FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

[Born2Steel]

considering he was a RB coach with the chiefs when Bill Cowher was there and Cowher brought him to Pittsburgh I think it is safe to say if he is going to be on a steelers coaching tree it has to be Cowhers because without him he is never in Pittsburgh

So put him off Cowher's tree. I don't know why he can't be considered from both, but whatever.

[Dwinsgames]

So put him off Cowher's tree. I don't know why he can't be considered from both, but whatever.

when you are in a coaching tree its one tree , not multiple ... maybe thats why?

[Mojouw]

Do many coaches have "deeply" rooted trees? Or branched or whatever?

Technically half the league has job right now because of like one Mike Shanahan staff while he lost a ton of games with Washington. If not that, they all breathed the same air as Sean McVay. Throw in some failed Billy B pale imitations and that is the league right now. I'm serious.

Where are all these coaches with big leafy canopies producing bunches of head coaches? Certainly not many defensive minded coaches...

[Steeler-in-west]

https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1988/11/14/will-they-win-again-or-have-the-times-passed-coaches-tom-landry-of-dallas-and-chuck-noll-of-pittsburgh-by

I expect to see more of this with Tomlin within the next 6 to 12 months, unless he turns it around next year

Noll coming off a 5-11 season -8 years removed from his last Super Bowl, 20 years as HC

Tomlin. coming off a let’s say similar record, 12 years removed from his last Super Bowl appearance, 15 years in the league as HC

[86WARD]

when you are in a coaching tree its one tree , not multiple ... maybe thats why?

He went from Tomlin to Colts to head coach. He’s not a part of either tree. He’s part of the Chuck Pagano tree. Doesn’t qualify under Tomlin or Cowher.

[Steeler-in-west]

Matt Canada would certainly qualify, although that branch is not looking too good right now

[Born2Steel]

He went from Tomlin to Colts to head coach. He’s not a part of either tree. He’s part of the Chuck Pagano tree. Doesn’t qualify under Tomlin or Cowher.

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when you are in a coaching tree its one tree , not multiple ... maybe thats why?


:rulez:

[Mojouw]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/eolz3f/oc_uniting_every_current_nfl_head_coachs_coaching/

Apparently it’s all Paul Brown’s tree! Hah!

[Born2Steel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/eolz3f/oc_uniting_every_current_nfl_head_coachs_coaching/

Apparently it’s all Paul Brown’s tree! Hah!

That is brilliant!

[DesertSteel]

when you are in a coaching tree its one tree , not multiple ... maybe thats why?

Other coaches get credit for their “tree” under all sorts of circumstances. By the way, Cowher’s tree wasn’t all that impressive either.

Summation: they both suck!

P.s. who was in Noll’s tree? Does he suck too?

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Matt Canada would certainly qualify, although that branch is not looking too good right now
Tomlin needs to follow the Lord’s instructions:

“He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit.” John‬ 15‬:2‬

[Dwinsgames]

He went from Tomlin to Colts to head coach. He’s not a part of either tree. He’s part of the Chuck Pagano tree. Doesn’t qualify under Tomlin or Cowher.

I cant give Pagano credit , Pagano got ill he was installed as an interim based on illness and shocked the world with results ..I mean he has what 3 games with Pagano ?( didnt look it up just guessing based on old man memory )

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“He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit.” John‬ 15‬:2‬


this I will agree with

[tube517]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/eolz3f/oc_uniting_every_current_nfl_head_coachs_coaching/

Apparently it’s all Paul Brown’s tree! Hah!

True but Sid Gillman has an impressive forest.

[polamalubeast]

This is important to have a tree for a head coach even if they are poor head coach....You can be a great assistant coach and a poor head coach at the same time so this is better to have a tree that have no one

[Bluecoat96]

Not that I'm advocating for Tomlin to go just yet, but what about someone like Sean Payton? I feel like Pickett/Pickens/Harris/Mooooth would flourish in his system.

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[Lady Steel]

The Steelers' coaching tree...




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[Lady Steel]

Wait, I thought Tomlin was the greatest HC? Remember, no losing seasons, right?

He is the same HC he was since day 1. That's not a good thing.

I totally agree. Some people think he talks fancy and is smart, while some of us know he talks stupid because he is stupid.

[that1guy]

I totally agree. Some people think he talks fancy and is smart, while some of us know he talks stupid because he is stupid.

I don't think Mike Tomlin is a stupid person. He fooled the Steelers organization into hiring him then got credit for leading the 2008 team for winning a Superbowl. Tomlin uses complex sounding word and catchy phrases and people assume he's a football genius. Tomlin has benefited greatly from the Steelers organization and the minds at the top. Any other NFL franchise would have fired Mike Tomlin years ago, its going to be 6 years since the Steelers won a playoff game and at this rate it may be 2-3 more until they have to talent to get back to the playoffs. How long is long enough for the Rooneys, that's the ultimate deciding factor. Fire Tomlin, clean house and start over.

[Born2Steel]

Tomlin has a .631 win percentage over the last 15 years. If he has been fooling the Steelers over that entire time it would have to be the best long game con of all time. OR just the most idiotic thing that has been posted on here in a long while.

[that1guy]

Tomlin has a .631 win percentage over the last 15 years. If he has been fooling the Steelers over that entire time it would have to be the best long game con of all time. OR just the most idiotic thing that has been posted on here in a long while.

He has achieved what he achieved because he coaches for the best organization in the NFL. It's not idiotic, it's not your opinion. If you like Tomlin and think he's a good coach, fine, that's your opinion.

[Mojouw]

He has achieved what he achieved because he coaches for the best organization in the NFL. It's not idiotic, it's not your opinion. If you like Tomlin and think he's a good coach, fine, that's your opinion.

What do the Steelers do as an organization that is different?

[DesertSteel]

He has achieved what he achieved because he coaches for the best organization in the NFL. It's not idiotic, it's not your opinion. If you like Tomlin and think he's a good coach, fine, that's your opinion.
Likely, in large part, due to your fandom. You have willed them the victory from your sofa, in spite of the incompetent coaching.

[Born2Steel]

He has achieved what he achieved because he coaches for the best organization in the NFL. It's not idiotic, it's not your opinion. If you like Tomlin and think he's a good coach, fine, that's your opinion.

What I posted is fact not opinion. Tomlin is one of the winningest HCs in the history of the NFL. Not just Superbowl era either, in the history of the NFL. AND he’s built that over 15 seasons. If you think he is a bad coach, THAT is opinion. My statement is fact.

[Born2Steel]

Andy Reid is another HC on the winningest coaches list. The Eagles let him go and he continued winning in KC. Just because coaches and franchises part ways does not mean he’s a bad coach. If the Steelers did decide to move on from HC Tomlin, he’s still a good coach and will have success again.

[Steeler-in-west]

Tomlin has a .631 win percentage over the last 15 years. If he has been fooling the Steelers over that entire time it would have to be the best long game con of all time. OR just the most idiotic thing that has been posted on here in a long while.

what did Tomlin do that is so outstanding? I think a number of current NFL coaches would’ve achieved that percentage with the talent we had

[Born2Steel]

what did Tomlin do that is so outstanding? I think a number of current NFL coaches would’ve achieved that percentage with the talent we had

Most recently…he made the playoffs in ‘20 & ‘21 without a QB or RB.

[Mojouw]

what did Tomlin do that is so outstanding? I think a number of current NFL coaches would’ve achieved that percentage with the talent we had

Assuming other coaches could’ve even gotten the talent to play well or at all.

How many players have to leave Steelers and either play worse or totally implode before people realize Tomlin has to be doing something.

[Steeler-in-west]

Most recently…he made the playoffs in ‘20 & ‘21 without a QB or RB.

he had Ben who was still better than half the QB’s out there. Not to mention a 1st round RB in 21.

[Steeler-in-west]

Assuming other coaches could’ve even gotten the talent to play well or at all.

How many players have to leave Steelers and either play worse or totally implode before people realize Tomlin has to be doing something.

like who Bell? He went to a bad jets team. MB and AB? They were already imploding when we let them go. It was Ben and the talent on O and a good defense that carried us the last decade.

[Mojouw]

like who Bell? He went to a bad jets team. MB and AB? They were already imploding when we let them go. It was Ben and the talent on O and a good defense that carried us the last decade.

Ok.

Sure. He had nothing to do with those guys producing when they were here. They magically just kept it together all on their own.

Nothing to do with unheralded guys become cornerstones. AV just became a top LT on his own. Ramon Foster would’ve just flourished anywhere.

[polamalubeast]

It is mainly because of the lack of playoff success in the last 12 years that many are frustrated(3-7 in the playoffs since 2011 with loss vs Tebow,Jaguars and Browns,the 2 worst team in the last decade).And besides, in this case, I'm talking about the steelers in general seem to think what they're doing are great even if changes need to be made for both side of the ball since the product is way below the standard at this point.....Maybe a losing season will wake the steelers up!


Also,for Tomlin,he needs to have a much better assistant in his staff since at this point, we have to be honest that it's very poor

[vader29]

Other coaches get credit for their “tree” under all sorts of circumstances. By the way, Cowher’s tree wasn’t all that impressive either.

Summation: they both suck!

P.s. who was in Noll’s tree? Does he suck too?

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Tomlin needs to follow the Lord’s instructions:

“He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit.” John‬ 15‬:2‬
Noll had 4 coaches from his staff go on to become head coaches, with Dungy the only Super Bowl winner, Cowher had 9 coaches from his and Tomlin has only had 1 so far, both Cowher and Tomlin get credit for Arians being on their staff and winning the Super Bowl as part of their tree.

Chuck Noll (https://pro-football-history.com/coach/297/chuck-noll-bio)

Bill Cowher (https://pro-football-history.com/coach/79/bill-cowher-bio)

Mike Tomlin (https://pro-football-history.com/coach/420/mike-tomlin-bio)

[Dwinsgames]

Noll had 4 coaches from his staff go on to become head coaches, with Dungy the only Super Bowl winner, Cowher had 9 coaches from his and Tomlin has only had 1 so far, both Cowher and Tomlin get credit for Arians being on their staff and winning the Super Bowl as part of their tree.

Chuck Noll (https://pro-football-history.com/coach/297/chuck-noll-bio)

Bill Cowher (https://pro-football-history.com/coach/79/bill-cowher-bio)

Mike Tomlin (https://pro-football-history.com/coach/420/mike-tomlin-bio)

so Mike Tomlin is essentially a branch of Chuck Nolls tree because Tomlin is of the Dungy tree and Dungy is of the Noll tree

[polamalubeast]

Other coaches get credit for their “tree” under all sorts of circumstances. By the way, Cowher’s tree wasn’t all that impressive either.

Summation: they both suck!

P.s. who was in Noll’s tree? Does he suck too?

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Tomlin needs to follow the Lord’s instructions:

“He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit.” John‬ 15‬:2‬

You can be a great assistant coach and a poor head coach at the same time....Problem with Tomlin,his assistant coach are way too much below average,so much that they never had interviews to be a future head coach....

[Mojouw]

so Mike Tomlin is essentially a branch of Chuck Nolls tree because Tomlin is of the Dungy tree and Dungy is of the Noll tree

And Noll is from Shula and both are also from Paul Brown. Further back than that it it’s too hodgepodge to tell.

[Steeler-in-west]

Ok.

Sure. He had nothing to do with those guys producing when they were here. They magically just kept it together all on their own.

Nothing to do with unheralded guys become cornerstones. AV just became a top LT on his own. Ramon Foster would’ve just flourished anywhere.

those guys had were brought in by the scout team and identified with talent, the position coaches probably did most of the work helping them hone their skills. Did Tomlin do anything extra or go above and beyond helping these guys out?

His job was to make sure the assistance were all doing their jobs and get the team as a whole ready for the bottom feeder teams and ‘take care of business’

[Born2Steel]

You can be a great assistant coach and a poor head coach at the same time....Problem with Tomlin,his assistant coach are way too much below average,so much that they never had interviews to be a future head coach....

Let's say your entire thought here is 100% true. Just for the discussion. Currently Tomlin has on staff Teryl Austin and Brian Flores. Flores has been a HC. Austin has been on 11 HC interviews(probably all pointless Rooney Rule fillers but 11 times). Mike Munchak coached OL for MT after being a HC. There may or may not be others but those 3 are glaring examples of Tomlin assistants that have at least been on HC interviews. BA was technically an assistant promoted by Tomlin to OC.

All this just to say, some good hires, some bad hires, some ok hires. Just like anybody else. Ask around other team forums how all those BB assistants have been as HCs. It's not really a measuring stick, in other words.

What is a measuring stick is wins/losses. Tomlin ranks near the top.

[polamalubeast]

Let's say your entire thought here is 100% true. Just for the discussion. Currently Tomlin has on staff Teryl Austin and Brian Flores. Flores has been a HC. Austin has been on 11 HC interviews(probably all pointless Rooney Rule fillers but 11 times). Mike Munchak coached OL for MT after being a HC. There may or may not be others but those 3 are glaring examples of Tomlin assistants that have at least been on HC interviews. BA was technically an assistant promoted by Tomlin to OC.

All this just to say, some good hires, some bad hires, some ok hires. Just like anybody else. Ask around other team forums how all those BB assistants have been as HCs. It's not really a measuring stick, in other words.

What is a measuring stick is wins/losses. Tomlin ranks near the top.

