The Future QB of the Steelers is...

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Nce Hijack of the point of the thread putting you're political views into it El Gonzo.Take that crap to the other forum on here!

[cubanstogie]

Nce Hijack of the point of the thread putting you're political views into it El Gonzo.Take that crap to the other forum on here!
The self proclaimed smartest guy on forum does what he wants.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

The self proclaimed smartest guy on forum does what he wants. I see it again and will call him out on it again. Mods should do something about it and don't belong on the main board.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Hawaiian is a crap disturber as well and made this political. Go back to the other board and start crap daily fighting with posters like you do! Keep the main board here about Steeler football!

[Shoes]

While the end of the 2020 NFL season is still several weeks away, the 2021 mock draft season is well underway. Several initial major media draftnik mock drafts are slowly trickling out and on Tuesday, Dane Brugler of The Athletic released another offering with this one encompassing the first two rounds (https://theathletic.com/2316582/2021/01/12/nfl-mock-draft-devonta-smith/). To cut right to the chase, Brugler has the Pittsburgh Steelers selecting Alabama quarterback Mac Jones in the first round at 24th overall and Washington cornerback Elijah Molden in the second round at 55th overall.
Below is what Brugler wrote about regarding the Steelers possibly selecting Jones in the first round:
https://steelersdepot.com/2021/01/brugler-mocks-qb-cb-to-steelers-in-2021-draft-in-latest-two-round-offering/



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[Six Rings]

I just think Lawrence is going to be a bust.


Why? He's probably the best QB prospect in the past ten years. He has it all, and proved it vs. good competition?

[Six Rings]

I'm sold on Mac Jones now and also like the TE for OS.


We pick 24th. The secret on Jones is out. New England might pick him 15th.

We could be looking at Kyle Trask or nothing in round one, or take a shot on Newman in round two. Both players play in the senior bowl. Whomever does well that week will improve their stock.

[teegre]

I was noticing that there are sixteen spots where a QB could possibly get drafted (before the Steelers draft at 24).

1. Jags
2. Jets (Darnold)
3. Dolphins (Tua)
4. Falcons (Ryan)
7. Lions (Stafford)
8. Panthers
9. Broncos
10. Cowboys (Prescott)
12. 49ers
14. Vikings
15. Taperiots
18. Dolphins... again
19. WFT
20. Bears
21. Colts
22. Jets... again

Of course, for five of those teams, drafting a QB means that a veteran would come available.

[Born2Steel]

I was noticing that there are sixteen spots where a QB could possibly get drafted (before the Steelers draft at 24).

1. Jags
2. Jets (Darnold)
3. Dolphins (Tua)
4. Falcons (Ryan)
7. Lions (Stafford)
8. Panthers
9. Broncos
10. Cowboys (Prescott)
12. 49ers
14. Vikings
15. Taperiots
18. Dolphins... again
19. WFT
20. Bears
21. Colts
22. Jets... again

Of course, for five of those teams, drafting a QB means that a veteran would come available.

Only speaking to the "future QB" part. IF...the draft goes the way I think it will(BIG IF), AND the Cowboys do draft a QB, I would not mind replacing Ben's immediate backup with Dak. IF it goes differently than I think(smaller if), AND Ben does retire, we would have to draft somebody, but I think the plan would still be for Rudolph to take over moving forward.

A QB room of Ben, Dak, Rudolph doesn't look bad at all to me.

[DesertSteel]

Only speaking to the "future QB" part. IF...the draft goes the way I think it will(BIG IF), AND the Cowboys do draft a QB, I would not mind replacing Ben's immediate backup with Dak. IF it goes differently than I think(smaller if), AND Ben does retire, we would have to draft somebody, but I think the plan would still be for Rudolph to take over moving forward.

A QB room of Ben, Dak, Rudolph doesn't look bad at all to me.
I’m unclear. In that scenario are you saying that Dak would be Ben’s backup? Dak is going to sign for $40M a year.

[Born2Steel]

I’m unclear. In that scenario are you saying that Dak would be Ben’s backup? Dak is going to sign for $40M a year.

Sorry once again. Only mean as the player. I do understand there are contracts involved. I'm just didn't require one for that post. No I would not offer a 40M contract for a backup for next season.
BUT....In the pre-having to make any decisions on QB phase...I would rather have Dak to backup Ben than the current situation with MR and Dobbs.

[teegre]

Only speaking to the "future QB" part. IF...the draft goes the way I think it will(BIG IF), AND the Cowboys do draft a QB, I would not mind replacing Ben's immediate backup with Dak. IF it goes differently than I think(smaller if), AND Ben does retire, we would have to draft somebody, but I think the plan would still be for Rudolph to take over moving forward.

A QB room of Ben, Dak, Rudolph doesn't look bad at all to me.

There’s no way that the Steelers could afford both Ben and Dak.

I’d be all for signing Dak. I really liked him coming out of college. Plus, he is a free agent; so, we wouldn’t even have to give up any draft picks for him. :nod:

GOING WITH RUDOLPH:
Playing devil’s advocate, and the Steelers simply go with Rudolph/they don’t add another QB, I could see the draft focusing on surrounding Rudolph with talent, as well as solidifying both lines... something like this:

R1: Alex Learherwood, OT, Alabama
R2: Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn St.
R3: Landon Dickerson, OC, Alabama
Comp: Michael Carter, RB, UNC
R4: Darius Stills, DT, WVU
R6: Dante Stills, DT WVU
R7: CB
R7: CB

[DesertSteel]

Sorry once again. Only mean as the player. I do understand there are contracts involved. I'm just didn't require one for that post. No I would not offer a 40M contract for a backup for next season.
BUT....In the pre-having to make any decisions on QB phase...I would rather have Dak to backup Ben than the current situation with MR and Dobbs.
I’d rather have Ben backing up Dak.

[dislocatedday]

There’s no way that the Steelers could afford both Ben and Dak.

I’d be all for signing Dak. I really liked him coming out of college. Plus, he is a free agent; so, we wouldn’t even have to give up any draft picks for him. :nod:

GOING WITH RUDOLPH:
Playing devil’s advocate, and the Steelers simply go with Rudolph/they don’t add another QB, I could see the draft focusing on surrounding Rudolph with talent, as well as solidifying both lines... something like this:

R1: Alex Learherwood, OT, Alabama
R2: Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn St.
R3: Landon Dickerson, OC, Alabama
Comp: Michael Carter, RB, UNC
R4: Darius Stills, DT, WVU
R6: Dante Stills, DT WVU
R7: CB
R7: CB

I like the thought of drafting talent to support the QB position this year (Oline, TE, RB). I think there will be a deep run on QB in the first round before the Steelers pick at 24, which means other talent/positions goes down the board. Now, if there is a QB the Steelers absolutely love there at 24 then they might take him. I'm not sure they can afford to move up too much in the first round this year though and give up other draft capital.

Like you said, if there is a run on QBs then there should be some other guys available for the Steelers to bring in to compete with Rudolph (if Ben leaves). I still like the thought of giving Sam Darnold a chance with the Steelers if he becomes available.

[Born2Steel]

I’d rather have Ben backing up Dak.

That would probably kill the locker room but I understand your point.

I honestly see a situation where the future is MR and Dobbs/rookie at backup. After Ben retires of course, whenever that happens.

I could also see the FO just letting contracts run out 'organically' and using this year's and next year's drafts to hopefully replenish. That has been the way.

Whether the OL is playing hurt, or just not being coached well, the point is they have been terrible. Getting guys to protect MR is the smart first move I believe will be the emphasis this draft.

[EzraTank]

I was noticing that there are sixteen spots where a QB could possibly get drafted (before the Steelers draft at 24).

1. Jags
2. Jets (Darnold)
3. Dolphins (Tua)
4. Falcons (Ryan)
7. Lions (Stafford)
8. Panthers
9. Broncos
10. Cowboys (Prescott)
12. 49ers
14. Vikings
15. Taperiots
18. Dolphins... again
19. WFT
20. Bears
21. Colts
22. Jets... again

Of course, for five of those teams, drafting a QB means that a veteran would come available.

Can we still just call them the Redskins? WFT is too close to WTF. :)

[teegre]

I still like the thought of giving Sam Darnold a chance with the Steelers if he becomes available.

Indeed :nod: That rumor has been out there for a while. I think he could be had for our R2 pick.

I know that some say that Darnold “sees ghosts”, but Adam Gase was his coach; so, there were probably poltergeists walking around that facility. :lol: Joking aside, I think that in a new situation, Darnold will thrive (akin to when James Farrior spent his rookie contract withering away with that same team... and suddenly became a star after joining the Steelers).

[EzraTank]

A QB room of Ben, Dak, Rudolph doesn't look bad at all to me.

Did I miss them raising the CAP $200 million more? To me, next year is a Mason Rudolph year unless they can somehow move up in the draft and get a guy like Mac Jones. As Teegre pointed out just draft to surround MR with better players on offense, fire Fichtner and bring a real OC in that can design a balanced offense, get a legit NFL RB, and resign guys on defense to keep them competitive. Our defense was #1 in the league before we lost 75% of our starting LBers down the stretch. Losing Dupree was the killer though. With his pressure gone it was easy for teams to run away from TJ and double team him.

[Born2Steel]

Did I miss them raising the CAP $200 million more?

Already answered.

[EzraTank]

Already answered.

I know I was just busting on you. It's going to be a long offseason with us all locked in our houses!

[jens.karlsson.14]

I believe Ben will complete his contract, Rudolph as a good backup, if needed, and we'll see him more with a ordinary pre-season also. Wouldn't be surprised if we go with him after 2021. Is he really worse than Darnold? Will ge not develop to a Stafford, maybe explode to a second rank Allen..?

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[dislocatedday]

I believe Ben will complete his contract, Rudolph as a good backup, if needed, and we'll see him more with a ordinary pre-season also. Wouldn't be surprised if we go with him after 2021. Is he really worse than Darnold? Will ge not develop to a Stafford, maybe explode to a second rank Allen..?

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Darnold may not be better than Rudolph, but if Ben is not here next season and the Steelers want some competition for Mason then Darnold (or some other "purged" QB from another roster) might be an option. I just happen to like Darnold and think he could be productive somewhere else besides the Jets.

[Born2Steel]

First you imply that I either didn't watch or didn't see the O line play of either team...then your response is 5th grade name calling of "goof nut"?

You put the "ass" in "classless".

Paxton Lynch even thinks your "belief" is a joke.

This response is so pitifully funny on so many levels.
1. You 'believe' all responses are solely about you. There was no implication, only your inference. "YOU" meant as the plural for the entire forum. "Whether/or", didn't even disagree with your comments but offered options.
2. Apparently you have no guy friends to bust balls with conversationally, 'goof nut'. T'was harmless.
3. Forcing in a Paxton Lynch reference is beyond childish and petty and pretty much the very definition of 'classless'. But that's what I've come to expect.

[Mojouw]

Im not all about anything. People should be judged on actions and merit including experience and track record. Not skin color or gender.


I agree 100%, unfortunately our world isn't quite there yet.

Both of these comments can be true at the same time. The "Rooney Rule" is a bit flawed, as all things of this nature are bound to be, but it is the best tool available.

Mike Tomlin is a testament to why it should be in place. The team was all set to hire Russ Grimm. It was largely reported as a done deal. Then they decided (and I can not remember why) to interview Tomlin. He blew them away and got the job. My point is that if there is a grouping of candidates that you are not interviewing/examining/whatever; you are missing many viable folks.

If the crusty old cusses that run NFL teams need a rule to force their hands...then so be it. Look at what is going on in Houston...only started looking at "not old white guys" once their starting QB and other players got pissed. They were the ONLY team with a vacancy to not initially request to interview Eric Bienemy (sp?) - the only one.

[Born2Steel]

Darnold may not be better than Rudolph, but if Ben is not here next season and the Steelers want some competition for Mason then Darnold (or some other "purged" QB from another roster) might be an option. I just happen to like Darnold and think he could be productive somewhere else besides the Jets.

I seem to keep coming back to this and I honestly apologize if this horse is already dead. I don't think Ben is leaving yet. I do think the future plan at QB is Mason Rudolph. Ben will play out his current contract and then MR takes over the lead. Obviously this could change tomorrow and so much for what I think. I'm with you on bringing in competition for MR moving forward and Darnold is not the worst idea. If something along these lines does happen it probably will be a QB on a rookie deal that another team lets walk. Competition is usually never a bad thing. I don't think however, a rookie comes in and gives much competition unless we just get lucky again.

