The Future QB of the Steelers is...

[teegre]

Watching highlights of the Texans game got me thinking...

The Texans have surrounded Deshaun Watson with absolutely nothing. Ergo, once again, they are picking in the top 5... with a bunch of QBs available. Also, the Texans are desperate for draft picks. They could unload Watson’s contract, and use that money to sign free agents to surround the (inexpensive) rookie QB. Plus, by trading Watson, they could recoup a bunch of draft picks. As in:

Colbert could trade our ENTIRE draft to the Texans in exchange for Deshaun Watson.

It is a win-win.

With Watson having so many years left on his deal, Khan could easily push that money down the road (in order to keep TJ, Hilton, and JuJu).

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Watching highlights of the Texans game got me thinking...

The Texans have surrounded Deshaun Watson with absolutely nothing. Ergo, once again, they are picking in the top 5... with a bunch of QBs available. Also, the Texans are desperate for draft picks. They could unload Watson’s contract, and use that money to sign free agents to surround the (inexpensive) rookie QB. Plus, by trading Watson, they could recoup a bunch of draft picks. As in:

Colbert could trade our ENTIRE draft to the Texans in exchange for Deshaun Watson.

It is a win-win.

With Watson having so many years left on his deal, Khan could easily push that money down the road (in order to keep TJ, Hilton, and JuJu).

I like him but no thanks Mike Ditka!

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Serious sooner trade the whole draft for Trevor! If you are going to that extreme get the better Clemson QB.

[Drazo85]

Watching highlights of the Texans game got me thinking...

The Texans have surrounded Deshaun Watson with absolutely nothing. Ergo, once again, they are picking in the top 5... with a bunch of QBs available. Also, the Texans are desperate for draft picks. They could unload Watson’s contract, and use that money to sign free agents to surround the (inexpensive) rookie QB. Plus, by trading Watson, they could recoup a bunch of draft picks. As in:

Colbert could trade our ENTIRE draft to the Texans in exchange for Deshaun Watson.

It is a win-win.

With Watson having so many years left on his deal, Khan could easily push that money down the road (in order to keep TJ, Hilton, and JuJu).

Texans first rounder belongs to Dolphins this year because of the Tunsil trade.

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[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Ps. Watson has been a bum lately!

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

This isn't going to happen but if you retain Ben do you keep Trevor on the Bench all season ?

[teegre]

Texans first rounder belongs to Dolphins this year because of the Tunsil trade.

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That’s right.

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Ps. Watson has been a bum lately!

2nd in passing yards
3rd in completion percentage
2nd in passer rating

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Serious sooner trade the whole draft for Trevor! If you are going to that extreme get the better Clemson QB.

If the Jaguars would do it, I’m game. But, a top tier QB on his rookie contract would require a LOT more to acquire. Whereas, the Texans are being hamstrung from BoB’s crappy trades (i.e. they need draft picks plus cap space).

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Heck you are talking about trading our whole draft! That could actually get it done for Trevor! Again sooner give it up for him and am a fan of Watson! None will happen of course!

[teegre]

Heck you are talking about trading our whole draft! That could actually get it done for Trevor! Again sooner give it up for him and am a fan of Watson! None will happen of course!

Let’s say we fizzle out of the playoffs... and pick 20th. That is roughly 1600 points for ALL of our picks. The first overall is worth 3000. (Not enough to move up to #1.)

And, Yes, if I could get Watson for all of our picks, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Most drafts, teams are lucky to walk away with a starter, a good backup, a decent backup, and a special teamer... because, most draft picks fizzle out. We gave up a R1 & a R2 for an ILB. I’d say throwing in a R3 (decent backup) and camp fodder (R4-R7) would be worth it.

QB > ILB

I know, I know: there’s always a Tom Brady or an AB in those later-rounds. True, but only one per draft. I’d give up that chance (at striking gold) in order to have a young, proven franchise QB.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Let’s say we fizzle out of the playoffs... and pick 20th. That is roughly 1600 points for ALL of our picks. The first overall is worth 3000. (Not enough to move up to #1.)

And, Yes, if I could get Watson for all of our picks, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Most drafts, teams are lucky to walk away with a starter, a good backup, a decent backup, and a special teamer... because, most draft picks fizzle out. We gave up a R1 & a R2 for an ILB. I’d say throwing in a R3 (decent backup) and camp fodder (R4-R7) would be worth it.