Depends on what criteria since we can't ignore our lack of playoff success

A total of 19 other teams have as good or better playoff records than the Steelers since 2011 including Giants, Falcons, Saints, Panthers, Colts, Titans, Bucs and Texans. The Steelers have 0 playoff wins in the last 5 years. There are 21 other teams, two-thirds of the league, who have at least one playoff win in that span.

You can't ignore that since it's the number 1 complaint of so many.....yes there will always be unhappy people no matter what since that was the case even in the period from 2004 to 2010 when the steelers were in 3 super bowl but the number would be much less huge if the steelers hadn't had fewer playoff wins than the Houston Texans since 2011


Austin,Flores and Munchak have been in another tree.....For me the tree is who was your first head coach when you were an assistant...For Tomlin it's Tony Dungy only and not Jon Gruden

[Born2Steel]

Depends on what criteria since we can't ignore our lack of playoff success

A total of 19 other teams have as good or better playoff records than the Steelers since 2011 including Giants, Falcons, Saints, Panthers, Colts, Titans, Bucs and Texans. The Steelers have 0 playoff wins in the last 5 years. There are 21 other teams, two-thirds of the league, who have at least one playoff win in that span.

You can't ignore that since it's the number 1 complaint of so many.....yes there will always be unhappy people no matter what since that was the case even in the period from 2004 to 2010 when the steelers were in 3 super bowl but the number would be much less huge if the steelers hadn't had fewer playoff wins than the Houston Texans since 2011


Austin,Flores and Munchak have been in another tree.....For me the tree is who was your first head coach when you were an assistant...For Tomlin it's Tony Dungy only and not Jon Gruden

Ok but my response was to your post that Tomlin doesn’t hire worthy assistants. Assistants that get interviews for other jobs. The choice of LeBeau or Butler was because Butler was getting attention.

[86WARD]

Pretty much a guarantee if Tomlin were fired today, he’d at the very least, find a job in Arizona in no time…lol.

[Lady Steel]

1,540 posts in just this thread alone and we still can't agree on whether or not Tomlin should go. :lol:

[teegre]

Pretty much a guarantee if Tomlin were fired today, he’d at the very least, find a job in Arizona in no time…lol.

Yep: :nod: Chargers fans are loudly hoping that the Steelers keep on losing, thus increasing the chances that Tomlin will become available.

[Mojouw]

those guys had were brought in by the scout team and identified with talent, the position coaches probably did most of the work helping them hone their skills. Did Tomlin do anything extra or go above and beyond helping these guys out?

His job was to make sure the assistance were all doing their jobs and get the team as a whole ready for the bottom feeder teams and ‘take care of business’

OK. So a Head Coach has no hand in any of that?

Your argument seems to be that the Steelers organization not the head coach is responsible for any and all success while the head coach is responsible for all failure?

That seems to be unlikely.

An example. Zach Banner. It ended up not working out. But Banner has give extensive interviews about how he had candid sit downs with Tomlin and Tomlin laid out a clear plan to transform Banner from failed draft pick to top tier OT. Day to day Tomlin was not going to be doing anything with Banner. But Banner got his marching orders for a plan and a path forward from Tomlin. Why should we believe that other cases are somehow different?

Also, I am pretty sure I read somewhere or other that Tomlin was highly involved in bringing in AV. But I admit I can not remember the details or where I found that information.

[DesertSteel]

Yep: :nod: Chargers fans are loudly hoping that the Steelers keep on losing, thus increasing the chances that Tomlin will become available.
They better be hoping he goes 0 for the next 32. Lol

[HollywoodSteel]

I really don't understand the whole obsession with "coaching trees" as any kind of yardstick for measuring the quality of HCs. I don't want my head coach being awesome at identifying future head coaches and hiring those guys over guys who are just good at the specific job required of them to make MY team better. Do we judge Belichick harshly for the failures of the fruit that fell from his tree? He doesn't give two shits about cultivating future successful HCs, nor should he.

Being a great HC is a different skillset than being a great coordinator or position coach. Sure there are some guys who prove to have the additional skills to do a DIFFERENT job for another team down the line, but that means nothing to me. Was Dick Lebeau a "bad hire" because he never had success as a HC? I'm glad he failed as a HC. It meant he knew what he was good at so he was less likely to leave.

I want my HC only interested in helping my team and hiring the people who will do very specific things to make MY team better. Full stop.

[Steeler-in-west]

OK. So a Head Coach has no hand in any of that?

Your argument seems to be that the Steelers organization not the head coach is responsible for any and all success while the head coach is responsible for all failure?

That seems to be unlikely.

An example. Zach Banner. It ended up not working out. But Banner has give extensive interviews about how he had candid sit downs with Tomlin and Tomlin laid out a clear plan to transform Banner from failed draft pick to top tier OT. Day to day Tomlin was not going to be doing anything with Banner. But Banner got his marching orders for a plan and a path forward from Tomlin. Why should we believe that other cases are somehow different?

Also, I am pretty sure I read somewhere or other that Tomlin was highly involved in bringing in AV. But I admit I can not remember the details or where I found that information.

Alright, A couple meetings with Banner and having a hand in recruiting AV - cool, good job, i'm sure alot of run of the mill NFL coaches have done similar

Basically, I said in this case with the talent we had we should've had more success and yes that falls on the coach who is supposed to make sure the talent realizes its full potential. 2 wildcard wins and 1 divisional win since our last super bowl appearance 12 years ago? When you have the talent we had with Ben, Bell, the receivers, the all pros on the line, a pretty stout defense, its a given that we should rack up regular season wins against lesser talented teams - which we did, i'll say for the most part. That's nothing extraordinary and alot of coaches could probably pull that off. But when it comes to the playoffs where the talent level equalizes - coaching, preparation, and scheme put you over the top - our playoff record speaks for itself. I give credit to Tomlin for 2007 to 10, he did what he was supposed to do, made sure the talent realized its full potential, but these last 12 years? with the talent we had? You have to hold the HC responsible.

I think Chuck Noll was the greatest coach we've ever had, but if he had the same record to go with the talent of Tomlins teams these last 12 years - i would be equally disappointed and say the same thing - "team underperformed - maybe his time is coming to an end"

[Mojouw]

Alright, A couple meetings with Banner and having a hand in recruiting AV - cool, good job, i'm sure alot of run of the mill NFL coaches have done similar

Basically, I said in this case with the talent we had we should've had more success and yes that falls on the coach who is supposed to make sure the talent realizes its full potential. 2 wildcard wins and 1 divisional win since our last super bowl appearance 12 years ago? When you have the talent we had with Ben, Bell, the receivers, the all pros on the line, a pretty stout defense, its a given that we should rack up regular season wins against lesser talented teams - which we did, i'll say for the most part. That's nothing extraordinary and alot of coaches could probably pull that off. But when it comes to the playoffs where the talent level equalizes - coaching, preparation, and scheme put you over the top - our playoff record speaks for itself. I give credit to Tomlin for 2007 to 10, he did what he was supposed to do, made sure the talent realized its full potential, but these last 12 years? with the talent we had? You have to hold the HC responsible.

I think Chuck Noll was the greatest coach we've ever had, but if he had the same record to go with the talent of Tomlins teams these last 12 years - i would be equally disappointed and say the same thing - "team underperformed - maybe his time is coming to an end"

That's just it. Not a lot of coaches have done similar. Who else kept AB in line? Who else kept Bryant sober enough to play a couple of games? Who else kept Bell motivated and in shape?

Go look at the Ravens roster for the last however many years. Look at their playoff record. Were they "supposed" to win more? If so, why didn't they?
Look at the 49ers recent non-QB roster. Pretty good, right? Where are there strings of playoff wins.
What about the Titans?
How about the Seahawks?
The Packers?
The Cowboys?

We could do this all day and night. Who isn't underperforming by the standards that are being used in this thread? The team(s) Tom Brady plays for. The Chiefs. That's it. Or at aleast it seems that way.

It is possible no one is responsible because the whole "supposed" to do x or y or z is a nonsensical sports radio argument. The NFL is perhaps the hardest professional sports league to win in. Yet Tomlin has done it longer and at a higher level than most and still people think he just goes to work, sacks out on the couch, lets his assistants do all the heavy lifting, and then calls it a day.

Seriously?

FWIW, Tomlin's playoff win % is 2 games off Bill Cowher's and Don Shula's. So he wins 2 more wildcard games in 15 years...is everything ok?

It is a nonsensical argument.

[86WARD]

That's just it. Not a lot of coaches have done similar. Who else kept AB in line? Who else kept Bryant sober enough to play a couple of games? Who else kept Bell motivated and in shape?

Go look at the Ravens roster for the last however many years. Look at their playoff record. Were they "supposed" to win more? If so, why didn't they?
Look at the 49ers recent non-QB roster. Pretty good, right? Where are there strings of playoff wins.
What about the Titans?
How about the Seahawks?
The Packers?
The Cowboys?

We could do this all day and night. Who isn't underperforming by the standards that are being used in this thread? The team(s) Tom Brady plays for. The Chiefs. That's it. Or at aleast it seems that way.

It is possible no one is responsible because the whole "supposed" to do x or y or z is a nonsensical sports radio argument. The NFL is perhaps the hardest professional sports league to win in. Yet Tomlin has done it longer and at a higher level than most and still people think he just goes to work, sacks out on the couch, lets his assistants do all the heavy lifting, and then calls it a day.

Seriously?

FWIW, Tomlin's playoff win % is 2 games off Bill Cowher's and Don Shula's. So he wins 2 more wildcard games in 15 years...is everything ok?

It is a nonsensical argument.

All silly arguments…Tomlin does nothing…

[Steeler-in-west]

That's just it. Not a lot of coaches have done similar. Who else kept AB in line? Who else kept Bryant sober enough to play a couple of games? Who else kept Bell motivated and in shape?

Go look at the Ravens roster for the last however many years. Look at their playoff record. Were they "supposed" to win more? If so, why didn't they?
Look at the 49ers recent non-QB roster. Pretty good, right? Where are there strings of playoff wins.
What about the Titans?
How about the Seahawks?
The Packers?
The Cowboys?

We could do this all day and night. Who isn't underperforming by the standards that are being used in this thread? The team(s) Tom Brady plays for. The Chiefs. That's it. Or at aleast it seems that way.

It is possible no one is responsible because the whole "supposed" to do x or y or z is a nonsensical sports radio argument. The NFL is perhaps the hardest professional sports league to win in. Yet Tomlin has done it longer and at a higher level than most and still people think he just goes to work, sacks out on the couch, lets his assistants do all the heavy lifting, and then calls it a day.

Seriously?

FWIW, Tomlin's playoff win % is 2 games off Bill Cowher's and Don Shula's. So he wins 2 more wildcard games in 15 years...is everything ok?

It is a nonsensical argument.

Its not non-sensical, its a totally valid argument about underperforming - and you know we're taking contention, not a couple wildcard games as you call it. When you have the sports writers and commentators, many of whom are former coaches and players calling the steelers contenders and favorites years after year and they fall way short - one and done or just missing the playoffs entirely - something is wrong. Did all those writers and commentators (not to mention us fans) overestimate the team year after year? Was Ben overrated? or was the coaching staff (i.e. Tomlin) outcoached in the playoffs or unprepared for a few regular season gimmie's? You really think Tomlin did an amazing job and got everything out of the talent he had? Ben and the killer B's with the all-pro line and D were really not that good as everyone thought and Tomlin just performed an amazing job dragging those flawed guys to a one and done in the playoffs? that is non-sensical.

[Mojouw]

Its not non-sensical, its a totally valid argument about underperforming - and you know we're taking contention, not a couple wildcard games as you call it. When you have the sports writers and commentators, many of whom are former coaches and players calling the steelers contenders and favorites years after year and they fall way short - one and done or just missing the playoffs entirely - something is wrong. Did all those writers and commentators (not to mention us fans) overestimate the team year after year? Was Ben overrated? or was the coaching staff (i.e. Tomlin) outcoached in the playoffs or unprepared for a few regular season gimmie's? You really think Tomlin did an amazing job and got everything out of the talent he had? Ben and the killer B's with the all-pro line and D were really not that good as everyone thought and Tomlin just performed an amazing job dragging those flawed guys to a one and done in the playoffs? that is non-sensical.

Okay. So now we are evaluating things because the NFL media said some stuff. These are the same places that if typically predict more WINS than are possible across the league. Look...the entire league is going 9-7. LOL!

For me, any head coach that annually gets their team to the playoffs has done their job. At some point it is up to a combination of luck and player execution. Winning NFL playoff games is harder than any other sport. Steelers under Tomlin had horrible injury luck and some weird playoff bounces. Shit happens.

Take Tomlin's record and stack it up against any other similar roster from the same era. He comes up short in one comparison - the Brady/Billy B Patriots. Anyone else that I can think of...he matches or exceeds their achievements. 31 teams come up short each season.

For the games thing....I'm just telling you what the math is. Take any 2 of Tomlin's playoff losses and make them wins. Then the Steelers go out the next round and he has the same playoff win % as Shula and Cowher. Are they underachievers?

[Steeler-in-west]

Okay. So now we are evaluating things because the NFL media said some stuff. These are the same places that if typically predict more WINS than are possible across the league. Look...the entire league is going 9-7. LOL!

