The Future QB of the Steelers is...

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

If the Steelers take a QB in the draft I like Carson Strong.

[DesertSteel]

Sign Minshew for 2-3 years and rebuild the rest through the draft and FA, and maybe he can make a run. He seems to have that it factor every time I saw him play and he brings some good energy. We definitely have a better team than the Jags when he was winning there.
I've always been on board with Minshew. I saw a lot of his games in J'ville and he can ball.

[teegre]

If the Steelers take a QB in the draft I like Carson Strong.

He has the Strong-est arm in the draft. :wink02: The concern has been his knee. He has looked less mobile than Ben. Yikes!!! That said, the reports are that his knee is getting better and that he “could” be back to 100% by the beginning of next season. If so, he is the top-ranked QB in this draft.

[Dwinsgames]

or maybe ... draft O-Line in the first 2 rounds , sign a FA CB and DT with some of that cap $$$ convince Ben to give it one more go and let him be his own Offensive coordinator , we have seen he can still make plays when HE calls the plays ... Let him flipping do it cause its the only damn time we move the ball

[teegre]

or maybe ... draft O-Line in the first 2 rounds , sign a FA CB and DT with some of that cap $$$

There are a TON of corners in this draft. Alas, it’s the one area where Colbert continuously whiffs. Ergo, I am 100% behind sigbing the top-rated FA who is available.

[Mojouw]

There are a TON of corners in this draft. Alas, it’s the one area where Colbert continuously whiffs. Ergo, I am 100% behind sigbing the top-rated FA who is available.

An initial scan through this list does not inspire confidence that highly capable CB reinforcements are coming available: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback//

Heck, Witherspoon might be the best option on that list. And he is....not exactly dominant.

[teegre]

An initial scan through this list does not inspire confidence that highly capable CB reinforcements are coming available: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback//

Heck, Witherspoon might be the best option on that list. And he is....not exactly dominant.

Carlton Davis (currently with the Bucs) is the type of Colbert acquisition I could see occurring. A no-name who is another team’s #1… so you get a legit starter at a discounted price.

[Mojouw]

Carlton Davis (currently with the Bucs) is the type of Colbert acquisition I could see occurring. A no-name who is another team’s #1… so you get a legit starter at a discounted price.

Ohhhhh.....I missed that one!

I have liked the little I have seen of Darrious Williams from the Rams this year. Looks like he is ready to take that step up. Of course...if you pay him it is about potential and not proven production...

Could try and break the bank for JC Jackson from the Pats...assuming he makes the open market.

[teegre]

Ohhhhh.....I missed that one!

I have liked the little I have seen of Darrious Williams from the Rams this year. Looks like he is ready to take that step up. Of course...if you pay him it is about potential and not proven production...

Could try and break the bank for JC Jackson from the Pats...assuming he makes the open market.

Williams is another one. Similar idea: a starter who is overshadowed by a superstar. In turn, Williams is targeted a TON, but fairs very well.

Jackson’s INT numbers will make for a huge payday. Pass. (Alas…)

[Mojouw]

Williams is another one. Similar idea: a starter who is overshadowed by a superstar. In turn, Williams is targeted a TON, but fairs very well.

Jackson’s INT numbers will make for a huge payday. Pass. (Alas…)

How much more than Haden's $15.5 million cap hit do you think he will get?

[teegre]

How much more than Haden's $15.5 million cap hit do you think he will get?

About the same.

Before this current injury, I think they extend Haden. Now… I think he’s cut.

[Mojouw]

About the same.

Before this current injury, I think they extend Haden. Now… I think he’s cut.

Assume Jackson, a player I do not know much about, hits the open market...why not just swap Haden's contract for his?

[teegre]

Assume Jackson, a player I do not know much about, hits the open market...why not just swap Haden's contract for his?

One could. :nod: I don’t know much about him except that he has a ton of INTs.

I do know that Davis matches up with every opposing team’s top receiver. (Jackson might as well…)

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

He has the Strong-est arm in the draft. :wink02: The concern has been his knee. He has looked less mobile than Ben. Yikes!!! That said, the reports are that his knee is getting better and that he “could” be back to 100% by the beginning of next season. If so, he is the top-ranked QB in this draft.

Ahead of Pickett? So the Steelers won't have a chance at Strong? He seems like a smart player who goes through reads well and has good touch. I was hoping he would drop being from a small school but definitely not great mobility yeah. I like pocket passers.

On corners do you think Haden gets re-signed? And I don't know what the Steelers look for in corners. I was shocked when they didn't take Xavier Rhodes and stopped trying to guess.

[teegre]

Ahead of Pickett? So the Steelers won't have a chance at Strong? He seems like a smart player who goes through reads well and has good touch. I was hoping he would drop being from a small school but definitely not great mobility yeah. I like pocket passers.

On corners do you think Haden gets re-signed? And I don't know what the Steelers look for in corners. I was shocked when they didn't take Xavier Rhodes and stopped trying to guess.

Yes. If not for his knee limiting his mobility, Strong would have emerged as the top QB. His knee injury has had people slotting him anywhere from R2 to R6; injuries scare teams. But, just this week, an NFL doctor looked at his knee (MRI) and said it would be healed by the start of next season… which would increase his mobility. BOOM!!! He’s surging up draft boards.

Strong’s combine physical is gonna be HUGE. If he passes, he’ll go top ten.

Before the injury, Haden gets re-signed. This injury will cause the team to part ways with him. It’s a business… and older players don’t bounce back as easily.