QB > ILB

I know, I know: there’s always a Tom Brady or an AB in those later-rounds. True, but only one per draft. I’d give up that chance (at striking gold) in order to have a young, proven franchise QB.

I get it but don't think Watson is worth all that and I do like him.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Task looks like hot dog poo tonight and don't want him.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Oops I didn't know his 4 wr's are out and wouldn't have bet on them as well.

[st33lersguy]

Watson is a good option, it's likely though that he's not for sale.

[Born2Steel]

The entire draft for any current QB is a terrible idea, IMO. Too much need at CB, OL, RB, possibly TE and OLB too. Steelers need another big draft this year. Ben is back next season to try for 2 in a row and #4 of 5. QB is a need but not at the expense of the team.

[teegre]

The entire draft for any current QB is a terrible idea, IMO. Too much need at CB, OL, RB, possibly TE and OLB too. Steelers need another big draft this year. Ben is back next season to try for 2 in a row and #4 of 5. QB is a need but not at the expense of the team.

I disagree. When I look at most draft classes, even the good draft classes like the 2017 draft, you only have four players who make the team. I can see your point in getting Watt, JuJu, Conner, and Sutton. But, those draft classes are very rare.

Whereas, the 2015, 2016 and 2018 draft classes are more what routinely occurs. I’d trade any of those draft classes for a franchise QB. Last season was a perfect indicator of how limited a team can be when every position EXCEPT for the QB is loaded. As in: I’d take two (even three) less starters at other positions in exchange for a franchise QB.

I thought of Watson, because...
a) he’s young
b) he’s stuck on a terrible team
c) his current team needs draft picks

Maybe Stafford is a more “realistic” QB for whom to trade, but he’s also six years older (making his contract harder to spread out & defer).

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Teegre Why not throw our whole draft to the Jags if they will take it ? I'd sooner have Lawrence then Watson. Would be happy with either though.

[teegre]

Teegre Why not throw our whole draft to the Jags if they will take it ? I'd sooner have Lawrence then Watson. Would be happy with either though.

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Let’s say we fizzle out of the playoffs... and pick 20th. That is roughly 1600 points for ALL of our picks. The first overall is worth 3000. (Not enough to move up to #1.)

[katmandu]

Let’s say we fizzle out of the playoffs... and pick 20th. That is roughly 1600 points for ALL of our picks. The first overall is worth 3000. (Not enough to move up to #1.)

What are these points you speak of ??

[teegre]

What are these points you speak of ??

It’s a draft trade-value chart. It was started by Jimmy Johnson in the early 90s as a way to figure out how much a team should give up in order to trade up up in the draft.

[Dwinsgames]

my biggest issue with the talk of trading a entire draft class for Watson is we do not know Bens intentions ....

a entire draft class sounds like a lot but look what teams trade away for the top pick 2 and a couple seconds and more .... Watson is a proven commodity thus easily worth a draft class , actually worth that and the next years 1st ... the old saying a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush ... you could draft a QB in the first round the next 10 drafts and not get one as good ...

remember these guys where all highly thought of prior to being drafted in round 1

Daniel Jones
Dwayne Haskins
Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
Jameis Winston
Josh Rosen
Mitchell Trubisky
Carson Wentz
Paxton Lynch
Marcus Mariota

they do not all "suck" but would anyone here spend a 1st rounder on any of them right now ?

and that is just going back to 2016 it gets much worse if you go back a dozen years or so ...

someone offers Watson up for 1 years worth of draft picks only a fool passes

[teegre]

@Dwins

Exactly

I see it this way:

R1 draft pick QB
R1 for Watson
That’s a wash.

R2 was used to trade up for an ILB
R2 used to trade up for a franchise QB
Again, that’s a wash.

R3-R7 most are low-impact camp-fodder
R3-R7 for one year, we can survive “low depth”
Ensures that we don’t repeat 2019

[Iron Steeler]

@Dwins

Exactly

I see it this way:

R1 draft pick QB
R1 for Watson
That’s a wash.

R2 was used to trade up for an ILB
R2 used to trade up for a franchise QB
Again, that’s a wash.

R3-R7 most are low-impact camp-fodder
R3-R7 for one year, we can survive “low depth”
Ensures that we don’t repeat 2019

Here how I would do it.

Steelers give up :This years 1st and 2nd and next years 1st
Texans give: Deshawn Watson and JJ Watt

If they say "no you cant have Watt" then I start taking picks away.