For me, any head coach that annually gets their team to the playoffs has done their job. At some point it is up to a combination of luck and player execution. Winning NFL playoff games is harder than any other sport. Steelers under Tomlin had horrible injury luck and some weird playoff bounces. Shit happens.

Take Tomlin's record and stack it up against any other similar roster from the same era. He comes up short in one comparison - the Brady/Billy B Patriots. Anyone else that I can think of...he matches or exceeds their achievements. 31 teams come up short each season.

For the games thing....I'm just telling you what the math is. Take any 2 of Tomlin's playoff losses and make them wins. Then the Steelers go out the next round and he has the same playoff win % as Shula and Cowher. Are they underachievers?

We're talking the last ten years: 3-6 in that span, any coach with that record in that stretch is underachieving with those guys. Your just rationalizing the underperformance of the last decade. Those NFL media guys as you call them, some of who are former coaches and players are paid to give their professional opinion - i think they know some football. But somehow they and we kept overestimating our team - was it always horrible luck? injuries? Or Belichick? Are we always going to make excuses or rationalize poor performances?

3-6, Chuck Noll was 2-4 during the terrible 80's with a bunch of has-beens and never-wases

[pepsyman1]

This argument will go on and on. We all have our opinion one way or another. I'll state again that I think Tomlin is a good coach but not a great one. I don't see the Steelers changing head coaches in the next year or so, so we will get to see what Tomlin is able to build without a HOF QB that was here when he arrived. From what I've seen during the time we HAD Big Ben, I'm not confident in Tomlin forging another team that consistently is in the mix for championship. I'll throw one other stat at everyone to consider (and we've looked at all of them in comparison to Noll, Cowher and other coaches in the league). This is Tomlin's 16th year as head coach, we aren't going to make the playoffs this year. That means that in 16 seasons as head coach, Tomlin has won at least one playoff game in only FOUR seasons or 25% of the time he's been here. 12 seasons out of 16 there have been no playoff victories. By comparison Noll had 8 seasons out of 23 that he had at least one playoff win, Cowher 8 out of 15 seasons that he had a playoff win. Parcells 7/19 seasons, Andy Ried 12/23 seasons, Bellichick 15/27 seasons.... Tomlin 4 out of 12

[86WARD]

We're talking the last ten years: 3-6 in that span, any coach with that record in that stretch is underachieving with those guys. Your just rationalizing the underperformance of the last decade. Those NFL media guys as you call them, some of who are former coaches and players are paid to give their professional opinion - i think they know some football. But somehow they and we kept overestimating our team - was it always horrible luck? injuries? Or Belichick? Are we always going to make excuses or rationalize poor performances?

3-6, Chuck Noll was 2-4 during the terrible 80's with a bunch of has-beens and never-wases

Take the last 13 years. How many coaches have won a Super Bowl and how many have been to two? Other than Belichick, you can spin these same arguments in some form or fashion about any one of those coaches from the last 13, 12, 10, 7, 5, whatever years…

[polamalubeast]

This argument will go on and on. We all have our opinion one way or another. I'll state again that I think Tomlin is a good coach but not a great one. I don't see the Steelers changing head coaches in the next year or so, so we will get to see what Tomlin is able to build without a HOF QB that was here when he arrived. From what I've seen during the time we HAD Big Ben, I'm not confident in Tomlin forging another team that consistently is in the mix for championship. I'll throw one other stat at everyone to consider (and we've looked at all of them in comparison to Noll, Cowher and other coaches in the league). This is Tomlin's 16th year as head coach, we aren't going to make the playoffs this year. That means that in 16 seasons as head coach, Tomlin has won at least one playoff game in only FOUR seasons or 25% of the time he's been here. 12 seasons out of 16 there have been no playoff victories. By comparison Noll had 8 seasons out of 23 that he had at least one playoff win, Cowher 8 out of 15 seasons that he had a playoff win. Parcells 7/19 seasons, Andy Ried 12/23 seasons, Bellichick 15/27 seasons.... Tomlin 4 out of 12

Good info...And when you have less playoffs win that the Houston Texans during a long period of time(since 2011)this is a problem....It don't mean this is all on Tomlin but at the same time we have not been close to win a single playoffs win in our last 4 playoffs game,down by at least 21 points at one point in each of his games....

[Mojouw]

We're talking the last ten years: 3-6 in that span, any coach with that record in that stretch is underachieving with those guys. Your just rationalizing the underperformance of the last decade. Those NFL media guys as you call them, some of who are former coaches and players are paid to give their professional opinion - i think they know some football. But somehow they and we kept overestimating our team - was it always horrible luck? injuries? Or Belichick? Are we always going to make excuses or rationalize poor performances?

3-6, Chuck Noll was 2-4 during the terrible 80's with a bunch of has-beens and never-wases

I put zero stock in the preseason NFL pundit predictions. They are almost never correct or even close. Like I said, add up the wins they predict. Then look up the wins that are even possible based on the # of games in the NFL schedule. Often, the two numbers don't match up. These guys aren't grinding film in a basement somewhere learning about all these teams. They watch a couple of games on Sundays and form opinions. Basically like most of us here.

I think that a HC that annually gets his team to the playoffs is doing their job. The NFL playoffs are chaotic and largely hinged on chance, luck, and other uncontrollable things.

Again, stack his record up against anyone else's since he has entered the league. Who is doing it substantially better?

This is the current boogeyman lurking over everyone's shoulder: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PaytSe0.htm -- the coach every owner is drooling over hiring.

Not exactly a playoff force...

[polamalubeast]

I put zero stock in the preseason NFL pundit predictions. They are almost never correct or even close. Like I said, add up the wins they predict. Then look up the wins that are even possible based on the # of games in the NFL schedule. Often, the two numbers don't match up. These guys aren't grinding film in a basement somewhere learning about all these teams. They watch a couple of games on Sundays and form opinions. Basically like most of us here.

I think that a HC that annually gets his team to the playoffs is doing their job. The NFL playoffs are chaotic and largely hinged on chance, luck, and other uncontrollable things.

Again, stack his record up against anyone else's since he has entered the league. Who is doing it substantially better?

This is the current boogeyman lurking over everyone's shoulder: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PaytSe0.htm -- the coach every owner is drooling over hiring.

Not exactly a playoff force...

I get your point and that's one reason why Marty Schottenheimer's awful record in the playoffs is mostly down to bad luck since he's never seemed to get a break in the playoffs in his career but in the case of the steelers ,in the last 4 playoff games, they were down by 21 points or more in each of his games, so it really wasn't bad luck in this case

I'm not saying that Tomlin is the only reason for that, since it's not the case and last year the steelers had no chance of winning in KC but the others, we could be at least more competitive but that was not the case

Things need to change, since it was not close

[Rotorhead]

I am not concerned with playoff wins, I am concerned that as Cowhers players and coaches left this team, it got worse. The last of them left last year (and let’s face it, he was the reason we got to the playoffs) and here we are.
This is fully Tomlin’s team now, coaches and players. This team constantly has no answers after the first half of games, there are never any noticeable changes, other than the teams we are facing seem to have figured out what we are doing and have an answer. Clock management is still one of the worst in the league. Coordinators are terrible and seem to get worse with every change. For being a defense minded coach, our defense can’t seem to perform up to its talent game in and game out (although this season I can give them a pass with out TJ and the constant 3 and outs by the offense). And the fact that Tomlin doesn’t seem to want/know what to do about it is what is killing me.

[Mojouw]

You are not watching enough football if you think the Steelers clock management is the worst in the league.

Whoooo...boy....there are some doozies out there. Hackett in Denver. And some combination of Brady-Bowles-Leftwich just screwed the pooch this past week.

No defense lives up to the standards laid out here. There are rarely repeat seasons of excellent defense over the last decade. This year the Rams, Ravens, and Browns were all predicted to have incredible defenses and they have totally been not that.

There are 31 other teams to compare the Tomlin led Steelers to. Use those instead of media driven narratives and arbitrary fan expectations. I am not aware of another coach who has vastly exceeded Tomlin's record/performance. Maybe I am just not remembering or recalling the right comparisons...

[86WARD]

You are not watching enough football if you think the Steelers clock management is the worst in the league.

Whoooo...boy....there are some doozies out there. Hackett in Denver. And some combination of Brady-Bowles-Leftwich just screwed the pooch this past week.

No defense lives up to the standards laid out here. There are rarely repeat seasons of excellent defense over the last decade. This year the Rams, Ravens, and Browns were all predicted to have incredible defenses and they have totally been not that.

There are 31 other teams to compare the Tomlin led Steelers to. Use those instead of media driven narratives and arbitrary fan expectations. I am not aware of another coach who has vastly exceeded Tomlin's record/performance. Maybe I am just not remembering or recalling the right comparisons...

Watch the Lions/Bills game. Plenty of Dan Campbell clock mismanagement there…so much that they lost the game.

[Steeler-in-west]

I put zero stock in the preseason NFL pundit predictions. They are almost never correct or even close. Like I said, add up the wins they predict. Then look up the wins that are even possible based on the # of games in the NFL schedule. Often, the two numbers don't match up. These guys aren't grinding film in a basement somewhere learning about all these teams. They watch a couple of games on Sundays and form opinions. Basically like most of us here.

I think that a HC that annually gets his team to the playoffs is doing their job. The NFL playoffs are chaotic and largely hinged on chance, luck, and other uncontrollable things.

Again, stack his record up against anyone else's since he has entered the league. Who is doing it substantially better?

This is the current boogeyman lurking over everyone's shoulder: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PaytSe0.htm -- the coach every owner is drooling over hiring.

Not exactly a playoff force...

Your describing Tomlin as nothing more than an ok or good coach - certainly not a great coach. Taking a stacked team on O and a top 5 or 10 defense most years to a one and done? That's certainly not great. And Tomlin has not been great since 2011 to 2020.

Keep in mind i'm not considering since he entered the league. I'm looking at the last decade, which is what he should be judged on. Noll was judged on his last ten years when he was pushed out finally - why should Tomlin have a different set of guidelines?

Just to have a perspective for Tomlin versus some of his peers for the last ten years (i'm leaving Bill out to not skew the data):

John Harbaugh 97-63, 60% reg season winning %, 6-5 in the playoffs with 1 SB
Pete Carroll 105-54-1, 67% reg season winning %, 8-7 in the playoffs 1 SB
Andy Reid, 115-62, 65% reg season winning %, 9-7 in the playoffs 1 SB
Sean Payton, 82-46, 56% reg season winning %, 4-5 in the playoffs
Mike Tomlin, 102-57-1, 64% reg season wining %, 3-6 in the playoffs, by the way, we were in the playoffs 6 out of those 10 years.

Tomlin is right up there in reg season winning percentage but among his comparable peers the playoff performance is weak. Every team encounters injury or bad breaks great coaches find ways to overcome them (unless its your HOF QB or excessive injuries).

btw, I'm not for Tomlin's firing, he deserves a chance to rebuild the team; i would give him next year for a chance to improve on the present season. It just don't agree with the notion that he's a great or even a very good coach, he's been ok the last decade and i would unfortunately call my team underachieving for the last 10 years of Ben's career.

[Steeler-in-west]

Take the last 13 years. How many coaches have won a Super Bowl and how many have been to two? Other than Belichick, you can spin these same arguments in some form or fashion about any one of those coaches from the last 13, 12, 10, 7, 5, whatever years…

why should he be judged on a performance over 10 years ago? His last 10 years is what's most relevant.

[Rotorhead]

The last 10 years, 20 years whatever, doesn’t matter. There was a glaring issue with this team last year and this year. Last year plenty thought it was on Ben, even when the evidence bore out that the only time we were effective was when Ben was calling his own plays. But the chorus was, “we need a mobile QB, Ben is too old, blah blah”. Here we are this season, same problems, only we don’t have Ben to bail the team out (if we did I imagine we would be tied for the division lead right now). It is obvious to everyone watching the Steelers that the OC is terrible. That is on Tomlin, period. He didn’t make the change after last season, and didn’t make it during the bye. If he doesn’t make it after this season, then he is the problem and has to go.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

I put zero stock in the preseason NFL pundit predictions. They are almost never correct or even close. Like I said, add up the wins they predict. Then look up the wins that are even possible based on the # of games in the NFL schedule. Often, the two numbers don't match up. These guys aren't grinding film in a basement somewhere learning about all these teams. They watch a couple of games on Sundays and form opinions. Basically like most of us here.

I think that a HC that annually gets his team to the playoffs is doing their job. The NFL playoffs are chaotic and largely hinged on chance, luck, and other uncontrollable things.

Again, stack his record up against anyone else's since he has entered the league. Who is doing it substantially better?

This is the current boogeyman lurking over everyone's shoulder: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PaytSe0.htm -- the coach every owner is drooling over hiring.

Not exactly a playoff force...

Why keep using the straw man of what pundits say? Coach Tomlin himself has stated "We play for Super Bowls" ad nauseam. That is the standard as defined by Tomlin himself and the Steelers are no where close.

Also too much whataboutism with other coaches. What does Don Shula have to do with anything and why do some posters get fixated on non-sequiturs? I don't get it.

Funny how every team with a HOF QB gets to the playoffs almost every year. Peyton Manning went to the Super Bowl with 4 different head coaches! Wow! He was so lucky to get all those great coaches! Hahahha

[86WARD]

why should he be judged on a performance over 10 years ago? His last 10 years is what's most relevant.