Free agents. They look for free agents. :lol: I’m only half joking. Colbert does a lot well, but evaluating college cornerbacks is not one of them.

[ThorndikeFFA]

Ugh! The whole idea of drafting a project QB in the first round, this year, just appalls me. Pickett? He's already on the team; his name is Mason Rudolph, career back up. Strong? He's already on the team; his name is Dwayne Haskins, very strong arm, limited mobility. You are all, without actually knowing it, making a great argument for just keeping Ben for another year or two!

If these SHITTY choices are all there are at QB then PLEASE spend your picks in areas of actual need! OL, ILB, CB, a WR that could take the top off a defense once in a while come to mind. Hell, I would be happy if they only drafted fat kids for the OL and DL this draft. This is the weakest Steelers team I've ever seen up the middle of both sides of the ball. Fix that shit, then start thinking about QBs.

I get the urge to pick that young gun QB who will lead this franchise forward to glory for the next decade or so, but he's not in this draft, guys! He's just not there.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

^ Saying that Strong is Haskins is delusional. They are nothing alike. If Strong is there in the 1st I would take him. Potential franchise QBs don't just drop to teams every year. There are no locks at QB it is a gamble.

Steelers need to draft any potential franchise QB they can regardless of the year. Strong is the only QB I've seen that I liked that might be available. I'm not saying take every QB with a 1st round grade from Mel Kiper.

Why is Strong a good pick? Good accuracy, size, goes through progressions quickly, smart, great teammate and leader.

Comparing players to Haskins who shouldn't even be in the NFL isn't helpful.

[ThorndikeFFA]

Strong might be the prettiest of the ugly fat girls at this year's prom, but he's still an ugly, fat girl.

[bayz101]

About the same.

Before this current injury, I think they extend Haden. Now… I think he’s cut.

Maybe he earned the extension again. No take backsies. :chuckle:

[86WARD]

Strong might be the prettiest of the ugly fat girls at this year's prom, but he's still an ugly, fat girl.

[emoji23]

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Strong might be the prettiest of the ugly fat girls at this year's prom, but he's still an ugly, fat girl.

Mel Kiper Jr, ladies and gentlemen.

[Rotorhead]

Strong might be the prettiest of the ugly fat girls at this year's prom, but he's still an ugly, fat girl.

Hahaha

[teegre]

Maybe he earned the extension again. No take backsies. :chuckle:

Right!!! WOW!!!

[teegre]

Ugh! The whole idea of drafting a project QB in the first round, this year, just appalls me. Pickett? He's already on the team; his name is Mason Rudolph, career back up. Strong? He's already on the team; his name is Dwayne Haskins, very strong arm, limited mobility. You are all, without actually knowing it, making a great argument for just keeping Ben for another year or two!

If these SHITTY choices are all there are at QB then PLEASE spend your picks in areas of actual need! OL, ILB, CB, a WR that could take the top off a defense once in a while come to mind. Hell, I would be happy if they only drafted fat kids for the OL and DL this draft. This is the weakest Steelers team I've ever seen up the middle of both sides of the ball. Fix that shit, then start thinking about QBs.

I get the urge to pick that young gun QB who will lead this franchise forward to glory for the next decade or so, but he's not in this draft, guys! He's just not there.

Strong is currently Haskins, because Strong has been playing with a knee injury. In fact, his mobility is worse than a 39 year old Ben. (I have mentioned this in numerous threads.) But, if what the NFL doctors are saying, Strong’s knee will improve significantly as it heals.

I’m not necessarily saying I take him (or ANY quarterback). I’ve been on the DL, OL, CB train (and sometimes the OL, DL, CB bus). That said, if the Steelers drafted Pickett or Strong, it would not surprise me.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Strong is currently Haskins, because Strong has been playing with a knee injury. In fact, his mobility is worse than a 39 year old Ben. (I have mentioned this in numerous threads.) But, if what the NFL doctors are saying, Strong’s knee will improve significantly as it heals.

I’m not necessarily saying I take him (or ANY quarterback). I’ve been on the DL, OL, CB train (and sometimes the OL, DL, CB bus). That said, if the Steelers drafted Pickett or Strong, it would not surprise me.

Or is Strong really more like Davis Mills right now? Mills is somewhat statuesque, but I think he is a decent athlete.

Something tells me the injury concern of Carson Strong is very legit and that is why McShay doesnt have him in his top 5 QB's in his latest mock. I dont put a lot of stock in McShay's ability to eval, but he will for sure have great knowledge from several GM's and if he has Pickett, Corral, Willis, Howell and Ridder in his top 5, then he is hearing from GM's that Carson Strong might have some medical concerns driving his stock down.

[teegre]

Or is Strong really more like Davis Mills right now? Mills is somewhat statuesque, but I think he is a decent athlete.

Something tells me the injury concern of Carson Strong is very legit and that is why McShay doesnt have him in his top 5 QB's in his latest mock. I dont put a lot of stock in McShay's ability to eval, but he will for sure have great knowledge from several GM's and if he has Pickett, Corral, Willis, Howell and Ridder in his top 5, then he is hearing from GM's that Carson Strong might have some medical concerns driving his stock down.

Oh, people are VERY concerned. Some had Strong going in R6.

But, this new MRI might change things. We’ll see.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Oh, people are VERY concerned. Some had Strong going in R6.

But, this new MRI might change things. We’ll see.

Ouch, I like the upside of strong more than Ridder, so this will be interesting.

I think the UNC Bowl game will be interesting as one last show for Sam Howell. Pickett, Willis, Ridder, Strong and Zappe are scheduled to compete in the Senior Bowl, but I dont think Howell can attend, if he declares because he is a true Junior.