In previous seasons there has been talk of just draft a QB every draft and see if the next franchise shakes out. That method has some promise(Ravens go from Flacco to Jackson) but the other side of that coin is the Browns(too many misses to count).

I think the plan/priority is to strengthen the OL, secure a slot CB, and improve the offensive weapons(RB, TE, WR) for next season.

[dislocatedday]

I seem to keep coming back to this and I honestly apologize if this horse is already dead. I don't think Ben is leaving yet. I do think the future plan at QB is Mason Rudolph. Ben will play out his current contract and then MR takes over the lead. Obviously this could change tomorrow and so much for what I think. I'm with you on bringing in competition for MR moving forward and Darnold is not the worst idea. If something along these lines does happen it probably will be a QB on a rookie deal that another team lets walk. Competition is usually never a bad thing. I don't think however, a rookie comes in and gives much competition unless we just get lucky again.

In previous seasons there has been talk of just draft a QB every draft and see if the next franchise shakes out. That method has some promise(Ravens go from Flacco to Jackson) but the other side of that coin is the Browns(too many misses to count).

I think the plan/priority is to strengthen the OL, secure a slot CB, and improve the offensive weapons(RB, TE, WR) for next season.

I think you are likely right in regards to Ben. The more I think about it, the more I think he will be back next season. I'm not personally sure that is the best idea, however, it is also possible that his dwindling performance as the season wore on was a result of injuries. He just never really seemed right after that Dallas game when he took the hit to the knees. Maybe he heals up if he was injured, but I just worry that his body is breaking down and he is more likely to get hurt again.

I also can't quite understand why he would often look good in hurry up/no huddle offense..........but then horrible when they were not in that mode. The obvious place to point the blame is Fichtner, but I don't know exactly what is going on with the offensive game plan during a game, other than to my untrained eye the play calling looks like crap so much of the time when they are not in hurry up mode.

[Shoes]

I seem to keep coming back to this and I honestly apologize if this horse is already dead. I don't think Ben is leaving yet. I do think the future plan at QB is Mason Rudolph. Ben will play out his current contract and then MR takes over the lead. Obviously this could change tomorrow and so much for what I think. I'm with you on bringing in competition for MR moving forward and Darnold is not the worst idea. If something along these lines does happen it probably will be a QB on a rookie deal that another team lets walk. Competition is usually never a bad thing. I don't think however, a rookie comes in and gives much competition unless we just get lucky again.

In previous seasons there has been talk of just draft a QB every draft and see if the next franchise shakes out. That method has some promise(Ravens go from Flacco to Jackson) but the other side of that coin is the Browns(too many misses to count).

I think the plan/priority is to strengthen the OL, secure a slot CB, and improve the offensive weapons(RB, TE, WR) for next season.

95% of members on SU are MR haters. The game day thread will be really something, that is unless he plays lights out then everyone will be buying his Jersey. :chuckle:

[dislocatedday]

95% of members on SU are MR haters. The game day thread will be really something, that is unless he plays lights out then everyone will be buying his Jersey. :chuckle:

I'd love nothing more than for Mason Rudolph to play well consistently if he gets an opportunity to start again. Nothing could be better for the Steelers if that were to happen.

[Shoes]

I'd love nothing more than for Mason Rudolph to play well consistently if he gets an opportunity to start again. Nothing could be better for the Steelers if that were to happen.
Indeed!

[teegre]

Darnold may not be better than Rudolph, but if Ben is not here next season and the Steelers want some competition for Mason then Darnold (or some other "purged" QB from another roster) might be an option. I just happen to like Darnold and think he could be productive somewhere else besides the Jets.

Bingo!!!

It is aways better to have too many QBs than not enough. Even if we think Rudolph could "possibly" be the guy (his footwork has improved), I would still bring in someone else (draft pick, free agent, trade for a QB who is on the outs with his current team) to compete with Rudolph for the starting job.

[Rotorhead]

There’s no way that the Steelers could afford both Ben and Dak.

I’d be all for signing Dak. I really liked him coming out of college. Plus, he is a free agent; so, we wouldn’t even have to give up any draft picks for him. :nod:

GOING WITH RUDOLPH:
Playing devil’s advocate, and the Steelers simply go with Rudolph/they don’t add another QB, I could see the draft focusing on surrounding Rudolph with talent, as well as solidifying both lines... something like this:

R1: Alex Learherwood, OT, Alabama
R2: Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn St.
R3: Landon Dickerson, OC, Alabama
Comp: Michael Carter, RB, UNC
R4: Darius Stills, DT, WVU
R6: Dante Stills, DT WVU
R7: CB
R7: CB

This is my thought exactly (without the names) then we have a solid core for the next draft to get a QB if MR fails we would have a high draft pick.

[DesertSteel]

Based on what I saw from Rudolph in week 17, if given an innovative OC, I'd take him over a 39-year-old Ben next season.

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Darnold may not be better than Rudolph, but if Ben is not here next season and the Steelers want some competition for Mason then Darnold (or some other "purged" QB from another roster) might be an option. I just happen to like Darnold and think he could be productive somewhere else besides the Jets.
Under that premise, I'd rather have Winston.

[Skinart82]

Based on what I saw from Rudolph in week 17, if given an innovative OC, I'd take him over a 39-year-old Ben next season.

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Under that premise, I'd rather have Winston.

Winston can throw the ball to anyone, but that’s the problem, he will throw it to anyone, regardless of their jersey. Maybe since eye surgery he has improved, and being in the QB room with Brees for a year couldn’t hurt.

[DesertSteel]

Winston. We haven’t seen him since eye surgery a year ago and also a year under Brees and Payton.

[Born2Steel]

Winston came in for Brees the game Brees got the rib/collapsed lung injury. He threw 2 balls that were in defender hands and were dropped. Hill got the starter nod for the remaining games Brees was out. That may tell us something or nothing.

[Mojouw]

Winston came in for Brees the game Brees got the rib/collapsed lung injury. He threw 2 balls that were in defender hands and were dropped. Hill got the starter nod for the remaining games Brees was out. That may tell us something or nothing.

The fact that Winston can't beat out Taysum Hill tells me all I need to know about his viability as an NFL starter.

[pczach]

The fact that Winston can't beat out Taysum Hill tells me all I need to know about his viability as an NFL starter.




The thing everyone has to remember about Winston isn't just his interceptions. This guy is a turnover machine. His fumbles are off the charts as well.

Winston has 70 career starts, he has thrown 88 interceptions and has 50 fumbles.

No....that is not a misprint! :scared:

[st33lersguy]

I'm all in for Watson but I recognize that's going to be a whole heck of a lot. Right now Mac Jones is my guy, get him at 24 and if his stock goes up trade up into the late teens if need be

[hawaiiansteeler]

The thing everyone has to remember about Winston isn't just his interceptions. This guy is a turnover machine. His fumbles are off the charts as well.

Winston has 70 career starts, he has thrown 88 interceptions and has 50 fumbles.

No....that is not a misprint! :scared:

that's an amazing stat, I did't realize he had THAT many fumbles also!

[Born2Steel]

The thing everyone has to remember about Winston isn't just his interceptions. This guy is a turnover machine. His fumbles are off the charts as well.

Winston has 70 career starts, he has thrown 88 interceptions and has 50 fumbles.

No....that is not a misprint! :scared:

He averages 2 TOs a game and 2 TDs a game.

[teegre]

I'm all in for Watson but I recognize that's going to be a whole heck of a lot. Right now Mac Jones is my guy, get him at 24 and if his stock goes up trade up into the late teens if need be

WATSON: Andre Johnson tweeted support of Watson asking for a trade, saying that the Texans ruin careers. OUCH!!! Johnson alos posted a picture of himself and Watson at the Rockets game, with a tagline saying something like, "Stand your ground."

JONES: Normally, we agree on player evals, but I am not seeing it with Mac Jones. He throws it 7-10 yards... and his receivers and/or RBs do all of the heavy lifting. His accuracy is phenomenal, but I fear NFL defenses will just crowd the LOS (like they are currently doing to Ben).

[hawaiiansteeler]

Heck you are talking about trading our whole draft! That could actually get it done for Trevor!

trading all of our draft picks this year will get us nowhere near #1.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

trading all of our draft picks this year will get us nowhere near #1. Never said I was for that but will be what it takes to get it Done. Work for Mike Ditka. I'm for Mac Jones if we are going to draft a QB.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

WATSON: Andre Johnson tweeted support of Watson asking for a trade, saying that the Texans ruin careers. OUCH!!! Johnson alos posted a picture of himself and Watson at the Rockets game, with a tagline saying something like, "Stand your ground."

JONES: Normally, we agree on player evals, but I am not seeing it with Mac Jones. He throws it 7-10 yards... and his receivers and/or RBs do all of the heavy lifting. His accuracy is phenomenal, but I fear NFL defenses will just crowd the LOS (like they are currently doing to Ben).I like Watson but need to forget him and we can't afford him. If we are getting a QB the draft is what we can afford. I like Mac Jones and would take the chance. He change my mind in the championship game and had the worries before as well with the talent around him. He played against a good defense in that game!

[hawaiiansteeler]

Never said I was for that but will be what it takes to get it Done. Work for Mike Ditka.

Mike Ditka moved from the 12th position to the 5th and also had to give up the next year's 1st and 3rd round selections.

we would be moving from the 24th spot all the way up to the 1st.

what do you suppose we would have to give up to do that? probably all of this year's AND next year's selections.

[Six Rings]

There’s no way that the Steelers could afford both Ben and Dak.

I’d be all for signing Dak. I really liked him coming out of college. Plus, he is a free agent; so, we wouldn’t even have to give up any draft picks for him. :nod:

GOING WITH RUDOLPH:
Playing devil’s advocate, and the Steelers simply go with Rudolph/they don’t add another QB, I could see the draft focusing on surrounding Rudolph with talent, as well as solidifying both lines... something like this:

R1: Alex Learherwood, OT, Alabama
R2: Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn St.
R3: Landon Dickerson, OC, Alabama
Comp: Michael Carter, RB, UNC
R4: Darius Stills, DT, WVU
R6: Dante Stills, DT WVU
R7: CB
R7: CB

I don't think Leatherwood is a first round pick. I'd rather pick a good back or Center/Guard over TE early in round two. You picked Stills twice, pick again in round six. Carter is an interesting pick. Like him as the 3rd round comp pick.

[Six Rings]

WATSON: Andre Johnson tweeted support of Watson asking for a trade, saying that the Texans ruin careers. OUCH!!! Johnson alos posted a picture of himself and Watson at the Rockets game, with a tagline saying something like, "Stand your ground."

JONES: Normally, we agree on player evals, but I am not seeing it with Mac Jones. He throws it 7-10 yards... and his receivers and/or RBs do all of the heavy lifting. His accuracy is phenomenal, but I fear NFL defenses will just crowd the LOS (like they are currently doing to Ben).

I think Jones is getting short changed. He throws it deep far more than given credit, and he's insanely accurate. The WR is quickly located, and the ball gets there with velocity and accuracy, allowing his receiver to catch it in stride or near stride. I guess his perfomance vs Norte Dame and OSU wasn't enough for some. If Fields or Lawerence did that, people would be going ga-ga. Even in a rare game where he was pressured and sacked three times, he had good game. He's very good vs the blitz anyway. This is the SEC and college playoffs. He does it vs the best. 350 yards and 3 TD's is common for him. And the ball does to get batted or intercepted often, It's rare when you factor in how often he passes it.

The media really doesn't know how to judge a QB. The focus on his height, arm, and mobility. The easy stuff. With Jones, he's got it mentally. He drops back with awareness, understands coverage ( based it off where the safety is deep ), and delivers the football quickly, thanks to a very good release. Yeah he has all star receivers, but he also makes their chances count by quickly reading the coverage and delivering the football. That part of his game is lost to the media.

I like him in round one for us, though I suspect once the guys who know what they are doing review him, he goes pick #24 or sooner.

[Shoes]

The thing everyone has to remember about Winston isn't just his interceptions. This guy is a turnover machine. His fumbles are off the charts as well.

Winston has 70 career starts, he has thrown 88 interceptions and has 50 fumbles.

No....that is not a misprint! :scared:

I don't want him in a steeler uniform.

[Six Rings]

I don't want him in a steeler uniform.

88 INT's and 50 fumbles in 70 starts? That's a red flag in my book. More pressing to me is his twice surgically repaired knee. It's going to go again with his playing style.

[FrancoLambert]

I don't want him in a steeler uniform.

:yup:

[teegre]

I don't think Leatherwood is a first round pick. I'd rather pick a good back or Center/Guard over TE early in round two. You picked Stills twice, pick again in round six. Carter is an interesting pick. Like him as the 3rd round comp pick.