Still doesn’t work. Lol. Same arguments can be made towards any single coach not named Belichick.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Still doesn’t work. Lol. Same arguments can be made towards any single coach not named Belichick.

There are kids in grade 1 that weren't alive the last time the Steelers won a playoff game. The last win was January 15th, 2017 and Obama was still President. It's been so long since the Steelers won a playoff game people were still using selfie sticks and fidget spinners. Conor McGregor was winning fights that's how long it has been. Aaron Hernandez was still alive. The Bengals and Browns hadn't won a playoff game since 1991 and 1994 respectively.

How many people will be like you in 2024 when the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in 9 seasons but just cling on to the past like it was a deceased loved one?

[Mojouw]

Ummmm....so let me get out my meaningless argument slide rule....

How many years between playoff wins is acceptable? 1? 4? Less than 9?

Also, how many playoff wins do you need? I have heard one and done is just a joke and doesn't count.

Many old legends warn that losing in the divisional round is embarrassing and the players should be ashamed. How accountable do I need to hold the coaching staff? Should I be sending anthrax or just firebombing their garage?

[DesertSteel]

There are kids in grade 1 that weren't alive the last time the Steelers won a playoff game.
There are fans of 12 teams that have lived there entire lives without ever seeing one Super Bowl win! There are millions of people buried in the cemetery that never saw their team win a Super Bowl after following them for a lifetime.

Get over yourself.

[polamalubeast]

There are fans of 12 teams that have lived there entire lives without ever seeing one Super Bowl win! There are millions of people buried in the cemetery that never saw their team win a Super Bowl after following them for a lifetime.

Get over yourself.

Imagine be fan of the Detroit Lions....1 Playoffs win since 1958!

[Born2Steel]

Imagine be fan of the Detroit Lions....1 Playoffs win since 1958!

LOL! I know some Lions fans. They are pretty excited about Wolverine football right now.

I had an aunt and uncle that lived in the NOLA area. My uncle passed the summer before the Saints won the SB. That was one of the more confusing, bitter-sweet, how do I feel about this, moments of my life. Their entire apartment was decorated with Saints memorabilia dating all the way back to year 1. He was a true dyed in the wool fan that just never got his moment. (But at least he got to see my Steelers win #6)

[DesertSteel]

Imagine be fan of the Detroit Lions....1 Playoffs win since 1958!
Yeah but the Steelers have kids in the 1st grade who haven't seen a playoff win! ROFL

[Rotorhead]

There are kids in grade 1 that weren't alive the last time the Steelers won a playoff game. The last win was January 15th, 2017 and Obama was still President. It's been so long since the Steelers won a playoff game people were still using selfie sticks and fidget spinners. Conor McGregor was winning fights that's how long it has been. Aaron Hernandez was still alive. The Bengals and Browns hadn't won a playoff game since 1991 and 1994 respectively.

How many people will be like you in 2024 when the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in 9 seasons but just cling on to the past like it was a deceased loved one?

There are new borns that haven’t seen any playoff wins . . . This is probably the dumbest response I have read to date.

[DuckHodges]

Yeah but the Steelers have kids in the 1st grade who haven't seen a playoff win! ROFL

Do kids in 1st grade even know what the playoffs is lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAWvvE9w6Po

[Craic]

Also too much whataboutism with other coaches. What does Don Shula have to do with anything and why do some posters get fixated on non-sequiturs? I don't get it.

Because you most likely are misapplying non-sequitur. In the context of how well a coach is doing, comparing that coach to another coach is far from a non-sequitur. Moreover, it's a valid comparison in that it tempers expectations and brings (most) fans back to reality. What is that reality?

Only one coach has won six SBs. One coach (Noll) won four SBs. Three have won two SBs. Nine have won two SBs. The expectation of winning a SB more than once with a head coach is foolish. Do not confuse "goal" with expectation.

[pczach]

Yeah but the Steelers have kids in the 1st grade who haven't seen a playoff win! ROFL


Oh.....the humanity!!!!!

[86WARD]

There are kids in grade 1 that weren't alive the last time the Steelers won a playoff game. The last win was January 15th, 2017 and Obama was still President. It's been so long since the Steelers won a playoff game people were still using selfie sticks and fidget spinners. Conor McGregor was winning fights that's how long it has been. Aaron Hernandez was still alive. The Bengals and Browns hadn't won a playoff game since 1991 and 1994 respectively.

How many people will be like you in 2024 when the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in 9 seasons but just cling on to the past like it was a deceased loved one?

Still doesn’t change the fact that the same thing can be said about 30 other coaches. Lol.

[Mojouw]

Because you most likely are misapplying non-sequitur. In the context of how well a coach is doing, comparing that coach to another coach is far from a non-sequitur. Moreover, it's a valid comparison in that it tempers expectations and brings (most) fans back to reality. What is that reality?

Only one coach has won six SBs. One coach (Noll) won four SBs. Three have won two SBs. Nine have won two SBs. The expectation of winning a SB more than once with a head coach is foolish. Do not confuse "goal" with expectation.

That’s some solid thinking right there. You know this is the internet, right? That’s got no place here.

[DesertSteel]

Because you most likely are misapplying non-sequitur. In the context of how well a coach is doing, comparing that coach to another coach is far from a non-sequitur. Moreover, it's a valid comparison in that it tempers expectations and brings (most) fans back to reality. What is that reality?

Only one coach has won six SBs. One coach (Noll) won four SBs. Three have won two SBs. Nine have won two SBs. The expectation of winning a SB more than once with a head coach is foolish. Do not confuse "goal" with expectation.
Don’t forget Gibbs. He won 3. I think he’s the best of them all.

[dislocatedday]

Ummmm....so let me get out my meaningless argument slide rule....

How many years between playoff wins is acceptable? 1? 4? Less than 9?

Also, how many playoff wins do you need? I have heard one and done is just a joke and doesn't count.

Many old legends warn that losing in the divisional round is embarrassing and the players should be ashamed. How accountable do I need to hold the coaching staff? Should I be sending anthrax or just firebombing their garage?

It's hard to win playoff games every year particularly with free agency, and I have to remind myself of that sometimes. Over the past decade, I'm not sure there are that many teams that are consistently winning playoff games for several years in a row and going deep. I'm not looking up any stats on this, but my gut tells me that Kansas City and New England are the only ones in the AFC that fit this category over the last 10 years. In the NFC I think you have maybe San Fran, Green Bay, and Philadelphia as the only ones (...again, I may be wrong as this is just my thoughts off the top of my head and I did not look up their playoff records over the last decade...). Green Bay in particular has yet to make it back to the Super Bowl despite all those home field advantages they had.

I thought some of the Steelers squads would go deeper in some of those seasons since 2011, but they did not.

For me, and I realize not everyone thinks the same, Tomlin has never really lost a team during a season and has repeatedly been able to handle adversity and the ups and downs of the NFL. Players like playing for him and play hard from what I can tell. I think he does need a really strong offensive coordinator (which Canada is not) on his coaching staff to complement him, but I think as a head coach he has been stellar when you compare him overall to other NFL head coaches over the last decade.

[tube517]

Don’t forget Gibbs. He won 3. I think he’s the best of them all.

Thinking back, Gibbs doesn't get mentioned as much as some of the other great coaches. 3 Super Bowl Champions w/3 different QBs. Good defenses with alot of nobodies. Power running game but still passed alot.

[Craic]

Thinking back, Gibbs doesn't get mentioned as much as some of the other great coaches. 3 Super Bowl Champions w/3 different QBs. Good defenses with alot of nobodies. Power running game but still passed alot.

I wonder if that's because of his second three-year stint. Did it take some of the shine off the memory, perhaps?

[polamalubeast]

I wonder if that's because of his second three-year stint. Did it take some of the shine off the memory, perhaps?

He was not the same coach and this is not easy to be a good coach once again when you were out of the NFL for over 10 years but it was not a disaster too....They make the playoffs twice in 4 years under Gibbs with a very below average team

[DesertSteel]

I wonder if that's because of his second three-year stint. Did it take some of the shine off the memory, perhaps?
Look at Noll’s last years and Belichick without Brady. For me, he gets a pass on that short stint.

[tube517]

He was not the same coach and this is not easy to be a good coach once again when you were out of the NFL for over 10 years but it was not a disaster too....They make the playoffs twice in 4 years under Gibbs with a very below average team

with old as dirt Mark Brunell and Jason Campbell at QB.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Ummmm....so let me get out my meaningless argument slide rule....

How many years between playoff wins is acceptable? 1? 4? Less than 9?

Also, how many playoff wins do you need? I have heard one and done is just a joke and doesn't count.

Many old legends warn that losing in the divisional round is embarrassing and the players should be ashamed. How accountable do I need to hold the coaching staff? Should I be sending anthrax or just firebombing their garage?

"Many old legends"? Are you attacking Mean Joe again as a clout chaser? Haven't seen Joe around lately. Must be in his tiny Texas town not bothering people. :scratchchin:

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There are fans of 12 teams that have lived there entire lives without ever seeing one Super Bowl win! There are millions of people buried in the cemetery that never saw their team win a Super Bowl after following them for a lifetime.

Get over yourself.

"Get over yourself" says the guy posing at the gym for his profile pic. How many people did you flip out on for walking in front of the camera while you were posing?

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Because you most likely are misapplying non-sequitur. In the context of how well a coach is doing, comparing that coach to another coach is far from a non-sequitur. Moreover, it's a valid comparison in that it tempers expectations and brings (most) fans back to reality. What is that reality?

Only one coach has won six SBs. One coach (Noll) won four SBs. Three have won two SBs. Nine have won two SBs. The expectation of winning a SB more than once with a head coach is foolish. Do not confuse "goal" with expectation.

Listen, pedant, the Steelers winning Super Bowls is both their goal and expectation (at least rhetorically and ostensibly). In what world are a goal and expectation so far removed as to be impossible to conflate?

What really matters is what Knute Rockne said in 1930: One loss is good for the soul; too many is bad for the coach. What really matters to the Steelers of the 2020s is the ghosts of coaches. I get what you're saying. It's totally valid.

[86WARD]

Check your facts at www.Google.com before posting here. Most of the facts you post are wrong and the others are pretty much irrelevant…

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Check your facts at www.Google.com (http://www.Google.com) before posting here. Most of the facts you post are wrong and the others are pretty much irrelevant…

I have had one fact proven wrong. Ever. And most of you aren't smart enough yourselves to Google or you would know that.

[86WARD]

I have had one fact proven wrong. Ever. And most of you aren't smart enough yourselves to Google or you would know that.

No. A simple search of just this website alone will prove that wrong.

[that1guy]

Tomlin is getting outcoached by a nobody

[86WARD]

Tomlin is getting outcoached by a nobody

Again…

[Mojouw]

Are we now talking about Arthur Smith as a nobody?

They guy that was the most desired offensive coordinator to head coach candidate a few season ago. They guy who made Ryan Tannehill? They guy who continually makes chicken salad out of the Falcons awful roster?

Seriously. Like I get you all really want to get rid of Tomlin. Cool, you do you. But to not regard Smith as a top offensive mind is just showing (this is my suspicion) that you do not watch much non-Steelers football.

[polamalubeast]

Are we now talking about Arthur Smith as a nobody?

They guy that was the most desired offensive coordinator to head coach candidate a few season ago. They guy who made Ryan Tannehill? They guy who continually makes chicken salad out of the Falcons awful roster?

Seriously. Like I get you all really want to get rid of Tomlin. Cool, you do you. But to not regard Smith as a top offensive mind is just showing (this is my suspicion) that you do not watch much non-Steelers football.

I agree and I don't think that Tomlin was outcoached today....The falcons offense were just more physical in the second half.....

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Are we now talking about Arthur Smith as a nobody?

They guy that was the most desired offensive coordinator to head coach candidate a few season ago. They guy who made Ryan Tannehill? They guy who continually makes chicken salad out of the Falcons awful roster?

Seriously. Like I get you all really want to get rid of Tomlin. Cool, you do you. But to not regard Smith as a top offensive mind is just showing (this is my suspicion) that you do not watch much non-Steelers football.

What are you saying? There are relatively unknown coordinators who would be better than Tomlin? Is Tomlin one of the greatest defensive minds in the NFL?

[86WARD]

Are we now talking about Arthur Smith as a nobody?

They guy that was the most desired offensive coordinator to head coach candidate a few season ago. They guy who made Ryan Tannehill? They guy who continually makes chicken salad out of the Falcons awful roster?

Seriously. Like I get you all really want to get rid of Tomlin. Cool, you do you. But to not regard Smith as a top offensive mind is just showing (this is my suspicion) that you do not watch much non-Steelers football.

He’s a second year head coach that won 12 games in two seasons. Compared to Tomlin, that’s a “nobody”.

[steelreserve]

He’s a second year head coach that won 12 games in two seasons. Compared to Tomlin, that’s a “nobody”.

Everyone is a "nobody" compared to Tomlin if you are trying to compare existing NFL coaching experience. "Who will you replace him with that's better? Belichick and that's it! And good luck with that, I don't think HE'S going to be available any time soon (smirk)."

Here's the thing, though. You don't have to be an NFL head coach with 15 years' experience to be better than Tomlin. Literally every good NFL head coach started out as something other than an NFL head coach. Just be better than average and there's a good chance you'll also be better than Tomlin.

