The Future QB of the Steelers is...

[86WARD]

A-Aron

[Shoes]

Anyone still think Haskin is going to take the #2 spot? :chuckle:

Steelers better start thinking of drafting a QB next draft.

[Mojouw]

Anyone still think Haskin is going to take the #2 spot? :chuckle:

Steelers better start thinking of drafting a QB next draft.
I actually do think he can. But not this year. There was no realistic way to "fix" what was wrong with Haskins in one training camp. He is still young enough that he has a really high potential ceiling...but he has to get his head right. And that is a tricky thing. Never know how it will go...

[Shoes]

I actually do think he can. But not this year. There was no realistic way to "fix" what was wrong with Haskins in one training camp. He is still young enough that he has a really high potential ceiling...but he has to get his head right. And that is a tricky thing. Never know how it will go...

The talent isn't the issue, that's what concerns me. Steve Smith Sr. mentioned this in the game last night. I mean his arm strength is amazing, he just flicks the ball like a rocket for 35 yards. I would love to see the Steelers turn this guy into a #1, but I don't know. I'd still draft a QB next year depending on Bens health/play/retirement.

[Rotorhead]

The talent isn't the issue, that's what concerns me. Steve Smith Sr. mentioned this in the game last night. I mean his arm strength is amazing, he just flicks the ball like a rocket for 35 yards. I would love to see the Steelers turn this guy into a #1, but I don't know. I'd still draft a QB next year depending on Bens health/play/retirement.

Steve Smith said a lot last night, most of it was ridiculously dumb . . . Just sayin

[DesertSteel]

The Steelers should have traded Rudolph for Minshew. He was had by the Eagles for a 6. At the least, he's a bridge QB.

20 games (7-13); 37/11 TD/Int; 63%; 5530 yards; 93.1 Passer Rating

[HollywoodSteel]

The Steelers should have traded Rudolph for Minshew. He was had by the Eagles for a 6. At the least, he's a bridge QB.

20 games (7-13); 37/11 TD/Int; 63%; 5530 yards; 93.1 Passer Rating

I agree that Minshew is better than Rudolph and can be a competent QB.

I thought Colin Cowherd made a good point in comparing him to Baker Mayfield. They’re pretty much the same guy.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1932346947927

[DesertSteel]

I agree that Minshew is better than Rudolph and can be a competent QB.

I thought Colin Cowherd made a good point in comparing him to Baker Mayfield. They’re pretty much the same guy.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1932346947927Yeah I was in the car when he discussed that. True story. With Gamepass I watch a lot of condensed games. Most weeks, all of them at least in part. Minshew is a good QB.

[EzraTank]

A-AronThis has always been my choice. If Aaron can play 2-3 more years I say go for it. He would inherit 2nd year RB & TE studs, 3 great receivers and a legit defense.

[Rotorhead]

The Steelers should have traded Rudolph for Minshew. He was had by the Eagles for a 6. At the least, he's a bridge QB.

20 games (7-13); 37/11 TD/Int; 63%; 5530 yards; 93.1 Passer Rating

Pretty good stats considering what he had to work with. Wonder what he would have done with some actual weapons and a competent coaching staff.

[86WARD]

I actually do think he can. But not this year. There was no realistic way to "fix" what was wrong with Haskins in one training camp. He is still young enough that he has a really high potential ceiling...but he has to get his head right. And that is a tricky thing. Never know how it will go...

What has he done to warrant a really high potential ceiling. At some point during his stint with the Redskins and now a little time with the Steelers, there would have been something that showed that potential. He’s only thrown over 300 yards once and over 250 yards 3 times. Is that the high ceiling potential? I mean we could probably, as a group, find a dozen or so other high ceiling potential if that’s what this is based off of.

[86WARD]

The Steelers should have traded Rudolph for Minshew. He was had by the Eagles for a 6. At the least, he's a bridge QB.

20 games (7-13); 37/11 TD/Int; 63%; 5530 yards; 93.1 Passer Rating

Dobbs for Minshew.

[Mojouw]

What has he done to warrant a really high potential ceiling. At some point during his stint with the Redskins and now a little time with the Steelers, there would have been something that showed that potential. He’s only thrown over 300 yards once and over 250 yards 3 times. Is that the high ceiling potential? I mean we could probably, as a group, find a dozen or so other high ceiling potential if that’s what this is based off of.

Of course you can. Take the physical tools of Haskins and compare them to Duck Hodges. It isn't even close. There isn't a throw on the field that Haskins doesn't have the physical ability to make. There are a few that Hodges was never going to make. That is a high ceiling.

Haskins, like many before him (Paxton Lynch, Dennis Dixon, etc) needs to marry a mental component to the physical tools. If he can harness his abilities...he's got an incredible ceiling. TO date, he has shown very little ability to do that at an NFL level. But for what he costs the Steelers (a bit of cap space and Josh Dobbs' roster spot), I think they should take a year and see what they can see.

[86WARD]

Of course you can. Take the physical tools of Haskins and compare them to Duck Hodges. It isn't even close. There isn't a throw on the field that Haskins doesn't have the physical ability to make. There are a few that Hodges was never going to make. That is a high ceiling.

Haskins, like many before him (Paxton Lynch, Dennis Dixon, etc) needs to marry a mental component to the physical tools. If he can harness his abilities...he's got an incredible ceiling. TO date, he has shown very little ability to do that at an NFL level. But for what he costs the Steelers (a bit of cap space and Josh Dobbs' roster spot), I think they should take a year and see what they can see.

I would disagree or maybe my definition of high ceiling is different. I’ve seen a lot of throws that Haskins has missed and a lot of mental errors Haskins has made. I’m not convinced he has the ability to straighten out his mental toughness or football knowledge and not convinced he can make all the throws accurately. To me, he has an extremely low floor (below Josh Dobbs’ floor) and the ceiling has dropped to average to below average at best at this point. He’s shown nothing to warrant a “high ceiling” and he’s had plenty of opportunities. I mean at some point, you’d have to have seen a flash or more of that potential but with all the opportunities he’s had, we’ve seen on 300+ game and not really anything with the Steelers. Granted, time with Pittsburgh has been short, but even Dobbs has flashed a tiny bit of potential against starting line ups. Not saying Dobbs is better, but he’s shown something against starters.

[HollywoodSteel]

I would disagree or maybe my definition of high ceiling is different. I’ve seen a lot of throws that Haskins has missed and a lot of mental errors Haskins has made. I’m not convinced he has the ability to straighten out his mental toughness or football knowledge and not convinced he can make all the throws accurately. To me, he has an extremely low floor (below Josh Dobbs’ floor) and the ceiling has dropped to average to below average at best at this point. He’s shown nothing to warrant a “high ceiling” and he’s had plenty of opportunities. I mean at some point, you’d have to have seen a flash or more of that potential but with all the opportunities he’s had, we’ve seen on 300+ game and not really anything with the Steelers. Granted, time with Pittsburgh has been short, but even Dobbs has flashed a tiny bit of potential against starting line ups. Not saying Dobbs is better, but he’s shown something against starters.

I think what most of mean by ceiling involves the physical, because that is easier to evaluate than a mental ceiling.

Everything you are saying about Haskins was said about Bud Dupree. Some guys work hard and hit the physical ceiling, some guys don’t.

Now I understand that QB is a unique position that has so many mental variables to it that it can never be an apples to apples comparison with another position. All I’m saying is we don’t have any idea what Haskins’s mental ceiling is. But it’s probably a low enough investment on our part at this point to develop him for another year and see what happens.

[cubanstogie]

neither Dobbs nor Haskins is going to step in and be dependable at this point, maybe ever. But I have zero problem with a budget contract Haskins learning for a year under Ben and possibly although slight chance something clicks for him. If not bye bye next year and draft a guy. See what Rudolph can do over a year. Let’s face it after Ben there will be a rebuild, although I’ve read Steelers don’t have rebuilding years. Dobbs offers nothing IMO. If Ben relying on him he has his own problems.

[HollywoodSteel]

A-Aron

Too bad the Rooneys are too cheap. ;)

[86WARD]

I think what most of mean by ceiling involves the physical, because that is easier to evaluate than a mental ceiling.

Everything you are saying about Haskins was said about Bud Dupree. Some guys work hard and hit the physical ceiling, some guys don’t.

Now I understand that QB is a unique position that has so many mental variables to it that it can never be an apples to apples comparison with another position. All I’m saying is we don’t have any idea what Haskins’s mental ceiling is. But it’s probably a low enough investment on our part at this point to develop him for another year and see what happens.

It’s definitely an investment worth seeing out but I’m not convinced that the ceiling is as high as people want it to be. To me, there just hasn’t been any signs that it is as high as what’s been thrown around. There’s a lot of guys in the league that have physical tools and the ceiling isn’t high. If he was a 3rd-4th round pick would the ceiling still be as high?

Dupree showed some flashes every now and again and always showed he could get into the backfield, one of his main problems early on was he couldn’t finish or he wound up too far into the back field. I’m not seeing that type of thing from Haskins. Not against good competition. I’d love to see it, I’m not a hater of Haskins...I just don’t understand all the “high ceilings” and “potential” talk.

[Born2Steel]

Of course you can. Take the physical tools of Haskins and compare them to Duck Hodges. It isn't even close. There isn't a throw on the field that Haskins doesn't have the physical ability to make. There are a few that Hodges was never going to make. That is a high ceiling.

Haskins, like many before him (Paxton Lynch, Dennis Dixon, etc) needs to marry a mental component to the physical tools. If he can harness his abilities...he's got an incredible ceiling. TO date, he has shown very little ability to do that at an NFL level. But for what he costs the Steelers (a bit of cap space and Josh Dobbs' roster spot), I think they should take a year and see what they can see.

I see exactly what you're saying here. I have looked at the physical ability aspect, the un-taught ability to throw a football through a wall/run at super-speed/BarrySanders-esque agility/etc...as a players floor. This is what they bring all on their own for the most part. The 'ceiling' becomes the mental aspect and ability to learn the game. I thought Duck had a lower floor to start with so even though he had an equivalent ceiling he still wasn't starter good enough. Haskins, Lynch, Dixon that you mentioned all have a much higher floor than Duck, much higher. Time will tell if Haskins can learn the game well enough and in time. This has always been my problem with Rudolph as well. Not that he isn't physically gifted, just that he doesn't see the field and has terrible pocket awareness. IMO, if Rudolph has shown enough to warrant an extension, Haskins has shown enough to make the 53 this season. But neither look like the future of the franchise, which is the depressing part.

[Edman]

It's the eternal dilemma. Go with the sure thing, knowing what your getting, or do you roll the dice on a physically gifted player with the high ceiling but is a headcase?

Say whatever you want about Mason Rudolph and his ability, but one thing that cannot be denied is that the guy is tough mentally. If he had Haskins' raw talent then he'd be perfect.

[teegre]

Josh Allen before working on his feet: BUST!!!

Josh Allen after figuring out his footwork: MVP candidate

SUMMATION:
Haskins could improve vastly with improved footwork.

[Born2Steel]

Josh Allen before working on his feet: BUST!!!

Josh Allen after figuring out his footwork: MVP candidate

SUMMATION:
Haskins could improve vastly with improved footwork.

Examples of what you're talking about here. This first clip is pre-draft Haskins going over a couple successful plays and explaining what he sees and feels, and how down and distance effects how he plays defenders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWZDdkPkLXY

This second one is Baldinger breaking down Haskins' first NFL action vs the Giants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM1pWtnSza4

This last film breaks down Haskins' last game with Washington.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsIMP5ifunE

IMO, what you get to see in these 3 films is talent vs mechanics. Haskins shows he understands the defenses, the game flow, and knows what he wants to do on plays. The problems are mentally indecisive and poor foot mechanics. Can this be blamed on the difference in the pro game vs the college game? Haskins relying too much on arm strength over mechanics? Poor QB development? Or an inability to progress as a player to the pro level? Combination? I guess time will tell.

[Born2Steel]

https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/6/19/21296677/samuel-golds-film-room-how-dwayne-haskins-jr-drastically-improved-during-his-rookie-season-redskins

Another very interesting video. This one breaking down Haskins' progress over his rookie season under Jay Gruden.

[HollywoodSteel]

I think at this point there’s no doubt Haskins will make the team as the #3 QB. But let’s say he sees no regular season action this year - as we hope he doesn’t. How do we make any type of evaluation going into the offseason? There’s no way he’s the starting QB for the Steelers in 2022, or at least that can’t be the plan. Maybe a full season sitting behind Ben and Rudolph will give him enough growth to resign him, but I’m not sure how the coaches will make that determination if he never sees the field.

I guess I’m asking, how will we know if he’s gotten any closer to his ceiling going into next offseason?

[86WARD]

Just in the first half of the game he had trouble throwing 5 yards to his right. Three passes either were off target, wobbled or didn’t have enough on them. I think, if I remember correctly, there was only one pass that should have been caught.

I would’ve expected a much better showing than what occurred on Friday...maybe he gets better over time...but I still wouldn’t say, at this stage, he has a high ceiling.

The game as a whole was a pretty terrible effort.

[Steeler-in-west]

We’ll only know if he’s gotten any better if he gets a chance to play in the regular season (and we really don’t want that)

[dislocatedday]

I just think it is so hard to determine what combination of factors are going to make a successful, "Franchise" QB at the NFL level. I know people tend to say someone has a high-ceiling when they have a strong arm that can technically make all kinds of throws, but there is obviously so much more to playing QB than that. Jamarcus Russel had a strong arm, but everything else about his game sucked at the NFL level.