[teegre]

Here how I would do it.

Steelers give up :This years 1st and 2nd and next years 1st
Texans give: Deshawn Watson and JJ Watt

If they say "no you cant have Watt" then I start taking picks away.

If BoB was still there, this would come to fruition...

[Born2Steel]

I disagree. When I look at most draft classes, even the good draft classes like the 2017 draft, you only have four players who make the team. I can see your point in getting Watt, JuJu, Conner, and Sutton. But, those draft classes are very rare.

Whereas, the 2015, 2016 and 2018 draft classes are more what routinely occurs. I’d trade any of those draft classes for a franchise QB. Last season was a perfect indicator of how limited a team can be when every position EXCEPT for the QB is loaded. As in: I’d take two (even three) less starters at other positions in exchange for a franchise QB.

I thought of Watson, because...
a) he’s young
b) he’s stuck on a terrible team
c) his current team needs draft picks

Maybe Stafford is a more “realistic” QB for whom to trade, but he’s also six years older (making his contract harder to spread out & defer).

I could and probably would agree if I didn't think Ben is coming back for the 2021 season. Trading away the draft class for a QB to back him up would be worse than drafting MR when we need help elsewhere, per Ben's response. In the OP you stated how the Texans are picking top5 again because it's Watson and nobody else. Without addressing the run game, and getting enough protection for things to get deeper, the offense only gets worse, not better whoever is at QB.

All that said, if Ben retired, JuJu walks, Conner walks, and Pouncey and/or DeCastro retire with Ben, then getting the next franchise QB at any cost would be the first move I would want to make. Then build a team around him. So in that respect I would be all in on trading away the draft for 'our guy'. I just really think now would be bad timing for that move though.

[teegre]

@Born2Steel

Aha... I see your logic.

Yes, my entire thinking is based on Ben retiring.

[Mojouw]

Two firsts and another pick for a seamless transition to the next 10 years at QB?

There is no counter-argument. I mean you can make one and it can be logical and whatnot, but getting a top tier NFL QB when you don't have one is the first and only priority.

Make no mistake, even with the second half against the Colts, the Steelers do NOT have a top tier NFL QB any longer.

[Fire Goodell]

Minshew Mania, bring the pornstache to the 'burgh

[Mojouw]

Minshew Mania, bring the pornstache to the 'burgh

At least he is basically the younger version of Fitzpatrick. So he could basically toss INTs and lose football games for years to come.

[Fire Goodell]

At least he is basically the younger version of Fitzpatrick. So he could basically toss INTs and lose football games for years to come.

To his credit he's played for a terrible team. I think on a decent team he could be alright. Though he's the type of QB that probably needs a running game to succeed.

[Edman]

Two firsts and another pick for a seamless transition to the next 10 years at QB?

There is no counter-argument. I mean you can make one and it can be logical and whatnot, but getting a top tier NFL QB when you don't have one is the first and only priority.

Make no mistake, even with the second half against the Colts, the Steelers do NOT have a top tier NFL QB any longer.

To be fair, the Steelers haven't had a "top tier" QB for many years now. Ben even in his prime was among the top of the second-tier "very good" class, but never among the "elite" QB's.

It looked like Ben finally graduated to top tier for the 11-0 stretch, until, well... you know.

Finding a "Top-tier" quarterback is rare and impossible in this day and age. The best the Steelers can do is just find their guy and go for it.

[Mojouw]

To his credit he's played for a terrible team. I think on a decent team he could be alright. Though he's the type of QB that probably needs a running game to succeed.

He has a below average arm. Rugged footwork and a tendency to throw INTs in bunches. Might as well have Roethlisberger come back and play like he did for much of the past month.

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To be fair, the Steelers haven't had a "top tier" QB for many years now. Ben even in his prime was among the top of the second-tier "very good" class, but never among the "elite" QB's.

It looked like Ben finally graduated to top tier for the 11-0 stretch, until, well... you know.

Finding a "Top-tier" quarterback is rare and impossible in this day and age. The best the Steelers can do is just find their guy and go for it.

I mean we can quibble about the various words and rankings but for much of his career, Ben R was annually one of the top 10 (or better) QBs in the entire NFL. That is elite/top tier or whatever you want to call it.

With Ben R under center, the Steelers were in almost any game they played in. That is about all you can ask for.

If you roll out QBs 16-32, there are multiple games per season that you just have such a small chance of winning. It is a massive handicap to overcome.