Those people are not impossible to find. Other teams find them all the time. You just have to willing to try, not sit there wringing your hands because who else will we get.

[polamalubeast]

Everyone is a "nobody" compared to Tomlin if you are trying to compare existing NFL coaching experience. "Who will you replace him with that's better? Belichick and that's it! And good luck with that, I don't think HE'S going to be available any time soon (smirk)."

Here's the thing, though. You don't have to be an NFL head coach with 15 years' experience to be better than Tomlin. Literally every good NFL head coach started out as something other than an NFL head coach. Just be better than average and there's a good chance you'll also be better than Tomlin.

Those people are not impossible to find. Other teams find them all the time. You just have to willing to try, not sit there wringing your hands because who else will we get.

Like the Denver Broncos in the last 5 years?

[Born2Steel]

It’s not usually a measurement of better HC. There are so many good coaches you can find success with many of them. You certainly aren’t going to move on from Mike Tomlin because your new HC is just going to be better. There are too many moving parts for it to only be about a better HC.

Did the Eagles replace Reid with a better HC? They made a successful change. And moved on since then as well. Even with all that, Reid has continued to be a successful, good HC in KC.

Brings up a pretty good question. Who are the top5 HC today?

[Mojouw]

He’s a second year head coach that won 12 games in two seasons. Compared to Tomlin, that’s a “nobody”.

Smith is regarded extremely highly by league observers for his excellent play design and game day playcalling.

He made his bones making several current and former Titans stars.

While he might not be a big household name, Smith is a good offensive minded coach. Hardly a nobody.

[86WARD]

Smith is regarded extremely highly by league observers for his excellent play design and game day playcalling.

He made his bones making several current and former Titans stars.

While he might not be a big household name, Smith is a good offensive minded coach. Hardly a nobody.

So was Nathaniel Hackett. Both nobodies in the realm of head coaching.

[polamalubeast]

So was Nathaniel Hackett. Both nobodies in the realm of head coaching.

Hackett has never been a good assistant coach......LaFleur was the playcaller of the packers

[cubanstogie]

Hire Bienemy, he can run offense too.

[Mojouw]

Hackett has never been a good assistant coach......LaFleur was the playcaller of the packers

Yup! Hackett got the job because Rodgers liked him. That’s it. Then the Broncos thought they could engineer a trade by hiring his best buddy as HC.

[fansince'76]

He was not the same coach and this is not easy to be a good coach once again when you were out of the NFL for over 10 years but it was not a disaster too....They make the playoffs twice in 4 years under Gibbs with a very below average team

Not to mention the additional handicap of Danny Boy as the team's owner. That team has largely been an out-and-out shitshow ever since he bought them and he's pretty much the reason why.

Gibbs doesn't get nearly enough credit for winning 3 SBs with 3 very pedestrian QBs.

[tube517]

1599758616709705730 :lol:

[Dwinsgames]

Everyone is a "nobody" compared to Tomlin if you are trying to compare existing NFL coaching experience. "Who will you replace him with that's better? Belichick and that's it! And good luck with that, I don't think HE'S going to be available any time soon (smirk)."

Here's the thing, though. You don't have to be an NFL head coach with 15 years' experience to be better than Tomlin. Literally every good NFL head coach started out as something other than an NFL head coach. Just be better than average and there's a good chance you'll also be better than Tomlin.

Those people are not impossible to find. Other teams find them all the time. You just have to willing to try, not sit there wringing your hands because who else will we get.


Yep its the chicken and the egg argument .........

who was Noll before he was the 4x SB champion HC

who was Cowher before he was hired in Pittsburgh and brought home a SB ?

Who was Tomlin until he got hired here and won a Lombardi ?

all 3 where young defensive minded assistants with a combined total of ZERO Games as the head guy .....

[polamalubeast]

Yep its the chicken and the egg argument .........

who was Noll before he was the 4x SB champion HC

who was Cowher before he was hired in Pittsburgh and brought home a SB ?

Who was Tomlin until he got hired here and won a Lombardi ?

all 3 where young defensive minded assistants with a combined total of ZERO Games as the head guy .....

They were right 3 times in a row but no guarantee they will be right again in the next time...Possible,yes but we can't take it as granted....

[86WARD]

Maybe they can trade the Rams for Sean McVay...lol. He's going to be out of LA soon...

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

The entertaning part will be that the Steelers will go 7-10 or 8-9 this year and all the Tomlin haters will start yelling "he is below .500, fire him!" but next season they will re-tool and be a wildcard team and Tomlin will be even more job secure as he will have the rebuild going in the right direction....and the haters heads will explode. :chuckle:

[j-d-s]

I said it before and I still think we finish 9-8 (or 8-8-1) so Tomlin keeps his .500 streak. Winning 4 of the last 5 games is difficult, but not impossible, considering neither the Raiders nor the Panthers are better, and splitting the Ravens and Browns is realistic. Those are divisional games in December/January, which typically are rather low-scoring and close, and neither the Ravens nor the Watson-led Browns look unbeatable.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I said it before and I still think we finish 9-8 (or 8-8-1) so Tomlin keeps his .500 streak. Winning 4 of the last 5 games is difficult, but not impossible, considering neither the Raiders nor the Panthers are better, and splitting the Ravens and Browns is realistic. Those are divisional games in December/January, which typically are rather low-scoring and close, and neither the Ravens nor the Watson-led Browns look unbeatable.

Raiders are starting to play good football. I think the Steelers can split one of the 2 Ravens games and beat the Panthers and Browns, while possibly losing to the Raiders and Ravens. Sub .500 seems almost destined and the bitching and whining around here is going to be hilarious, because the Steelers wont fire Tomlin.

[polamalubeast]

If the steelers don't finish with a losing record this year, I believe Tomlin will never have a losing season in his career....He always finds a way to avoid a losing season even when things are ugly like in 2013,2019 when Ben was out after 2 games,last year when the steelers were horrible in almost every phase of football and if it happens again this year wow

[polamalubeast]

The fact he don't call a timeout after second down on the last drive for the ravens is crazy for me....40 less seconds now for the offense

[that1guy]

This is a Tomlin special, its what he should be known for after he is replaced. Tomlin does not do mid game adjustments and it costs them time and time again

[polamalubeast]

Can't stop the run because of this very soft defense...They can't stop the pass too...It would never happened under coach Cowher....

[NCSteeler]

First off I don't know when being . 500 started being viewed as a good year. Fuck that shit.

I'm tired of Tomlin being ow stubborn and loyal. Fucking fire your staff and start over or I'm done with him. Defense has Watt standing up covering TEs offense is a total damn mess special teams haven't been special in a decade. Clean house or retire move on

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[DesertSteel]

This is a Tomlin special, its what he should be known for after he is replaced. Tomlin does not do mid game adjustments and it costs them time and time again
When is that going to be?

[fansince'76]

Can't stop the run because of this very soft defense...They can't stop the pass too...It would never happened under coach Cowher....

Ummm, Priest Holmes, week 2, 2003 season, anybody (for one example)?

I get people's frustration with Tomlin because I happen to share it and don't really care if he stays or goes at this point, but please, enough of the romanticized revisionist history of the Cowher era already.

[polamalubeast]

Ummm, Priest Holmes, week 2, 2003 season, anybody (for one example)?

I get people's frustration with Tomlin because I happen to share it and don't really care if he stays or goes at this point, but please, enough of the romanticized revisionist history of the Cowher era already.

It was one game,not one season or 2 in a row or more.....

[fansince'76]

It was one game,not one season or 2 in a row or more.....

Except the team finished 6-10 in 2003.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

When is that going to be?

It will not happen. He will be allowed to rebuild via the draft and free agency the next couple of seasons and see if the Steelers can get to a 10 win season and back to the playoffs as a Wildcard. If that doesnt he would likely walk away or they will mutually part. I dont see Rooney firing Tomlin just because the HOF QB retired and the talent around the replacement rookie is not good.

[polamalubeast]

Except the team finished 6-10 in 2003.

I was talking about our run defense and under Cowher, if the steelers had a year that the steelers were horrible to stop the run or to run the football, the year after was no longer a problem

The 2003 season is a good exemple since the Steelers were 31st in rushing yards in offense, the year after, they were second... More often than not the Steelers were a tough and physical team in the trenches under Cowher, which is a weakness in the current team in the last few years.This is my point....The Ravens had over 200 rushing yards against the Steelers in 4 of the last 6 matchups...I don't remember seeing that before for a steelers defense...it's a shower curtain!

[Mojouw]

If the steelers don't finish with a losing record this year, I believe Tomlin will never have a losing season in his career....He always finds a way to avoid a losing season even when things are ugly like in 2013,2019 when Ben was out after 2 games,last year when the steelers were horrible in almost every phase of football and if it happens again this year wow
I think you might be over-reacting a bit.

The Steelers had one of the worst rush defenses by any measure in 2021. They have shored that up a great deal in 2022. In the past two weeks they have faced the #3 and #4 rushing offenses in the NFL. And it has looked not good. Considering where they came from, it is still a whole lot better than many expected. They have a long way to go to where they want to get to -- #1 rush defense in the league. But that takes more than one off-season likely.

For instance, in 1998 the team was 13th in rush yards on defense. In 1999 they were 26th in rush yards on defense. In 2000, they were 12th and in 2001 they were finally #1 again.

Can we stop with the emotional revision of history into a whole bunch of things that never happened?

The current team was 32nd last season and they are currently 15th. Keep improving and they should be better next season as well.

[polamalubeast]

I think you might be over-reacting a bit.

The Steelers had one of the worst rush defenses by any measure in 2021. They have shored that up a great deal in 2022. In the past two weeks they have faced the #3 and #4 rushing offenses in the NFL. And it has looked not good. Considering where they came from, it is still a whole lot better than many expected. They have a long way to go to where they want to get to -- #1 rush defense in the league. But that takes more than one off-season likely.

For instance, in 1998 the team was 13th in rush yards on defense. In 1999 they were 26th in rush yards on defense. In 2000, they were 12th and in 2001 they were finally #1 again.

Can we stop with the emotional revision of history into a whole bunch of things that never happened?

The current team was 32nd last season and they are currently 15th. Keep improving and they should be better next season as well.


They will be in the bottom 10 soon if they don't improve much for the rest of the year....The panthers,Raiders,Ravens and Browns have all great running game and not forget,the steelers have also a bottom 5 pass defense

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

They will be in the bottom 10 soon if they don't improve much for the rest of the year....The panthers,Raiders,Ravens and Browns have all great running game and not forget,the steelers have also a bottom 5 pass defense

Steelers are currently picking in the top 10 in the draft. I am honestly fine if they get the #5 pick this year as with the Bears pick from the Claypool trade, they can be possibly selecting 3 players in the top 40.

They dont have the talent right now and the next stage of the rebuild will happen in the spring. Its just part of the process of rebuilding. Feels like the 1980's again....cant wait until Zubaz pants come back!!

[polamalubeast]

Steelers are currently picking in the top 10 in the draft. I am honestly fine if they get the #5 pick this year as with the Bears pick from the Claypool trade, they can be possibly selecting 3 players in the top 40.

They dont have the talent right now and the next stage of the rebuild will happen in the spring. Its just part of the process of rebuilding. Feels like the 1980's again....cant wait until Zubaz pants come back!!

It would be great if they have a top 10 pick!

[polamalubeast]

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[DesertSteel]

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That's a third of the league.

[polamalubeast]

That's a third of the league.

yes and the steelers are in this category right now

[DesertSteel]

yes and the steelers are in this category right now
More than one way of looking at it. I don't consider them to be in the same category as the Lions, Redskins, Bears, Jets, et al.

[86WARD]

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Other than the Broncos, Panthers and Bears, those teams' arrows are pointing up further than the Steelers and all are further along in the "rebuilding process"...

[pepsyman1]

More than one way of looking at it. I don't consider them to be in the same category as the Lions, Redskins, Bears, Jets, et al.

Yeah....half those teams are now better than we are..... :(

[Mojouw]

Y'all letting Twitter trolls get you all riled up again.

Every time you get mad after reading a Fillmyponi tweet, he gets another jet ski.

Some of those teams haven't even made the playoffs recently. Some have. Context matters. Twitter does not do context. Fillmyponi couldn't spell context if you gave him all the letters in the right order.

[pczach]

Y'all letting Twitter trolls get you all riled up again.

Every time you get mad after reading a Fillmyponi tweet, he gets another jet ski.

Some of those teams haven't even made the playoffs recently. Some have. Context matters. Twitter does not do context. Fillmyponi couldn't spell context if you gave him all the letters in the right order.



Exactly.

How many division titles and winning seasons have these franchises had since the oldest year mentioned in the tweet?

He would never mention that or ask that question because that isn't the point he's trying to make. He is just trying to stir shit up.

[tube517]

Poni just wants to be another mark madden. Typical clickbait

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[Mojouw]

Other than the Broncos, Panthers and Bears, those teams' arrows are pointing up further than the Steelers and all are further along in the "rebuilding process"...

Not sure if you mean that as a good thing or a bad thing....

The only roster I would want to magically take over as a GM from that list instead of the Steelers is the Jets or the Lions. Maybe the Panthers. The rest of major holes, massive cap issues, and/or lack of draft picks.

[DesertSteel]

Yeah....half those teams are now better than we are..... :(
In the NFL, there are winning organizations and losing organizations - about 5-8 of each. Everyone else is in the middle. The Steelers are a winning organization.