I don't profess to be an expert at evaluating QBs, but I think you need a certain level of arm strength, and then from there you need a guy that is also accurate, can handle the pass rush and pressure, can process the plays and his reads quickly, and is mentally tough to not let adversity and turnovers affect him. Guys that do not develop and posses or acquire those traits sufficiently do not become QBs a team can depend on week in and week out.

[DesertSteel]

I know that everyone always points to the dark years between Bradshaw and Ben, but quarterbacks are coming out of college these days way more ready for the NFL than ever. Look around the league and note how many up and coming stars there are. Sure there are misses, and will continue to be. But teams are also moving on from mistakes after 2-3 years (e.g., Cardinals, Jets) and sometimes getting it right the next time. This franchise is ready in 2022 with the talent to help a young QB win early.

[steelreserve]

I know that everyone always points to the dark years between Bradshaw and Ben, but quarterbacks are coming out of college these days way more ready for the NFL than ever. Look around the league and note how many up and coming stars there are. Sure there are misses, and will continue to be. But teams are also moving on from mistakes after 2-3 years (e.g., Cardinals, Jets) and sometimes getting it right the next time. This franchise is ready in 2022 with the talent to help a young QB win early.

The reason why we didn't have a good QB between Bradshaw and Ben is because we farted around with QBs in the third round, fifth round, random optimistic free-agent signings ... it just wasn't a huge priority. If they are serious about finding a new QB, they'll at least have someone serviceable within a few years. As you say, there are a lot of good pro prospects coming out these days.

The one thing I hope we avoid is the ever-present "incredible raw talent, needs coaching" prospect, because those are the ones that fail a lot, and we are especially good at fucking those picks up.

[Edman]

If the Steelers go through another long QB drought like 1983-2004, then it is their own damn fault, and not anything to do with the quarterbacks themselves.

This isn't 1980 anymore where you have sift through crap to find a journeyman game manager with a power running game. There is a lot more talent out there at QB and Quarterback development has changed and evolved a lot since then. There is much greater awareness of the Quarterback position. If they can't find their guy after Ben, then that is organizational and coaching ineptitude. There are many different types of QB's. Pocket passers, Dual threats, Gunslingers, Mobile QB's, Vick clones that can fit in any kind of offense. Even a Kordell-like player can thrive better today with the new RPO offenses.

There is absolutely no excuse to go through another drought, or at least unable to find a serviceable bridge guy.

[Steeler-in-west]

Even a first round rookie is going to need 2-3 years to get it together, we should take advantage of our defense while it’s still tops - Heyward for instance is 32. O line will be better, we can spend more on the line too, Harris will be coming into his second year…we’d be primed for a run with a top QB

Rodgers very well might be available, if we can get him I say do it,

[DesertSteel]

The reason why we didn't have a good QB between Bradshaw and Ben is because we farted around with QBs in the third round, fifth round, random optimistic free-agent signings ... it just wasn't a huge priority. If they are serious about finding a new QB, they'll at least have someone serviceable within a few years. As you say, there are a lot of good pro prospects coming out these days.

The one thing I hope we avoid is the ever-present "incredible raw talent, needs coaching" prospect, because those are the ones that fail a lot, and we are especially good at fucking those picks up.
Malone was R1 and Kordell was R2. But I agree, we need a top 10 pick to get the guy that will be a franchise QB.

[Edman]

Malone was R1 and Kordell was R2. But I agree, we need a top 10 pick to get the guy that will be a franchise QB.

Ben went 11th overall in 2004.

And even if the Steelers do manage to get that high, there's no sure thing this franchise guy will be any good (Mitch Trubisky, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Carson Wentz, Sam Darnold), or even last very long (Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, RGIII), Deshaun Watson is virtually done in the league after four years despite his productivity. Jared Goff played in a Super Bowl for the Rams, now he's on another team. Carson Wentz is already on his second team.

Mahomes is the only high first round Quarterback to be worth a damn as of late, and he sat for a year before starting.

There is no 'sure-thing" when it comes to a franchise QB. The Steelers will just have to make due with what they can get. Even if they don't, does it make a difference? They haven't won a damn thing with Ben under center in 13 years. It takes more than a "franchise guy" to win Super Bowls.

[steelreserve]

Malone was R1 and Kordell was R2. But I agree, we need a top 10 pick to get the guy that will be a franchise QB.

Well Malone got injured, which kind of screwed that one up. Kordell was a great R2 pick as a wild-card, and it would've been so much better for everyone if that's how we kept using him.

But yeah, you are going to have much better odds by spending serious draft picks on serious prospects. Maybe not trading three first-rounders to move up for one player, but if you are at least using some R1 and R2 picks regularly, you ought to find a decent guy after a few tries.

I think it's possible to compete for a title with one of those "pretty good" QBs who you wouldn't necessarily build a team around. But even then you have to be trying. Like, every once in a while your Mason Rudolph pick will turn out to be Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott - but you don't even get that with the garbage-tier picks we historically used on unknown dingbats, or guys who have an obvious deal-breaker flaw.

[DesertSteel]

I have a feeling we’ll be picking in the mid teens. That should position us to move up to 6-8 without giving up more than one R1 pick.

[steelreserve]

I have a feeling we’ll be picking in the mid teens. That should position us to move up to 6-8 without giving up more than one R1 pick.

That would be not bad. Sometimes you can find a guy in mid-R1 anyway and not have to move, but that kind of depends on the draft class, and honestly I have no idea what this year's looks like for QBs. It does seem like standard procedure these days is to have to move up, though.

[DesertSteel]

That would be not bad. Sometimes you can find a guy in mid-R1 anyway and not have to move, but that kind of depends on the draft class, and honestly I have no idea what this year's looks like for QBs. It does seem like standard procedure these days is to have to move up, though.
I like Rattler from OU but I’m not sold on any of the others. Maybe Howell from UNC but he reminds me too much of Mayfield. I’m sure that some unknown will become a top 5 darling before the process is over.

[EzraTank]

Even a first round rookie is going to need 2-3 years to get it together, we should take advantage of our defense while it’s still tops - Heyward for instance is 32. O line will be better, we can spend more on the line too, Harris will be coming into his second year…we’d be primed for a run with a top QB

Rodgers very well might be available, if we can get him I say do it,

This. This is why I've been saying Rodgers can be your bridge QB for 2-3 years. He's a year younger than Ben and has no where near the mileage Ben's body has. Heck if Brady can play until 45 there is no reason to fear a 38-40 year old Rodger for a 2-3 year deal. Sign Rodgers, and then either this year or next draft a QB in round #1.

Imagine Rodgers throwing to Claypool, Smith-Schuster, Johnson, Freiermuth, Washingon and Harris out of the backfield.

[DesertSteel]

What are we giving up for Rodgers? I’d guess the asking price starts at 3 first rounders.

[Steeler-in-west]

What are we giving up for Rodgers? I’d guess the asking price starts at 3 first rounders.

This is a year removed from his trade demand; for 2022 at 38 years old? A 1st and a 3rd,

[DesertSteel]

This is a year removed from his trade demand; for 2022 at 38 years old? A 1st and a 3rd,
You’re dreaming bro.

[Steeler-in-west]

You’re dreaming bro.

they were talking two firsts for this season, no way Green Bay gets that in 2022 for a 38 year old QB. Anyway, we’ll see, maybe if he leads the packers to the super bowl this year….

[Shoes]

This. This is why I've been saying Rodgers can be your bridge QB for 2-3 years. He's a year younger than Ben and has no where near the mileage Ben's body has. Heck if Brady can play until 45 there is no reason to fear a 38-40 year old Rodger for a 2-3 year deal. Sign Rodgers, and then either this year or next draft a QB in round #1.

Imagine Rodgers throwing to Claypool, Smith-Schuster, Johnson, Freiermuth, Washingon and Harris out of the backfield.

Well, with this oline the milage will add up very fast on Rogers. I doubt he would have got up if he was hit like Ben was against the raiders. Besides that he isn't going to come to any team with a leaking dike oline. That is one of the main things Brady looked at before moving to TB, Rodgers would do the same.

[steelreserve]

It would be great to have Rodgers in the interim, but I just don't see it happening. Someone is going to offer multiple first-rounders, and that's just not worth it for a guy who's only going to play 2 or 3 years. Those are the same draft picks we'd need to use for the future QB, and for things like making sure we don't have a bullshit defensive line (man, did losing Hargrave hurt). Rodgers would be nice, but you can't have everything.

[DesertSteel]

they were talking two firsts for this season, no way Green Bay gets that in 2022 for a 38 year old QB. Anyway, we’ll see, maybe if he leads the packers to the super bowl this year….
“They” we’re just media heads. He’ll go for a minimum of two 1’s and a 3.

[Steeler-in-west]

“They” we’re just media heads. He’ll go for a minimum of two 1’s and a 3.

If you read about his renegotiated contract he’s got more leverage over the packers in 22, meaning they’ll get less back for him if he forces a trade, well see, depending on the state of our o line Rodgers may not even want to come here

[DesertSteel]

If you read about his renegotiated contract he’s got more leverage over the packers in 22, meaning they’ll get less back for him if he forces a trade, well see, depending on the state of our o line Rodgers may not even want to come here
It's solid wishful thinking. But why get Aaron Rodgers when you have Mason Rudolph?! Lol

[Steeler-in-west]

It's solid wishful thinking. But why get Aaron Rodgers when you have Mason Rudolph?! Lol

Rodgers is going somewhere next year,

with our o line the way it is so far we may see Rudolph sooner rather than later

[86WARD]

Rodgers is going somewhere next year,

with our o line the way it is so far we may see Rudolph sooner rather than later

Probably Vegas…with Adams…

[EzraTank]

What are we giving up for Rodgers? I’d guess the asking price starts at 3 first rounders.

Good question. I would NEVER give up a 1st for a guy that old. But he has control after this season and if he wants out (which I'm pretty sure he does because he hates the Packers front office) I don't see the Packers trying to stick it to him because they are going to get screwed by the CAP.

[EzraTank]

Probably Vegas…with Adams…

After watching Carr the first two weeks why would they?

[Rotorhead]

I am pretty sure he was looking at Denver, with their above average defense and decent weapons and most importantly, willingness to get him more weapons to make a SB run.

[86WARD]

After watching Carr the first two weeks why would they?

Cause there’s still 16 weeks left and 2022 is Carr’s last season of the contract.

Rodgers for Carr makes sense to the Packers because Carr and Adams have a history. If they want to keep Adams, trading Rodgers to the Raiders for Carr may be a way to do it.

[86WARD]

I am pretty sure he was looking at Denver, with their above average defense and decent weapons and most importantly, willingness to get him more weapons to make a SB run.

I think the Broncos, 49ers and Raiders were the three teams linked to him.

[Drazo85]

Rodgers wants control over entire franchise. He wants to be asked about every move they make. He wants to install his offense, his plays, his guys. Basically he wants package the Brady got with Tampa. He's not coming to Pittsburgh.

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[Shoes]

Rodgers wants control over entire franchise. He wants to be asked about every move they make. He wants to install his offense, his plays, his guys. Basically he wants package the Brady got with Tampa. He's not coming to Pittsburgh.

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Agreed....and he doesn't want to take the hits Ben receives.

[DesertSteel]

It’s gonna be a R1 draft pick next year, with Rudolph playing the part of Andy Dalton.

[EzraTank]

If we continue to play like this Oklahoma's Spencer Rattler is looking pretty good.

[DesertSteel]

The future is.............. NOW

[EzraTank]

Garoppolo is a possibly next year (someone else mentioned it somewhere). He's not a stud but he's light years better than this Ben. The 49ers are definitely going to play Lance sooner than later and might want to trade him.

He's only signed through next year with a CAP hit of $27 million.

[Steeldude]

It’s a poor crop of QBs coming out of college in 2022.

[EzraTank]

After watching Rodgers just carry the team down the field with no timeouts in :37 seconds ... I still think we need to go after him and use our high draft picks on OL.

[teegre]

It’s a poor crop of QBs coming out of college in 2022.

This time last year, the 2022 QB class looked bright. Rattler looked ready to make the leap towards being a #1 overall pick. Alas, not only has Rattler not progressed, he’s regressed. The same can essentially be said about almost every QB prospect.

There’s going to be plenty of Andy Dalton and Tony Romo types of QBs in the 2022 draft, but I’m not sure there’s going to be the next Manning or next Ben.

Caleb Strong is the leader… by default (?).

I would take a flyer on Kenny Pickett. He may not be as “talented” as some of the others, but at least he has progressed.

[DesertSteel]

Yeah the crowd was chanting the backup’s name Saturday in Norman. They’ve become so spoiled with quarterbacks there. The freshman in waiting was the #2 prospect last year.

[86WARD]

This time last year, the 2022 QB class looked bright. Rattler looked ready to make the leap towards being a #1 overall pick. Alas, not only has Rattler not progressed, he’s regressed. The same can essentially be said about almost every QB prospect.

There’s going to be plenty of Andy Dalton and Tony Romo types of QBs in the 2022 draft, but I’m not sure there’s going to be the next Manning or next Ben.

Caleb Strong is the leader… by default (?).

I would take a flyer on Kenny Pickett. He may not be as “talented” as some of the others, but at least he has progressed.

Steelers future QB isn’t on the roster and isn’t going to be drafted in 2022.