[teegre]

Ouch, I like the upside of strong more than Ridder, so this will be interesting.

I think the UNC Bowl game will be interesting as one last show for Sam Howell. Pickett, Willis, Ridder, Strong and Zappe are scheduled to compete in the Senior Bowl, but I dont think Howell can attend, if he declares because he is a true Junior.

Indeed It’s going to be an interesting post-season.

[Dwinsgames]

Ouch, I like the upside of strong more than Ridder, so this will be interesting.

I think the UNC Bowl game will be interesting as one last show for Sam Howell. Pickett, Willis, Ridder, Strong and Zappe are scheduled to compete in the Senior Bowl, but I dont think Howell can attend, if he declares because he is a true Junior.


nope not unless they changed the rules to this like everything else in life

[DesertSteel]

nope not unless they changed the rules to this like everything else in life
If a man can be a woman, why can’t a junior be a senior.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

If a man can be a woman, why can’t a junior be a senior.

Carson Strong is a Junior, but going to the Senior Bowl. I think he "identifies as a Senior".

[DesertSteel]

Carson Strong is a Junior, but going to the Senior Bowl. I think he "identifies as a Senior".
There you go!

[Dwinsgames]

If a man can be a woman, why can’t a junior be a senior.

:lol::lol:

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Carson Strong is a Junior, but going to the Senior Bowl. I think he "identifies as a Senior".

:lol:

[DesertSteel]

There’s at least 6 teams slotted ahead of the Steelers that need a QB. I’m thinking veteran free agent is the way they’re going to go. Go heavy in the trenches in rounds 1-4.

[Mojouw]

You all got me coming around on the vet free agent thing. Especially if my choice is that or something worse.

...But....BUT....BUT....I finally caught up on the weird weekday games....AND....Holy C-O-W!! Can we talk about how Kirk Cousins is not the guy? What was that? I think he threw for under a 100 yards against the Bears JV B team...

Like I totally think Minshew will turn into a Pumpkin once he gets exposed to a full season of having to play actual QB...but I would be so much more excited about him leading a team than Cousins.

[HollywoodSteel]

You all got me coming around on the vet free agent thing. Especially if my choice is that or something worse.

...But....BUT....BUT....I finally caught up on the weird weekday games....AND....Holy C-O-W!! Can we talk about how Kirk Cousins is not the guy? What was that? I think he threw for under a 100 yards against the Bears JV B team...

Like I totally think Minshew will turn into a Pumpkin once he gets exposed to a full season of having to play actual QB...but I would be so much more excited about him leading a team than Cousins.

I think Minshew is basically Baker Mayfield. But we could do a lot worse for a bridge QB while we build up the rest of the team.

[Mojouw]

I think Minshew is basically Baker Mayfield. But we could do a lot worse for a bridge QB while we build up the rest of the team.

I have no problem with that comparison based on what I think I know. Honestly...if the Browns moved on from Baker...I would have no problem with that instead of Rudolphaskins.

As long as the cap $$$ are low enough that it does not prevent ANY other moves to improve the roster. And the team is committed to upgrading and moving on at the QB spot ASAP. Like weeks if they found a "draft diamond" or the next season.

Just don't attempt to "build" around those kinda QBs....

[DesertSteel]

You all got me coming around on the vet free agent thing. Especially if my choice is that or something worse.

...But....BUT....BUT....I finally caught up on the weird weekday games....AND....Holy C-O-W!! Can we talk about how Kirk Cousins is not the guy? What was that? I think he threw for under a 100 yards against the Bears JV B team...

Like I totally think Minshew will turn into a Pumpkin once he gets exposed to a full season of having to play actual QB...but I would be so much more excited about him leading a team than Cousins.
He's started 21 games with a 39/11 TD/INT. It's not like Scott Mitchell.

[Mojouw]

He's started 21 games with a 39/11 TD/INT. It's not like Scott Mitchell.

I mean, we might find out. We might not.

I suspect there is a reason that few NFL teams were clamoring for his services as a starter. But it isn't like the league hasn't gotten QB evaluations wrong before!

[Mojouw]

He's started 21 games with a 39/11 TD/INT. It's not like Scott Mitchell.

Out of curiosity...I am assuming Minshew is under contract for next year....lets just say he is....what would you be willing to part with draft pick wise to make that happen?

[Steeler-in-west]

Best case scenario is the Steelers win out or win 2 of 3 at least, end up 9-7-1 and get into the playoffs and make a surprising run. And in effect knock themselves out of any chance of getting a top QB in the draft. They end up strengthening OL, Defense and pickup a QB in FA...and wait for 23.

many of Minshew's highlights are of the jags playing catch up against a bengals soft zone, others are of hitting wide open receivers. I don't see him threading the needle much and he got benched. I wouldn't spend much draft capital on him. Better to spend it on other areas of need. Just pickup a FA QB and keep an eye on the 23 draft.

the Rodgers talk seems to have died down, I guess because the packers are looking good, what if they take an early exit in the playoffs?

[DesertSteel]

Out of curiosity...I am assuming Minshew is under contract for next year....lets just say he is....what would you be willing to part with draft pick wise to make that happen?
Eagles gave up a 6th round pick for him and he has one year left on his rookie contract ($850K). Since the Eagles were smart where the Steelers were dumb, there's gonna be a stupid tax imposed. I'm hopeful that a 3rd round pick could get it done.