Leatherwood or whichever OT you prefer... as long as it’s an OT. :nod:

Freiermuth and Brevin Jordan are the only two “difference maker” TEs in this draft. (Well, obviously there’s Pitts, but he’s not dropping anywhere close to 24.) We need a significant upgrade at that position. Plus, a TE is a young QB’s best friend.

Dante is the younger brother of Darius. Dante should have stayed in school (although, in three years, he’ll probably be the better player). They work really well together.

[86WARD]

95% of members on SU are MR haters. The game day thread will be really something, that is unless he plays lights out then everyone will be buying his Jersey. :chuckle:

I don’t mind Rudolph. Last year, I said a lot of times, that the O-Line was a big contributor of his failures. I couldn’t count the amount of times that Rudolph was throwing the ball from an awkward position, without his legs, with no follow through, etc all because the line was instantly in his face.

I was impressed with him Week 17 and it definitely looks like his mechanics are better. Very interested to see how he progresses.

I believe the Steelers are still 2 years away from drafting a QB. Rudolph, Dobbs, Duck will be the line up if it’s not Ben, Rudolph, Dobbs.

[EzraTank]

Article saying Mac Jones isn't NFL ready:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-draft-mac-jones-despite-gaudy-statistics-at-alabama-lacks-in-key-areas-as-a-prospect/

So if he falls to the 2nd round and is still there do you take him?

[Six Rings]

Article saying Mac Jones isn't NFL ready:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-draft-mac-jones-despite-gaudy-statistics-at-alabama-lacks-in-key-areas-as-a-prospect/

So if he falls to the 2nd round and is still there do you take him?


Who is Chris Trapasso? The guy ends by saying there's a good chance he will be selected within the first 32 picks. Ya think Chris? Why not compare his deep ball accuracy to the others, rather than hide behind garbage stats LOS stats? If you want to take out all throws behind the LOS, where would he rate? Oh still #1? I think Jones is an NFL ready as it gets. Did Chis mention he's a 4.0 student? Of course not. Guy process quickly at quarterback.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Who is Chris Trapasso? The guy ends by saying there's a good chance he will be selected within the first 32 picks. Ya think Chris? Why not compare his deep ball accuracy to the others, rather than hide behind garbage stats LOS stats? If you want to take out all throws behind the LOS, where would he rate? Oh still #1? I think Jones is an NFL ready as it gets. Did Chis mention he's a 4.0 student? Of course not. Guy process quickly at quarterback.

I hope there is more like Chris saying this, so Mac Jones doesn't go higher and is there for the Steelers.

[Mojouw]

Who is Chris Trapasso? The guy ends by saying there's a good chance he will be selected within the first 32 picks. Ya think Chris? Why not compare his deep ball accuracy to the others, rather than hide behind garbage stats LOS stats? If you want to take out all throws behind the LOS, where would he rate? Oh still #1? I think Jones is an NFL ready as it gets. Did Chis mention he's a 4.0 student? Of course not. Guy process quickly at quarterback.



At least he writes his own stuff.


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[cubanstogie]

Who is Chris Trapasso? The guy ends by saying there's a good chance he will be selected within the first 32 picks. Ya think Chris? Why not compare his deep ball accuracy to the others, rather than hide behind garbage stats LOS stats? If you want to take out all throws behind the LOS, where would he rate? Oh still #1? I think Jones is an NFL ready as it gets. Did Chis mention he's a 4.0 student? Of course not. Guy process quickly at quarterback.


sure is a glass half empty way to look at Jones stats. lets look at the negative side of every stat. forget the fact the guy started one year and didn’t come close to losing a game. Its hard to judge a college qb, bigger disparity from star to average player than in nfl, and receivers seem to be more wide open. hard to imagine after watching him play this year he won’t do what it takes to be successful in NFL. not many college qb’s come in NFL ready. I can wait 2 years for a star QB though.

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At least he writes his own stuff.


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ouch!

[hawaiiansteeler]

At least he writes his own stuff.


https://media3.giphy.com/media/dIVcWFzAvU49apdTpB/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e473pn8xeucjctdncocjwxlhkat8q64 cz7j849f15dr&rid=giphy.gif

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/dIVcWFzAvU49apdTpB/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e473pn8xeucjctdncocjwxlhkat8q64 cz7j849f15dr&rid=giphy.gif You try to hard to impress others on this board to make you feel good about yourself!

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Don;t worry I'm taking a break till draft time and won't call you out again. See ya in a few months.

[Six Rings]

At least he writes his own stuff.


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So do I. You have never proven otherwise, and based on your replies here you DKSAF.

[EzraTank]

So do I. You have never proven otherwise, and based on your replies here you DKSAF.

Burn ... a DKSAF! It's not even in the urban dictionary.

[86WARD]

So do I. You have never proven otherwise, and based on your replies here you DKSAF.

How dare YOU! FYMITAFTUIB4L!!

[Six Rings]

YAMFAYKI !

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Burn ... a DKSAF! It's not even in the urban dictionary.

You might need to play or coach to know the meaning. Hint-hint " Don't know &hi^ about football " So now you now.

[EzraTank]

YAMFAYKI !

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You might need to play or coach to know the meaning. Hint-hint " Don't know &hi^ about football " So now you now.

TIWL





















Thanks I was lost

[86WARD]

So is it possible that Ben plays one more season on an extended, fully guaranteed, “3 year deal” with no new money? Is that even possible?

One more season of Ben would be until the end of Tomlins deal. At that point, the Rooney’s decide if they are sticking with Tomlin and a new QB or going with a new HC and a QB that fits the new guy’s philosophy.

The fear is that they draft a guy that Tomlin and Colbert like and then the “new guy” doesn’t like him and it’s a wasted pick.

[hawaiiansteeler]

You try to hard to impress others on this board to make you feel good about yourself!

cool, didn't realize you're a psychiatrist.

I've been having this recurring dream lately...

[teegre]

Every draft, there is a player that Steelers fans are passionate about. One side is deeply infatuated with that player, and the other side thinks that that player is the worst thing since Hitler. (Oddly, there never seems to be a middle ground.) For the 2021 draft, that player is named...

Mac Jones

Let the vitriol begin!!!

[FrancoLambert]

Every draft, there is a player that Steelers fans are passionate about. One side is deeply infatuated with that player, and the other side thinks that that player is the worst thing since Hitler. (Oddly, there never seems to be a middle ground.) For the 2021 draft, that player is named...

Mac Jones




Let the vitriol begin!!!

No vitriol here...I save it for the Soapbox. :chuckle:
Kornheiser characterized Mac Jones as the second coming of Bart Starr. Efficient, effective, smart, but lacking a cannon for an arm.
Starr-like QB play worked well in the 60’s.
Not sure it would be as effective in today’s deep ball game.
Thoughts?

[teegre]

No vitriol here...I save it for the Soapbox. :chuckle:
Kornheiser characterized Mac Jones as the second coming of Bart Starr. Efficient, effective, smart, but lacking a cannon for an arm.
Starr-like QB play worked well in the 60’s.
Not sure it would be as effective in today’s deep ball game.
Thoughts?

Jones is really accurate. He throws a great ball. He doesn’t make mistakes. He completes an uncanny number of passes. But, those passes only go 7-10 yards... and, we witnessed firsthand how that turns out. :scared: Sure he has thrown some deep balls (every QB has), but I do not see him as a Mahomes/Rodgers type; I just see him as Tom Brady...

...which is why I think the Taperiots nab* him.

*(if they don’t trade for Watson).

SUMMATION:
I’ll need some convincing to take Jones at 24.

[Born2Steel]

I think for the immediate future the QB is Ben R. Once Ben retires the current plan is Mason R. I don't think the Steelers draft a QB in 2021 unless that is the one stipulation the new OC must have to take the job.

As for Mac Jones, everything I have read on him, EVERYTHING, says he's a high football IQ QB that understands pre-snap and post-snap reads, makes it through his progressions quickly, is above average in accuracy and throwing guys open. His knocks are that he will require a clean pocket, is below average at creating under pressure, and doesn't have elite arm strength.
Lots to like and lots to be concerned about.

[Mojouw]

So...question...for all those far more well versed in prospects than myself (so just about everyone!).

How much "weaker" is Jones' arm than Burrow's? Burrow doesn't exactly have a cannon either. But his high IQ and pinpoint placement allow him to do well. In fact, he surpassed my largely uniformed expectations because his reported "average or below average" arm strength was not exploited by defenses.

So is on a scale of Favre to Alex Smith (use whatever scale you want to) how would those two compare?

[hawaiiansteeler]

So...question...for all those far more well versed in prospects than myself (so just about everyone!).

How much "weaker" is Jones' arm than Burrow's? Burrow doesn't exactly have a cannon either. But his high IQ and pinpoint placement allow him to do well. In fact, he surpassed my largely uniformed expectations because his reported "average or below average" arm strength was not exploited by defenses.

So is on a scale of Favre to Alex Smith (use whatever scale you want to) how would those two compare?

FYMITAFTUIB4L

[DesertSteel]

So is on a scale of Favre to Alex Smith (use whatever scale you want to) how would those two compare?
Stronger than Chad Pennington but weaker than Jeff George.

[teegre]

So...question...for all those far more well versed in prospects than myself (so just about everyone!).

How much "weaker" is Jones' arm than Burrow's? Burrow doesn't exactly have a cannon either. But his high IQ and pinpoint placement allow him to do well. In fact, he surpassed my largely uniformed expectations because his reported "average or below average" arm strength was not exploited by defenses.

So is on a scale of Favre to Alex Smith (use whatever scale you want to) how would those two compare?

Think: Brady in the right offense.

[Mojouw]

So not a weak arm at all? On par with Burrow's?

That is what is always so hard to parse with all these draft reports. What does "not a strong arm" mean? Like he can't throw if through a brick wall from 80 yards away or that he can't hit a 10 yard out to the far sideline?

[dislocatedday]

One of my biggest concerns with college QBs coming to the NFL is how do those QBs deal with pressure coming at them. Are they able to navigate it well, step up into the pocket as needed, and willing to take a shot in order to get a good and accurate pass off?

I don't watch enough college football games or QBs to have any real insight into how these top prospects are in relation to dealing with pressure. From my cursory readings, it does not appear that Mac Jones has really had to deal with pass rush pressure (...my assumption may be false, but with playing for the most elite college football program at Alabama I assume his pocket is clean way more often than your average college QB..).

I went to college at NC State and lived and worked in Raleigh, NC, back in the early 2000s , and I saw Philip Rivers play a bunch of games in person back in those days. I saw him first hand deal with pass rush pressure successfully, and to be able to go through his reads and make accurate throws under duress. Even when he was a sophomore playing I suspected he would make it in the pros just fine because of this, even though he never had a rocket arm, and he had an unorthodox throwing motion.

[teegre]

One of my biggest concerns with college QBs coming to the NFL is how do those QBs deal with pressure coming at them. Are they able to navigate it well, step up into the pocket as needed, and willing to take a shot in order to get a good and accurate pass off?

I don't watch enough college football games or QBs to have any real insight into how these top prospects are in relation to dealing with pressure. From my cursory readings, it does not appear that Mac Jones has really had to deal with pass rush pressure (...my assumption may be false, but with playing for the most elite college football program at Alabama I assume his pocket is clean way more often than your average college QB..).

I went to college at NC State and lived and worked in Raleigh, NC, back in the early 2000s , and I saw Philip Rivers play a bunch of games in person back in those days. I saw him first hand deal with pass rush pressure successfully, and to be able to go through his reads and make accurate throws under duress. Even when he was a sophomore playing I suspected he would make it in the pros just fine because of this, even though he never had a rocket arm, and he had an unorthodox throwing motion.

That is my biggest fear with Justin Fields. When he’s pressured, he looks awful.

[dislocatedday]

That is my biggest fear with Justin Fields. When he’s pressured, he looks awful.

I've seen some people say Justin Fields will be a better pro QB than Trevor Lawrence. I don't know what that assessment is based on though, except for Fields is more of a dual-threat QB who can run.

[hawaiiansteeler]

You try to hard to impress others on this board to make you feel good about yourself!

everyone except you and Six Rings.

I have standards.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

You try to hard to impress others on this board to make you feel good about yourself!


Its kind of funny. :lol:

Not sure if impressing anybody on a message board is worth anything. Dont know anybody for real anyways. Its just entertaining.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Its kind of funny. :lol:

Not sure if impressing anybody on a message board is worth anything. Dont know anybody for real anyways. Its just entertaining.