[Shoes]

Steelers future QB isn’t on the roster and isn’t going to be drafted in 2022.

that is how I'm feeling also

[86WARD]

Steelers future QB isn’t on the roster and isn’t going to be drafted in 2022.

I’d rather they take the closest to a sure thing O-Lineman…preferably RT.

[DesertSteel]

It's sad to see QBs like Carr and Cousins look like hall of famers compared to Ben. It seems like I'm piling on Ben, but he can't help his decline (maybe a few extra situps). The organization is the one at fault. They allowed their heart to dictate the season instead of their head. And I don't want to hear about salary cap. There were options, including Sam Darnold, who also looks like an all pro compared to Ben.

[st33lersguy]

There's probably at least one QB from this class who will do well. Just need to find enough athletic ability with enough work ethic/desire to get better. Also need to make sure you have a good OC that can develop a QB (probably not Matt Canada), a veteran mentor QB would probably help, and for crying out loud, fix your O-line. Invest some high draft picks, I don't mean getting day 3 selections and other teams cast-offs while pretending a bunch of skill position players will get away with that (i.e. passing on the best center in the draft to get an f-ing tight end).

Look at Josh Allen. I was 100% convinced this guy was gonna flop hard in the pros, but he's developed into a top tier QB likely due in part because of Brian Dabol

[Fire Goodell]

It's sad to see QBs like Carr and Cousins look like hall of famers compared to Ben. It seems like I'm piling on Ben, but he can't help his decline (maybe a few extra situps). The organization is the one at fault. They allowed their heart to dictate the season instead of their head. And I don't want to hear about salary cap. There were options, including Sam Darnold, who also looks like an all pro compared to Ben.

What's sad is I was watching replays of the Carolina game and Sam Darnold looked like a HOF quarterback compared to Ben

[Mojouw]

What's sad is I was watching replays of the Carolina game and Sam Darnold looked like a HOF quarterback compared to Ben

I console myself that since Haskins often looked WORSE than Darnood, his late season reemergence will be even more glorious. Then I wake up.

[hawaiiansteeler]

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[jens.karlsson.14]

There is absolutely no denying it, all starters and most backups in this league are better than Ben at this point. Just think about it, imagine Ben in another jersey and evaluate.. His deep ball, his Velocity, his feet, his pocket escape, even his accuracy. I give ben max 2 Games, we will loose at Lambau, but if we loose again at home against Broncos, all-in Haskins. Give him the 12 remaining games to develop, whatever the result. If he truly does not develop, we know, and we pick top 5 in the draft.

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[teegre]

A-A-Ron was on Pat McAfee’s show praising the city of Pittsburgh and it’s fans. I get that opposing teams players will say nice things the week before a game, but not to the degree that Rodgers was doing; it definitely sounded like a sales pitch.

[Bluecoat96]

A-A-Ron was on Pat McAfee’s show praising the city of Pittsburgh and it’s fans. I get that opposing teams players will say nice things the week before a game, but not to the degree that Rodgers was doing; it definitely sounded like a sales pitch.Yeah... When you mention "Pittsburgh Dad" like he did, it REALLY seemed like a sales pitch. He spoke REALLY highly of Tomlin as well.

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[Mojouw]

Rodgers is not coming here. Dump trucks of money fix most problems. GB is just going to break the bank for him and then he will sign. After using teams like the Steelers, Falcons, Lions, etc to drive up the price.

I didn't realize he is under contract through 2023...his age 40 season. He's not leaving.

[dislocatedday]

This is just a random thought, and I am not sold on this idea, but I figured I would throw it out there.

If there is no QB that the team is sold on drafting with a high pick next year, and the team has decided Rudolph and Haskins are not viable starters, then they are going to have to look at other options. One possibility is giving Mitch Trubisky a shot as I think he only signed a one year deal with Buffalo, and he is not going to overtake Josh Allen. I know Trubisky looked pretty bad at times in Chicago, but he also had moments where he looked like a viable starter. Chicago just seems to be a wasteland for QBs and their development for some reason, which is why I am not willing to totally write him off.

The Steelers could then fortify other positions in the draft (O-Line, D-Line, CB).

Again, I am not beating the drum for this to happen, but I am trying to think what might be some other options for the team if they do not take a QB with a high pick next year.

[Shoes]

Rodgers is not coming here. Dump trucks of money fix most problems. GB is just going to break the bank for him and then he will sign. After using teams like the Steelers, Falcons, Lions, etc to drive up the price.

I didn't realize he is under contract through 2023...his age 40 season. He's not leaving.


Agreed, and I'm feeling the steelers may not draft a QB early. Maybe a later pick or maybe a FA. Perhaps they go with MR, Haskins, Dobbs until the 2023. I think they beef up the oline, WR and D

[EzraTank]

Rodgers is not coming here. Dump trucks of money fix most problems. GB is just going to break the bank for him and then he will sign. After using teams like the Steelers, Falcons, Lions, etc to drive up the price.

I didn't realize he is under contract through 2023...his age 40 season. He's not leaving.

Me neither until I looked a few days ago. I just assumed that when people were saying he controlled his 2022 season that he was a UFA.

[EzraTank]

This is just a random thought, and I am not sold on this idea, but I figured I would throw it out there.

If there is no QB that the team is sold on drafting with a high pick next year, and the team has decided Rudolph and Haskins are not viable starters, then they are going to have to look at other options. One possibility is giving Mitch Trubisky a shot as I think he only signed a one year deal with Buffalo, and he is not going to overtake Josh Allen. I know Trubisky looked pretty bad at times in Chicago, but he also had moments where he looked like a viable starter. Chicago just seems to be a wasteland for QBs and their development for some reason, which is why I am not willing to totally write him off.

The Steelers could then fortify other positions in the draft (O-Line, D-Line, CB).

Again, I am not beating the drum for this to happen, but I am trying to think what might be some other options for the team if they do not take a QB with a high pick next year.

Jimmy Garoppolo is another option depending on what SF wants to do with Trey Lance. If Lance is ready to start next year then Garoppolo will not want to stay around to sit on the bench and SF will not want to pay him to do that either. He's signed through only next year, 2022 (CAP hit, $27 million (https://overthecap.com/player/jimmy-garoppolo/3001/)) for $24.2 million. He's a lot better than Trubisky and with one year left on his deal he's a low risk that you could let walk if he stinks next year. Then you draft a QB in 2023.

Ben's CAP hit of $25,910,000 will be coming off the books when he retires (or is released/not signed) so it is almost a wash. By no means am I saying Garoppolo is the future (he'll be 31 next year) but at least he would give us a chance to remain competitive and we can then focus on using our (probably high) draft picks on building our offensive line in next year's draft.

We have a great defense, 3 very very good receivers, a possible stud RB and TE. It would be sad to let them age out, just build our line, and sign a guy to manage it that still has the skills to make throws like 2010 Ben could.

[DesertSteel]

Rodgers is not coming here. Dump trucks of money fix most problems. GB is just going to break the bank for him and then he will sign. After using teams like the Steelers, Falcons, Lions, etc to drive up the price.

I didn't realize he is under contract through 2023...his age 40 season. He's not leaving.
Based on your track record of saying what will definitely not happen, this clearly means he’s coming!

[dislocatedday]

We have a great defense, 3 very very good receivers, a possible stud RB and TE. It would be sad to let them age out, just build our line, and sign a guy to manage it that still has the skills to make throws like 2010 Ben could.

That is my thinking as well if there is not a QB that they absolutely love in next year's draft. I'd rather them not force the issue and draft a QB just to draft one because they feel they should, as I would rather see the draft capital used to build up the other areas that need it it (OL, DL, and CB likely).

[Mojouw]

Based on your track record of saying what will definitely not happen, this clearly means he’s coming!

That’s my secret plan! Don’t jinx it.

[Mojouw]

Jimmy Garoppolo is another option depending on what SF wants to do with Trey Lance. If Lance is ready to start next year then Garoppolo will not want to stay around to sit on the bench and SF will not want to pay him to do that either. He's signed through only next year, 2022 (CAP hit, $27 million (https://overthecap.com/player/jimmy-garoppolo/3001/)) for $24.2 million. He's a lot better than Trubisky and with one year left on his deal he's a low risk that you could let walk if he stinks next year. Then you draft a QB in 2023.

Ben's CAP hit of $25,910,000 will be coming off the books when he retires (or is released/not signed) so it is almost a wash. By no means am I saying Garoppolo is the future (he'll be 31 next year) but at least he would give us a chance to remain competitive and we can then focus on using our (probably high) draft picks on building our offensive line in next year's draft.

We have a great defense, 3 very very good receivers, a possible stud RB and TE. It would be sad to let them age out, just build our line, and sign a guy to manage it that still has the skills to make throws like 2010 Ben could.

As long as they basically get him for nothing. We know what a well run and well coached team thinks of its chances to win a SB with Jimmy G. The answer is that they really don't want to do it again. Jimmy had/has a good o-line, really good skill positon players, a well designed offense, and a fantastic defense. Still not really exciting anyone.

I say just bottom out and get the guy you think CAN get you into the SB.

[DesertSteel]

That’s my secret plan! Don’t jinx it.
Lol! I'll give you the credit when it happens! :D

[EzraTank]

As long as they basically get him for nothing. We know what a well run and well coached team thinks of its chances to win a SB with Jimmy G. The answer is that they really don't want to do it again. Jimmy had/has a good o-line, really good skill positon players, a well designed offense, and a fantastic defense. Still not really exciting anyone.

I say just bottom out and get the guy you think CAN get you into the SB.

Which is why I said I don't think he's our future but just a bridge on the last year of his contract. If Trey Lance is ready next year SF will move him for a mid round pick. Now if there is a stud QB in this draft I say we go for it, but all signs are pointing to the draft being MEH for QB's.

[DesertSteel]

If Jimmy G plays well this year, he'll go for at least a 2nd. We need to quit expecting to get our next QB for a bag of chips.

[EzraTank]

If Jimmy G plays well this year, he'll go for at least a 2nd. We need to quit expecting to get our next QB for a bag of chips.

Okay so then we trade our 2nd round pick and use #1 & #3 to fill holes. I still don't think he goes that high since he'll be in the last year of his deal. I was thinking a #3 and #5 pick.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Okay so then we trade our 2nd round pick and use #1 & #3 to fill holes. I still don't think he goes that high since he'll be in the last year of his deal. I was thinking a #3 and #5 pick.

no thanks to Jimmy G.

there's a reason why the 49ers traded to move up for Trey Lance.

[DesertSteel]

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[EzraTank]

no thanks to Jimmy G.

there's a reason why the 49ers traded to move up for Trey Lance.

Okay if you could choose to switch Ben for Jimmy G right now for the rest of the season, would you? Again I'm not saying I want him to be our future QB but I would take him over Rudolph & Haskins in a minute.

[Crow-Magnon]

If (and that’s a bit if) Pittsburgh obtained Rodgers, then what? You get a (as of 2021) QB that’s still great, but for how long? And if you spend all the $$$$ it’s going to take on bring Rodgers to the Steelers, what’s left to spend on improving the OL?

If there are no viable QB’s for the Steelers in the 2022 draft, I think it’s going to be Rudolph or Haskins next year, unless another QB becomes available that not that cost-prohibitive and is a step up until Pittsburgh can draft a successor to Roethlisberger.

[Rotorhead]

Well the Rodgers deal would only be for a couple years and we would draft to fill the holes at OL and Def. He would have better weapons than GB has had for years with 3 WRs, a top RB and a solid TE, not to mention a top defense. But we all know he is not coming here. I would take Minshew in a minute. He had the moxie to keep a terrible Jax offense in games and he would be cheap allowing us to fill holes in FA and through the draft.

[86WARD]

Well the Rodgers deal would only be for a couple years and we would draft to fill the holes at OL and Def. He would have better weapons than GB has had for years with 3 WRs, a top RB and a solid TE, not to mention a top defense. But we all know he is not coming here. I would take Minshew in a minute. He had the moxie to keep a terrible Jax offense in games and he would be cheap allowing us to fill holes in FA and through the draft.

What keeps Rodgers from getting butt hurt again when the Steelers draft a qb?

[st33lersguy]

No thank you to Aaron Rodgers. Let's not try and replace one geriatric with another geriatric.

[steelcityboyz]

No thank you to Aaron Rodgers. Let's not try and replace one geriatric with another geriatric.Unless it's Brady

[Shoes]

Unless it's Brady

Brady wouldn't make it to halftime with our oline.

[steelcityboyz]

Brady wouldn't make it to halftime with our oline.:lol:

[pczach]

Brady wouldn't make it to halftime with our oline.




Sure he would. He'd just keep throwing the ball away or go to the ground in the fetal position so he doesn't get hit. :heh:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Sure he would. He'd just keep throwing the ball away or go to the ground in the fetal position so he doesn't get hit. :heh:

and draw a 15-yard roughing the passer penalty each time.

[EzraTank]

If (and that’s a bit if) Pittsburgh obtained Rodgers, then what? You get a (as of 2021) QB that’s still great, but for how long? And if you spend all the $$$$ it’s going to take on bring Rodgers to the Steelers, what’s left to spend on improving the OL?

If there are no viable QB’s for the Steelers in the 2022 draft, I think it’s going to be Rudolph or Haskins next year, unless another QB becomes available that not that cost-prohibitive and is a step up until Pittsburgh can draft a successor to Roethlisberger.