P.s., I made bold the operative word in your statement.

[Steeler-in-west]

We’re almost right there, this isn’t 1982.

a new OC here, an OT and DT there, an ILB who can stop the run via FA money, TJ fully recovers, suddenly our 5-8 record would be 8-5 at least, I don’t see why this can’t be done in one offseason.

I still think Tomlin eventually ends up on NFL today

[86WARD]

Not sure if you mean that as a good thing or a bad thing....

The only roster I would want to magically take over as a GM from that list instead of the Steelers is the Jets or the Lions. Maybe the Panthers. The rest of major holes, massive cap issues, and/or lack of draft picks.

Lions, Jets arrows are pointing way up…further than the Steelers.

[86WARD]

We’re almost right there, this isn’t 1982.

a new OC here, an OT and DT there, an ILB who can stop the run via FA money, TJ fully recovers, suddenly our 5-8 record would be 8-5 at least, I don’t see why this can’t be done in one offseason.

I still think Tomlin eventually ends up on NFL today

Doesn’t help with the mess that is pass defense…

[Steeler-in-west]

Doesn’t help with the mess that is pass defense…

Improved pass rush should cover for the pass defense. Plus Wallace is banged up this year, he was supposed to be a big part of the pass defense.

[DesertSteel]

Lions, Jets arrows are pointing way up…further than the Steelers.
But will they implode before they reach their destination?!

[Mojouw]

Lions, Jets arrows are pointing way up…further than the Steelers.
I mean maybe?

Mike White is a cool story and all, but he isn't a viable long-term solution at QB. Same with Goff. The Lions defense is a mess.

The biggest advantage the Lions have is the extra picks from the Stafford trade. I think KP's floor is about Goff. Other than that, both rosters have strengths and weaknesses.

Jets....still have to get a QB. Fix their o-line. Etc.

Every team has issues. And while the Jets and Lions are in a good spot....they aren't just lapping the rebuilding field.

[polamalubeast]

I believe the Lions are heading in the right direction, although some improvement to their defense is needed.

I really like the Jets defense and I like their head coach (same thing for the Lions) but Zach Wilson's 2021 Jets draft pick is going to be a killer unfortunately, unless there is a spectacular turnaround for him

[86WARD]

Improved pass rush should cover for the pass defense. Plus Wallace is banged up this year, he was supposed to be a big part of the pass defense.

Even when the pass rush was healthy, receivers were running wide open.

[86WARD]

I mean maybe?

Mike White is a cool story and all, but he isn't a viable long-term solution at QB. Same with Goff. The Lions defense is a mess.

The biggest advantage the Lions have is the extra picks from the Stafford trade. I think KP's floor is about Goff. Other than that, both rosters have strengths and weaknesses.

Jets....still have to get a QB. Fix their o-line. Etc.

Every team has issues. And while the Jets and Lions are in a good spot....they aren't just lapping the rebuilding field.

They are both ahead of the Steelers at this stage.

[Mojouw]

They are both ahead of the Steelers at this stage.

Well considering that the Steelers are in Year 1 of a rebuild and the Jets and Lions are in, even conservatively, Year 2...I should certainly hope they are.

Plus...I am not sure they are ahead. If KP is as good as many think....the Steelers are ahead just by that one player alone. You don't have a QB....you don't have anything.

[polamalubeast]

I don't think the rebuilding has started for the steelers, otherwise Kenny Pickett would have had a real chance to be the starter in week 1, but he had no chance

[Mojouw]

I don't think the rebuilding has started for the steelers, otherwise Kenny Pickett would have had a real chance to be the starter in week 1, but he had no chance

If that’s the case, then even more reason to be optimistic. They’ve not even started yet and their set for years at several positions!

[polamalubeast]

If that’s the case, then even more reason to be optimistic. They’ve not even started yet and their set for years at several positions!

I hope it started with the Claypool trade in mid season

Not a bad idea to trade players who aren't part of future plans of the team for draft picks....hopefully it will continue

[NCSteeler]

If that’s the case, then even more reason to be optimistic. They’ve not even started yet and their set for years at several positions!My fear is that Tomlin will push to not rebuild and just "reload" which could easily mean several more 9-8 seasons . He's loyal to average players, I don't think he's willing to take a risk at a 7-10 season to get through the growing pains. I think lately it seems like there are some loser draft picks that seem to be his guys

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[86WARD]

Well considering that the Steelers are in Year 1 of a rebuild and the Jets and Lions are in, even conservatively, Year 2...I should certainly hope they are.

Plus...I am not sure they are ahead. If KP is as good as many think....the Steelers are ahead just by that one player alone. You don't have a QB....you don't have anything.

Way ahead. Jets are missing a QB and maybe an OL. Running game is great, receivers are great. Maybe a TE. Defense is one of the best this season.

Lions could use a little help on defense and maybe a TE and WR now. Goff is good enough to get them to the next level before another QB comes in.

[that1guy]

Well considering that the Steelers are in Year 1 of a rebuild and the Jets and Lions are in, even conservatively, Year 2...I should certainly hope they are.

Plus...I am not sure they are ahead. If KP is as good as many think....the Steelers are ahead just by that one player alone. You don't have a QB....you don't have anything.

Rebuild was a word we heard several years ago and look where that has gotten them. Drafting and development haven't been successful and that's killed the success of this franchise in the last decade. The Steelers have been very poor and replacing pieces especially on Defense and on the offensive line. The current coaching staff isn't capable of building a Superbowl contender and that's been proven by a total of 3 playoff wins in nearly a decade.

[Born2Steel]

If there is actually a ‘rebuild’, it started with Ben retiring and drafting Kenny.

THIS coaching staff has at best been together for last season and this season. Not a decade.

Nobody likes ‘growing pains’. New QBs go through that and Kenny is no exception. He’s not terrible.

We need LBs and CBs. We need to re-sign Edmonds and Sutton. We need OL. 1 more WR would be nice.

I like this team. We are close.

[Mojouw]

If there is actually a ‘rebuild’, it started with Ben retiring and drafting Kenny.

THIS coaching staff has at best been together for last season and this season. Not a decade.

Nobody likes ‘growing pains’. New QBs go through that and Kenny is no exception. He’s not terrible.

We need LBs and CBs. We need to re-sign Edmonds and Sutton. We need OL. 1 more WR would be nice.

I like this team. We are close.

Yup

Get KP a real offense and an off season.


I’d take this roster over almost any on the list posted above.

[Steeler-in-west]

Even when the pass rush was healthy, receivers were running wide open.

does it matter? If the QB is running for his life? Burrow threw 4 int's against us with Watt healthy, 7 sacks total. Just imagine if we have Tuitt's equivalent in there next year also.

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Rebuild was a word we heard several years ago and look where that has gotten them. Drafting and development haven't been successful and that's killed the success of this franchise in the last decade. The Steelers have been very poor and replacing pieces especially on Defense and on the offensive line. The current coaching staff isn't capable of building a Superbowl contender and that's been proven by a total of 3 playoff wins in nearly a decade.

looks like they'll get another chance. At least Tomlin will i think. If the Steelers are smart they let some of these assistants go and start shelling out some bucks for a quality staff.

[polamalubeast]

If there is actually a ‘rebuild’, it started with Ben retiring and drafting Kenny.

THIS coaching staff has at best been together for last season and this season. Not a decade.

Nobody likes ‘growing pains’. New QBs go through that and Kenny is no exception. He’s not terrible.

We need LBs and CBs. We need to re-sign Edmonds and Sutton. We need OL. 1 more WR would be nice.

I like this team. We are close.

It won't mean anything if the steelers keep the same coaching staff in offense with Matt Canada in the lead....He's so bad!....I'm not sold on Austin too in defense with what happen in 2018 when he was the DC of the bengals and this year with us

It can change quickly, but the steelers are not close right now....3-13 against team with a winning record since last year, a lot of improvement to do

[polamalubeast]

does it matter? If the QB is running for his life? Burrow threw 4 int's against us with Watt healthy, 7 sacks total. Just imagine if we have Tuitt's equivalent in there next year also.

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looks like they'll get another chance. At least Tomlin will i think. If the Steelers are smart they let some of these assistants go and start shelling out some bucks for a quality staff.

We need both....In week 1,Burrow was far from his best, especially after missing most of training camp....He had a very slow start of the the season.....In the other 3 games against the Bengals since last year , the bengals did what they wanted against us, pass and run.You can't count to make 7 sacks or sometimes like that every game against great passing offense,this is hard to do

[Born2Steel]

It won't mean anything if the steelers keep the same coaching staff in offense with Matt Canada in the lead....He's so bad!....I'm not sold on Austin too in defense with what happen in 2018 when he was the DC of the bengals and this year with us

It can change quickly, but the steelers are not close right now....3-13 against team with a winning record since last year, a lot of improvement to do

Coaches coach, players win games.

[86WARD]

does it matter? If the QB is running for his life? Burrow threw 4 int's against us with Watt healthy, 7 sacks total. Just imagine if we have Tuitt's equivalent in there next year also.

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looks like they'll get another chance. At least Tomlin will i think. If the Steelers are smart they let some of these assistants go and start shelling out some bucks for a quality staff.

Sure it does if they can run and throw like Allen and Mahomes.

[86WARD]

It won't mean anything if the steelers keep the same coaching staff in offense with Matt Canada in the lead....He's so bad!....I'm not sold on Austin too in defense with what happen in 2018 when he was the DC of the bengals and this year with us

It can change quickly, but the steelers are not close right now....3-13 against team with a winning record since last year, a lot of improvement to do

Maybe a new group of coaches on the offense can help mask some of the holes there. Still doesn’t help the pass defense or the linebacking situation. That MLB cupboard is pretty bare…with maybe a couple crumbs of Miles Jack lying around.

[polamalubeast]

Coaches coach, players win games.

If the importance of coaches is not that important, why do they have such a big salary?

[Born2Steel]

If the importance of coaches is not that important, why do they have such a big salary?

I don’t understand the question. That is not what I posted. The team gets to the redzone, is that players or coaches? The team turns the ball over in the redzone, is that players or coaches? If a FG gets blocked by either team, players or coaches?

[DesertSteel]

Coaches coach, players win games.
Coaches coach and players play. The combination determines the wins and losses.

[polamalubeast]

I don’t understand the question. That is not what I posted. The team gets to the redzone, is that players or coaches? The team turns the ball over in the redzone, is that players or coaches? If a FG gets blocked by either team, players or coaches?

You act as if a head coach has no impact in the game... If it was not the case, head coaches wouldn't have salaries of over 10 million

[Mojouw]

I suspect that coaches can do little to alter outcomes during the game. They make their money Monday-Saturday. Sunday is about player execution.

[polamalubeast]

I suspect that coaches can do little to alter outcomes during the game. They make their money Monday-Saturday. Sunday is about player execution.

True but I think a coach like Kyle Shanahan has a big impact in his team especially right now with his 3rd QB

Being able to adjust very quickly in a game to what the opponent is doing is very important too

[Born2Steel]

It’s ok. Even if I put it in a confusing way, I know what I meant. Not necessary to debate it.

[86WARD]

Great players make average coaches look good and great coaches make average players look good.

Plan and execution. Good plan, bad execution or bad plan and good execution?

[polamalubeast]

Great players make average coaches look good and great coaches make average players look good.

Plan and execution. Good plan, bad execution or bad plan and good execution?

You need both!....The chiefs offense of this year would be average at best with Matt Canada running this offense!

[86WARD]

You need both!....The chiefs offense of this year would be average at best with Matt Canada running this offense!

Agree.

[Mojouw]

True but I think a coach like Kyle Shanahan has a big impact in his team especially right now with his 3rd QB

Being able to adjust very quickly in a game to what the opponent is doing is very important too

From what I’ve read, that’s the result of Monday to Saturday effort and work. I’ve seen players talk about how if they haven’t practiced it during the week, it’s rarely going to work or be an option the coaches select.

From what I can tell, most (not ALL) in game adjustments are the result of prior planning. If the other team does this, we will do this other thing. Then, if they throw that unexpected thing at us, we’ll do this unexpected other thing.

That’s why a season or two ago, Haden was dumbfounded when Tomlin drew up a “new” defense at halftime.

I’m wrong. A great deal. But the things I’ve read, paint a picture that Sunday is won during the week leading up for coaches and then game day it’s player execution.

[Born2Steel]

Big Ben, TJ, Deebo, Cam, Minkah, TP43, many others. The coaches can coach and call the perfect gameplan. It takes players to win the game. This team is lacking players first and foremost. We do have some good players on this roster. Just need more blue chip guys. This thread is titled Fire Mike Tomlin, I'm just of the opinion he's doing his job. He needs players to step up and win the games.

Was it the players or the coaches that got the offense into the redzone multiple times vs the Ravens? That part can be debated. But it was the players that ended those drives in turnovers instead of points. 3 redzone turnovers and a blocked FG. That's a potential of 24 points. 24 points just gone because of players not making plays. Not because the coaches failed to coach.

I very much want an offense that resembles an NFL level offense. I just can't blame the coaches for all of it any more.

[DuckHodges]

You need both!....The chiefs offense of this year would be average at best with Matt Canada running this offense!