[Fire Goodell]

re-sign the duck man

[EzraTank]

Unfortunately for us Pickett is going to be gone in the top 10 probably to somewhere like Carolina, Atlanta or Houston.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Eagles gave up a 6th round pick for him and he has one year left on his rookie contract ($850K). Since the Eagles were smart where the Steelers were dumb, there's gonna be a stupid tax imposed. I'm hopeful that a 3rd round pick could get it done.

no way would I want us to give up a 3rd round round draft pick for a guy like Minshew.

[Rotorhead]

Well Minshew was supposed to be a bridge QB for a couple years while we rebuilt the OL and had a solid team for a new franchise QB to step into, and if he turned out to be a guy that just needed a chance in a good situation so be it.

[DesertSteel]

no way would I want us to give up a 3rd round round draft pick for a guy like Minshew.
Mason Rudolph was a third round pick.

[pepsyman1]

Carson Strong is a Junior, but going to the Senior Bowl. I think he "identifies as a Senior".

I "identify" as a 3rd string QB that never dresses for games....do I get a game check?

[DesertSteel]

At this point, I'd settle for Nick Foles next year. He played well today in a comeback win over Seattle.

[HollywoodSteel]

At this point, I'd settle for Nick Foles next year. He played well today in a comeback win over Seattle.

I don’t really see the point of acquiring a QB like that. Maybe he gets us 6 to 8 wins. How does that get us any closer to our next Super Bowl victory?

If we can’t get a guy who can carry the team like an Aaron Rodgers or Deshawn Watson, I’d rather patch our many other holes in the draft and free agency, and let Haskins be our QB in 2022. He’ll either be an entertaining disaster who gets us a bad enough record to get a top 5 2023 pick, or he’ll miraculously prove himself to be an actual franchise QB. Either way, we’ll be better off in 2023 than taking on a middle of the road guy.

If we can’t get a proven stud then I’ll be fine with a high ceiling/VERY low floor QB.

[DesertSteel]

I don’t really see the point of acquiring a QB like that. Maybe he gets us 6 to 8 wins. How does that get us any closer to our next Super Bowl victory?

If we can’t get a guy who can carry the team like an Aaron Rodgers or Deshawn Watson, I’d rather patch our many other holes in the draft and free agency, and let Haskins be our QB in 2022. He’ll either be an entertaining disaster who gets us a bad enough record to get a top 5 2023 pick, or he’ll miraculously prove himself to be an actual franchise QB. Either way, we’ll be better off in 2023 than taking on a middle of the road guy.

If we can’t get a proven stud then I’ll be fine with a high ceiling/VERY low floor QB.
It’s an indicator of how scared I am that they’re going to roll out Mason Rudolph in 2022. He’s a mid-tier backup at best. Foles has won a Super Bowl and has bounced to some really horrible organizations since then. He’s not my first choice by any stretch, but I’ll take him over Mason.

[86WARD]

It’s an indicator of how scared I am that they’re going to roll out Mason Rudolph in 2022. He’s a mid-tier backup at best. Foles has won a Super Bowl and has bounced to some really horrible organizations since then. He’s not my first choice by any stretch, but I’ll take him over Mason.

But let’s think…at this point 2021 with the coaches and team they have in place, wouldn’t Foles just be bouncing to another bottom tier organization? What is in Pittsburgh that wasn’t in Philadelphia, KC, Chicago, St. Louis or Jacksonville?

They key with Foles is he’s always brought out the best in whoever the other guy was…

Philadelphia - Mike Vick/Mark Sanchez
St. Louis - Case Keenum
KC - Alex Smith
Philadelphia - Carson Wentz
Jacksonville - Gardner Minshew
Chicago - Justin Fields/Mitch Trubisky

Those guys all had their best games with Foles around…lol.

So maybe there’s hope for Rudolph…

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I "identify" as a 3rd string QB that never dresses for games....do I get a game check?

I would have to check the rules, but I think if you do that long enough, you qualify for a virtual NFL pension.

[HollywoodSteel]

It’s an indicator of how scared I am that they’re going to roll out Mason Rudolph in 2022. He’s a mid-tier backup at best. Foles has won a Super Bowl and has bounced to some really horrible organizations since then. He’s not my first choice by any stretch, but I’ll take him over Mason.

Yeah, I guess I’d put Foles and Rudolph in the same general category. I’m not sure which one would yield better results in 2022 but I don’t really care. I think they’d both win enough games to cost us a prime draft spot, while neither will get us a championship or allow us to evaluate a potential guy that could be a franchise QB. I’m not saying Haskins has a great shot at being that guy but he has SOME shot on physical talent alone, and if he fails that’s still better than bringing in someone who definitely isn’t the guy, and also a waste of money, and Peru’s draft pick if a trade needs to be involved.

Give me a top tier vet like Rodgers or give me a $2 lottery ticket.

[DesertSteel]

Yeah, I guess I’d put Foles and Rudolph in the same general category. I’m not sure which one would yield better results in 2022 but I don’t really care. I think they’d both win enough games to cost us a prime draft spot, while neither will get us a championship or allow us to evaluate a potential guy that could be a franchise QB. I’m not saying Haskins has a great shot at being that guy but he has SOME shot on physical talent alone, and if he fails that’s still better than bringing in someone who definitely isn’t the guy, and also a waste of money, and Peru’s draft pick if a trade needs to be involved.

Give me a top tier vet like Rodgers or give me a $2 lottery ticket.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like Rodgers, Wilson, et al, much better. And unlike most on here I'd give up 2-3 first rounders to get one of them. But I really think you either underrate Foles or overrate Mason if you think they're equal. Just my opinion. And you can't say Foles would never take you to a championship because he's been there and done that as Super Bowl MVP.

[HollywoodSteel]

Don't get me wrong, I'd like Rodgers, Wilson, et al, much better. And unlike most on here I'd give up 2-3 first rounders to get one of them. But I really think you either underrate Foles or overrate Mason if you think they're equal. Just my opinion. And you can't say Foles would never take you to a championship because he's been there and done that as Super Bowl MVP.

I’m fine with giving up picks for Rodgers as well. Even Watson if his legal troubles get resolved and Houston comes down to Earth on his price.

I’m not saying that Rudolph is as good as Foles. I meant that they both fall into the general category of guys that aren’t going to be our franchise QB, so either one would be kind of a waste of time where we could at least gather information about a draft pick or the former number one that we already have.

I know that Foles won a Super Bowl for the Eagles, but that was a contender on role. If he were on the Bucs maybe he could take over for Brady and rekindle that one time magic. But teams that have brought him in to be “the guy” soon found out he really wasn’t. If we had all the pieces in place except for a QB then you bring in a guy like that or Fitzmagic. But I still think he isn’t someone worth pursuing given our current situation.

I’d rather either get THE guy (Rodgers) who can maybe carry the team we have to the promised land, or spend our picks and resources building the rest of them team for our future savior QB to take us the rest of the way. In the meantime I’m fine with putting in someone for information purposes only.

[DesertSteel]

I’m with you on the franchise QB quest. And even though Wilson is in a rough patch, I’d give up more for him because he’s got 6-8 more years to play.

[HollywoodSteel]

I’m with you on the franchise QB quest. And even though Wilson is in a rough patch, I’d give up more for him because he’s got 6-8 more years to play.

Yeah, I’d take Wilson in heartbeat. Of course he’s the guy who mad that his team couldn’t give him a decent O line. To get him to Pittsburgh we’d probably have to hand him the checkbook and allow him to assemble his own O line in free agency.

[Mojouw]

Wilson is more interested in being a "brand" and living in a celebrity focused city than a lot of other things closer to football. Not saying he wouldn't be awesome...but an out of the way rust belt city like Pittsburgh just isn't going to do it for him.

I suspect, that if he does engineer his way out of Seattle...it will be to NYG or Raiders.

[86WARD]

Wilson is more interested in being a "brand" and living in a celebrity focused city than a lot of other things closer to football. Not saying he wouldn't be awesome...but an out of the way rust belt city like Pittsburgh just isn't going to do it for him.

I suspect, that if he does engineer his way out of Seattle...it will be to NYG or Raiders.

Rather have Rodgers or Watson before Wilson to start. Wouldn’t say no to Wilson but his play has not been Russell Wilson-esque. To use your argument, there is nothing enticing about either the Raiders or the Giants franchises that a QB of Rodgers/Wilson/Watsons would want to go there other than the city itself being used as a promotional tool and going to one of those teams could actually negate the promotional value that city could offer once he gets on the field and plays with the slop that are the Giants or Raiders at this point. Those two franchises, at this stage, could bury his “brand”. [emoji23]

[Mojouw]

Rather have Rodgers or Watson before Wilson to start. Wouldn’t say no to Wilson but his play has not been Russell Wilson-esque. To use your argument, there is nothing enticing about either the Raiders or the Giants franchises that a QB of Rodgers/Wilson/Watsons would want to go there other than the city itself being used as a promotional tool and going to one of those teams could actually negate the promotional value that city could offer once he gets on the field and plays with the slop that are the Giants or Raiders at this point. Those two franchises, at this stage, could bury his “brand”. [emoji23]

I am just going by those and Chicago were the only 3 places he was willing to waive his no-trade clause to go to earlier this off-season.

But there are recent reports that he would consider Denver and New Orleans as well.

No idea...but I really think he (and Mrs. Wilson) want to land in a top 10 metro area.

[saturdaysarebetter]

We have to upgrade from Mason Rudolph. Have to.

[DesertSteel]

Rather have Rodgers or Watson before Wilson to start. Wouldn’t say no to Wilson but his play has not been Russell Wilson-esque. To use your argument, there is nothing enticing about either the Raiders or the Giants franchises that a QB of Rodgers/Wilson/Watsons would want to go there other than the city itself being used as a promotional tool and going to one of those teams could actually negate the promotional value that city could offer once he gets on the field and plays with the slop that are the Giants or Raiders at this point. Those two franchises, at this stage, could bury his “brand”. [emoji23]
Wilson is tanking to get out of Seattle! lol

[86WARD]

Wilson is tanking to get out of Seattle! lol

Lol. Could be…

[86WARD]

Aaron Rodgers giving a lot of love to Pittsburgh on the Manning broadcast...even plugging Pittsburgh Dad...

[DesertSteel]

I was optimistic about Haskins from the time of his signing, but I can't get the taste of that last preseason game out of my mouth. Maybe he comes in ready to compete in camp? He has all the tools.

[86WARD]

I was optimistic about Haskins from the time of his signing, but I can't get the taste of that last preseason game out of my mouth. Maybe he comes in ready to compete in camp? He has all the tools.

They would need to pick up that option though…correct?

[EzraTank]

We have to upgrade from Mason Rudolph. Have to.

The only way he plays is if we draft a guy the coaches think needs a year to sit and watch the NFL like Mahomes did with Alex Smith (and like Ben was supposed to do behind Maddox).