Well if they can get Rodgers for the right price then you draft OL with your top two picks. Most of our line is on rookie contracts so that would leave us the CAP space to sign/pay Rodgers for 2-3 years (which is all I think he has left in him). If we could pull that off then we are instantly competitive with our defense. But the bottom line is if we do not fix our OL I don't care whole we have starting for us we are going to stink.

[Mojouw]

Here's the thing with the O line. How much of it is needing different players and how much of it is just what happens to rookie lineman in the NFL?

If ALL Green needs is to get NFL strong and clean up his technique....should be fine next season.
Assume similar for Moore.

Then replacing those two with two other rookies doesn't get you anywhere but in the spin cycle again.

Now...Chuks...I kinda just think sucks at this point. Really had high hopes for his development but if he hasn't done it by now...he likely isn't gonna do it.
Get the rest of this season to look at Banner. So...there is a possibility that RT, LT, and C are all fine by 2022.

So that really leaves the guard spots. Is Dotson any good? Hard to say. Fans love him. The team seems to feel otherwise. Reporting from Dulac that he is coming out of the lineup. Turner was a roll of the dice that looks like he needs to get re-rolled.

Long story short, I can not see passing up a franchise QB in 2021 to draft interior OL.

[Fire Goodell]

Here's the thing with the O line. How much of it is needing different players and how much of it is just what happens to rookie lineman in the NFL?

If ALL Green needs is to get NFL strong and clean up his technique....should be fine next season.
Assume similar for Moore.

Then replacing those two with two other rookies doesn't get you anywhere but in the spin cycle again.

Now...Chuks...I kinda just think sucks at this point. Really had high hopes for his development but if he hasn't done it by now...he likely isn't gonna do it.
Get the rest of this season to look at Banner. So...there is a possibility that RT, LT, and C are all fine by 2022.

So that really leaves the guard spots. Is Dotson any good? Hard to say. Fans love him. The team seems to feel otherwise. Reporting from Dulac that he is coming out of the lineup. Turner was a roll of the dice that looks like he needs to get re-rolled.

Long story short, I can not see passing up a franchise QB in 2021 to draft interior OL.

I see them either going QB or OT if there's an Orlando Pace type of player that you just absolutely have to take

[EzraTank]

I see them either going QB or OT if there's an Orlando Pace type of player that you just absolutely have to take

This. If a QB emerges this year in college then by all means you draft them, but if the class continues to be rated MEH, you take the best OL available. I agree with Mojouw that you give Moore and Green more time to develop but if you can get other positions on the OL you jump at it. Like I've said before in other threads we have young defense, WR's, RB, TE and if we get a line then you can plug in a lot of QB's to manage them until your next franchise QB comes along.

[EzraTank]

Rodgers wants to come here ... ;) plus it would be nice to have a different Mr. Rodgers in town, no?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1442929064684052482
(https://twitter.com/i/status/1442929064684052482)
When the season ends this should be Tomlin to Aaron ...

https://i.giphy.com/media/l4Jz6QaSF2sAKebwA/giphy.webp

[DesertSteel]

Brady wouldn't make it to halftime with our oline.
Brady would lead this Steelers to the Super Bowl. Srs.

[silver & black]

and draw a 15-yard roughing the passer penalty each time.

Nope.... the helmet is the wrong color.:lol:

[Mojouw]

Ok. So the Aaron Rodgers is coming here crowd...how do you see that happening? Assume Rodgers tells GB he wants out. What does Pittsburgh have to offer that other teams can not beat?

Pittsburgh is just as bad as GB climate wise.
Apparently our WRs and OL are awful - so that is not enticing to an old QB. The boatload of draft picks that the team would have to send to GB would prevent much improvement there.

What is it that Steelers can put on the table that other teams can not? I can't think of anything. TJ Watt. That's basically it.

If he is going to move from GB to an AFC North team, I suspect the Browns can make the better offer. They have more draft picks and a better roster. Miami isn't sold on Tua...that's a nicer place to live. Texans would likely move heaven and earth to try and make this happen.

[Steeler-in-west]

Assuming the o line will not get better which I highly doubt, they’re young , they’ll get better over the course of this season - will probably upgrade from Okorafor and Tuner through FA, Juju, claypool, DJ and Washington along with PF are solid if not very good

It’s not going to take a boatload of pics, Rodgers has the leverage going into 2022, not saying he will come here but it’s not as unlikely as some think

[Mojouw]

Assuming the o line will not get better which I highly doubt, they’re young , they’ll get better over the course of this season - will probably upgrade from Okorafor and Tuner through FA, Juju, claypool, DJ and Washington along with PF are solid if not very good

It’s not going to take a boatload of pics, Rodgers has the leverage going into 2022, not saying he will come here but it’s not as unlikely as some think

What leverage does he have? He either plays for GB or retires. He's under contract. He has the same leverage he had this off-season - none.

[Steeler-in-west]

What leverage does he have? He either plays for GB or retires. He's under contract. He has the same leverage he had this off-season - none.

Green Bay’s cap hit is 40 million if he stays in 2022, with that in mind I’m sure they’re backup Love is looking better and better

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/rodgers-signs-new-contract

[Mojouw]

Green Bay’s cap hit is 40 million if he stays in 2022, with that in mind I’m sure they’re backup Love is looking better and better

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/rodgers-signs-new-contract

I guess. I just can't understand the logic of getting rid of Rodgers to go with a guy who has never really thrown an NFL pass. And Rodgers can piss and moan all he wants...but he has no actual way out of town.

[DesertSteel]

I guess. I just can't understand the logic of getting rid of Rodgers to go with a guy who has never really thrown an NFL pass. And Rodgers can piss and moan all he wants...but he has no actual way out of town.
Something was agreed upon during their late summer talks that wooed him to report. There has to be an exit strategy in place that both sides can live with.

[Steeler-in-west]

I guess. I just can't understand the logic of getting rid of Rodgers to go with a guy who has never really thrown an NFL pass. And Rodgers can piss and moan all he wants...but he has no actual way out of town.

Who wants to deal with a 40 million cap hit? Like desertsteel mentioned there’s probably an exit strategy in place…and this looks like it’s it

[Mojouw]

Something was agreed upon during their late summer talks that wooed him to report. There has to be an exit strategy in place that both sides can live with.


Who wants to deal with a 40 million cap hit? Like desertsteel mentioned there’s probably an exit strategy in place…and this looks like it’s it

This is based on what besides just rampant hot take speculation? It is just as likely that they agreed to give Rodgers more informal control on personnel decisions and re-do his deal in the off-season to move cash around.

[86WARD]

What leverage does he have? He either plays for GB or retires. He's under contract. He has the same leverage he had this off-season - none.

There was a public verbal agreement that if Rodgers doesn’t want to play in Green Bay in 2022, the Packers would trade him. That was reported by multiple outlets. Not in writing so the Packers could screw him if they wanted to. But would they?

Also, Rodgers can throw down the retirement card forcing the Packers to either get something for him or he walks off into the sunset and hosts Jeopardy or something that’s easier on his body.

The Packers aren’t going to want to go through all this nonsense again. That would be an embarrassment if they did that again.

Not sure what the Steelers could offer other than draft picks. Which really…aren’t that Important. I mean the Rams are proving that right now…problem there is: not in the Steelers repertoire to do something like that.

[Mojouw]

There was a public verbal agreement that if Rodgers doesn’t want to play in Green Bay in 2022, the Packers would trade him. That was reported by multiple outlets. Not in writing so the Packers could screw him if they wanted to. But would they?

Also, Rodgers can throw down the retirement card forcing the Packers to either get something for him or he walks off into the sunset and hosts Jeopardy or something that’s easier on his body.

The Packers aren’t going to want to go through all this nonsense again. That would be an embarrassment if they did that again.

Not sure what the Steelers could offer other than draft picks. Which really…aren’t that Important. I mean the Rams are proving that right now…problem there is: not in the Steelers repertoire to do something like that.

The only "public" part of it I can find is that Jay Glazer said it took place. FWIW, no one up this way think's he is going anywhere. It was a power play between Rodgers and the new GM. Rodgers won.

[DesertSteel]

This is based on what besides just rampant hot take speculation? It is just as likely that they agreed to give Rodgers more informal control on personnel decisions and re-do his deal in the off-season to move cash around.
Meh... not just hot takes -- ala Skip Bayless / Colin Cowherd types. But Shefter and more reliable reporters said as much.

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The only "public" part of it I can find is that Jay Glazer said it took place. FWIW, no one up this way think's he is going anywhere. It was a power play between Rodgers and the new GM. Rodgers won.
How did Rodgers win if you claim he has no leverage?

[Mojouw]

Meh... not just hot takes -- ala Skip Bayless / Colin Cowherd types. But Shefter and more reliable reporters said as much.

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How did Rodgers win if you claim he has no leverage?

Ok. Sure. You guys win. The Packers are gonna totally trade a guy who just won the MVP a season ago. And he’s totally gonna wanna come to cold dreary Pittsburgh after engineering his way out of cold dreary Green Bay.

[86WARD]

Ok. Sure. You guys win. The Packers are gonna totally trade a guy who just won the MVP a season ago. And he’s totally gonna wanna come to cold dreary Pittsburgh after engineering his way out of cold dreary Green Bay.

Good point…why do players play in Pittsburgh or Green Bay…being that they are both so cold and dreary. I mean you have to believe that TJ Watt is out of his mind re-signing in Pittsburgh right? JuJu taking less money to stay in Pittsburgh over Baltimore or Kansas City? Reggie White signed in Green Bay…it was always suspected that he had some head issues and that’s why he signed there. Point…weather has very rarely been an excuse not to go to an organization. Do you have a concrete example of someone not going to Pittsburgh or Green Bay because of the weather being cold and dreary?

Has anyone said that Rodgers is definitely going to be traded to Pittsburgh? I mean people can have theories and wishes on how the roster is structured. We, as a group, can also only go off of what has been reported in more than several media outlets and by some of the more reputable ones. What else are we basing the conversation on? I don’t work for the Packers front office or Aaron Rodgers, maybe someone else does…but I doubt it. So the next logical step would be to go off what has been reported…no? When doing that, we would look towards the reputable ones first, some of the bloggers, maybe some of the “hot takes”? Unless this group is missing something, that’s all we really have to go off of.

[Mojouw]

Good point…why do players play in Pittsburgh or Green Bay…being that they are both so cold and dreary. I mean you have to believe that TJ Watt is out of his mind re-signing in Pittsburgh right? JuJu taking less money to stay in Pittsburgh over Baltimore or Kansas City? Reggie White signed in Green Bay…it was always suspected that he had some head issues and that’s why he signed there. Point…weather has very rarely been an excuse not to go to an organization. Do you have a concrete example of someone not going to Pittsburgh or Green Bay because of the weather being cold and dreary?

Has anyone said that Rodgers is definitely going to be traded to Pittsburgh? I mean people can have theories and wishes on how the roster is structured. We, as a group, can also only go off of what has been reported in more than several media outlets and by some of the more reputable ones. What else are we basing the conversation on? I don’t work for the Packers front office or Aaron Rodgers, maybe someone else does…but I doubt it. So the next logical step would be to go off what has been reported…no? When doing that, we would look towards the reputable ones first, some of the bloggers, maybe some of the “hot takes”? Unless this group is missing something, that’s all we really have to go off of.

Watt played here because they made him the highest paid defensive player in the league. Juju came back because he rolled the dice that it would lead to better offer$ in 2022 since his 2021 market $ucked. It was also a genius PR move and buoyed hi$ brand. He might be regretting it now…

Rodgers has claimed he wants to play with his friends, have a great deal of input into the offense, be consulted on roster construction, and a variety of other off the field things.

On the field, what do the Steelers offer that trumps his current situation? Their 2-5 WRs are better but Adams trumps DJ at the top. Jones is currently better than Harris. TE is a push. OL is better in GB. On defense, the Steelers front 7 is better, but by how much? Enough that Rodgers thinks they can win a SB with him on offense? On the backend, it’s hard to say. Steelers have recently really outplayed the Packers. But the past few weeks, it is less clear.

The biggest difference would be off the field. Would Rodgers prefer Colbert, Tomlin, and Canada to the leadership in Green Bay? He very well might. It seems he hates the GM (although to be fair, he didn’t like the previous one either) and isn’t fully on board with LaFluer’s decision making. BUT…he also prefers him over McCarthy. He just won the MVP in this offense. They’re letting him draw up plays. Does he want to come play for Canada or whatever random coach the Steelers hire? That’s murky at best.

Plus, what would the compensation have to be for the Pack to do the deal? Stanford’s deal would be a likely starting point. So that’s two first rounders. Now, what can the Steelers do to balance the Goff piece? No equivalent player. So another first. Then the third round pick. Less than that and they can just tell Rodgers that they tried and no one made a realistic offer.

All told that looks like a 2022 first and third. Then the 2023 & 2024 first round picks. Which leaves the team zero assets aside from cap space to improve the roster before Rodgers retires.

What in the above makes the Steelers an attractive destination for Rodgers? Or at least MORE attractive then other teams? That’s what I’m asking. No one seems to be able to articulate that. I’m more than willing to accept the scenario but then walking through it is the next part of it. So let’s have that conversation. I’ve tried to lay out why I think Rodgers wouldn’t demand a trade here. Yourself and others disagree. So, other than a puff piece on the Pat Macafee show, what’s the reasoning?