Not sure about that. Mahomes is the best QB in the league and would by default make his offense a top 10 one at worst

[Steeler-in-west]

Not sure about that. Mahomes is the best QB in the league and would by default make his offense a top 10 one at worst

and he'd be changing Canada's plays at the line of scrimmage.

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Sure it does if they can run and throw like Allen and Mahomes.

even those guys make mistakes if they're under constant pressure, anyway, we could lose to them and beat everyone else - i'd take that next season

[polamalubeast]

and he'd be changing Canada's plays at the line of scrimmage.



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Big Ben, TJ, Deebo, Cam, Minkah, TP43, many others. The coaches can coach and call the perfect gameplan. It takes players to win the game. This team is lacking players first and foremost. We do have some good players on this roster. Just need more blue chip guys. This thread is titled Fire Mike Tomlin, I'm just of the opinion he's doing his job. He needs players to step up and win the games.

Was it the players or the coaches that got the offense into the redzone multiple times vs the Ravens? That part can be debated. But it was the players that ended those drives in turnovers instead of points. 3 redzone turnovers and a blocked FG. That's a potential of 24 points. 24 points just gone because of players not making plays. Not because the coaches failed to coach.

I very much want an offense that resembles an NFL level offense. I just can't blame the coaches for all of it any more.

Like I said,it take both.Talent and coaching

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Not sure about that. Mahomes is the best QB in the league and would by default make his offense a top 10 one at worst

During the regular season Mahomes would carry the team. In the playoffs with Tomlin's defense giving up 45 ppg over the last 6 seasons he would be exited first round.

[polamalubeast]

The penalty of Marcus Allen is just awful....He need to be gone after this game....You can not accept that!

[Lady Steel]

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[polamalubeast]

Do you remember a stupid play like that for the steelers whether it is under Noll,Cowher or Tomlin in a crucial moment in a game?

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I can't believe it happen to the pats under Belichick!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Do you remember a stupid play like that for the steelers whether it is under Noll,Cowher or Tomlin in a crucial moment in a game?

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I can't believe it happen to the pats under Belichick!

So Fire Belichek thread??

[tube517]

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No idea why he is on the team to begin with. Contributes nothing on defense

[Born2Steel]

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I’m reading these words and they make no sense to me. I didn’t see what happened. What exactly did he do?

[steelerdude15]

I’m reading these words and they make no sense to me. I didn’t see what happened. What exactly did he do?

During a commercial break, he jogged/skipped to the Panther's sideline where players were huddled and started running his mouth for no reason.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

During a commercial break, he jogged/skipped to the Panther's sideline where players were huddled and started running his mouth for no reason.

Why the hell did Tomlin do that?!

[polamalubeast]

Mike Tomlin Uses…Analytics?

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/12/mike-tomlin-uses-analytics/

Good news if this is true,even if I don't want the steelers to rely too much on this

[polamalubeast]

Do we have a fire Danny Smith thread?!

[86WARD]

Do we have a fire Danny Smith thread?!

I don’t remember starting one…lol. If someone was going to do it…

[polamalubeast]

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It was in 2013 and they were better in the second half.Can they do it again?

Yes!

[Hawkman]

Well let’s contribute to this thread……My respect for Tomlin just went way up. Listening to Ryan Clarke this evening, he even had a doctor’s note to play in that Denver game. His wife and kids told him to play. Tomlin told him that he wasn’t suiting up.

[teegre]

Here’s an amazing stat: during Tomlin’s tenure (sixteen seasons) the Steelers have played one game (ONE) where they had been eliminated from playoff contention.

[polamalubeast]

Here’s an amazing stat: during Tomlin’s tenure (sixteen seasons) the Steelers have played one game (ONE) where they had been eliminated from playoff contention.

This is crazy.We are hard sometimes on Tomlin but the steelers never quit under him even if the situation look ugly sometimes

[Dwinsgames]

Here’s an amazing stat: during Tomlin’s tenure (sixteen seasons) the Steelers have played one game (ONE) where they had been eliminated from playoff contention.

on the surface that is eye popping stuff , then you come to realize he had a first ballot HoF QB as his opening day starter his entire tenure (until this year)

then its not all that shocking or eye popping (IMO)

what then comes to mind is why didnt they have more success with so many years of top 10 defenses , 1st Ballot HoF QB , many very good WR's and a running game that was always ready to roll ....

that is when you have to start scratching your head and thinking hmmmm why not more playoff wins and Lombardi's

[polamalubeast]

on the surface that is eye popping stuff , then you come to realize he had a first ballot HoF QB as his opening day starter his entire tenure (until this year)

then its not all that shocking or eye popping (IMO)

what then comes to mind is why didnt they have more success with so many years of top 10 defenses , 1st Ballot HoF QB , many very good WR's and a running game that was always ready to roll ....

that is when you have to start scratching your head and thinking hmmmm why not more playoff wins and Lombardi's

Seasons like 2009,2017(playoffs only) and 2018 were undoubtedly disappointing

But since 2019, the Steelers have been below average, especially on offense...We all know how bad our offense was in 2019 because of the QB situation, but after that Ben was washed out at this point in his career, especially since in December 2020 and in 2021 he was very limited... He was no longer a HOF caliber QB at this point of his career

No doubt, the loss against Tebow in 2011, was on Tomlin (and Lebeau) but another loss like in 2014, when they lost Bell before the playoffs and they had no backup behind him, it did not help ... They had also the worst defense since 1988 in 2014....2015 our offense was depleted against Denver but they still gave a good fight

2017, even though the loss of Shazier was a killer and the steelers had nobody good as a backup at this position, it was a bad loss and the collapse of 2018 was awful too, so I give you that

But on another occasion, we have to see the context

[Mojouw]

I'm going to bang my anti-fire Tomlin drum.

I often have harped on the Steelers for not turning over the back-end of the roster. But I noticed that Malik Reed was a healthy scratch on Sunday. Jamir Jones played a decent # of snaps. And while he wasn't awesome, he certainly flung himself into fullbacks and pulling lineman with gusto.

Good to see the Steelers get another reserve OLB up to speed and moved up the depth chart.

[teegre]

on the surface that is eye popping stuff , then you come to realize he had a first ballot HoF QB as his opening day starter his entire tenure (until this year)

This year Tomlin has them in contention with a rookie QB, just as he did in 2019 when Duck Hodges was his QB.

But, considering he had Ben, then Yes, it was easier for the Steelers than some other teams have had it. That said, Cowher had Ben for three seasons (before Ben’s contract created cap hell for re-signing free agents), and Cowher missed the playoffs 1/3 of those years.

(It’s easier said than done.)

[DuckHodges]

This year Tomlin has them in contention with a rookie QB, just as he did in 2019 when Duck Hodges was his QB.

But, considering he had Ben, then Yes, it was easier for the Steelers than some other teams have had it. That said, Cowher had Ben for three seasons (before Ben’s contract created cap hell for re-signing free agents), and Cowher missed the playoffs 1/3 of those years.

(It’s easier said than done.)

except this year we won in baltimore :)

[HollywoodSteel]

People talk about the disappointing playoff results of the Killer B era, but I don’t think we played a single playoff game with all the Bs. If we did, it was one game tops.

I know that no team is ever totally healthy going into the playoffs, but we’ve definitely had some very bad luck in that department over the last ten years or so.

[polamalubeast]

People talk about the disappointing playoff results of the Killer B era, but I don’t think we played a single playoff game with all the Bs. If we did, it was one game tops.

I know that no team is ever totally healthy going into the playoffs, but we’ve definitely had some very bad luck in that department over the last ten years or so.

The only game was vs Jaguars

[HollywoodSteel]

The only game was vs Jaguars

Oh right. The one where we scored like a million points and still lost. That one was a head scratcher.

[lipps83]

that is when you have to start scratching your head and thinking hmmmm why not more playoff wins and Lombardi's

I would just say that there are so many factors that go into it that there is no clear cut solution. You have 32 teams ultimately competing for the same spot in the end. Before the season even starts there is only a 1/32 chance (based on number of teams alone) they will be the last one standing. The better the team, the better the odds become.

Every team rotates both players and coaches every single season and then tries to maintain some stability within that and build upon it, trying to overcome significant player and coaching changes as they can.

I don't think there are many head coaches who could have had the turn around Tomlin has had this season, as well as in 2019.

I don't want championships, that isn't why I pay attention to this team. I want the team to put the best product that they can on the field, and if that results in a championship in the end, great, now I can brag about my team being the best (which is really all we get as fans). I am not much of a bragger, so I don't get much out of it other than telling the team they did a great job on a message board. Maybe a new 'Superbowl Champions' tshirt if someone sends me one, because I am not going to buy one.

Sure, we could rotate the Head Coach just like the Lions, Browns, Jags, Redskins, Texans, Raiders and so on that you may get your wish, total instability, and we could wind up being a bottom feeding franchise just like them for decades.

There is no guarantee that the coach that is hired is going to lead the team to success. Even if it is a good and proven coach. Sometimes a good coach and a team just don't work out being together.

I have lived in Detroit for some time now, and you don't want to follow a franchise like the Lions. Once every 10 years they see some hope (like now), only to have it smashed to pieces again and again and again (hopefully not this time, for the fan's sake). That starts at the top because the Franchise turns over coaches like a batch of pancakes trying to find 'the one'.

They have only won one playoff game IN 50 YEARS.

Is that really what you want?

While I share in frustrations that I see with the team, there is only one NFL franchise that has had some sort of consistent stability over the last 50 years.

The Pittsburgh Steelers.

They are doing something right. So I am just going to sit back and let them do their thing.

But they do need to move on from Canada just because it's so obvious he doesn't fit.

[polamalubeast]

I would just say that there are so many factors that go into it that there is no clear cut solution. You have 32 teams ultimately competing for the same spot in the end. Before the season even starts there is only a 1/32 chance (based on number of teams alone) they will be the last one standing. The better the team, the better the odds become.

Every team rotates both players and coaches every single season and then tries to maintain some stability within that and build upon it, trying to overcome significant player and coaching changes as they can.

I don't think there are many head coaches who could have had the turn around Tomlin has had this season, as well as in 2019.

I don't want championships, that isn't why I pay attention to this team. I want the team to put the best product that they can on the field, and if that results in a championship in the end, great, now I can brag about my team being the best (which is really all we get as fans). I am not much of a bragger, so I don't get much out of it other than telling the team they did a great job on a message board. Maybe a new 'Superbowl Champions' tshirt if someone sends me one, because I am not going to buy one.

Sure, we could rotate the Head Coach just like the Lions, Browns, Jags, Redskins, Texans, Raiders and so on that you may get your wish, total instability, and we could wind up being a bottom feeding franchise just like them for decades.

There is no guarantee that the coach that is hired is going to lead the team to success. Even if it is a good and proven coach. Sometimes a good coach and a team just don't work out being together.

I have lived in Detroit for some time now, and you don't want to follow a franchise like the Lions. Once every 10 years they see some hope (like now), only to have it smashed to pieces again and again and again (hopefully not this time, for the fan's sake). That starts at the top because the Franchise turns over coaches like a batch of pancakes trying to find 'the one'.

They have only won one playoff game IN 50 YEARS.

Is that really what you want?

While I share in frustrations that I see with the team, there is only one NFL franchise that has had some sort of consistent stability over the last 50 years.

The Pittsburgh Steelers.

They are doing something right. So I am just going to sit back and let them do their thing.

But they do need to move on from Canada just because it's so obvious he doesn't fit.

great post!

[steelreserve]

great post!

More like a false equivalency.

Changing coaches does not make you a bad team. Similarly, never changing coaches does not make you a good team.

Sure, one may be a sign of the other sometimes, but too many around here believe in a self-fulfilling prophecy - just because you have patience and stability means you will be good. Well, not always. Being patient with the wrong people will also limit you.

What the Cowboys did with Tony Romo, and the Bengals did with Andy Dalton, is what we are doing with the head coach. Sure, they are pretty good compared to a lot of their peers, and they may even be good enough to bail you out of some tough spots sometimes. They don't do anything that makes you outright say, "What a bum, we need to get rid of him" - except always come up a little short and never get you quite into REAL contention, just constantly poking around at the fringes.

16 years means we've exercised more than enough patience, I want to see some real results.

[DesertSteel]

Changing coaches does not make you a bad team.
Right! Like having 10 ex-wives doesn't make you a bad husband! Lol

[DuckHodges]

Right! Like having 10 ex-wives doesn't make you a bad husband! Lol

well could be a good husband who just sucks at picking women :chuckle:

[86WARD]

Right! Like having 10 ex-wives doesn't make you a bad husband! Lol

It’s the wives fault!! [emoji23]

[lipps83]

More like a false equivalency.

Changing coaches does not make you a bad team. Similarly, never changing coaches does not make you a good team.

Sure, one may be a sign of the other sometimes, but too many around here believe in a self-fulfilling prophecy - just because you have patience and stability means you will be good. Well, not always. Being patient with the wrong people will also limit you.

What the Cowboys did with Tony Romo, and the Bengals did with Andy Dalton, is what we are doing with the head coach. Sure, they are pretty good compared to a lot of their peers, and they may even be good enough to bail you out of some tough spots sometimes. They don't do anything that makes you outright say, "What a bum, we need to get rid of him" - except always come up a little short and never get you quite into REAL contention, just constantly poking around at the fringes.

16 years means we've exercised more than enough patience, I want to see some real results.