In the order of veterans I'd take:

1. Rodgers
2. Wilson
3. Watson**





** but what he supposedly did ... yuck.

[DesertSteel]

They would need to pick up that option though…correct?
I think they will, regardless. Even if they only see him as a 3rd next year. I think that covid has changed how QB rooms are viewed for the near future.

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They would need to pick up that option though…correct?
I think they will, regardless. Even if they only see him as a 3rd next year. I think that covid has changed how QB rooms are viewed for the near future.

[teegre]

The QBs at the Senior Bowl:

Sam Howell
Kenny Pickett
Carson Strong
Desmond Ridder
Malik Willis
Bailey Zappe

I expect both Colbert and Tomlin to be there observing very carefully.

[Fire Goodell]

Zappe is a cool name for a QB lol, Berman would have fun with that

[teegre]

Zappe is a cool name for a QB lol, Berman would have fun with that

Touchdown from ZZZAPPE!!!

[86WARD]

Bailey “Frank” Zappe - Black Napkins and Yellow Snow?

[Mojouw]

The QBs at the Senior Bowl:

Sam Howell
Kenny Pickett
Carson Strong
Desmond Ridder
Malik Willis
Bailey Zappe

I expect both Colbert and Tomlin to be there observing very carefully.

One way or another, one of those guys is a Steeler next year.

Of course, if they do pick one it will be a panicked overdraft of a flawed prospect in a bad QB class. And if they don't pick one, it will be a horrible decision by a disintegrating franchise. Or at least that's what this one dude on the internet told me.

I think we should all read up on Malik Willis. Better or worse, I expect Canada to stay. If he wants to run a motion based RPO "college" offense - then a QB who can run might be really hard for them to pass up.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

One way or another, one of those guys is a Steeler next year.

Of course, if they do pick one it will be a panicked overdraft of a flawed prospect in a bad QB class. And if they don't pick one, it will be a horrible decision by a disintegrating franchise. Or at least that's what this one dude on the internet told me.

I think we should all read up on Malik Willis. Better or worse, I expect Canada to stay. If he wants to run a motion based RPO "college" offense - then a QB who can run might be really hard for them to pass up.

Malik Willis!!! XD!!!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

The QBs at the Senior Bowl:

Sam Howell
Kenny Pickett
Carson Strong
Desmond Ridder
Malik Willis
Bailey Zappe

I expect both Colbert and Tomlin to be there observing very carefully.

That is going to be a great week for teams to evaluate QB's! Fantastic. Good to hear that Howell is going.

For fun I will have to watch some more Pickett and Corral video, but from what I have watched so far this season, I still like Sam Howell the best.

[Born2Steel]

First, I hope we do not enter into the 2022 season with a QB room of Mason Rudolph, Dewey Haskins, and Rookie QB. I'm thinking if the plan is to move forward with MR/Haskins, a veteran FA will be brought in as a backup/mentor. Somebody like a Chase Daniel/Chad Henne level guy. I know there is a plan even though for some reason the FO hasn't told it to me yet.

Comparing this year's rookie class to the Bill Parcells' QB drafting rules:
Kenny Pickett 7/7
Desmond Ridder 7/7
Carson Strong 6/7
Bailey Zappe 6/7
Sam Howell 5/7
Malik Willis 5/7
Matt Corral 3/7

[DesertSteel]

One way or another, one of those guys is a Steeler next year.

Of course, if they do pick one it will be a panicked overdraft of a flawed prospect in a bad QB class. And if they don't pick one, it will be a horrible decision by a disintegrating franchise. Or at least that's what this one dude on the internet told me.

I think we should all read up on Malik Willis. Better or worse, I expect Canada to stay. If he wants to run a motion based RPO "college" offense - then a QB who can run might be really hard for them to pass up.
Hitching one's wagon to Matt Canada? How could that ever go wrong?

[Mojouw]

Hitching one's wagon to Matt Canada? How could that ever go wrong?

Oh, it’s likely going to be a disaster.

But Colbert said it would take “awhile” to get the players to run Canada’s “system”.

I could totally see them going another year and seeing what it looks like.

I could also see them firing him and getting a new guy and a new QB.

But if Canada is still around by the draft, it’s time to start asking what type of QB he prefers.

[Shoes]

They will pick up a vet and let them all battle it out in TC. Rooney got his RB last year, this year it will be the oline. My feeling is a QB will be drafted in 23 or 24.

[Born2Steel]

The only QB under contract for next season is Mason Rudolph. Ben's comments about Mason having the entire preseason to get reps in and being QB1 tells me there is a short term plan in place. That plan is most likely MR plus veteran backup, and either Dobbs or Haskins being re-signed, or rookie being drafted instead of re-signing one of the 3rd stringers.

Maybe looks like this:
QB1 MR
QB2 Veteran Backup
QB3 Dobbs, or Haskins, or rookie draftpick

???

[Steeler-in-west]

The only QB under contract for next season is Mason Rudolph. Ben's comments about Mason having the entire preseason to get reps in and being QB1 tells me there is a short term plan in place. That plan is most likely MR plus veteran backup, and either Dobbs or Haskins being re-signed, or rookie being drafted instead of re-signing one of the 3rd stringers.

Maybe looks like this:
QB1 MR
QB2 Veteran Backup
QB3 Dobbs, or Haskins, or rookie draftpick

???

agreed, it’s either they sign Rodgers or it turns out like you stated

[vasteeler]

Rodgers ain't coming to the Burgh.

[EzraTank]

Rodgers ain't coming to the Burgh.

Quiet, I hope your car is buried in snow! ;)

[Shoes]

The only QB under contract for next season is Mason Rudolph. Ben's comments about Mason having the entire preseason to get reps in and being QB1 tells me there is a short term plan in place. That plan is most likely MR plus veteran backup, and either Dobbs or Haskins being re-signed, or rookie being drafted instead of re-signing one of the 3rd stringers.

Maybe looks like this:
QB1 MR
QB2 Veteran Backup
QB3 Dobbs, or Haskins, or rookie draftpick

???

this is pretty close. I think the only way they take a QB in the draft is if someone slides down the ranks. I don’t think they will sign a big name vet. Nor do I believe it is certain that the Steelers will receive the comp picks they are expecting. That being the case I think Art is going to make it clear one last time that he wants a working, leading run game. And that means drafting early round talent for the oline.

[vasteeler]

Quiet, I hope your car is buried in snow! ;):rofl2:

[Steeler-in-west]

https://youtu.be/mlC1p72Gqec

:wink02: :wink02:

Signaling Tomlin and Co......

[86WARD]

Rodgers ain't coming to the Burgh.

Reverse psychology and the pessimistic outlook…I gotcha. Say he’s not so then when he does, it makes you feel great. If he doesn’t, already prepared…

https://media4.giphy.com/media/nas460XGurr4JhTtnh/giphy.gif

[Mojouw]

I know I have already laughed at this idea, but I hear a lot of seemingly "smart" football talking internet people making the case for a Matt Ryan to Steelers scenario. I've never been a fan of Matt Ryan and felt he was/is highly over-rated. But I am likely in a minority there. What are others thoughts? I realize this may have already been discussed, but I am too lazy to dig back through 3 dozen pages.

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

I know I have already laughed at this idea, but I hear a lot of seemingly "smart" football talking internet people making the case for a Matt Ryan to Steelers scenario. I've never been a fan of Matt Ryan and felt he was/is highly over-rated. But I am likely in a minority there. What are others thoughts? I realize this may have already been discussed, but I am too lazy to dig back through 3 dozen pages.

It's crazy there are 37 pages of speculation about next year's QB right? The second best QB in Steelers history and a HOF is still on the team. That just seems wrong and disrespectful somehow. I think my only comment about next year's potential QB is in the draft room section.

Chances are Matt Ryan retires a Falcon after next season. I don't see how they move him with his contract and at his age, 37 in May.

I guess you can't fault Steelers fans for looking past this season to next season when Tomlin has been doing it. Tomlin has made it clear that he wants a veteran QB to win now and likes mobile QBs. He has made several comments this year about QBs.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I think we should all read up on Malik Willis. Better or worse, I expect Canada to stay. If he wants to run a motion based RPO "college" offense - then a QB who can run might be really hard for them to pass up.

I'm just curious. How many posters here that like the idea of drafting Malik Willis, have actually watched any Liberty games, or video of Malik Willis?? Or how many are just going by Draftnik rankings?

[hawaiiansteeler]

I'm just curious. How many posters here that like the idea of drafting Malik Willis, have actually watched any Liberty games, or video of Malik Willis?? Or how many are just going by Draftnik rankings?

I have watched Liberty and Malik Willis play twice this season.

and my opinion on whether or not we should draft him is:

https://c.tenor.com/0W24kX2CQpYAAAAd/nope-hell-no.gif

[Mojouw]

I'm just curious. How many posters here that like the idea of drafting Malik Willis, have actually watched any Liberty games, or video of Malik Willis?? Or how many are just going by Draftnik rankings?

I am not going by anything other than he is reputed to be highly mobile (take that however you want) and has a strong arm.

I have heard a few make comps to Tua with a better arm and a less robust version of Hurts. Neither sounds all that appealing to me, but if Canada is retained and he wants to start running all this pre-snap motion stuff, have the QB decide what version of the play based on safety alignment and box count....it may be that he also is really attracted to the idea of taking the best rusher out of the class.

Is any of that true or reasonable? I have no idea. All I know is that there were random comments related to the 2021 Steelers that have made me feel like Canada would really like to have a QB who can run around a bit. The internet tells me that Willis can run around a bit.

[86WARD]

I know I have already laughed at this idea, but I hear a lot of seemingly "smart" football talking internet people making the case for a Matt Ryan to Steelers scenario. I've never been a fan of Matt Ryan and felt he was/is highly over-rated. But I am likely in a minority there. What are others thoughts? I realize this may have already been discussed, but I am too lazy to dig back through 3 dozen pages.

I would not want Matt Ryan at this point. I would be very happy if they drafted a player like Matt Ryan. Very solid, very dependable, very consistent QB. I think he’s overlooked a lot and one of the more underrated QBs in recent years. That doesn’t take into consideration that Ryan played a lot indoors and the Steelers are outdoors though…I’ve never looked into his outdoor performances.

[Mojouw]

I would not want Matt Ryan at this point. I would be very happy if they drafted a player like Matt Ryan. Very solid, very dependable, very consistent QB. I think he’s overlooked a lot and one of the more underrated QBs in recent years. That doesn’t take into consideration that Ryan played a lot indoors and the Steelers are outdoors though…I’ve never looked into his outdoor performances.

You know, that is about how I feel as well. But way better said.

Only thing that would really get me into the idea is if the Falcons either paid a ton of his salary OR only asked like a 3rd rounder or something for the Steelers to take the salary on.