[Steeler-in-west]

You can’t look at the team right now, OL will be better by next year, they’ll probably bolster the receiving corps and DB’s too. Defense is top 3 as Rodgers himself said. Wherever he’s thinking about going he’s probably and smartly looking at ownership, management and coaching staff, Steelers are pretty good in those areas

a lot of guys chose to come here when they had more lucrative offers elsewhere (Juju for starters and he’s an SC guy choosing to stay in cold Pittsburgh imagine that…..

[Mojouw]

You can’t look at the team right now, OL will be better by next year, they’ll probably bolster the receiving corps and DB’s too. Defense is top 3 as Rodgers himself said. Wherever he’s thinking about going he’s probably and smartly looking at ownership, management and coaching staff, Steelers are pretty good in those areas

a lot of guys chose to come here when they had more lucrative offers elsewhere (Juju for starters and he’s an SC guy choosing to stay in cold Pittsburgh imagine that…..

The Packers have a far better OL. Now and next season. Juju's cash was the same here and elsewhere. The extra $$$ was in incentives that he may not have reached. Alualu turned down cash so his kids could stay in their school. That's the only notable player I can think of recently.

For coaching staff...how can it be that Canada needs fired AND it is an attractive destination for a QB to come and play here?

Is the defense gonna hold that top status? Haden and Pierre don't look like they can cover me right now, much less actual NFL WR's. Chase and Ruggs roasted both as badly as Kevin King (designated Packers defensive scapegoat) has ever bean roasted.

If cap space is a problem with Rodgers deal and the Steelers send a raft of draft picks to GB to get Rodgers...what are they bolstering the roster with? They won't have FA cash AND they won't have draft picks...so where are the reinforcements coming from?

I LOVE the idea of Rodgers coming here. I think with this roster it would be a really great team to watch and could make some serious noise. But I can not work through the path that gets him from GB to Pittsburgh. At least not as a "Rodgers Selected Preferred" destination. The offensive situation in Green Bay is just simply better in GB than it is/would be in Pittsburgh.

[EzraTank]

I guess. I just can't understand the logic of getting rid of Rodgers to go with a guy who has never really thrown an NFL pass. And Rodgers can piss and moan all he wants...but he has no actual way out of town.

I think he personally hates the people in GB's front office. That is the biggest driving factor, not they "they" want to get rid of him but he wants out. Personally if I played professional sports I'd only play in states with no income tax (FL, TX, TN, NV, WA) but that's a different argument. I really think Rodgers just personally wants out not because of the weather, fans but because of the front office. That said, I would expect him to come to a place that has a great chance of winning. Is that us? Who knows but we do have a great defense, 3-4 very good wide outs (imagine Rodgers hitting DJ, JJ, and Claypool in stride), a stud young TE/RB. Our biggest hurdle is our OL and a questionable Offensive Coordinator. Now granted with 14 games left our OL might get better. But if he agrees to come here and we draft OL #1/#2 and sign others why not come here? Remember Rodgers can play designed roll outs and do a lot of things that Ben just simply cannot which would make our offense instantly better. Rodgers would force teams to play different defenses against us because he's not always going to be sitting in the pocket like the immobile Ben.

Even at 38 Rodgers still is really really good. Just looking at Ben vs Rodgers it is clear that Rodgers takes way better care of himself than Ben ever did. If Brady can still do it at age 45 there is no reason to think Rodgers cannot play in to his early 40's. And those saying why would he come to dreary, cold Pittsburgh ... you seriously cannot compare Pittsburgh to Green Bay. Yes it gets dreary in Pittsburgh but compared to GB it's tropical up until mid December.

The biggest question you have to ask is next year what other contending teams need a QB that can offer what we can?

Contenders that clearly do NOT need a change/new QB:

Chiefs
Titans
Rams
Bucs
Ravens
Browns
Bills
Seahawks (Wilson signed through 2023)

Contenders that might make a move:

Raiders? Maybe.
San Fran? Maybe but they just drafted Trey Lance.

The Raiders have Carr signed through 2023 but they might consider moving on. The 49ers have Lance waiting in the wings why would they want Rodgers? When you look at it like this what other team has the weapons to offer Rodgers as an incentive? Yes his CAP hit is $46 million next year but if he agrees to come here you extend him to a 1-3 year deal and make the CAP hit more manageable.

[Mojouw]

I think he personally hates the people in GB's front office. That is the biggest driving factor, not they "they" want to get rid of him but he wants out. Personally if I played professional sports I'd only play in states with no income tax (FL, TX, TN, NV, WA) but that's a different argument. I really think Rodgers just personally wants out not because of the weather, fans but because of the front office. That said, I would expect him to come to a place that has a great chance of winning. Is that us? Who knows but we do have a great defense, 3-4 very good wide outs (imagine Rodgers hitting DJ, JJ, and Claypool in stride), a stud young TE/RB. Our biggest hurdle is our OL and a questionable Offensive Coordinator. Now granted with 14 games left our OL might get better. But if he agrees to come here and we draft OL #1/#2 and sign others why not come here? Remember Rodgers can play designed roll outs and do a lot of things that Ben just simply cannot which would make our offense instantly better. Rodgers would force teams to play different defenses against us because he's not always going to be sitting in the pocket like the immobile Ben.

Even at 38 Rodgers still is really really good. Just looking at Ben vs Rodgers it is clear that Rodgers takes way better care of himself than Ben ever did. If Brady can still do it at age 45 there is no reason to think Rodgers cannot play in to his early 40's. And those saying why would he come to dreary, cold Pittsburgh ... you seriously cannot compare Pittsburgh to Green Bay. Yes it gets dreary in Pittsburgh but compared to GB it's tropical up until mid December.

The biggest question you have to ask is next year what other contending teams need a QB that can offer what we can?

Contenders that clearly do NOT need a change/new QB:

Chiefs
Titans
Rams
Bucs
Ravens
Browns
Bills
Seahawks (Wilson signed through 2023)

Contenders that might make a move:

Raiders? Maybe.
San Fran? Maybe but they just drafted Trey Lance.

The Raiders have Carr signed through 2023 but they might consider moving on. The 49ers have Lance waiting in the wings why would they want Rodgers? When you look at it like this what other team has the weapons to offer Rodgers as an incentive? Yes his CAP hit is $46 million next year but if he agrees to come here you extend him to a 1-3 year deal and make the CAP hit more manageable.

That all makes sense. I figure the Browns, Raiders, Saints, San Fran (with Lance headlining the return), Colts, and the WFT can all make a similar case as the Steelers that they are a QB away from winning a lot of football games. Then there are the Vikings, Giants, Dolphins, Broncos, Falcons, and Texans that are slice below that would likely be willing to trade everything that isn't nailed down to get Rodgers.

If I was Rodgers, I would want to go to Cleveland or San Francisco. Essentially replicate what the early 2021 success of McVay and Stafford has looked like. Both teams have strong defenses and really good offenses designed by innovate coaching staff that have a ceiling put on them by their QB play. Rodgers shatters that ceiling.I think the Steelers can match either team on defense (or at least make a credible case) but they aren't playing in the same league with the offensive scheme. In theory, both the Browns and the Niners are doing things that Canada claims he wants to do. We haven't seen any of it. And it may be a hard sell that Rodgers makes Canada better. If I was Rodgers, I wouldn't want to have to make a coach better, I would want the coach to make me better. Imagine how easy ?it would be for Shannahan to say "If I can make Jimmy G look like this...imagine how good I can make you look?" Or Sean Payton telling Rodgers that he made Winston and Taysum Hill viable NFL QBs...what do you think I can do for you?

[Steeler-in-west]

The Packers have a far better OL. Now and next season. Juju's cash was the same here and elsewhere. The extra $$$ was in incentives that he may not have reached. Alualu turned down cash so his kids could stay in their school. That's the only notable player I can think of recently.

For coaching staff...how can it be that Canada needs fired AND it is an attractive destination for a QB to come and play here?

Is the defense gonna hold that top status? Haden and Pierre don't look like they can cover me right now, much less actual NFL WR's. Chase and Ruggs roasted both as badly as Kevin King (designated Packers defensive scapegoat) has ever bean roasted.

If cap space is a problem with Rodgers deal and the Steelers send a raft of draft picks to GB to get Rodgers...what are they bolstering the roster with? They won't have FA cash AND they won't have draft picks...so where are the reinforcements coming from?

I LOVE the idea of Rodgers coming here. I think with this roster it would be a really great team to watch and could make some serious noise. But I can not work through the path that gets him from GB to Pittsburgh. At least not as a "Rodgers Selected Preferred" destination. The offensive situation in Green Bay is just simply better in GB than it is/would be in Pittsburgh.

you can’t say their OL will be far better next year, we don’t even know what the o lines will look like after the draft and free agency let alone not knowing how much this o line will improve over the course of this season with the banner coming back as well. The offense just needs a little improvement- a couple more seconds in pass protection and Ben himself will start to look better. It’s totally reasonable to expect a young line to improve over the course of the season.

I read and heard juju was offered more elsewhere. You’ve got a lot of warm weather guys making their homes in Pittsburgh- polamalu, swann, decastro was from the west coast. A lot of these guys have multiple homes anyway - playing in Pittsburgh is not an issue

As for Canada, it’s still early. I think plays improve and the playbook expands as the o line improves and receivers get used to their routes but bottom line, the Steelers have a great track record of being a consistent successful franchise, if the numbers works, who would not want to come here? And Rodgers seems to despise the packers FO

[EzraTank]

That all makes sense. I figure the Browns, Raiders, Saints, San Fran (with Lance headlining the return), Colts, and the WFT can all make a similar case as the Steelers that they are a QB away from winning a lot of football games. Then there are the Vikings, Giants, Dolphins, Broncos, Falcons, and Texans that are slice below that would likely be willing to trade everything that isn't nailed down to get Rodgers.

If I was Rodgers, I would want to go to Cleveland or San Francisco. Essentially replicate what the early 2021 success of McVay and Stafford has looked like. Both teams have strong defenses and really good offenses designed by innovate coaching staff that have a ceiling put on them by their QB play. Rodgers shatters that ceiling.I think the Steelers can match either team on defense (or at least make a credible case) but they aren't playing in the same league with the offensive scheme. In theory, both the Browns and the Niners are doing things that Canada claims he wants to do. We haven't seen any of it. And it may be a hard sell that Rodgers makes Canada better. If I was Rodgers, I wouldn't want to have to make a coach better, I would want the coach to make me better. Imagine how easy ?it would be for Shannahan to say "If I can make Jimmy G look like this...imagine how good I can make you look?" Or Sean Payton telling Rodgers that he made Winston and Taysum Hill viable NFL QBs...what do you think I can do for you?

I just don't see the Browns (committed to a much younger Mayfield) or 49ers (Trey Lance pick) signing or even wanting Rodgers. Now if the Packers/49ers work a straight up trade Rodgers/Garoppolo then I could see him playing there next year if Trey Lance isn't ready but again, if I'm Rodgers I want to go somewhere for the next 2-3 years and Trey Lance isn't sitting around that long after what San Fran gave up to draft him.

As far as Canada if it takes him being fired to get Rodgers here (with Rodgers having input on who replaces Canada) then I do it in a heartbeat. Canada has 14 more games to prove he can at least beat/compete with inferior teams. The rest of the 2nd tier teams (Vikings, Giants, Dolphins, Broncos, Falcons, and Texans) that you listed have no where near our defense or offensive weapons that we could offer.

I'm telling you him coming here makes the most sense.

[86WARD]

Watt played here because they made him the highest paid defensive player in the league. Juju came back because he rolled the dice that it would lead to better offer$ in 2022 since his 2021 market $ucked. It was also a genius PR move and buoyed hi$ brand. He might be regretting it now…

Rodgers has claimed he wants to play with his friends, have a great deal of input into the offense, be consulted on roster construction, and a variety of other off the field things.

On the field, what do the Steelers offer that trumps his current situation? Their 2-5 WRs are better but Adams trumps DJ at the top. Jones is currently better than Harris. TE is a push. OL is better in GB. On defense, the Steelers front 7 is better, but by how much? Enough that Rodgers thinks they can win a SB with him on offense? On the backend, it’s hard to say. Steelers have recently really outplayed the Packers. But the past few weeks, it is less clear.

The biggest difference would be off the field. Would Rodgers prefer Colbert, Tomlin, and Canada to the leadership in Green Bay? He very well might. It seems he hates the GM (although to be fair, he didn’t like the previous one either) and isn’t fully on board with LaFluer’s decision making. BUT…he also prefers him over McCarthy. He just won the MVP in this offense. They’re letting him draw up plays. Does he want to come play for Canada or whatever random coach the Steelers hire? That’s murky at best.

Plus, what would the compensation have to be for the Pack to do the deal? Stanford’s deal would be a likely starting point. So that’s two first rounders. Now, what can the Steelers do to balance the Goff piece? No equivalent player. So another first. Then the third round pick. Less than that and they can just tell Rodgers that they tried and no one made a realistic offer.

All told that looks like a 2022 first and third. Then the 2023 & 2024 first round picks. Which leaves the team zero assets aside from cap space to improve the roster before Rodgers retires.

What in the above makes the Steelers an attractive destination for Rodgers? Or at least MORE attractive then other teams? That’s what I’m asking. No one seems to be able to articulate that. I’m more than willing to accept the scenario but then walking through it is the next part of it. So let’s have that conversation. I’ve tried to lay out why I think Rodgers wouldn’t demand a trade here. Yourself and others disagree. So, other than a puff piece on the Pat Macafee show, what’s the reasoning?

Watt could’ve played this season and been the highest paid player in a better climate. Opted to return on a long term deal to coke and dreary Pittsburgh.

JuJu could’ve done the same. Opted to return.

Steelers may look to build a team with some talent around them. Adams is as good as gone next season. I mean people keep saying with a QB, this team is a playoff contender. What’s the problem?

Compensation? Who cares? Give the Stafford deal plus a first rounder. The Rams are living proof that a quality veteran trumps the “upside of a rookie draft pick”. So three first rounders and a third round pick. Okay. Done deal. Team is a playoff team with a QB right?

I never said he was coming here but you continue to boast that there’s no chance when in actuality, there’s just as much a chance as going anywhere else. What makes the Raiders such a better option than the Steelers? Why would he go to snowy Denver? Is Denver a better franchise/weather opportunity than Pittsburgh? Vegas franchise and the heat better than Pittsburgh? The weather is a silly argument.

Why can’t the Steelers sign Adams and trade for Rodgers? Stop with the questions about the cap and how they could do that. Answer is always the same…if they want him, they’ll get him. Rodgers as a QB would have a big influence on Adams signing with that team. There’s always…ALWAYS ways to find cap space. They always do…

Like I said…it’s not in the Steelers M.O. to do any of this so the point is moot. But him coming here is just about the same as him going anywhere else or staying in Green Bay. There’s about 28 teams in play…lol. You don’t have to try to convince yourself…you’ve convinced yourself time and time again and have been wrong. Stop over analyzing it.

[Mojouw]

I just don't see the Browns (committed to a much younger Mayfield) or 49ers (Trey Lance pick) signing or even wanting Rodgers. Now if the Packers/49ers work a straight up trade Rodgers/Garoppolo then I could see him playing there next year if Trey Lance isn't ready but again, if I'm Rodgers I want to go somewhere for the next 2-3 years and Trey Lance isn't sitting around that long after what San Fran gave up to draft him.

As far as Canada if it takes him being fired to get Rodgers here (with Rodgers having input on who replaces Canada) then I do it in a heartbeat. Canada has 14 more games to prove he can at least beat/compete with inferior teams. The rest of the 2nd tier teams (Vikings, Giants, Dolphins, Broncos, Falcons, and Texans) that you listed have no where near our defense or offensive weapons that we could offer.

I'm telling you him coming here makes the most sense.

Don’t disagree with anything but the last part. Green Bay has a better top to bottom roster and offensive system. Plus Moore is a massive downgrade from Bakhtiri.

I think that Green Bay is the best place for Rodgers to compete for a SB. Except if their cap situation ($25 million over I think) drives a roster purge that’s irrecoverable.

If he was a straight up FA, then maybe. But with the draft assets and cap charge Rodgers comes with, Steelers would have a difficult time getting him any help. Especially if Rodgers demands that Adams gets signed as a FA.

[86WARD]

Don’t disagree with anything but the last part. Green Bay has a better top to bottom roster and offensive system. Plus Moore is a massive downgrade from Bakhtiri.

I think that Green Bay is the best place for Rodgers to compete for a SB. Except if their cap situation ($25 million over I think) drives a roster purge that’s irrecoverable.

If he was a straight up FA, then maybe. But with the draft assets and cap charge Rodgers comes with, Steelers would have a difficult time getting him any help. Especially if Rodgers demands that Adams gets signed as a FA.

Green Bay is the best place for Rodgers but without Adams and with the recent history, does he really want to be there? Sure doesn’t seem like it.

[Mojouw]

Green Bay is the best place for Rodgers but without Adams and with the recent history, does he really want to be there? Sure doesn’t seem like it.

Good points. Was reading that the Steelers could max their cap space at like $54 million. Rodgers and Adams agree to take up $45 million of that with new deals. Round out the roster with the other $9 million. Draft a guard in round 2?

[EzraTank]

Now you're coming around. If we don't talk about it here then it will not be possible because we all know the Steelers front office reads these forums! ;)

[Mojouw]

Now you're coming around. If we don't talk about it here then it will not be possible because we all know the Steelers front office reads these forums! ;)

I’ll give that it’s possible but not probable.

I know nothing useful about the 21 or 22 QB draft classes. But if I was GM, I’d pick my guy and then strip mine the roster for draft assets to make sure I got him.

[Drazo85]

Everything about Rodgers screams control and input. He thinks he earned that right in Green Bay and that he's deprived of it. Green Bay is the franchise most similar to Steelers on being stuck doing things their way, and not budging until someone like TJ comes. Maybe he's anomaly, maybe he changed the way Steelers work. I don't know, that pudding is not done yet. The main question is does Ben have input and control the Brady has in Tampa? If he does, Rodgers may be tempted to come, if not, there's not a lot of chance. Would I like it, hell yes. Do I think he's coming, hell no.

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[EzraTank]

Everything about Rodgers screams control and input. He thinks he earned that right in Green Bay and that he's deprived of it. Green Bay is the franchise most similar to Steelers on being stuck doing things their way, and not budging until someone like TJ comes. Maybe he's anomaly, maybe he changed the way Steelers work. I don't know, that pudding is not done yet. The main question is does Ben have input and control the Brady has in Tampa? If he does, Rodgers may be tempted to come, if not, there's not a lot of chance. Would I like it, hell yes. Do I think he's coming, hell no.

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I'd be willing to give him some decision control considering he's not going to be here more than 2-3 years.

[Steeler-in-west]

I’d be willing to guess the Steelers pickup a FA (like Maddox in 02) and let Rudolph compete with him for 22, then move up if need be and draft their guy a year later (like Ben in 03)

seems to be their blueprint- Rodgers is the outlier - if things come together

[Drazo85]

I'd be willing to give him some decision control considering he's not going to be here more than 2-3 years.You and I both. But that's not the issue. Question is whether the Steelers would do that. And I think they will not, but that doesn't mean I'm against that.

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[Fire Goodell]

Sam Howell? We might be bad enough this year to have a chance :chuckle:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZucxoAolVY

[DesertSteel]

Sam Howell? We might be bad enough this year to have a chance :chuckle:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZucxoAolVY
He’s Baker Mayfield 2.0.

[RunNGun]

Sam Howell? We might be bad enough this year to have a chance :chuckle:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZucxoAolVY

Howell doesn't have an elite arm, but it isn't by any means weak. He can make all of the throws. I love his pocket awareness and mobility. Reminds me a little of Baker Mayfield/Russell Wilson. I'd be excited to land Howell or Willis. Willis has more to prove, IMO, but if he puts it all together the sky is the limit.

[EzraTank]

He’s Baker Mayfield 2.0.

As long as he does cool commercials about Heinz Field, I'm in!

[DesertSteel]

I wonder, after today, if we could make a trade for Spencer Rattler? He's benched. Do we have anyone with NCAA eligibility left that we could use in the trade??

[86WARD]

I wonder, after today, if we could make a trade for Spencer Rattler? He's benched. Do we have anyone with NCAA eligibility left that we could use in the trade??

Benny Snell runs like he’s NCAA eligible.

[Shoes]

Benny Snell runs like he’s NCAA eligible.


1940 style. :chuckle:

[teegre]

I wonder, after today, if we could make a trade for Spencer Rattler? He's benched. Do we have anyone with NCAA eligibility left that we could use in the trade??

Nicely done

Joking aside, there NO WAY that I draft Rattler. Ever. Not in R1. Not in R7. I was so very wrong about him.

He is a total a$$hole. There are tapes surfacing of him screaming at his high school coaches and teammates. He is Ryan Leaf sans the actual production.

[86WARD]

It’s a shame. Such a good football name.

[Mojouw]

Nicely done

Joking aside, there NO WAY that I draft Rattler. Ever. Not in R1. Not in R7. I was so very wrong about him.

He is a total a$$hole. There are tapes surfacing of him screaming at his high school coaches and teammates. He is Ryan Leaf sans the actual production.

Ive only seen him play twice. Once last year and this weekend. I think he looks the part of the modern major general, but Lincoln Riley is more than a little responsible for his success. Whenever things don't go well, Rattler appears to crumble. Things often don't go well in the NFL.

Now, you are telling me their is off the field stuff? Hard pass.

[st33lersguy]

Spencer Rattler is going to be next April's Chad Kelly. A guy who was once thought of as a possible high draft pick who freefalls due to issues. Rattler will likely end up going in the 7th round because a coach is going to be like "F it, no one else left is better, might as well take the risk"

[EzraTank]

Those that wanted Sam Darnold ... he has SUCKED the last two weeks with 8 picks.

[teegre]

Watching our O-line (good day) and our corners (rough day) has me thinking that we need a CB more than a RG. Plus, the “value” might be a CB in R1. That said, Colbert isn’t good at drafting CBs. Ugh. I’m not sure. Anyway…

R1: CB
R2: RG (or C)
R3: Kenny Pickett, QB, Pitt

[Fire Goodell]

Those that wanted Sam Darnold ... he has SUCKED the last two weeks with 8 picks.

I woulda been all for Winston, he's hot and cold but when he's on, he's on

[hawaiiansteeler]

Those that wanted Sam Darnold ... he has SUCKED the last two weeks with 8 picks.

Darnold has thrown 5 picks the last two weeks, both losses.

but that is kinda like throwing 8 picks, you're gonna lose.

[DesertSteel]

Darnold and Carr both have come back to earth after hot starts to the season.

[silver & black]

Darnold and Carr both have come back to earth after hot starts to the season.

Kind of hard to blame Carr when the O line sucks and receivers are dropping g balls. I think you might know a little about that problem.

[Shoes]

Kind of hard to blame Carr when the O line sucks and receivers are dropping g balls. I think you might know a little about that problem.


:chuckle:

[vasteeler]

Kind of hard to blame Carr when the O line sucks and receivers are dropping g balls. I think you might know a little about that problem.

Lol... This board has no problem blaming or own QB for the same issues.

[Buckinnuts]

Future..qb....Kenny Pickett!

[DesertSteel]

Lol... This board has no problem blaming or own QB for the same issues.
Yeah Ben is bad because of the o line and drops.

[teegre]

There goes my plan. Kenny Pickett is no longer going to ge available on Day 2. If we want him, it’ll have to be R1.

[teegre]

Steelers scouts were seen watching Grayson McCall (Coastal Carolina).

[86WARD]

Sam Darnold? lol.

[EzraTank]

Steelers scouts were seen watching Grayson McCall (Coastal Carolina).

Coastal Carolina? LOL.

[DesertSteel]

Coastal Carolina? LOL.
Yeah they were the 14th ranked team in the country until they lost their last game. They also finished in the top 25 last year.

[86WARD]

Coastal Carolina? LOL.

It’s not unheard of for a small school QB to succeed in the NFL.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Yeah they were the 14th ranked team in the country until they lost their last game. They also finished in the top 25 last year. Been watching a lot of them the last two years cause they came through for me betting except for last week. That said I don't like him as a pro QB and doubt he does good in the NFL.

[DesertSteel]

It’s not unheard of for a small school QB to succeed in the NFL.
I heard that some guy from Miami, Ohio did pretty well.

[Steeler-in-west]

Darnold and Carr both have come back to earth after hot starts to the season.

I don’t know what’s happening to Darnold, I’ll I know is he’s following a long list of highly touted SC QB’s who have failed at the pro level - the only one who had ‘some’ success was Carson Palmer. Maybe the SC system is just good at hiding the QB’s flaws.

[steelreserve]

I don’t know what’s happening to Darnold, I’ll I know is he’s following a long list of highly touted SC QB’s who have failed at the pro level - the only one who had ‘some’ success was Carson Palmer. Maybe the SC system is just good at hiding the QB’s flaws.

How many pro receivers come out of USC? Seems like they've always got a couple that turn out more successful than the quarterback. Maybe that has something to do with it ...

[86WARD]

I don’t know what’s happening to Darnold, I’ll I know is he’s following a long list of highly touted SC QB’s who have failed at the pro level - the only one who had ‘some’ success was Carson Palmer. Maybe the SC system is just good at hiding the QB’s flaws.

If you listened to Darnold in interviews before the draft, you got the feeling that he didn’t know the game. I still stand by that thought that he just doesn’t get it. He’s got some physical talent, but he doesn’t have the mental capacity or the “it factor” that QBs have.

[teegre]

How many pro receivers come out of USC? Seems like they've always got a couple that turn out more successful than the quarterback. Maybe that has something to do with it ...

Bingo!!! Kedon Slovis looked like the next great QB… until people realized he was simply tossing the ball anywhere near Drake London (6’5” 210) and hoping London would come down with the reception. If Jaxton Dart hadn’t been injured, Slovis would already have been benched.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Kenny Pickett ranked No. 1 QB in NFL draft by Mel Kiper Jr.

Kiper: “Pickett is making a leap not unlike Joe Burrow’s from two seasons ago.”

By Mike Wilson Oct 26, 2021

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. released his 2022 NFL draft rankings on Tuesday, and he placed Pitt quarterback Kenny Pickett atop his list of available signal-callers. And in addition to ranking Pickett No. 1 among draft-ready quarterbacks, Kiper also ranked him No. 15 overall among 2022 NFL draft prospects.

“Pickett is making a leap not unlike Joe Burrow’s from two seasons ago,” Kiper said. “After his impressive performance against Clemson, I’m ready to put him on my Big Board. The fifth-year senior has been tremendous this season, completing 68.9 percent of his passes with 23 touchdowns and just one interception. He ranks third in the country in QBR (88.1). He has 18 career rushing touchdowns. Pickett was up and down the past two seasons, throwing 18 picks and averaging 6.9 yards per attempt. He’s up to 9.2 this season. He is accurate to all three levels of the field, has shown patience in taking the checkdown throws when necessary and has good zip on his throws. Offensive coordinator Mark Whipple has done a great job with Pickett’s development.”

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[DesertSteel]

tiny hands

tiny

[teegre]

tiny hands

tiny

…smells like cabbage…

[Fire Goodell]

If you listened to Darnold in interviews before the draft, you got the feeling that he didn’t know the game. I still stand by that thought that he just doesn’t get it. He’s got some physical talent, but he doesn’t have the mental capacity or the “it factor” that QBs have.

Sam "Seeing Ghosts" Darnold

Honestly I'd take Mason Rudolph over him, dude is sad

[EzraTank]

Yes but could he get used to living in Pittsburgh and how would he adjust to playing at Heinz field.

[Steeler-in-west]

All this is assuming this is Ben’s last year. Ben could have a sort of resurgent second half of the season and decide to come back for one last year. I wouldn’t rule it out.

[86WARD]

Sam "Seeing Ghosts" Darnold

Honestly I'd take Mason Rudolph over him, dude is sad

I would also take what the Steelers have over Darnold…

[DesertSteel]

All this is assuming this is Ben’s last year. Ben could have a sort of resurgent second half of the season and decide to come back for one last year. I wouldn’t rule it out.
I just read a stat that said Ben has only completed 2 passes that traveled more than 15 yards -- ALL SEASON. That's 2 passes in 6 games! He might need a resurrection, not a resurgence.

[Steeler-in-west]

I just read a stat that said Ben has only completed 2 passes that traveled more than 15 yards -- ALL SEASON. That's 2 passes in 6 games! He might need a resurrection, not a resurgence.

didn’t realize that. This is who he is now. Still 10 percent chance maybe. Or as Tomlin would say, never say never….

[Fire Goodell]

I just read a stat that said Ben has only completed 2 passes that traveled more than 15 yards -- ALL SEASON. That's 2 passes in 6 games! He might need a resurrection, not a resurgence.

Those must have been the 2 opening drive TD passes to DJ lol

[86WARD]

I just read a stat that said Ben has only completed 2 passes that traveled more than 15 yards -- ALL SEASON. That's 2 passes in 6 games! He might need a resurrection, not a resurgence.

That’s not true. Pass to Johnson in Green Bay Game, Pass to Johnson Broncos game, TD pass to Claypool Broncos game. That’s at least three…lol

[EzraTank]

He's toast, every pundit across the board can clearly see that. If the front office brings him back next year that's a crime and completely against what they have always done.

[DesertSteel]

That’s not true. Pass to Johnson in Green Bay Game, Pass to Johnson Broncos game, TD pass to Claypool Broncos game. That’s at least three…lol

Got the info straight from the legend, Dave Bryan at Steelers Depot. Did the ball travel more than 15 yards in the air in your examples?

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/10/steelers-oc-matt-canada-addresses-unit-being-last-in-nfl-in-1st-down-yardage-average/

https://i.postimg.cc/7Lj8Nwkr/Screenshot-at-Oct-29-12-18-48.png

[86WARD]

Got the info straight from the legend, Dave Bryan at Steelers Depot. Did the ball travel more than 15 yards in the air in your examples?

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/10/steelers-oc-matt-canada-addresses-unit-being-last-in-nfl-in-1st-down-yardage-average/

https://i.postimg.cc/7Lj8Nwkr/Screenshot-at-Oct-29-12-18-48.png

Lol. Probably tried to write something on his own for once…

Not blaming you for the bad info.

[DesertSteel]

Lol. Probably tried to write something on his own for once…

Not blaming you for the bad info.
That's a first. You can usually trust his info since he steals it off credible sources.

[Mojouw]

The charts are here. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/pass/pittsburgh-steelers/2021/week

Bryant's counting is off or the NFL gamebooks are counting things differently than the pictures above.

[DesertSteel]

We shall see what kind of QB Jordan Love is this Sunday.

[teegre]

The Steelers scouts (and literally 15 others teams’ scouts) were watching Willis vs. Corral.

[hawaiiansteeler]

The Steelers scouts (and literally 15 others teams’ scouts) were watching Willis vs. Corral.

Willis did not look good with 3 ints:

https://www.si.com/college/olemiss/football/ole-miss-matt-corral-nfl-scouts-impressed-liberty-malik-willis-victory-sec-football-news

[Rotorhead]

We shall see what kind of QB Jordan Love is this Sunday.

Not so good it seems

[DesertSteel]

Not so good it seems
Yeah that was NOT impressive!

[86WARD]

Not so good it seems

Packers may be rethinking how they treat Rodgers going forward…lol.

[teegre]

During last night’s broadcast, they talked about how Tomlin was well aware of Canada when Canada was the coach at Pitt… and then, the Steelers “suddenly” acquired him.

This leads me to believe that Colbert is well aware of Kenny Pickett… and will “suddenly” acquire him.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

During last night’s broadcast, they talked about how Tomlin was well aware of Canada when Canada was the coach at Pitt… and then, the Steelers “suddenly” acquired him.

This leads me to believe that Colbert is well aware of Kenny Pickett… and will “suddenly” acquire him.

Maybe Pickett will be gone already.

I think Steeler fans will love Sam Howell.

[teegre]

Maybe Pickett will be gone already.

I think Steeler fans will love Sam Howell.

True… Pickett will be gone by 32. :wink02:

Speaking of Pickett & Howell, Colbert is watching the Pitt-UNC game closely (in person) along with two other members of his scouting staff.

[Dreegking]

Pickett could be a decent choice.

Weird feeling but I think the Steelers will come in the back door to trade for an available Tugs out of Miami in the office season. A perfect fit for a Canada offense. I think a 2 and a 4 will might get it done. Maybe an2 and a 3. By not playing him that is depreciating his value.

[DesertSteel]

Pickett's hands are 8 1/4". That's like a middle school girl's.

[Fire Goodell]

Pickett's hands are 8 1/4". That's like a middle school girl's.

Dave Krieg hands lol

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Pickett and the other top pick QB both didn't look good tonight and not sold on either. I watch the game. Okay but neither to lose sleep about.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Pickett's hands are 8 1/4". That's like a middle school girl's.

that's definitely going to be an issue for a lot of NFL teams considering drafting him.

[Hawkman]

that's definitely going to be an issue for a lot of NFL teams considering drafting him.

Probably not going to see many “pump fakes”! Ben is one of the all time best.

[DesertSteel]

Disregard all my previous comments. We have the answer in the building.

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-sign-qb-james-morgan-to-practice-squad/

[DesertSteel]

I will get the chance to watch Bailey Zappe on Saturday when Western Kentucky plays Marshall. He's a sleeper that's climbing the ranks. He leads the nation with 4,640 yards and 48 TDs through 11 games. That's an average of 422 yards and 4.36 TDs a game.

He put up 488 yards against Michigan State this year.

[Fire Goodell]

Disregard all my previous comments. We have the answer in the building.

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers-sign-qb-james-morgan-to-practice-squad/

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that's definitely going to be an issue for a lot of NFL teams considering drafting him.

Dave Krieg had small hands and had a pretty good career

[Dwinsgames]

Pickett's hands are 8 1/4". That's like a middle school girl's.

if there are no issues with ball security in College then likely similar results in NFL as the ball size is damn near identical ( ncaa tolerances are a little more liberal ) the only real difference is one ball is a pebbled grain and the other is not so unless you believe those pebbles are responsible for ball security one would believe results should be similar ( not that I am for this move )

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Dave Krieg had small hands and had a pretty good career


Dave Krieg ( I believe ) is the record holder for NFL QB fumbles ....

Just sayin


** edit just fact checked my statement and Krieg WAS at one time the leader ( 153 fumbles ) but has since been surpassed by 2 others ....

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/fumbles_career.htm

[86WARD]

Pickett's hands are 8 1/4". That's like a middle school girl's.

There are articles that say Mike Vick was 8.5. Mahomes and Burrow are on the smaller side as well. Not 8 1/4 small…

I wonder how accurate those 8.25 reports are…

Large hands didn’t help Jim Drunkenmiller at over 11”

[Fire Goodell]

Dave Krieg ( I believe ) is the record holder for NFL QB fumbles ....

Just sayin


** edit just fact checked my statement and Krieg WAS at one time the leader ( 153 fumbles ) but has since been surpassed by 2 others ....

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/fumbles_career.htm

He wasn't a perfect QB but he was good from what I remember.

Also there's certain variables like having to play against all-world pass rushers like Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith twice a year. There was one game where Thomas sacked him 7 times to tie the NFL single game record, though the Chiefs still lost that game because Krieg tossed a 20 yard TD pass as time expired, it was a hell of a game lol.

[teegre]

I will get the chance to watch Bailey Zappe on Saturday when Western Kentucky plays Marshall. He's a sleeper that's climbing the ranks. He leads the nation with 4,640 yards and 48 TDs through 11 games. That's an average of 422 yards and 4.36 TDs a game.

He put up 488 yards against Michigan State this year.

Are you going back to Huntington for the game/for Thanksgiving?

(Say “Hi” to my uncle… he’ll be the one wearing green.)

[Craic]

if there are no issues with ball security in College then likely similar results in NFL as the ball size is damn near identical ( ncaa tolerances are a little more liberal ) the only real difference is one ball is a pebbled grain and the other is not so unless you believe those pebbles are responsible for ball security one would believe results should be similar ( not that I am for this move )

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Dave Krieg ( I believe ) is the record holder for NFL QB fumbles ....

Just sayin


** edit just fact checked my statement and Krieg WAS at one time the leader ( 153 fumbles ) but has since been surpassed by 2 others ....

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/fumbles_career.htm

Yep, but most of those came from stripsacks due to holes in the line.

[Fire Goodell]

Yep, but most of those came from stripsacks due to holes in the line.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=which+qb+has+been+sacked+the+most+times+all-time

by the time he retired he was also either the #1 or #2 most sacked QB of all-time so that was definitely a factor. You're going to fumble more when you get hit more

[DesertSteel]

I will get the chance to watch Bailey Zappe on Saturday when Western Kentucky plays Marshall. He's a sleeper that's climbing the ranks. He leads the nation with 4,640 yards and 48 TDs through 11 games. That's an average of 422 yards and 4.36 TDs a game.

He put up 488 yards against Michigan State this year.


Zappe threw for 577 last night.

Season: 5545 yards and 56 TDs/ 11 INTs

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Pickett look good tonight and all is said and done probably be a top 10 pick of the coming draft.

[Dwinsgames]

Zappe threw for 577 last night.

Season: 5545 yards and 56 TDs/ 11 INTs


gaudy stats for sure ............

[stillers4me]

1467364248422653955

[Mojouw]

Zappe threw for 577 last night.

Season: 5545 yards and 56 TDs/ 11 INTs

Does he look like he has an NFL level arm? Or is he Duck Hodges 2.0? Never seen him play. Curious.

[Dwinsgames]

Does he look like he has an NFL level arm? Or is he Duck Hodges 2.0? Never seen him play. Curious.

looks better than Duck from what little I have seen and has a set of wheels ... he doesn't have a cannon tho but he does seem to have good ball placement and the ability to hit his man in stride ( something we have lacked around here for more than a few years )

[Rotorhead]

Minshew is leading the Eagles with 2 TD throws at halftime . . .

[Mojouw]

looks better than Duck from what little I have seen and has a set of wheels ... he doesn't have a cannon tho but he does seem to have good ball placement and the ability to hit his man in stride ( something we have lacked around here for more than a few years )

That sounds reasonable. Pickett doesn’t have a big arm either.

[DesertSteel]

Minshew is leading the Eagles with 2 TD throws at halftime . . .
I've been on the Minshew bandwagon since his rookie year. He's a playmaker. His story is why you don't see QBs developed. GMs have too much ego to let a late round pick excel over a high draft pick because it looks bad on the GM. I'm sure the Redskins QB, Heineke will meet with the same fate.

[teegre]

R1: OC
R2: DT
R3: CB
R3: Zappe???

btw: Zappe is only four TDs behind Burrow for the TD record (60)… and Zappe has two more games yet to play. Blah, blah, blah… level of competition. Forget all that. If you can play, you can play.

[Mojouw]

R1: OC
R2: DT
R3: CB
R3: Zappe???

btw: Zappe is only four TDs behind Burrow for the TD record (60)… and Zappe has two more games yet to play. Blah, blah, blah… level of competition. Forget all that. If you can play, you can play.

Devlin "Duck" Hodges would disagree. The NFL is super-duper hard. The physical barrier to entry is extreme. There is a point where you just have to be tall enough to ride this ride. Maybe Zappe is? But there are a lot of questions beyond stats to be answered.

[Rotorhead]

R1: OC
R2: DT
R3: CB
R3: Zappe???

btw: Zappe is only four TDs behind Burrow for the TD record (60)… and Zappe has two more games yet to play. Blah, blah, blah… level of competition. Forget all that. If you can play, you can play.

Looks like a good draft to me, along with a FA OL. Getting Zappe late in the third, if he can turn into a solid QB would be great.

[Dwinsgames]

Devlin "Duck" Hodges would disagree. The NFL is super-duper hard. The physical barrier to entry is extreme. There is a point where you just have to be tall enough to ride this ride. Maybe Zappe is? But there are a lot of questions beyond stats to be answered.

we just can't afford to paint with that broad of a brush or we would have been without Big Ben ...

others that fit that list could be McNair ,Phil Simms , Culpepper ,Wentz ,Warner , Pennington , Romo , leftwich , Rich Gannon, Ken Obrien , Alex Smith , Case Kenum , Kellen Moore , Trey Lance ?? , Garoppolo , Doug Williams , Flacco , Fitzpatrick , Stan Humphries , Ken Obrien , Taveris Jackson , Josh McCown , and I am sure I missed some guys along the way but believe my point as been soundly made ,,, now that isnt to say Zappe is the next guy but I sure as hell wouldnt rule it out either ... where is that artist brush when ya need it

[Mojouw]

we just can't afford to paint with that broad of a brush or we would have been without Big Ben ...

others that fit that list could be McNair ,Phil Simms , Culpepper ,Wentz ,Warner , Pennington , Romo , leftwich , Rich Gannon, Ken Obrien , Alex Smith , Case Kenum , Kellen Moore , Trey Lance ?? , Garoppolo , Doug Williams , Flacco , Fitzpatrick , Stan Humphries , Ken Obrien , Taveris Jackson , Josh McCown , and I am sure I missed some guys along the way but believe my point as been soundly made ,,, now that isnt to say Zappe is the next guy but I sure as hell wouldnt rule it out either ... where is that artist brush when ya need it

Absolutely. Again, I’ve not made my point with clarity. I couldn’t care less where a guy plays. Doesn’t bother me at all. But I do need to see him process at NFL warp speed and make NFL level throws. Until someone demonstrates those two traits, hard to get excited.

[DesertSteel]

https://i.postimg.cc/d3mRDdFK/5-B100854-A295-46-C2-9365-DB84-ADC5-EA37.png

[Rotorhead]

I keep seeing Pickett mocked to us also.

[Buckinnuts]

hope that history dont repeat itself by letting a Pitt QB go by!!!!!!!

[Mojouw]

I keep thinking that Pickett is the meteoric rise of Joe Burrow with Cousin's need to play with a lead and a dash of Andy Dalton's arm all rolled into one inflated package.

I think that package will go "poof" in the NFL.

But I get AT LEAST one QB prospect wrong every year. Either convinced a guy will succeed (Lynch, Paxton) or convinced a guy will fail (Herbert, Justin). Like just certain of it. And then reality happens and I am reminded, again, that I know nothing.

[CV1]

hope that history dont repeat itself by letting a Pitt QB go by!!!!!!!

Man, imagine if Marino was a Steeler; my goodness [emoji1787]


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[DesertSteel]

I keep thinking that Pickett is the meteoric rise of Joe Burrow with Cousin's need to play with a lead and a dash of Andy Dalton's arm all rolled into one inflated package.

I think that package will go "poof" in the NFL.

But I get AT LEAST one QB prospect wrong every year. Either convinced a guy will succeed (Lynch, Paxton) or convinced a guy will fail (Herbert, Justin). Like just certain of it. And then reality happens and I am reminded, again, that I know nothing.

Seems that only HOF quarterbacks get a sniff of interest from you. Dalton went to 3 Pro Bowls, Cousins 2 (possibly a 3rd this year) and Burrow will likely go to multiple Pro Bowls. But a combination of 5+ Pro Bowls for a new Steelers QB is just a "poof."

Let's hope and wish for the next Joe Montana!

[Mojouw]

Seems that only HOF quarterbacks get a sniff of interest from you. Dalton went to 3 Pro Bowls, Cousins 2 (possibly a 3rd this year) and Burrow will likely go to multiple Pro Bowls. But a combination of 5+ Pro Bowls for a new Steelers QB is just a "poof."

Let's hope and wish for the next Joe Montana!

I mean I just have a hard time getting super excited about a QB that looked like a back-up at best for 4 years. Then in his bonus college season looks like he figured it out. I mean he better have -- he should know more than everyone he is playing against. That advantage goes away in the NFL.

What is Pickett's skill that separates him from, well, anyone really? I don't watch hardly any college football but from what I see on highlights and read about, it is reads and familiarity in system. That is hardly a scouting report on a guy that is going to go on the road into a hostile AFC stadium in late December and carry a team to a key division win.

And, seriously, now we are holding up Dalton as something? What? A guy that had every support you could want in a roster and was still regularly clowned on by this very board as an over-hyped imposter at QB. I mean do you remember playing those Bengal teams and being like..."well crap, Dalton might be really hard to stop and just carve the Steelers up." I don't.

If my team is going to draft a QB in the first round, I have zero interest in a guy that tops out as the 12th best QB in the league. A good coordinator can drag some 4th round pick to that for a season or two. Take a guy in the first round, he better be able to walk off the bus, call a play in the huddle, and just make an NFL defense look dumb. Because that is what it takes to win a SB these days.

[86WARD]

I mean I just have a hard time getting super excited about a QB that looked like a back-up at best for 4 years. Then in his bonus college season looks like he figured it out. I mean he better have -- he should know more than everyone he is playing against. That advantage goes away in the NFL.

What is Pickett's skill that separates him from, well, anyone really? I don't watch hardly any college football but from what I see on highlights and read about, it is reads and familiarity in system. That is hardly a scouting report on a guy that is going to go on the road into a hostile AFC stadium in late December and carry a team to a key division win.

And, seriously, now we are holding up Dalton as something? What? A guy that had every support you could want in a roster and was still regularly clowned on by this very board as an over-hyped imposter at QB. I mean do you remember playing those Bengal teams and being like..."well crap, Dalton might be really hard to stop and just carve the Steelers up." I don't.

If my team is going to draft a QB in the first round, I have zero interest in a guy that tops out as the 12th best QB in the league. A good coordinator can drag some 4th round pick to that for a season or two. Take a guy in the first round, he better be able to walk off the bus, call a play in the huddle, and just make an NFL defense look dumb. Because that is what it takes to win a SB these days.

I agree 100%. But this kinda goes back to the bridge QB. I know it's not something you want to do but in this situation, I see no QB in this draft that I would like to grab but if I can get a good Center or maybe sure up the O-Line and get a good CB in the draft, get a free agent or two that is solid, wouldn't a Kirk Cousins or Andy Dalton type (or worst case Mason Rudolph) at least keep this team competing and who knows, maybe they catch fire in a bottle and win it (see Nick Foles and the Eagles)?

[DesertSteel]

I think we should just stick with Mason Rudolph for 2-3 years until the fan base really wants a quarterback that’s good, if not great.

[Mojouw]

I agree 100%. But this kinda goes back to the bridge QB. I know it's not something you want to do but in this situation, I see no QB in this draft that I would like to grab but if I can get a good Center or maybe sure up the O-Line and get a good CB in the draft, get a free agent or two that is solid, wouldn't a Kirk Cousins or Andy Dalton type (or worst case Mason Rudolph) at least keep this team competing and who knows, maybe they catch fire in a bottle and win it (see Nick Foles and the Eagles)?

Rudolph is fine for 2022. I have no problem with that. But signing Cousins for 30+ million -- because why would he take less than he is already earning -- so the Steelers can do what? Struggle the same way the Vikings have? I mean it isn't like the 2022 Steelers roster will be a juggernaut and the 2021/22 Vikings are just talent deficient. We can reasonably assume the outcome with Cousins on the 2022 Steelers. It basically looks like the Vikings the last two seasons. Where does that get you? Needing improvements to make noise in the playoffs and lacking the draft and cap resources to do go make those improvements.

I am totally fine with Rudolph in 2022. Go get your other OL pieces. A LB and a DB or three. Maybe add at WR. Sign some guys to second NFL contracts in the FA market. Build out your depth. Then add the QB as the missing piece in 2023. A solid plan that has worked before. Just don't make the mistake of signing a "bridge" QB and getting caught in the quagmire of "maybe this is all we need to compete" for 4 seasons or whatever.

One year. Dude gets one year. And then move the heck on.

[86WARD]

Rudolph is fine for 2022. I have no problem with that. But signing Cousins for 30+ million -- because why would he take less than he is already earning -- so the Steelers can do what? Struggle the same way the Vikings have? I mean it isn't like the 2022 Steelers roster will be a juggernaut and the 2021/22 Vikings are just talent deficient. We can reasonably assume the outcome with Cousins on the 2022 Steelers. It basically looks like the Vikings the last two seasons. Where does that get you? Needing improvements to make noise in the playoffs and lacking the draft and cap resources to do go make those improvements.

I am totally fine with Rudolph in 2022. Go get your other OL pieces. A LB and a DB or three. Maybe add at WR. Sign some guys to second NFL contracts in the FA market. Build out your depth. Then add the QB as the missing piece in 2023. A solid plan that has worked before. Just don't make the mistake of signing a "bridge" QB and getting caught in the quagmire of "maybe this is all we need to compete" for 4 seasons or whatever.

One year. Dude gets one year. And then move the heck on.

If they do well with the new pieces, then you may not have a chance at drafting the next guy…

[Mojouw]

If they do well with the new pieces, then you may not have a chance at drafting the next guy…

And that is the biggest problem with the whole "bridge QB" thing. Where does it lead to? Too often it leads to 3-5 years stuck in the "Jeff Fisher Zone" winning just enough to not be able to draft a QB and not enough to really convince anyone that you are actually able to contend for anything.

It is a dangerous gamble. Because it wastes time and often cap space. Time on the careers and developmental clocks of your other pieces. And eats up cap space you could've spent on that shiny CB instead of Random Veteran Caretaker QB.

Honestly, I truly would rather play Rudolph or Haskins or insert some young high upside but low percentage reclamation project here than say...Teddy Bridgewater.

Take a look at the 2021 Broncos. They are not that different from the 2020 Broncos. Now...what is the Broncos path to getting better in 2022? I have no idea. Do they? Most observers say they are trying to make sure they are in the Aaron Rodgers sweepstakes. A sweepstakes that increasingly looks like it never gets started. Who knows. But they don't really have a clear path forward. But they are sure that it isn't with Teddy Bridgewater. So what the heck did Bridgewater do for the franchise in 2020? What was the point? It was a totally wasted season.

[Buckinnuts]

Man, imagine if Marino was a Steeler; my goodness [emoji1787]


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Exactly...not saying Pickett is like Marino...but passing records are records...all to much dejavu going on

[Buckinnuts]

Bridgewater, cousins,rg3,Dalton..haven't really impressed many in my book..but...Who was Big Ben when drafted.....never thought that he would of took us to a championship playoff..let alone be 14-1 his rookie year...then win S.B NEXT...Time will tell...

[Fire Goodell]

Man, imagine if Marino was a Steeler; my goodness [emoji1787]


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Or if we drafted Tom Brady instead of Tee Martin :chuckle:

[CV1]

Or if we drafted Tom Brady instead of Tee Martin :chuckle:

Yeah, as much as having Marino and or Brady drafted as a Steeler, it’s only what they have done with the teams they played for that is so appealing… this isn’t to say they’d have the same career achievements… but it’s always rad to think they would.


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[Steeler-in-west]

Or if we drafted Tom Brady instead of Tee Martin :chuckle:

who knows if the steelers would've kept Brady, they got rid of Unitas after all.....

[DesertSteel]

who knows if the steelers would've kept Brady, they got rid of Unitas after all.....
And Len Dawson.

[teegre]

Colbert has been scouting almost every QB in this draft class. It would not surprise me in the least if a QB was drafted in R1.

That said, I could just as easily see the Steelers sticking with Rudolph (for a year) while solidifying their O-line and D-line with their first two picks.

[86WARD]

Colbert has been scouting almost every QB in this draft class. It would not surprise me in the least if a QB was drafted in R1.

That said, I could just as easily see the Steelers sticking with Rudolph (for a year) while solidifying their O-line and D-line with their first two picks.

Draft a QB and then still stuck with Rudolph…

[Fire Goodell]

Draft a QB and then still stuck with Rudolph…

So Rudolph is basically Mike Tomczak lol. Cept when he was our starter we had an all-world defense.

[DesertSteel]

Draft a QB and then still stuck with Rudolph…
Go with Rudolph in ‘22 and you might get the #1 overall pick in ‘23.

[Fire Goodell]

Go with Rudolph in ‘22 and you might get the #1 overall pick in ‘23.

worth it if we can get the next peyton manning lol

[Steeler-in-west]

Go with Rudolph in ‘22 and you might get the #1 overall pick in ‘23.

Its not that bad of an idea if we don't see a good QB in the draft and don't get anywhere in the Rodgers sweepstakes. Sign a veteran FA QB for a year or two to backup Rudolph and bolster the o line and D in the draft. Rudolph either does well or we get a top pick in 23 to get our QB.

[Rotorhead]

Sign Minshew for 2-3 years and rebuild the rest through the draft and FA, and maybe he can make a run. He seems to have that it factor every time I saw him play and he brings some good energy. We definitely have a better team than the Jags when he was winning there.

[Fire Goodell]

I would be down with Minshew. Honestly I don' tunderstand why he got so much hate, he definitely was playing better than Trevor Lawrence who was supposed to be their savior. The Jagoffs are just a dumpster fire and nobody would be successful with them. Minshew really never had a fair chance imo.