I tried to pay my mortgage with it yesterday and for some reason my bank wouldn't accept it.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Just like the thumbs up on FB you both crave it! Attention lol. I'm cool with that and not cool when you put other posters down to get it! That is all!

[hawaiiansteeler]

Just like the thumbs up on FB you both crave it! Attention lol. I'm cool with that and not cool when you put other posters down to get it! That is all!

I'm not even on FB so you should just stfu.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

I'm not even on FB so you should just stfu. You guys brought it back up. I'm done quit bringing it back up and said my point. Have a great Sunday!

[pczach]

Its kind of funny. :lol:

Not sure if impressing anybody on a message board is worth anything. Dont know anybody for real anyways. Its just entertaining.



So you're saying that when you insult me or disagree with me about football it's not personal? Who knew?

:toofunny:

If I had a dollar for every time I didn't impress everyone on a message board I wouldn't have to work for a living. :thumbsup:

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I tried to pay my mortgage with it yesterday and for some reason my bank wouldn't accept it.


Is that like cryptocurrency? :heh:

[DesertSteel]

You try to hard to impress others on this board to make you feel good about yourself!
For some reason I don't think he has to try real hard.

[teegre]

I've seen some people say Justin Fields will be a better pro QB than Trevor Lawrence. I don't know what that assessment is based on though, except for Fields is more of a dual-threat QB who can run.

The talking heads need something to talk about. It’s similar to the discussions about Manning vs. Leaf and Luck vs. RGIII.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Just like the thumbs up on FB you both crave it! Attention lol. I'm cool with that and not cool when you put other posters down to get it! That is all!

If you are coming to message boards and getting your feelings hurt, you should possibly re assess participating in them, have a better thought out comment, or maybe get some thicker skin.

I look at Steelers boards as a virtual bar, with a bunch of Steelers fans in it where we can talk football. If somebody has a bad take, dumb statement, etc. They get their balls busted sometimes, just like hanging around in a bar with some fellas. Its like Jim Rome used to say on his radio show "have a take and dont suck".

I have friends that are fans, Bears, Eagles, Dolphins, Broncos, Packers, Cowboys fans. Most of them coach football and know the game, but when one of us says something that is blind homer stuff, or can be contradicted because we dont know that team as well as our favorite team, we get called out on it and balls get busted. It's really not that different in here, except we are all Steelers fans, except for a few good dudes like Silver & Black, Crow-Magnon, etc.

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So you're saying that when you insult me or disagree with me about football it's not personal? Who knew?

:toofunny:

If I had a dollar for every time I didn't impress everyone on a message board I wouldn't have to work for a living. :thumbsup:

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I think what I am saying is...."have a take and don't suck" and...

https://juliehancoaching.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/LIGHTEN-UP..png

[pczach]

If you are coming to message boards and getting your feelings hurt, you should possibly re assess participating in them, have a better thought out comment, or maybe get some thicker skin.

I look at Steelers boards as a virtual bar, with a bunch of Steelers fans in it where we can talk football. If somebody has a bad take, dumb statement, etc. They get their balls busted sometimes, just like hanging around in a bar with some fellas. Its like Jim Rome used to say on his radio show "have a take and dont suck".

I have friends that are fans, Bears, Eagles, Dolphins, Broncos, Packers, Cowboys fans. Most of them coach football and know the game, but when one of us says something that is blind homer stuff, or can be contradicted because we dont know that team as well as our favorite team, we get called out on it and balls get busted. It's really not that different in here, except we are all Steelers fans, except for a few good dudes like Silver & Black, Crow-Magnon, etc.

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:thumbsup:

I think what I am saying is...."have a take and don't suck" and...

https://juliehancoaching.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/LIGHTEN-UP..png


Sargeant Hulka is classic!

[teegre]

The Lions have told Matthew Stafford that they will be parting ways/seeking a trade for the QB.

[hawaiiansteeler]

The Lions have told Matthew Stafford that they will be parting ways/seeking a trade for the QB.

I love Stafford's toughness, a lot of teams are going to be interested in him.

[teegre]

I love Stafford's toughness, a lot of teams are going to be interested in him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rvIwyikbRU&feature=emb_err_woyt

[Dwinsgames]

I love Stafford's toughness, a lot of teams are going to be interested in him.


Indy is probably mulling this over pretty good

[hawaiiansteeler]

Indy is probably mulling this over pretty good

good point, the Patriots* come to mind also.

[Steeler-in-west]

I hope Ben has something left in the tank for next season

[Mojouw]

Matt Stafford with the Steelers WRs would certainly pile up stats. Unless Stafford's back explodes again.

No way they do it though. It just isn't there thing to give up that many draft picks.

[DesertSteel]

My prediction is that the Steelers future quarterback is Dwayne Haskins. I think there’s a greater chance of him maturing than the Steelers striking gold in the draft or FA. He has franchise physical talent. Let’s see what he can do in a winning organization with a second chance.

[teegre]

Matt Stafford with the Steelers WRs would certainly pile up stats. Unless Stafford's back explodes again.

No way they do it though. It just isn't there thing to give up that many draft picks.

Colbert has a good relationship with the Lions. If any GM can make it work, it’s Colbert.

Cap-wise: Stafford has two years left on his current deal. Add two more years and defer money into those extra two years. In Omar Khan I trust.

Draft-wise: It wouldn’t cost us our entire draft ;like it would have for Watson), but it would definitely be costly. Probably three picks (two R1s and a R2). If you consider that one of those picks would be for a QB anyway, and giving up two more high picks to “ensure” you aren’t getting a bust, it’s not a bad price.

[DesertSteel]

I don’t think Stafford is garnering two R1’s. I think a 1 and a 3 gets him. It’s gonna be a buyer’s market.

[Mojouw]

Colbert has a good relationship with the Lions. If any GM can make it work, it’s Colbert.

Cap-wise: Stafford has two years left on his current deal. Add two more years and defer money into those extra two years. In Omar Khan I trust.

Draft-wise: It wouldn’t cost us our entire draft ;like it would have for Watson), but it would definitely be costly. Probably three picks (two R1s and a R2). If you consider that one of those picks would be for a QB anyway, and giving up two more high picks to “ensure” you aren’t getting a bust, it’s not a bad price.


I don’t think Stafford is garnering two R1’s. I think a 1 and a 3 gets him. It’s gonna be a buyer’s market.

You both make excellent points. Honestly if the price was a 1 and a 3, I'd take that deal all day everyday and twice on Sundays. That is assuming the Steelers preferred direction is to "win now". If their preferred direction is the best "long term" set-up; then maybe you make the same trade (a #1 and #3) to try and convince the Cowboys to give up their #10 and take Trey Lance? Assuming he would last that long...

[86WARD]

Duck signs with the Rams

[teegre]

I don’t think Stafford is garnering two R1’s. I think a 1 and a 3 gets him. It’s gonna be a buyer’s market.

If that’s the case, I am 100% in!!!

[that1guy]

Duck signs with the Rams

I'm happy he found a new home, after the honeymoon period was over fans were over him.

[Born2Steel]

Not sure how Stafford makes sense in Pittsburgh. And I’m a HUGE Stafford fan.

[tube517]

Ben Mason Stafford Darnold Watson Haskins......man that QB room gonna be full

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[pczach]

Ben Mason Stafford Darnold Watson Haskins......man that QB room gonna be full

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We won't have another draft pick until 2034. ;)

[teegre]

Ben Mason Stafford Darnold Watson Haskins......man that QB room gonna be full

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We might be able to add Aaron Rodgers to that list. Really. I created this thread a week before the chatter about Watson ever started... and I’m getting that exact same “gut feeling” again about Rodgers wanting out of Green Bay.

[DesertSteel]

I'm happy he found a new home, after the honeymoon period was over fans were over him.
Ducksanity didn’t last long.

[ETL]

Add Trubisky - I think he has the physical tools to be good. He’s an accurate passer

[Mojouw]

We might be able to add Aaron Rodgers to that list. Really. I created this thread a week before the chatter about Watson ever started... and I’m getting that exact same “gut feeling” again about Rodgers wanting out of Green Bay.

His post game comments were not those of a happy camper.

[hawaiiansteeler]

His post game comments were not those of a happy camper.

Danica Patrick just texted me, she said it's because Aaron Rodgers is an asshole.

[pczach]

Danica Patrick just texted me, she said it's because Aaron Rodgers is an asshole.



How did she get your number too?

If Danica and Olivia Munn don't stop texting me to tell me Aaron Rodgers is an asshole, I'm really going to get upset! :chuckle:

[teegre]

Add Trubisky - I think he has the physical tools to be good. He’s an accurate passer

I’ve never seen a season where so many teams could have new starting QBs.

Dolphins, Taperiots, Jets, Broncos, Steelers, Jags, Colts, Texans, WFT, Cowboys, Rams, Niners, Saints, Panthers, Falcons, Lions, Bears, and now... Packers.

[Mojouw]

I’ve never seen a season where so many teams could have new starting QBs.

Dolphins, Taperiots, Jets, Broncos, Steelers, Jags, Colts, Texans, WFT, Cowboys, Rams, Niners, Saints, Panthers, Falcons, Lions, Bears, and now... Packers.

It is pretty ridiculous. I think it is the salary cap stuff. You have two years to find out if you can win with the guy. After that, you have to move on because the cost benefit gets out of whack.

[teegre]

It is pretty ridiculous. I think it is the salary cap stuff. You have two years to find out if you can win with the guy. After that, you have to move on because the cost benefit gets out of whack.

There seems to be a couple of factors:

1. New coaches wanting “their” QB.

2. Teams seeing how QBs who are on a rookie contract are young & cheap.

2-a. Teams wanting to purge larger contracts (in favor of acquiring the aforementioned cheaper, younger rookie contracts).

3. Players “at odds” with their current team.

[DesertSteel]

The NFL needs a QB cap and a non-QB cap.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Another Mr. ‘Rodgers’ in Pittsburgh?

Pfft! All these quarterbacks potentially moving teams! Matt Stafford, Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz and Sam Darnold.

The Steelers have only been on the fringes of a few of those discussions. At best.

But Aaron Rodgers? Sure. Let’s just cannonball off the high dive instead of wading into the shallow end of the pool.

The likely NFL MVP was eliminated from the playoffs Sunday as his Green Bay Packers lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the NFC Championship Game 31-26.

Via ESPN.com’s Rob Demovsky, Rodgers sounded like a quarterback who wasn’t sure he’d be back with the Packers next year.

Green Bay Packers beat writer Matt Schneidman of The Athletic echoed that sentiment.

Rodgers is under contract through 2023. But Green Bay drafted quarterback Jordan Love in the first round last spring. And Rodgers’ cap number next year is over $39.8 million. It’s at $28.3 million in 2023.

If Rodgers moves, ProFootballTalk lists Pittsburgh as one of the favorites to acquire him.

Of course, that would require the release or trade of Ben Roethlisberger for that to happen. And the Steelers have been listed as long shots for all of those other quarterbacks if they get moved.

Perhaps ProFootballTalk is assuming the Steelers won’t move on from Roethlisberger for one of those candidates, but they may do it for Rodgers.

I would.

https://triblive.com/sports/first-call-steelers-touted-as-potential-new-team-for-aaron-rodgers-duck-hodges-flies-west-super-bowl-odds/

[DesertSteel]

Could I even imagine Rodgers in the black and gold?! Wow! I think he has at least 3 yeas left at a high level. Cut Ben and get to work on the trade ASAP!!!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Could I even imagine Rodgers in the black and gold?! Wow! I think he has at least 3 yeas left at a high level. Cut Ben and get to work on the trade ASAP!!!
Interesting, but I dont know if many will want him here. I seem to recall the consensus on this forum is that he is over rated, from what I remember.

That and the guy in Tampa is a "system QB".

[DesertSteel]

Interesting, but I dont know if many will want him here. I seem to recall the consensus on this forum is that he is over rated, from what I remember.

That and the guy in Tampa is a "system QB".
Haha... watch how fast opinions would change. As for Brady, I think there's a good chance we'd be in the Super Bowl if we'd signed a 43 yo Brady.

[ETL]

Rodgers is a Pittsburgh type of guy. So is Wentz. Brady and his obsession over fashion and hairstyles was never a fit for Pittsburgh.

[SteelersNorth]

Interesting, but I dont know if many will want him here. I seem to recall the consensus on this forum is that he is over rated, from what I remember.

That and the guy in Tampa is a "system QB".

Rodgers is grossly overrated.
thank fuck he lost yesterday. Leading into that game all the talking meat heads were starting to crown him better than Brady. And then had he made the super bowl and won it was a done deal.