While you are absolutely right, it doesn't change anything I said.

What the team is currently doing is not meeting your expectations. It doesn't mean that the team is not meeting the expectations of the owners (and others). If Tomlin at a point no longer is meeting their expectations, then they will deal with it as they see fit.

The Steelers are a good team, and have been minus a handful of years, for 50 years.

There aren't many franchises that can say that, in all of sports.

For you, being good isn't enough, and that's okay to see it that way.

Nothing wrong with that.

[Lady Steel]

It’s the wives fault!! [emoji23]


:pin: :buttkick: :ranger:


Always remember and never forget... It's ALWAYS Canada's fault! :lol: :hug:

[steelreserve]

Right! Like having 10 ex-wives doesn't make you a bad husband! Lol

I mean, if you picked a wife who was shitty and never got off the couch, and bitched about everything constantly, and never let you hang out with your friends, and was always jealous, and sucked off your brother-in-law - if you got rid of her, everyone would be saying "Great move man, you're a lot better off."

If you stuck with her for 15 miserable years, they wouldn't be saying "Good move, you're doing it right, way to be patient!" they'd be going "What the hell is wrong with you, can't you see she sucks?"

Similarly, if you end up with a shitty coach, you're better off if you fire him sooner rather than later. Even if you're the Raiders or the Lions and you had 10 shitty coaches before, maybe your ability to pick coaches is in question, but you're not gaining anything by sticking with another shitty one.

Just like with women, 50% of coaches ARE below average, by definition. If you are trying to win, many of them SHOULD be fired and the average tenure should only be a few years.

Anyway, in your terms, Tomlin is the chick with big jugs and a huge ass who never puts out. Eventually you got to realize that's not going to change and you're never going to get what you want, no matter how close it is to what you want on paper.

[DesertSteel]

Anyway, in your terms, Tomlin is the chick with big jugs and a huge ass who never puts out. Eventually you got to realize that's not going to change and you're never going to get what you want, no matter how close it is to what you want on paper.
Moronic.

[Craic]

I mean, if you picked a wife who was shitty and never got off the couch, and bitched about everything constantly, and never let you hang out with your friends, and was always jealous, and sucked off your brother-in-law - if you got rid of her, everyone would be saying "Great move man, you're a lot better off."

If you stuck with her for 15 miserable years, they wouldn't be saying "Good move, you're doing it right, way to be patient!" they'd be going "What the hell is wrong with you, can't you see she sucks?"

Similarly, if you end up with a shitty coach, you're better off if you fire him sooner rather than later. Even if you're the Raiders or the Lions and you had 10 shitty coaches before, maybe your ability to pick coaches is in question, but you're not gaining anything by sticking with another shitty one.

Just like with women, 50% of coaches ARE below average, by definition. If you are trying to win, many of them SHOULD be fired and the average tenure should only be a few years.

Anyway, in your terms, Tomlin is the chick with big jugs and a huge ass who never puts out. Eventually you got to realize that's not going to change and you're never going to get what you want, no matter how close it is to what you want on paper.

Except, in your scenario, the only acceptable wife is the perpetually young Ms. America model when the reality is there is only one per year, and skipping from one to the next in continual pursuit will get you shut out from any of them. To put that in football terms, there's only one coach that wins a SB each year, and any team that continually cycles through coaches trying to get the next SB champion coach will soon find any SB caliber coach will have nothing to do with them.

[Dwinsgames]

this is not a for or against post its just a factual one , use it however you please in your baseline to judge him ....

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[Lloydwoodsonjr]

This year Tomlin has them in contention with a rookie QB, just as he did in 2019 when Duck Hodges was his QB.

But, considering he had Ben, then Yes, it was easier for the Steelers than some other teams have had it. That said, Cowher had Ben for three seasons (before Ben’s contract created cap hell for re-signing free agents), and Cowher missed the playoffs 1/3 of those years.

(It’s easier said than done.)

So far this year Shanahan is 12-4 with 3 different QBs including a rookie taken in the 7th who is playing like a Pro Bowler.

Cowher had Ben go 13-0 in his first season.

I don't see how this season is some legendary coaching job personally.

[polamalubeast]

So far this year Shanahan is 12-4 with 3 different QBs including a rookie taken in the 7th who is playing like a Pro Bowler.

Cowher had Ben go 13-0 in his first season.

I don't see how this season is some legendary coaching job personally.

Shanahan had 4-12 and 2 6-10 season in the past...No one is perfect...Btw you are stupid if you compare 2004 Ben with Delvin Hodges!

[DesertSteel]

So far this year Shanahan is 12-4 with 3 different QBs including a rookie taken in the 7th who is playing like a Pro Bowler.

Cowher had Ben go 13-0 in his first season.

I don't see how this season is some legendary coaching job personally.

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Shanahan had 4-12 and 2 6-10 season in the past...No one is perfect...Btw you are stupid if you compare 2004 Ben with Delvin Hodges!
Oh no!! Don’t bring facts into the argument!

[Craic]

on the surface that is eye popping stuff , then you come to realize he had a first ballot HoF QB as his opening day starter his entire tenure (until this year)

then its not all that shocking or eye popping (IMO)

what then comes to mind is why didnt they have more success with so many years of top 10 defenses , 1st Ballot HoF QB , many very good WR's and a running game that was always ready to roll ....

that is when you have to start scratching your head and thinking hmmmm why not more playoff wins and Lombardi's
Well, that same question can be asked of Shula with Marino, McCarthy with Rodgers, Siefert with Young, so on and so forth. You're also discounting ownership putting the Steelers in salary cap hell for two or three years hoping for one last super bowl. That severely limited who we could keep and who we could get.

[Born2Steel]

Remember when the rest of the NFL didn't have ANY good players and we just won the Superbowl every single year?

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Shanahan had 4-12 and 2 6-10 season in the past...No one is perfect...Btw you are stupid if you compare 2004 Ben with Delvin Hodges!

The 49ers have a good chance to make their 3rd NFC Championship in 4 years... so of course you try to make the deciding factor the regular season...

Shanahan is a lock for COTY. 49ers overcame a lot of diversity.

Show me where I said one word about Hodges please.

[polamalubeast]

The 49ers have a good chance to make their 3rd NFC Championship in 4 years... so of course you try to make the deciding factor the regular season...

Shanahan is a lock for COTY. 49ers overcame a lot of diversity.

Show me where I said one word about Hodges please.


Read what Teegre has said.....

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

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Oh no!! Don’t bring facts into the argument!

49ers board is probably better. This board is toxic and dying. You are only allowed to echo fluff pieces. A 9-8 season is to be treated like a Super Bowl win or else.

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Read what Teegre has said.....

Discuss it with Teegre.

[86WARD]

The 49ers have a good chance to make their 3rd NFC Championship in 4 years... so of course you try to make the deciding factor the regular season...

Shanahan is a lock for COTY. 49ers overcame a lot of diversity.

Show me where I said one word about Hodges please.

More fake news.

[86WARD]

49ers board is probably better. This board is toxic and dying. You are only allowed to echo fluff pieces. A 9-8 season is to be treated like a Super Bowl win or else.

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Discuss it with Teegre.

You can pretty much say whatever you want here…look how long you have been here. Even the challenges are welcome. But maybe you should go to the 49ers board…

[hawaiiansteeler]

49ers board is probably better. This board is toxic and dying. You are only allowed to echo fluff pieces. A 9-8 season is to be treated like a Super Bowl win or else.

you really should spend more time there and less time here then.

[86WARD]

you really should spend more time there and less time here then.

He won’t…he’s all talk…

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

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Is this a Tomlin burn? I said that firing Fichtner was a mistake because he had accomplished what he was set out to do: improve red zone scoring while establishing a short passing game that minimized turnovers while keeping Ben upright.

I thought Canada was an awful hire and said so. Then I didn't want Canada back this year and will never understand the reasoning past Tomlin throwing his HOF QB under the bus as "immobile."

Maybe send this meme to Tomlin?

[polamalubeast]

49ers board is probably better. This board is toxic and dying. You are only allowed to echo fluff pieces. A 9-8 season is to be treated like a Super Bowl win or else.




This is you who is so toxic....Nobody threat a 9-8 season as a super bowl......You can't read

[86WARD]

Is this a Tomlin burn? I said that firing Fichtner was a mistake because he had accomplished what he was set out to do: improve red zone scoring while establishing a short passing game that minimized turnovers while keeping Ben upright.

I thought Canada was an awful hire and said so. Then I didn't want Canada back this year and will never understand the reasoning past Tomlin throwing his HOF QB under the bus as "immobile."

Maybe send this meme to Tomlin?

Fake news.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

This is you who is so toxic....Nobody threat a 9-8 season as a super bowl......You can't read

"What a great coach! What a great coaching job!"

The toxic part is when any deviates from that level of zealotry.

[polamalubeast]

"What a great coach! What a great coaching job!"

The toxic part is when any deviates from that level of zealotry.

Fake news

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Fake news

?

[polamalubeast]

?

fake news

[Lady Steel]

:lol:

[86WARD]

"What a great coach! What a great coaching job!"

The toxic part is when any deviates from that level of zealotry.

Fake News.

[Rotorhead]

Is this a Tomlin burn? I said that firing Fichtner was a mistake because he had accomplished what he was set out to do: improve red zone scoring while establishing a short passing game that minimized turnovers while keeping Ben upright.

I thought Canada was an awful hire and said so. Then I didn't want Canada back this year and will never understand the reasoning past Tomlin throwing his HOF QB under the bus as "immobile."

Maybe send this meme to Tomlin?

Just stop, Fichtner was only here because Ben. Nobody thought Crapnada would be worse that Fichtner.

[fansince'76]

49ers board is probably better. This board is toxic and dying.

Get the fuck out, then. Here, let me help you.

[polamalubeast]

Get the fuck out, then. Here, let me help you.

Thank you!

[pczach]

Get the fuck out, then. Here, let me help you.




This person was allowed to say anything he wanted. He spoke his mind and his thoughts were heard.

People like this can never figure out that when they think they are in a room with thousands of idiots because almost nobody agrees with them....they are the idiot.

[Dwinsgames]

Get the fuck out, then. Here, let me help you.

I am Dwinsgames and I approve this message

[steelreserve]

Here’s an amazing stat: during Tomlin’s tenure (sixteen seasons) the Steelers have played one game (ONE) where they had been eliminated from playoff contention.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't that the Dolphins game where Willie Parker broke his leg, and we FINALLY got to be done with that sorry sack of shit the next year? If so, worth it.

[EzraTank]

Still not a losing season. When we were 2-6 I would have never though he would go 7-2.

[polamalubeast]

This is crazy!

[86WARD]

It’s kinda amazing that he pulled this team together to get above .500 after a 2-6 start. Gotta let Canada go after this mess…

[polamalubeast]

What was for you the good and the bad for Tomlin in 2022?

[steelreserve]

What was for you the good and the bad for Tomlin in 2022?

No playoffs because Tomlin decided to install a loser at quarterback and then stubbornly stick with him even when anyone could see it was failing.

That's it. That was the whole season right there.

Tomlin costing us an entire wasted season was the low point of the season. This one's completely on him.

[86WARD]

Bad - Tomlin sticks with an inept offense for three years. Sticks with a struggling veteran QB for too long.

Good - 2-6 in first half, 7-2 in last half. He does get the most out of players…just doesn’t always give them the best opportunity to succeed…

[that1guy]

12 years = 3 playoff wins. Not good enough for any franchise except the Pittsburgh Steelers

[j-d-s]

As I said back in october, Tomlin's streak stays intact:

We actually could. The record will probably be 9-8 anyways (or possibly 8-8-1) for Tomlin's .500 streak. I mean even in 2019 we finished 8-8 despite QBs like Duck Hodges...

Thus guaranteeing Tomlin staying in here. In fact, I'm pretty sure, it would take at least three losing seasons in a row for Tomlin to be fired.

Which is the right thing to do, since if Tomlin were fired, who would replace him? Tomlin might not be a Top5 coach (although some might make that case), but we probably won't get a Top5 coach if we fire him, and it should be noted that even Bill Belicheat didn't do too well since Brady left, and in fact hasn't won a playoff game the last 4 years neither. It would be more likely than not that we would enter into a phase of changing head coaches regularly (like the Browns usually do).

Especially I would stress that the result this year was pretty good, despite being dragged down by Matt Canada, playing with a rookie QB, and TJ Watt missing 7 games (going 1-6 in these, the games with TJ Watt we went 8-2). TJ Watt is that big a difference maker, opposing offenses do have to plan specifically to counter him (which often still is not enough), which opens up other players like Highsmith if they double team Watt.

If Tomlin is to be blamed it's for not winning more Playoff games/Super Bowls with Ben, especially during the Ben/Brown/Bell seasons.

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If I'm not mistaken, wasn't that the Dolphins game where Willie Parker broke his leg, and we FINALLY got to be done with that sorry sack of shit the next year? If so, worth it.

wtf.....Willie Parker was a very good RB...Very underrated by many!...A true homerun hitter....And it was against the rams in 2007 when he broke his leg in week 16 when he was first in rushing yards in the NFL.But a big fat RB like Najee Davenport was surely better according to you!

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Najee Davenport


Dokie ............ Loglayer ......

can't believe he was never a Brown , he was destined to be one yet it never happened

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Wouldn't that send the haters into a rage... :chuckle: