Are you OK?

Tomlin picks his coaching staff and drafts the players. He is at every Pro Day of the players he and Colbert pick.

In the beginning of Tomlin's career when he was most successful by far he had much less control. Cowher had picked those players and Cowher's assistants continued with the team. The first 4 years of Tomlin's career produced 5 of 8 playoff wins. In the last 11 seasons he has 3 playoff wins (2 really).

If a coach cannot win a playoff game with a prime HOF QB then how good does his QB need to be to win games? Who is going to score 45+ reliably to overcome a historically bad (and highest paid) defense?

Everything I've said is facts and the rest of you just have coping mechanisms. Plug your ears and go "La la la." That's why this thread is a joke. There are two groups: people who still think Tomlin is a good coach because they cannot think rationally and people who just figured out he's a bad coach and that firing Canada won't fix that.

[emoji23]

“Cowher’s Players”

[86WARD]

Also you think I have a obsession with Andy Reid?!?!

The irony....Just to look you with Tomlin

I like Andy Reid’s State Farm Commercial.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Also you think I have a obsession with Andy Reid?!?!

The irony....Just to look you with Tomlin

Tomlin is the STEELERS coach. You're not very bright.

[polamalubeast]

Tomlin is the STEELERS coach. You're not very bright.

This is YOU in the post below(post 1416 in this thread) who started talking about Andy Reid,not me or other.....



You'd have to be pretty sensitive to call that "bashing." Is it possible Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than what exists on the Steelers? Reid has had a top 10 offense almost every year for over 20 years now.

Personally the way Dick Lebeau and James Harrison were treated based on their feedback were by far the biggest incidents that put me off Tomlin (who has the second worst playoff defense since forcing out Lebeau).

I said in the later post that Reid was better that Tomlin too(post 1422).....so it's not my fault if your understanding is not good and you don't like me defending Tomlin a bit by saying that other coaches also have black spots and that things can change quickly, taking an example of Andy Reid, it's your problem, not mine

[DesertSteel]

The good news is that Lloydwoodsonjr goes away when the Steelers start winning again. He's only around to bash during losing stretches.

[Mojouw]

This is YOU in the post below(post 1416 in this thread) who started talking about Andy Reid,not me or other.....




I said in the later post that Reid was better that Tomlin too(post 1422).....so it's not my fault if your understanding is not good and you don't like me defending Tomlin a bit by saying that other coaches also have black spots and that things can change quickly, taking an example of Andy Reid, it's your problem, not mine

Don't get frustrated. LWjr is not interested in actually having a conversation with you or anyone else. They only want to say the same thing over and over again without any attempt at a back and forth. And as others have pointed out it seems most of their facts are simply made up anyway and they count on no one having the time or energy to look into it.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

The good news is that Lloydwoodsonjr goes away when the Steelers start winning again. He's only around to bash during losing stretches.

The Steelers are 2-6 with the worst point differential in the NFL! They haven't won a playoff game in 6 seasons! "Winning" hahahhaha. K.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Don't get frustrated. LWjr is not interested in actually having a conversation with you or anyone else. They only want to say the same thing over and over again without any attempt at a back and forth. And as others have pointed out it seems most of their facts are simply made up anyway and they count on no one having the time or energy to look into it.

You've just admitted your own illiteracy. Reading must be hard for you. I have 5 minutes to spare. Here you go:

https://i.postimg.cc/mtMn7XG4/D53-B1-CA5-FAAE-4-C82-A408-BDABD3-AA53-E5.jpg (https://postimg.cc/mtMn7XG4)

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

This is YOU in the post below(post 1416 in this thread) who started talking about Andy Reid,not me or other.....




I said in the later post that Reid was better that Tomlin too(post 1422).....so it's not my fault if your understanding is not good and you don't like me defending Tomlin a bit by saying that other coaches also have black spots and that things can change quickly, taking an example of Andy Reid, it's your problem, not mine

Because I said maybe Juju is just being honest you have to make a referendum on Andy Reid. You're on the spectrum aren't you?

You can whine and cry about how "It isn't all Tomlin's fault" when he has vastly more import than the assistants he fired.

[86WARD]

The Steelers are 2-6 with the worst point differential in the NFL! They haven't won a playoff game in 6 seasons! "Winning" hahahhaha. K.

More false facts…lol

[polamalubeast]

He can't read....

[hawaiiansteeler]

The good news is that Lloydwoodsonjr goes away when the Steelers start winning again. He's only around to bash during losing stretches.

it's what message board trolls do...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/3a/85/bc3a85d90cbb86897fc51a6abfdad21d.jpg

[DesertSteel]

The Steelers are 2-6 with the worst point differential in the NFL! They haven't won a playoff game in 6 seasons! "Winning" hahahhaha. K.
I don't recall seeing you once a couple years ago when the Steelers were 11-0. Why don't you do yourself and us a favor and jump on another team's bandwagon. How bout the Eagles or Chiefs?

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

I don't recall seeing you once a couple years ago when the Steelers were 11-0. Why don't you do yourself and us a favor and jump on another team's bandwagon. How bout the Eagles or Chiefs?

You just said I wasn't around when the Steelers were 11-0 but also I am a bandwagon? K.

[86WARD]

You just said I wasn't around when the Steelers were 11-0 but also I am a bandwagon? K.

that is true about you.

[Dwinsgames]

You just said I wasn't around when the Steelers were 11-0 but also I am a bandwagon? K.

what he meant to say was TROLL..............

[DesertSteel]

You just said I wasn't around when the Steelers were 11-0 but also I am a bandwagon? K.
If you'll actually read, I told you to jump on a bandwagon. I didn't say you were one. Other than negative, I have no idea what you are.

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTiDECM7IFQ&t=130s

[polamalubeast]

Do you think Tomlin could step down after this year like Sean Payton did last year?....It would be a huge surprise but we never know.....If she is right,it would be Belichick,Tomlin or John Harbaugh...This is unlikely for Harbaugh since he just sign a extension in the last offseason


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[Born2Steel]

Do you think Tomlin could step down after this year like Sean Payton did last year?....It would be a huge surprise but we never know.....If she is right,it would be Belichick,Tomlin or John Harbaugh...This is unlikely for Harbaugh since he just sign a extension in the last offseason


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There’s talk behind what “scenes”?

[Mojouw]

So....if we read between the lines of this thing....

1. There's talk behind the scenes: so random people that are somehow adjacent to the NFL (that's a ton of people) are speculating based on no evidence or facts. This basically means that it could just be other NFL "pundits" saying "Hey do you think any of the long-time coaches might be interested in retiring?" then someone else says "You know, I could see that..." Boom! Now there is talk.

2. Lists get compiled. Okay. So teams with bad coaches and/or records are having their owners and GMs write up lists of who they should interview once they fire their current dirtball head coach. Great. Meaningless exercise. I suspect that most franchise have Bllly B, Mikey T, and Johnny H at the top of their lists each season. Cool. I got lists of things that are never going to happen either.

3. We'll see. Whooo. Stop the presses. We will. What a fortune teller this person is. I mean, I guess the asteroid could show up and we won't make to the hiring cycle but other than that....we will get to see what happens. It is why this bold prognosticator of the future has a job.

Hopefully, Elon Musk continues to murder Twitter and this all just goes away....but until then....just read what is actually there. And it is a tweet based on unicorn farts and elf sneezes. There is no actual content anywhere to be found. I also bet there is talk behind the scenes as to what other former players might get hired off of TV or their coaches to be head coaches. In fact, I saw two list articles about it earlier this week. We better get prepared as fans to have Hines Ward or Joey Porter be named the next Steelers head coach. It could happen. There's talk

And to be fair...I am attempting to aim this at Twitter and not PB for sharing it here. And yes, someone did piss in my Cheerios this morning and then it went downhill from there!

[86WARD]

There’s talk behind what “scenes”?

That’s just talk between a few writers. Same talk as we would have here…lol.

[Steeler-in-west]

Steelers will end up 7-10 or 8-9, thanks to Watt, overall improved health and KP’s steady improvement and a manageable schedule the rest of the way. Tomlin’s going nowhere unless one of the networks offers him a huge deal (Terry’s replacement on NFL Fox?) - that’s my random speculation based on no evidence

I’m more worried that Canada will get to stay

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHjiJbrRyR8

[polamalubeast]

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[that1guy]

This should be Tomlins last season as head coach, so tired of his inability to coach

[86WARD]

This should be Tomlins last season as head coach, so tired of his inability to coach

If Canada stays, Mikes gotta go…

[that1guy]

If Canada stays, Mikes gotta go…

Imagine being able to underperform season after season and still be considered a "great" coach

[polamalubeast]

first 3-7 start for the steelers since 2003....the last season without Ben....

[that1guy]

first 3-7 start for the steelers since 2003....the last season without Ben....

They look more like a 1 win football team

[polamalubeast]

They look more like a 1 win football team

It would been a 2-8 team if the bengals would not miss 2 easy kick because of 2 bad snap at the end of the game in week 1...More closer to be a 1 win team that a 4-6 team....

[Steeldude]

Wait, I thought Tomlin was the greatest HC? Remember, no losing seasons, right?

He is the same HC he was since day 1. That's not a good thing.

[Steeler-in-west]

Next season is his make or break season. He should lobby to get rid of Canada as soon as possible as he won’t get anywhere with that guy

Tomlin’s patented clueless look on the sidelines makes this whole shi**show feel even worse

[Edman]

Wait, I thought Tomlin was the greatest HC? Remember, no losing seasons, right?

He is the same HC he was since day 1. That's not a good thing.

He's two away. This season is definitely an indictment on him.

[Rotorhead]

Well, now this is fully Tomlins team now, nothing left from Cowher after Ben left, none of the coaches. And we see how fast this team is going down hill. We have elite talent all over the place. Our OL is crap and our coaching staff is one of the worst in the league. Tomlin’s complete lack of being able to get any talent at the coaching position is killing us. Our neglect of the OL is apparent. We can fix the OL next draft, but it won’t matter if we still have this crappy OL coach and OC. And our defense is t much better at this point. I wish Tomlin was on the Hotseat, but we all know that isn’t the case.

[polamalubeast]

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Terrible excuse....The Bengals had 2 TD drive of over 90 yards in this game...First time the steelers give up 2 TD drive of over 90 yards since at least 2000.....

[Dwinsgames]

Well, now this is fully Tomlins team now, nothing left from Cowher after Ben left, none of the coaches. And we see how fast this team is going down hill. We have elite talent all over the place. Our OL is crap and our coaching staff is one of the worst in the league. Tomlin’s complete lack of being able to get any talent at the coaching position is killing us. Our neglect of the OL is apparent. We can fix the OL next draft, but it won’t matter if we still have this crappy OL coach and OC. And our defense is t much better at this point. I wish Tomlin was on the Hotseat, but we all know that isn’t the case.


someone posted it and it stuck with me because there may not be a more true statement about Tomlin ....

Mike Tomlin's coaching tree has no roots

[BlackAndGold]

3 year contract extension coming up.

[Edman]

1594508595047063553

Terrible excuse....The Bengals had 2 TD drive of over 90 yards in this game...First time the steelers give up 2 TD drive of over 90 yards since at least 2000.....

The Steelers had the ball inside their own 20 after T.J Watt's interception and only got three out of it. Matt Canada effect at its finest. That's why they lost. A Winning team turns that into 7 and a 27-24 lead and shifts the momentum. Instead its 24-23 and the Bengals lost nothing from would've been catastrophic.

Losing teams find different ways to lose. And losing Coaches always look for pathetic excuses.

[DesertSteel]

someone posted it and it stuck with me because there may not be a more true statement about Tomlin ....

Mike Tomlin's coaching tree has no roots

I'll actually give him credit for Bruce Arians, based on how credit is given to other coaches. I'd also point out that I think having a horrible coaching tree like Bill Belichick is worse than having none at all.

[Dwinsgames]

I'll actually give him credit for Bruce Arians, based on how credit is given to other coaches. I'd also point out that I think having a horrible coaching tree like Bill Belichick is worse than having none at all.

he didnt hire B.A.

[Born2Steel]

he didnt hire B.A.

Tomlin promoted B.A. to OC from WRs coach. I put him from the Tomlin tree.

[Dwinsgames]

Tomlin promoted B.A. to OC from WRs coach. I put him from the Tomlin tree.

considering he was a RB coach with the chiefs when Bill Cowher was there and Cowher brought him to Pittsburgh I think it is safe to say if he is going to be on a steelers coaching tree it has to be Cowhers because without him he is never in Pittsburgh