Ultimately Max Kellerman finally said something correct - ‘Aaron Rodgers Choked’ yes yes he did and it was amazing hahahahahaha

in 2 different title games his defense has got him the ball 8 extra times he’s managed 9 TOTAL points yeah you’re awesome bud #nope

[hawaiiansteeler]

Rodgers is grossly overrated.
thank fuck he lost yesterday. Leading into that game all the talking meat heads were starting to crown him better than Brady. And then had he made the super bowl and won it was a done deal.

Ultimately Max Kellerman finally said something correct - ‘Aaron Rodgers Choked’ yes yes he did and it was amazing hahahahahaha

in 2 different title games his defense has got him the ball 8 extra times he’s managed 9 TOTAL points yeah you’re awesome bud #nope

Rodgers is only 1-4 in NFC Championship games and is 0-37 when trailing by 1 point or more entering the 4th quarter vs teams with a winning record.

[SteelersNorth]

Rodgers is only 1-4 in NFC Championship games and is 0-37 when trailing by 1 point or more entering the 4th quarter vs teams with a winning record.

that’s pretty terrible if you ask me.
And yet no one ever wants to mention stuff like that to taint his image that is of the fake legend variety

[Born2Steel]

Here's the article. AND the best explanation of TEAM vs QB and STATS.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/11/nfl-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-fourth-quarter-comebacks-stat

[SteelersNorth]

Here's the article. AND the best explanation of TEAM vs QB and STATS.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/11/nfl-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-fourth-quarter-comebacks-stat


wow they used highlights on the flukiest play in football the Hail Mary to make the point worse lol
and that cook throw give him the credit no ones around Rodgers for 5-7 yards but because it’s Rodgers it’s the throw...gross

if this is any other QB none of this is talked about.
He’s overrated plain and simple and sucks when it really matters points been proven numerous times.

imagine id he was 37-0 and not 0-37 it would be all Rodgers sans his so called TEAM.
its all media bullshit and that’s the most frustrating thing

[Born2Steel]

wow they used highlights on the flukiest play in football the Hail Mary to make the point worse lol
and that cook throw give him the credit no ones around Rodgers for 5-7 yards but because it’s Rodgers it’s the throw...gross

if this is any other QB none of this is talked about.
He’s overrated plain and simple and sucks when it really matters points been proven numerous times.

imagine id he was 37-0 and not 0-37 it would be all Rodgers sans his so called TEAM.
its all media bullshit and that’s the most frustrating thing

How do you REALLY feel about Aaron Rodgers? :stirthepot:


Just messin'

[SteelersNorth]

How do you REALLY feel about Aaron Rodgers? :stirthepot:


Just messin'

it’s the bullshit narrative the talking heads keep trying to force feed down everyone’s throat.

ive admitted that I do realize he’s good no question or argument.
but to spin total bullshit like that article just to protect his image is insanity.
like I said if this were any other QB it would be the QBs fault. Rodgers continually gets a free pass for his teams failures and why? If he’s so amazing he should be central point of blame. Sure his stat line looked good in the end of the game but he didn’t play all that well overall I mean he was down 21-10 at the half. It’s not like he scored at will when he had the ball nor did Brady.

hell even until Peyton won his 2nd super bowl lots thought he was a choke artist in the playoffs.
what’s the difference with Rodgers? Zero.

[DesertSteel]

hell even until Peyton won his 2nd super bowl lots thought he was a choke artist in the playoffs.
what’s the difference with Rodgers? Zero.
He was a choke artist in the playoffs.

[Rotorhead]

Well, I actually watched the game, the TB defense played great, and GB basically has one good WR. Their coverage was ridiculous plus the fact that DPI was non existent for most of the game. His mobility, accuracy and arm strength is pretty much tops in the league. If anyone here thinks he wouldn’t be an immediate upgrade to Ben for the next 3 years you are foolish.
That being said, we would have to cut the entire team to sign him so any talk of that happening is just fooling yourself.

[DesertSteel]

Rodgers would get us to 13-3 and the AFCCG.

[SteelersNorth]

Well, I actually watched the game, the TB defense played great, and GB basically has one good WR. Their coverage was ridiculous plus the fact that DPI was non existent for most of the game. His mobility, accuracy and arm strength is pretty much tops in the league. If anyone here thinks he wouldn’t be an immediate upgrade to Ben for the next 3 years you are foolish.
That being said, we would have to cut the entire team to sign him so any talk of that happening is just fooling yourself.

That article a few posts back proves Rodgers is way too overrated and has been protected for way too long.
here’s the thing the article says it’s a team game for them being 0-37
flip the script and Rodgers is 37-0 NOT the Packers as a team it would be all the amazingness that is Aaron Rodgers.
Trying to spin that thing any other way is just foolish.

Aaron Rodgers is the current eras Peyton Manning in the playoffs the best choke artist there is.
And personally I thoroughly enjoy watching him sulk hahahahha

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Rodgers would get us to 13-3 and the AFCCG.

no guarantees he’s gone 15-1 and the only QB to be one and done soooooo....

[hawaiiansteeler]

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[teegre]

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BINGO!!!

[Steeler-in-west]

Why is Ben at the bottom of that list?

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Why is Ben at the bottom of that list?

Because he is the oldest on that list and closest to retirement.

[Fire Goodell]

Discount double choke!

[teegre]

All things being equal, Rodgers’ contract would be tough to deal with. He’s as close to retirement as Brees and Ben were two years ago... and once he retires, that contract comes due.

As in: not only can we NOT kick his contract down the road to when we have more cap room (his age and his four-year deal leaves little wiggle room), we might have to actually pay MORE than expected, if he suddenly retires (those remaining years’ worth of signing bonus would suddenly count against that year’s cap hit).

The Taperiots have the cap room to deal with that kind of contract. Hence, that is where I expect Rodgers to land.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Colts, Steelers & Saints Likely To Have Close Eye On Mac Jones At Senior Bowl

The 2021 Senior Bowl gets off and running on Tuesday, providing NFL teams their only chance to see a collection of draft prospects on the field at the same time with the public health crisis having led to the cancelation of this year's Scouting Combine, and the player with the most eyes on him is likely to be Alabama quarterback Mac Jones.

Jones is not the best prospect in Mobile this week. That is his Crimson Tide teammate DeVonta Smith, who will take part in meetings and interview with teams but will not go through on-field drills because of a dislocated finger.

In terms of players who will be out there at Hancock Whitney Stadium, Jones provides the most intrigue.

At least four quarterbacks are anticipated to go in the first round of this year's NFL Draft and Jones is in a position to make it five following a stellar lone season as Alabama's starter, which saw him named a Heisman Trophy finalist and lead the Tide to National Championship glory .

His primary task in the pre-draft season will be proving his Alabama success was not purely a consequence of his phenomenal supporting cast that included Smith and running back Najee Harris, who will also be in Mobile this week.

If he can do that, Jones will have an excellent shot of going in the first round. Jones' efforts at the Senior Bowl could have a significant influence on those hopes and three quarterback-needy teams who reached the playoffs in 2020 are likely to have a close eye on how he performs under the spotlight.

Pittsburgh Steelers

The Steelers appear set for one more year of Ben Roethlisberger, but it is clear the end is nigh for the future Hall of Famer, and finding a replacement has to be near the top of their list of offseason tasks.

Selecting 24th in the first round, Jones could fall right into Pittsburgh's lap and give the Steelers an heir apparent who can challenge Roethlisberger in 2021 if he struggles to the extent he did down the stretch this season.

What will appeal to the Steelers is the upside Jones has displayed as a downfield thrower. He was second in college football with 12.8 adjusted yards per attempt in 2020, demonstrating tremendous accuracy and touch when going deep.

The Steelers' deep passing game disintegrated in 2020. With the right tutelage as he adapts to the pros, Jones could revive it. Yet, with needs in the secondary, on both sides of the trenches and at running back, the Steelers may need to Jones to do more to convince them he is worth selecting ahead of top prospects in those areas.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasmcgee/2021/01/26/colts-steelers--saints-likely-to-have-close-eye-on-mac-jones-at-senior-bowl/?sh=6fecba866973

[Shoes]

Because he is the oldest on that list and closest to retirement.

Yep, he'll be back in 2021 and take his normal 4-5 games to warm up. Ben did change it up a bit this year, rather than taking 4-5 warm up games at the start of the season he took them at the end of the season. :chuckle:

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Yep, he'll be back in 2021 and take his normal 4-5 games to warm up. Ben did change it up a bit this year, rather than taking 4-5 warm up games at the start of the season he took them at the end of the season. :chuckle:

I think you are right. He works out a deal to lessen that cap number and comes back next year. Has the usual slow start and the media will point to the "new coordinator", "new players". Then the Steelers will string together 2 or 3 wins, to make the extra $15million feel justified, but finish 1-5 in the Division and 7-9 on the season.

The Ben fanboys will then call for Tomlin's resignation and a Roethlisberger extension with the rationale..."we are just a big time RB away from Ben getting us to the Super Bowl". "Give Ben another 4 years".

[Born2Steel]

So when fans disagree with YOUR opinion they become ‘fanboys’?

[hawaiiansteeler]

Then the Steelers will string together 2 or 3 wins, to make the extra $15million feel justified, but finish 1-5 in the Division and 7-9 on the season.


impossible.

Tomlin never has a losing season. :hippo:

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

So when fans disagree with YOUR opinion they become ‘fanboys’?

I see you're back to being a goof nut. :chuckle:

[Born2Steel]

I see you're back to being a goof nut. :chuckle:


I usually am a goof nut. And I usually enjoy discussing differing opinions. But not with people that take a superior attitude and condescend toward those that disagree with their opinion. Ben’s on target % was 75% for 2020. Of the remaining 25%, 15% were off target, and the rest were throw aways. The Steelers WRs had a collective 6.4% drop rate. A 75% completion rate(75 on target without the drops) is pretty good for any QB.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I usually am a goof nut. And I usually enjoy discussing differing opinions. But not with people that take a superior attitude and condescend toward those that disagree with their opinion. Ben’s on target % was 75% for 2020. Of the remaining 25%, 15% were off target, and the rest were throw aways. The Steelers WRs had a collective 6.4% drop rate. A 75% completion rate(75 on target without the drops) is pretty good for any QB.

Did you watch the games, or just the fantasy stats? Ben routinely missed open throws that he normally would make 5 years ago, plus made questionable reads where he passed to somebody that was covered, as opposed to the open route. I deleted the Browns loss, but again, the only INT that wasnt his fault was the tipped pass. All the others were bad throws/reads.

So the Steelers offense was designed around a lot of short completions, which pads stats in terms of completions. If that makes you feel better about a QB that passed his prime several seasons ago, then enjoy it.

If you can put down your fan bias and objectively look at Ben's diminished skills and abilities, then you would realize that his last chance of getting to another Super Bowl, disappeared a few seasons ago.

[Steeler-in-west]

Because he is the oldest on that list and closest to retirement.

he may be the oldest but the list is not by age. I think it’s because the writer thinks his future is the least in question on that list. I think he’s coming back for one more shot as well - whether it’s for better or worse remains to be seen....

[86WARD]

So will the senior bowl show us what QB in this draft should one be overly excited about that realistically can fall to the Steelers at 20-24?

[teegre]

So will the senior bowl show us what QB in this draft should one be overly excited about that realistically can fall to the Steelers at 20-24?

I hope that Zach Wilson throws three picks during the game... and literally throws up on the field... and thus, he drops to 24. (I know that he is not playing... but, maybe he comes running onto the field and puts on a show!!!)

Realistically, it is a huge game for Mac Jones, Kyle Trask, and Jamie Newman... and to a degree, Ian Book.

[DesertSteel]

Let's not forget that we're going to need a backup soon. Mason will either be the man or gone after next season. I like Ian Book in that role. He can be had in rounds 4-5, I think. I'm biased as a ND fan, but I've also seen him play every game. Lots of poise and leadership. A good game manager with some big play upside.

[teegre]

Let's not forget that we're going to need a backup soon. Mason will either be the man or gone after next season. I like Ian Book in that role. He can be had in rounds 4-5, I think. I'm biased as a ND fan, but I've also seen him play every game. Lots of poise and leadership. A good game manager with some big play upside.

Indeed

Not at 24, but on Day 3 :nod:

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Let's not forget that we're going to need a backup soon. Mason will either be the man or gone after next season. I like Ian Book in that role. He can be had in rounds 4-5, I think. I'm biased as a ND fan, but I've also seen him play every game. Lots of poise and leadership. A good game manager with some big play upside.

He is reportedly having a good day 1 at senior bowl practices, throwing the short and intermediate routes well.

[86WARD]

I hope that Zach Wilson throws three picks during the game... and literally throws up on the field... and thus, he drops to 24. (I know that he is not playing... but, maybe he comes running onto the field and puts on a show!!!)

Realistically, it is a huge game for Mac Jones, Kyle Trask, and Jamie Newman... and to a degree, Ian Book.

So if a Mac Jones does very well, maybe that moves him out of Steelers range?

[hawaiiansteeler]

NFL Draft 2021: Who Are This Year's Biggest Bust Candidates?

CHRIS ROLING
JANUARY 26, 2021

Mac Jones, QB, Alabama

Alabama quarterback Mac Jones threw for 4,500 yards and 41 touchdowns against four interceptions in 2020, completing 77.4 percent of his 402 attempts. That earned him the highest-ever single-season quarterback grade from Pro Football Focus.

However, a closer look hints at some issues.

CBS Sports has Jones ranked 25th overall, but he's 46th at The Draft Network. The former has Alabama wideouts DeVonta Smith (the Heisman Trophy winner) and Jaylen Waddle ranked among the top 10 overall prospects and two of his offensive linemen (Deonte Brown and Alex Leatherwood) in the top 50. The latter has both wideouts in the top 10, Leatherwood at No. 27 and running back Najee Harris at No. 21.

That may lead teams to wonder whether Jones was a product of his surrounding talent.

Smith accounted for 1,856 yards and 23 touchdowns of his production. Alabama's weapons compensated for his average arm strength, and he won't thrive off script like 2020 No. 1 overall pick Joe Burrow.

While Jones has the feel of a late first-rounder, the lone year of standout production and strength of his surrounding pieces raise some cautionary signs.

Zach Wilson, QB, BYU

Zach Wilson is one of the consensus top quarterback prospects, and that doesn't figure to change throughout the draft process.

Wilson broke out in 2020, completing 73.5 percent of his passes for 3,692 yards and 33 touchdowns against only three interceptions. Considering he had only 11 touchdowns and nine interceptions on a similar number of attempts in 2019, the leap in production was noteworthy.

The BYU star has a booming arm and can make impressive throws with anticipation. He also makes plenty of plays with his legs, whether it's getting out of trouble or picking up yardage on his own, as evidenced by his 10 rushing scores this past season.

The problem with Wilson is competition. He faced only four teams with a winning record all season, and while throwing for four touchdowns against 2-10 Texas State is great, throwing one score and a pick against 11-1 Coastal Carolina isn't.

Tearing down a prospect for taking care of business against a bad schedule isn't always advisable. But it's at least a big warning sign with Wilson, whose dramatic one-year leap coincided with a cakewalk lineup of opponents.

Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State

Trey Lance is somewhat of a great unknown in the 2021 class.

In 2019, he completed 66.9 percent of his passes for 2,786 yards, 28 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and he added 1,100 yards and 14 touchdowns on the ground. However, a lack of film—he played only one game in 2020—and concerns about his level of competition may work against him.

Lance's upside is immense, largely because of his running potential, but having only 318 collegiate passing attempts is concerning. Pro Football Focus' Mike Renner compared him to New Orleans Saints gadget player Taysom Hill, "but if Taysom Hill could throw the football somewhat accurately."

Some team will take the plunge on Lance's enormous upside. But in an impatient league that often expects results from quarterback prospects right away, it could backfire.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2928065-nfl-draft-2021-who-are-this-years-biggest-bust-candidates

[hawaiiansteeler]

Mel Kiper:

And in case you were hoping the Steelers would take a quarterback to replace Ben Roethlisberger, Kiper has Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence going No. 1 to the Jaguars, BYU’s Zach Wilson No. 4 to the Falcons, Ohio State’s Justin Fields No. 7 to the Lions, North Dakota State’s Trey Lance No. 8 to the Panthers and Alabama’s Mac Jones No. 15 to the Patriots.

https://triblive.com/sports/espns-mel-kiper-jr-1st-2021-mock-draft-shows-steelers-selecting-olb/

[DesertSteel]

Mel Kiper:

And in case you were hoping the Steelers would take a quarterback to replace Ben Roethlisberger, Kiper has Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence going No. 1 to the Jaguars, BYU’s Zach Wilson No. 4 to the Falcons, Ohio State’s Justin Fields No. 7 to the Lions, North Dakota State’s Trey Lance No. 8 to the Panthers and Alabama’s Mac Jones No. 15 to the Patriots.

https://triblive.com/sports/espns-mel-kiper-jr-1st-2021-mock-draft-shows-steelers-selecting-olb/
And we all know that Mel is always right. Especially in January.

[hawaiiansteeler]

And we all know that Mel is always right. Especially in January.

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[Born2Steel]

Let's not forget that we're going to need a backup soon. Mason will either be the man or gone after next season. I like Ian Book in that role. He can be had in rounds 4-5, I think. I'm biased as a ND fan, but I've also seen him play every game. Lots of poise and leadership. A good game manager with some big play upside.


I honestly see MR as the next starter, and also as the next Landry Jones. Dewey Haskins has looked terrible in the pros specifically on deep passes. I see the future as a new guy will have to be brought in and MR will play the backup role. I just haven't seen ANY fire from him. Maybe Book, he might work out here.

[Shoes]

And we all know that Mel is always right. Especially in January.

Mel should get a job as a weather man. :lol:

[DesertSteel]

I honestly see MR as the next starter, and also as the next Landry Jones. Dewey Haskins has looked terrible in the pros specifically on deep passes. I see the future as a new guy will have to be brought in and MR will play the backup role. I just haven't seen ANY fire from him. Maybe Book, he might work out here.
I really don't understand your statement. Jones was never a starter.

[Born2Steel]

I really don't understand your statement. Jones was never a starter.

Sorry, that was vague. Meaning I can see MR as the next Steelers starter. I can also see him in the role of #1 backup that's well below starter standards.

[DesertSteel]

Sorry, that was vague. Meaning I can see MR as the next Steelers starter. I can also see him in the role of #1 backup that's well below starter standards.
Yep. The problem is he's a UFA after next year. An ideal scenario would be if Ben is out 4 games due to injury that he comes in and balls out. Then we'd know more about how much he's progressed.

[Six Rings]

So if a Mac Jones does very well, maybe that moves him out of Steelers range?

He's doing very well, and the " media " is picking up on things that I said. Gone are the talking heads saying he doesn't have a good arm. He measured out nicely, including hand size.

At quarterback in the senior bowl week, he's a man among boys and is equally impressive in the IQ, hard working , and leadership part of being a QB.

I don't think he'll last to our pick. He going earlier. Maybe to San Fran, Chicago, or Indy.

[DesertSteel]

the " media " is picking up on things that I said.
That's rich!

[Mojouw]

He's doing very well, and the " media " is picking up on things that I said. Gone are the talking heads saying he doesn't have a good arm. He measured out nicely, including hand size.

At quarterback in the senior bowl week, he's a man among boys and is equally impressive in the IQ, hard working , and leadership part of being a QB.

I don't think he'll last to our pick. He going earlier. Maybe to San Fran, Chicago, or Indy.

Remember when you went away for like a week? That was nice.

As to where the "media" is rating Mac Jones...read better media? I have seen at least two places that have him rated as the best QB in the class. Now, that is likely and over-correction...but still. No one is picking up on your massive insights. There has been a line of argument out there for some time that Jones was/is really good. Just because it took a long time for all the usual suspects to get on board is no big shock.

Most internet draft "scouting" sites just copy and paste their reports from the same general pool of group thinking. Something that should be right up your alley.

[RunNGun]

Imo, our future QB is in next years draft class. Like I said in the "Do we want Ben back" thread, it would have been better if Ben hung them up after the 2020 season. We would have been set up to draft 1 of the top 4 QBs in this class and also had a little more cap space. Everyone called me crazy for thinking like that though...Now we've pushed the rebuilding process back another year and we're 3 or 4 years away from being able to contend again.

[Rotorhead]

Imo, our future QB is in next years draft class. Like I said in the "Do we want Ben back" thread, it would have been better if Ben hung them up after the 2020 season. We would have been set up to draft 1 of the top 4 QBs in this class and also had a little more cap space. Everyone called me crazy for thinking like that though...Now we've pushed the rebuilding process back another year and we're 3 or 4 years away from being able to contend again.

More like 2 years pending a QB, we can rebuild the OL and running game this off season, keep the majority of the Def intact, then we go for our QB the season after, bam, rebuilt in 2 years.

[DesertSteel]

Imo, our future QB is in next years draft class. Like I said in the "Do we want Ben back" thread, it would have been better if Ben hung them up after the 2020 season. We would have been set up to draft 1 of the top 4 QBs in this class and also had a little more cap space. Everyone called me crazy for thinking like that though...Now we've pushed the rebuilding process back another year and we're 3 or 4 years away from being able to contend again.
I'm all for "Stink like a Rat for Rattler."

[BlackAndGold]

We will see how the offseason shakes out with Watson and Stafford being traded, plus draft day to see how many QB's get drafted in the top 8-10. But IF someone like Trey Lance slips out I'd like to see the Steelers get aggressive and try to move up. The Chiefs for example moved up from #27 to #10 in 2017 to draft Mahomes while giving up their 1st, 3rd and 2018 first round pick. I'd assume a deal would look sorta the same, may have to add another pick from 2022.

The first 4 rounds of the draft could still work out like this

1. Lance
2. RB
4. OL/TE/EDGE/WR
4. TE/OL/EDGE/WR

[hawaiiansteeler]

the " media " is picking up on things that I said.

:rofl2:

[86WARD]

He's doing very well, and the " media " is picking up on things that I said.

Yeah...I figured they were catching up to you.

[pczach]

:rofl2:



I can guarantee that the media doesn't give a damn about anything that any of us are saying on a message board!

:toofunny:

[hawaiiansteeler]

I can guarantee that the media doesn't give a damn about anything that any of us are saying on a message board!

:toofunny:

except for Six Rings, of course.

they're only now picking up on things he said because he's so far out ahead of everyone else with his thinking.

[DesertSteel]

Jerrod Goff anyone?

[cubanstogie]

Jerrod Goff anyone?
I root for the kid, I root for most fellow marin county residents except Gavin Newsome. I think he would’ve faired slightly better than Ben in our offense with no running game. Get him a good back with stacked receivers he could manage game well IMO. moves better than Ben at this point and Rudolph. I’d take him over anyone on our roster. obviously without good running game and loss of receivers when they were in SB he struggled though. problem is Haskins was free with no risk, Goff would be more expensive gamble.

[pczach]

Jerrod Goff anyone?



No thank you.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Jerrod Goff anyone?

the Rams would have to give us draft picks to take on his horrendous contract.

[DesertSteel]

No thank you.
Goff has had 2-3 really good years in his short career and has taken his team to the Super Bowl. It's funny how quick we are to shoot down guys like him, as if Ben was still in his prime and we had a top 5 QB. I think Goff has plenty more to offer. I'm not saying he's top 5, but if he plays to potential he is top 10-12.

[Mojouw]

Goff has had 2-3 really good years in his short career and has taken his team to the Super Bowl. It's funny how quick we are to shoot down guys like him, as if Ben was still in his prime and we had a top 5 QB. I think Goff has plenty more to offer. I'm not saying he's top 5, but if he plays to potential he is top 10-12.

McVay is a better offensive mind than anyone on the Steelers staff. He has realized that Goff can not take a team with an amazing defense over the playoff hump. In fact, the Rams brain-trust appears to like an AAF refugee more than Goff.

So...take the puppet (Goff) away from the Puppeteer (McVay) and expect him to do what? Be better? Hold the line? I think a more realistic expectation would be for Goff to continue to regress.

Goff throws a beautiful ball. He really does. He is gritty and emotional. It is just that, according to all available reports, he can not read a defense to save his life and can not flourish outside of structure. So if a defense changes its alignment post snap or the offensive line struggles, Goff falls apart. Since neither of things ever happen in the NFL...he should be fine!

[pczach]

Goff has had 2-3 really good years in his short career and has taken his team to the Super Bowl. It's funny how quick we are to shoot down guys like him, as if Ben was still in his prime and we had a top 5 QB. I think Goff has plenty more to offer. I'm not saying he's top 5, but if he plays to potential he is top 10-12.



The offense he plays in is terrific. McVay's offense schemes people open and his play calling is tremendous. He was also playing with a great defense this year as well. I'm not a believer in Goff and neither are the Rams. There are plays where he should know where to go with the ball, the route combinations create space and the throw is there....and he either misses the throw or he doesn't even make the right play. You can see the frustration in McVay's face sometimes on the sideline from what he is seeing

His contract is huge. I believe Ben is still a better QB than Goff, and I'm not sure he is better than Rudolph or Haskins have a chance to be.

I don't want him, and I've looked at him a ton. He isn't able to carry a team on his back. He has what everyone else wants with the scheme and offensive mind of his head coach and play caller. Everything has to be just right for him to succeed. That's the definition of an average QB at best. Wherever he goes is probably going to be a step down from the standpoint of being put in a position to succeed IMO.

I don't think he is anywhere near a top 10-12 QB based on what I've seen.

[ETL]

Goff gone. Stafford gone.

I wonder if Detroit really will play Goff or use those draft picks to get a young QB. 42 mil is an awful lot for a backup qb

[ETL]

I predict Watson will go to the Jets. Do we want Darnold?

[DesertSteel]

The offense he plays in is terrific. McVay's offense schemes people open and his play calling is tremendous. He was also playing with a great defense this year as well. I'm not a believer in Goff and neither are the Rams. There are plays where he should know where to go with the ball, the route combinations create space and the throw is there....and he either misses the throw or he doesn't even make the right play. You can see the frustration in McVay's face sometimes on the sideline from what he is seeing

His contract is huge. I believe Ben is still a better QB than Goff, and I'm not sure he is better than Rudolph or Haskins have a chance to be.

I don't want him, and I've looked at him a ton. He isn't able to carry a team on his back. He has what everyone else wants with the scheme and offensive mind of his head coach and play caller. Everything has to be just right for him to succeed. That's the definition of an average QB at best. Wherever he goes is probably going to be a step down from the standpoint of being put in a position to succeed IMO.

I don't think he is anywhere near a top 10-12 QB based on what I've seen.
I guess we shall see who wins the divorce -- McVey or Goff.

[86WARD]

Goff can’t read defenses. He never has. He’s only successful when McVay feeds him the defense before the snap.

His contract would be rough to absorb...Lions will have to commit to him being on the roster for the next two seasons but it wouldn’t be shocking if they grabbed a QB in the first round this year and had them sit for two seasons.

Rams aren’t afraid to get rid of picks...lol.

[86WARD]

I predict Watson will go to the Jets. Do we want Darnold?

I wouldn’t. Mentally, Darnold doesn’t look like he has it.

[BlackAndGold]

I predict Watson will go to the Jets. Do we want Darnold?

Or Tua if Watson goes to Miami? (I predict Miami, due to the draft capital they own)

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Draft Mac Jones even if you have to move up a bit. QB'S Matter just look at the Stafford trade. Get him and we are good for years.

[pczach]

I guess we shall see who wins the divorce -- McVey or Goff.


There are no absolutes as to who is correct.

Both men will be judged based on what they do away from each other.

[W&M_Steeler]

I predict Watson will go to the Jets. Do we want Darnold?

Maybe on a Haskins or Lynch type deal.

[86WARD]

Draft Mac Jones even if you have to move up a bit. QB'S Matter just look at the Stafford trade. Get him and we are good for years.

Do they have enough to get up to 14?

[Born2Steel]

The future QB of the Steelers is....not going to be Stafford or Goff.

[ETL]

Stafford said “I’ll go anywhere except New England”

he just became one of my favorite players in the NFL

[st33lersguy]

Stafford said “I’ll go anywhere except New England”

he just became one of my favorite players in the NFL

I think it's because Patricia was rehired by the Cheats and he doesn't want to be with him anymore

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Do they have enough to get up to 14? Who do you think is taking him at 15 the Pats ? Would be extra special to move up then and screw them. Anyways a 3rd and a 5 should get it done. We have extra comp picks so they could get it done if they like him that much.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Who do you think is taking him at 15 the Pats ? Would be extra special to move up then and screw them. Anyways a 3rd and a 5 should get it done. We have extra comp picks so they could get it done if they like him that much.

we don't even have a 5th round selection this year. even if we did, a 3rd and a 5th only gets us to #18.

we would need to trade our first and second round picks to get to #14.

[DesertSteel]

we don't even have a 5th round selection this year. even if we did, a 3rd and a 5th only gets us to #18.

we would need to trade our first and second round picks to get to #14.
If he was a QB that the team was sold on, it would be worth throwing in the 2 to move up.

[86WARD]

Who do you think is taking him at 15 the Pats ? Would be extra special to move up then and screw them. Anyways a 3rd and a 5 should get it done. We have extra comp picks so they could get it done if they like him that much.

Lots of chatter that the Patriots would be the ones to grab him.

[hawaiiansteeler]

If he was a QB that the team was sold on, it would be worth throwing in the 2 to move up.

:iagree:

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Lots of chatter that the Patriots would be the ones to grab him. Wonder if they will make a play for Watson soon though ?

[86WARD]

Wonder if they will make a play for Watson soon though ?

I don’t think Watson wants to go there?

[Shoes]

Wonder if they will make a play for Watson soon though ?

I think its safe to say no.

[86WARD]

I don’t think Watson wants to go there?

Actually, that’s Stafford that didn’t want New England.

I don’t think New England has the “inventory” to compete with the Jets, Dolphins and even Colts maybe?

[DesertSteel]

I'd be good with giving up four 1st round picks for Watson.

[86WARD]

I'd be good with giving up four 1st round picks for Watson.

I would give up 4 if they took Ben/his contract and threw in someone like JJ Watt or Keke Coutee.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Are the Steelers really in the market for a quarterback in the first round?

Ed Bouchette of the athletic sparked at rumor which the Steelers may be looking to draft a quarterback early in the 2021 NFL Draft

By Michael_Beck@MichaelBeck56 Feb 3, 2021

Rumors surrounding the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback position will be constant until a few major questions are answered.

First, will Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers come to terms on a salary reducing extension?

Second, what are the Steelers plans to replace Ben Roethlisberger in the future.

Now it is possible for these questions to be answered as early as the conclusion of the 2021 NFL Draft. It’s also possible that one of these questions drags on into the 2022 offseason. However, Ed Bouchette of The Athletic suggests the former is definitely in play, and the Steelers may be eyeing a quarterback in the first round of the upcoming draft.

If the Steelers do in fact decide to go quarterback in the draft, they will have three real avenues to go about it. The following are the most likely scenarios:

No. 1 - They stay at 24 and draft Alabama’s Mac Jones.

No. 2 - They wait to select Florida’s Kyle Trask in the second round.

No. 3 - They trade up into the first round for North Dakota state’s Trey Lance..

to read rest of article:

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/2/3/22263638/are-the-steelers-really-in-the-market-for-a-quarterback-in-the-first-round-pittsburgh-lance-jones-qb

[Mojouw]

I actually like the plan that is in the linked article. QB room of Old Man Ben, Trey Lance, and Haskins? Why not? WORST case scenario you have a lost season and pick top 12 in 2022.

[DesertSteel]

Aaron Rodgers was once being discussed as the #1 overall pick, right up till draft day and he fell to #24. It's too early to say who will be gone and who will be there. There are 5 guys with R1 talent and I think one will be there at #24. All I can say for sure is that it won't be Lawrence.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Aaron Rodgers was once being discussed as the #1 overall pick, right up till draft day and he fell to #24. It's too early to say who will be gone and who will be there. There are 5 guys with R1 talent and I think one will be there at #24. All I can say for sure is that it won't be Lawrence.

or Zach Wilson and Justin Fields.

[DesertSteel]

or Zach Wilson and Justin Fields.
I can't say that, especially using the Rodgers comparison. Fields could drop.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Arch Manning

[teegre]

If Zach Wilson starts to drop out of the top ten, I trade up as faster than Ian Rapoport tweeting out a false report.

[BlackAndGold]

From some of the draft rumors I've read, good luck with the top 4 QB's falling out of the top 8.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

I want Mac Jones but hope the Steelers give up on Task and think he will be no better then Rudolph and seen enough of him this season.

[BlackAndGold]

We will never know how true the statement was but they had a round 1 grade on Rudolph, so any QB they look at will need to be graded much higher for them to draft. I don't see Jones or Trask being that. Hell, I may be wrong but they may not even grade Trey Lance higher due to his lack of experience(something they clearly value)

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

We will never know how true the statement was but they had a round 1 grade on Rudolph, so any QB they look at will need to be graded much higher for them to draft. I don't see Jones or Trask being that. Hell, I may be wrong but they may not even grade Trey Lance higher due to his lack of experience(something they clearly value) I think Mac Jones is the real deal, Task is and will be no better then Rudolph and like Rudolph better. I bet all season and seen enough of Task and not a fan. Reminds me of a younger version of Rudolph. If he actually has anything at pro level he is a project.

[BlackAndGold]

I think Mac Jones is the real deal, Task is and will be no better then Rudolph and like Rudolph better. I bet all season and seen enough of Task and not a fan. Reminds me of a younger version of Rudolph. If he actually has anything at pro level he is a project.

Mac Jones did impress during the Senior Bowl so who knows. Agreed with Trask, noodle arm.

Personally, I don't see a QB being drafted by the Steelers. We'll see in 22'

[teegre]

Ed Bullchette says that the Steelers are showing quite a bit of interest in Kyle Trask.

Terry Bradshaw says that he thinks that the Steelers should trade for Deshaun Watson.

[Mojouw]

Ed Bullchette says that the Steelers are showing quite a bit of interest in Kyle Trask.

Terry Bradshaw says that he thinks that the Steelers should trade for Deshaun Watson.

All we need is a Mark Madden tweet saying to trade for Carson Wnetz and we will have a trio of wise-men.

[DesertSteel]

Ed Bullchette says that the Steelers are showing quite a bit of interest in Kyle Trask.

Terry Bradshaw says that he thinks that the Steelers should trade for Deshaun Watson.
Other than being a cranky old man, I like Ed's work most of the time.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Ben ranked 20th:

QB Index: Ranking the 59 starting quarterbacks of the 2020 NFL season

https://www.nfl.com/news/qb-index-ranking-the-59-starting-quarterbacks-of-the-2020-nfl-season

[DesertSteel]

Ben ranked 20th:

QB Index: Ranking the 59 starting quarterbacks of the 2020 NFL season

https://www.nfl.com/news/qb-index-ranking-the-59-starting-quarterbacks-of-the-2020-nfl-season

Rivers and Brees are retiring and I’d put Mayfield much lower. But 20th seems about right for Ben.

[hawaiiansteeler]

2021 NFL Draft Player Profiles: Alabama QB Mac Jones

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/02/2021-nfl-draft-player-profiles-alabama-qb-mac-jones/

[Mojouw]

Everytime I read about Jones or Trask...I can not figure out how they are significantly different than Rudolph. Jones maybe processes faster, but he certainly isn't a superior athlete. Trask looks like someone cloned Rudolph and put him on the Gators.

[Rotorhead]

Ben is due what $22m guaranteed, so if he agrees to come back for somewhere around there then there is no reason not to keep him, we are out that money either way.

[Born2Steel]

Everytime I read about Jones or Trask...I can not figure out how they are significantly different than Rudolph. Jones maybe processes faster, but he certainly isn't a superior athlete. Trask looks like someone cloned Rudolph and put him on the Gators.

The difference for me between Rudolph and Trask is just by watching them post snap. Highlights or game tape. Rudolph starts one direction, right or left, and stays to that direction. That tells me he is reading only a half field read which is very common in college offenses. When you watch Trask you see him read right to left or left to right. This tells me he is ahead of where Rudolph came into the league already. And I think Trask has much better pocket awareness and is more accurate with his throws. I was not a big fan of MR when he was drafted and nothing he has done has elevated that opinion. I was not a big fan of Trask but I have come to think of him as a talented prospect now. I don't know how significant those opinions are but there it is.

Here is an article sort of saying what I think a huge difference is also.
https://stillcurtain.com/2020/12/16/3-reasons-steelers-select-kyle-trask/3/

[ETL]

I hope Ben retires. If not then he should get cut. Even Peyton Manning was cut so it is not about Ben’s greatness. It’s just about what is the right thing to do for this team at this time.

[Mojouw]

The difference for me between Rudolph and Trask is just by watching them post snap. Highlights or game tape. Rudolph starts one direction, right or left, and stays to that direction. That tells me he is reading only a half field read which is very common in college offenses. When you watch Trask you see him read right to left or left to right. This tells me he is ahead of where Rudolph came into the league already. And I think Trask has much better pocket awareness and is more accurate with his throws. I was not a big fan of MR when he was drafted and nothing he has done has elevated that opinion. I was not a big fan of Trask but I have come to think of him as a talented prospect now. I don't know how significant those opinions are but there it is.

Here is an article sort of saying what I think a huge difference is also.
https://stillcurtain.com/2020/12/16/3-reasons-steelers-select-kyle-trask/3/

Those are all solid and well thought out opinions. I guess I just don't see it. Or I do see it, and don't think it will matter. I just worry that Trask is the kinda guy who won't be able to drive the ball from a muddled NFL pocket to the far sideline and all that traditional concerns about arm strength....but there are plenty of guys that have developed ways to overcome that. No reason that Trask can not as well.

I guess it comes down to when you would have to draft him. Say they were able to draft Trask around the same spot they selected Rudolph...then all aboard. Take the shot. But at 24th overall? I just don't see it.

But I am consistently wrong about QBs. I really thought Herbert was gonna suck. I really thought Rosen was gonna be good. So what the heck do I know?

[Born2Steel]

Those are all solid and well thought out opinions. I guess I just don't see it. Or I do see it, and don't think it will matter. I just worry that Trask is the kinda guy who won't be able to drive the ball from a muddled NFL pocket to the far sideline and all that traditional concerns about arm strength....but there are plenty of guys that have developed ways to overcome that. No reason that Trask can not as well.

I guess it comes down to when you would have to draft him. Say they were able to draft Trask around the same spot they selected Rudolph...then all aboard. Take the shot. But at 24th overall? I just don't see it.

But I am consistently wrong about QBs. I really thought Herbert was gonna suck. I really thought Rosen was gonna be good. So what the heck do I know?

I don't expect to see a QB drafted at all. I was just answering the differences between Trask and Rudolph, at least from my opinion. I don't feel anymore comfortable weeding out the QB crop than you. I still think Darnold is salvageable. Eventually I will get one right.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Trask is Fool Gold Imo and hope the Steelers stay away. I'd sooner go with Rudolph if it comes to it. He reminds me to much of Rudolph as well.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I don't expect to see a QB drafted at all.

unless Ben doesn't return (which I think he will) I don't expect us to draft a QB either.

[ETL]

I’m warming up to Rudolph and using all our draft assets to get help for the OL and future depth. Also having Rudolph as qb is relatively cheap in a cap strapped year

[Shoes]

I don't think the Steelers will draft a QB even if Ben retires (which I hope he does) IMO Ben should follow Pouncey's lead. I think they will ride out the season with Mason and Haskins, tweak the other positions of need and concentrate on a QB for next season depending on how Mason/Haskins do. Never know they may turn into a great #1&#2. Now if a top 5-10 QB falls to 24 that might change things.

[86WARD]

If Ben is serious about helping the team, it’s not hard to get him to a manageable number.

Basically turn the March roster bonus into a signing bonus, extend the contract two more seasons, that bring his 2021 number from $19M down to $9M. The next two seasons make it guaranteed and then it’s much much more manageable. Who knows, if he plays lights out in 2021 behind a better O-Line, then you keep him one more year. I’m not sure the $22+M gets shifted around as well but if it does, even better.

[Rotorhead]

Well, we are paying the guaranteed $$ for Ben whether he plays or not, may as well play him if he will take that cut.

[ETL]

The more I think of it - Sidney Crosby as QB for this year seems to be the smart move

[Hawkman]

The more I think of it - Sidney Crosby as QB for this year seems to be the smart move

You had fun with that.....didn’t you?:heh:

[hawaiiansteeler]

No QBs drafted in first round from 2009-16 are set to be on original team in 2021

Posted by Josh Alper on February 18, 2021

There were 22 quarterbacks drafted in the first round between the 2009 and 2016 seasons and all of them came with hopes that they’d lead their teams for years to come.

Some of those players had extended runs with their original teams, but, as Field Yates of ESPN notes, none of them are expected to be with the team that drafted them when the 2021 season gets underway. Carson Wentz was the last of the 22 set to be with the same team, but Thursday’s word that the Colts and Eagles have agreed on a trade means it will be a clean sweep as long as that trade and the Matthew Stafford–Jared Goff swap go through as planned.

Stafford was the first overall pick in 2009 and had the longest run with his original team. The full list of the quarterbacks is below:

2009: Stafford, Lions; Mark Sanchez, Jets; Josh Freeman, Buccaneers.

2010: Sam Bradford, Rams; Tim Tebow, Broncos.

2011: Cam Newton, Panthers; Jake Locker, Titans; Blaine Gabbert, Jaguars; Christian Ponder, Vikings.

2012: Andrew Luck, Colts; Robert Griffin III, Washington; Ryan Tannehill, Dolphins; Brandon Weeden, Browns.

2013: EJ Manuel, Bills.

2014: Blake Bortles, Jaguars; Johnny Manziel, Browns; Teddy Bridgewater, Vikings.

2015: Jameis Winston, Buccaneers; Marcus Mariota, Titans.

2016: Goff, Rams; Wentz, Eagles; Paxton Lynch, Broncos.

to read rest of article:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/18/no-qbs-drafted-from-2009-16-are-set-to-be-with-team-that-drafted-them/

[teegre]

Colbert’s words (or lack thereof) tell me that the Steelers are prepared to move on without Ben.

[Born2Steel]

If....the Steelers either let Ben finish his contract(renegotiated) or go with MR in 2021, either way. I really like D'Eriq King from Miami in the 2022 draft. My first player/prospect profile was on King but then he decided to return to school for another year. Maybe that's a good thing.

How many teams are going QB this year's 1st/2nd rounds? Jags, Jets, and Phins got 2 firsts each and all before the Steelers pick I think. It is much speculated the Jags and Jets will, and that the Dolphins aren't 'in love' with Tua, so maybe 3 right there? Then there's the Falcons at 4, Eagles at 6, Panthers at 8, Broncos at 9, Cowboys at 10(any word on Dak yet?), 49ers at 12(several mocks have a QB here), Patriots at 15, Raiders at 17?, WFT at 19, Bears at 20, and the Saints pick at 28(only 3 total picks this draft). So you can see it's quite a gauntlet if you want a highly touted QB this draft. I could see 9 or 10 off the board by the time the Steelers pick at 55.

- - - Updated - - -

If....the Steelers either let Ben finish his contract(renegotiated) or go with MR in 2021, either way. I really like D'Eriq King from Miami in the 2022 draft. My first player/prospect profile was on King but then he decided to return to school for another year. Maybe that's a good thing.

How many teams are going QB this year's 1st/2nd rounds? Jags, Jets, and Phins got 2 firsts each and all before the Steelers pick I think. It is much speculated the Jags and Jets will, and that the Dolphins aren't 'in love' with Tua, so maybe 3 right there? Then there's the Falcons at 4, Eagles at 6, Panthers at 8, Broncos at 9, Cowboys at 10(any word on Dak yet?), 49ers at 12(several mocks have a QB here), Patriots at 15, Raiders at 17?, WFT at 19, Bears at 20, and the Saints pick at 28(only 3 total picks this draft). So you can see it's quite a gauntlet if you want a highly touted QB this draft. I could see 9 or 10 off the board by the time the Steelers pick at 55.

[teegre]

If we are going for a QB in 2022, give me:

Spence Rattler, Oklahoma

[Rotorhead]

No QBs drafted in first round from 2009-16 are set to be on original team in 2021

Posted by Josh Alper on February 18, 2021

There were 22 quarterbacks drafted in the first round between the 2009 and 2016 seasons and all of them came with hopes that they’d lead their teams for years to come.

Some of those players had extended runs with their original teams, but, as Field Yates of ESPN notes, none of them are expected to be with the team that drafted them when the 2021 season gets underway. Carson Wentz was the last of the 22 set to be with the same team, but Thursday’s word that the Colts and Eagles have agreed on a trade means it will be a clean sweep as long as that trade and the Matthew Stafford–Jared Goff swap go through as planned.

Stafford was the first overall pick in 2009 and had the longest run with his original team. The full list of the quarterbacks is below:

2009: Stafford, Lions; Mark Sanchez, Jets; Josh Freeman, Buccaneers.

2010: Sam Bradford, Rams; Tim Tebow, Broncos.

2011: Cam Newton, Panthers; Jake Locker, Titans; Blaine Gabbert, Jaguars; Christian Ponder, Vikings.

2012: Andrew Luck, Colts; Robert Griffin III, Washington; Ryan Tannehill, Dolphins; Brandon Weeden, Browns.

2013: EJ Manuel, Bills.

2014: Blake Bortles, Jaguars; Johnny Manziel, Browns; Teddy Bridgewater, Vikings.

2015: Jameis Winston, Buccaneers; Marcus Mariota, Titans.

2016: Goff, Rams; Wentz, Eagles; Paxton Lynch, Broncos.

to read rest of article:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/18/no-qbs-drafted-from-2009-16-are-set-to-be-with-team-that-drafted-them/

Wow, that is a pathetic list of QB picks right there

[Mojouw]

The future "franchise" QB of the Steelers may still be in high school. They are going to far around for a few years after Ben retires trying on various re-treads and cast-offs in order to "do enough to win".

There has been a clear path recently laid out in the NFL for when you don't have a high end QB. Raze the franchise to the studs, acquire assets, and then build out again. That usually means one to three ugly seasons while you get everything in place. Does that sound like the Steelers?

I figure they wander in the 7-9 to 9-7 wilderness for a handful of seasons like they did for most of post Bradshaw and pre Ben time. I suspect that it will look a lot like the Patriots last year or the Dolphins under Fitzpatrick. Just good enough to think you have a bit of shot and just bad enough to not really pull it off.

2021 - Ben
2022 - Haskins/Rudolph/Random Dude compete
2023 - The 5th ranked QB of the draft class is brought in to compete with whoever wins from 2022
2024 - A mid-tier FA is brought in to push the "developing" young QB
2025 - Another high draft pick on a QB...but not quite high enough....

[86WARD]

Ben seems to be all about playing this season, so he says. But in reality, is Ben gonna want to play without his center, without his OC, in a new offense, without his best Buddy at TE, without his most dependable WR, without some key pieces to a defense?

I think he’s saying he wants to play but is he saying this in a reality where he thinks all “his guys” are gonna be there with him??

[Born2Steel]

Ben seems to be all about playing this season, so he says. But in reality, is Ben gonna want to play without his center, without his OC, in a new offense, without his best Buddy at TE, without his most dependable WR, without some key pieces to a defense?

I think he’s saying he wants to play but is he saying this in a reality where he thinks all “his guys” are gonna be there with him??

The 'goal posts' keep moving. That's why this is such an important decision. 'What if' all these changes make Ben instead say screw it, I'm getting my money! And this forces a cut? How does this benefit? The best option is for Ben to play and a restructure get done so he plays on the restructure, or a 'Drew Brees' deal gets done so he retires but the team doesn't get hit with the full bill due.

[pczach]

Ben seems to be all about playing this season, so he says. But in reality, is Ben gonna want to play without his center, without his OC, in a new offense, without his best Buddy at TE, without his most dependable WR, without some key pieces to a defense?

I think he’s saying he wants to play but is he saying this in a reality where he thinks all “his guys” are gonna be there with him??



I think Ben misses his friend Pouncey being on the team, but he has to be sick of picking up the low snaps or watch one occasionally sail by him. He's his buddy, but Ben still wants to play football. I think he is fine playing without Pouncey.

He already played this past year without McDonald, so I think he's good with that too.

I think Ben would like nothing better than to get some physical offensive linemen to start knocking people around, and a young TE that can help the running game AND the passing game.

Players generally want to play as long as they can. As long as he wants to play, he'll play with whoever is there IMO.

Learning a new offense could be the biggest deterrent to coming back if he only plans on playing one season.

[ETL]

I don’t see how it is better for the Steelers for Ben to play just because of a contract. We will have to pay $22 mil if we cut him and pay him more if he plays. I personally think it is disrespectful to have him be the “backup” just because he is willing to take a low amount. He needs to see reality. We can’t win a SB with him. He is hurting the team by retarding their ability to see if MR can be a real QB or not. We need next year to find out to see he is legit or not. Delaying another year means that our defense is another year older.

Ben should have seen how Ward and Troy tried to cling on. Ben - you’re rich - enjoy your family.

[teegre]

Two words: sunk cost

[DesertSteel]

... Patrick Mahomes. I just need to figure out a way to make it happen...

[pczach]

... Patrick Mahomes. I just need to figure out a way to make it happen...



Make it happen. :sofunny:

Of course, if our quarterback only put up 9 points in the Super Bowl, everyone would be looking to get rid of him.