But even that....you likely have to redo his deal and then you are back to a ton of cap space tied up with an old QB....so....yeah...no.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I have watched Liberty and Malik Willis play twice this season.

and my opinion on whether or not we should draft him is:

https://c.tenor.com/0W24kX2CQpYAAAAd/nope-hell-no.gif

I support this evaluation.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Malik Willis has a strong arm and is athletic, but has a somewhat stocky build that allows him to run thru contact, but he isnt that fast or elusive to avoid the pass rush. Its probably why he was sacked 51 times this past season. Sure his O line didnt help him out, but he appears to spend a long time looking for the route progressions and open receivers, while the pass rush gets to him. I see some erratic accuracy as well and all of that is while playing against only 1 top 25 team this season.

Some of his sacks taken in games are:
-Ole Miss...........sacked 9 times
-U of Louisiana....sacked 7 times
-North Texas.......sacked 6 times
- Syracuse..........sacked 6 times.

One pro comparison is Steve McNair and based upon his arm strength and build, sure that is fair. But in the way of accuracy, production, going thru progressions and making accurate on time throws, I havent seen a lot of it. Senior Bowl week will show a lot if he can be an "upside" guy and somewhat of a project in that regard. IMO, if you want a guy that is athletic and makes quick decisions in the run and pass game, its Matt Corral.

But if you want a strong arm, strong build QB who stands in the pocket trying to go thru his progressions and needs a long time to do that, then Malik Willis is the guy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7-zdtXhZ0E

[Mojouw]

I was not advocating in support of Willis.

I am just trying to speculate with no information on what the team might do. Say they are picking in a position to get the "third" QB off the board. Many places seem to have calibrated in on Pickett then Corral (sp?). So that would leave Willis as reputedly having the skill-set that I was rampantly speculating on.

Unless the forthcoming evaluation process reveals updated information, I am not in favor of drafting Willis. But I also don't like Pickett...so there's that...

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Willis is a similar type of QB to Dixon, Dobbs and Vick. I would not be surprised to see him drafted.

[ETL]

I am always amazed how optimistic we are with the draft. We place value on players like Pickett, Howell, Corrall, Strong, Willis because we don’t know how bad they could be in the NFL while we place little value on Darnold, Trubisky, Daniel Jones, Mayfield, Haskins - even though most of these guys have the same physical attributes and have the added plus of having some NFL experience under their belts. But new and shiny seems always better even when all the numbers tell us it’s a crapshoot

this tells me how we got so lucky with Roethlisberger as that draft was QB rich and we just happened to need a qb when there was good depth in the qb position.

Or we could have been looking for a QB during the Jake Locker, Gabbert, Christian Ponder year and just eat up all the media reports about how this Qb is all that and that QB is the next coming of … (fill in your recent hall of Famer qb).

I think this draft year sucks for QB and we would do much better not drafting one in the first round. If some team is desperate to draft one - we should trade down and accumulate draft picks and add depth. I know it doesn’t sound sexy or fun to do this but this is what this draft class is telling us to do.

[86WARD]

I am always amazed how optimistic we are with the draft. We place value on players like Pickett, Howell, Corrall, Strong, Willis because we don’t know how bad they could be in the NFL while we place little value on Darnold, Trubisky, Daniel Jones, Mayfield, Haskins - even though most of these guys have the same physical attributes and have the added plus of having some NFL experience under their belts. But new and shiny seems always better even when all the numbers tell us it’s a crapshoot

this tells me how we got so lucky with Roethlisberger as that draft was QB rich and we just happened to need a qb when there was good depth in the qb position.

Or we could have been looking for a QB during the Jake Locker, Gabbert, Christian Ponder year and just eat up all the media reports about how this Qb is all that and that QB is the next coming of … (fill in your recent hall of Famer qb).

I think this draft year sucks for QB and we would do much better not drafting one in the first round. If some team is desperate to draft one - we should trade down and accumulate draft picks and add depth. I know it doesn’t sound sexy or fun to do this but this is what this draft class is telling us to do.

Well said.

[Mojouw]

The draft is basically the only source of new "star" players. It is ceiling versus floor argument.

Veteran FA from the QB carousel are low ceiling and mid-floor guys. For instance, NFL teams have some idea how bad Mason Rudolph can be but they also are able to see that their is a low ceiling to how good he can be.

Draft Pick QB A is certainly more of an unknown. No one really knows how bad this guy can be. It could be epically and catastrophically terrible. BUT... it could also be staggeringly good.

Trubisky does not offer that same "upside" gamble. Trubisky is a 6 win QB while Draft Pick QB A might be a 3 win QB but he might also be a 12 win QB.

I'm rolling the dice every time if I fun a team.

[ETL]

The draft is basically the only source of new "star" players. It is ceiling versus floor argument.

Veteran FA from the QB carousel are low ceiling and mid-floor guys. For instance, NFL teams have some idea how bad Mason Rudolph can be but they also are able to see that their is a low ceiling to how good he can be.

Draft Pick QB A is certainly more of an unknown. No one really knows how bad this guy can be. It could be epically and catastrophically terrible. BUT... it could also be staggeringly good.

Trubisky does not offer that same "upside" gamble. Trubisky is a 6 win QB while Draft Pick QB A might be a 3 win QB but he might also be a 12 win QB.

I'm rolling the dice every time if I fun a team.

Right - you’re the optimist I am talking about but I understand you. I still think the body of evidence is enough in college for these guys to tell me that this will be a forgotten year of QBs. I would try to find the Ryan Tannehill or Rich Gannon in one of the veterans or just try to develop Mason this year. It will be much less costlier. But I totally understand what you say about “star”. I live in Chicago and they had no enthusiasm for football before the season until Fields was drafted. He stunk it up this year but still it brought excitement that normally would not have been there.

one other thing - what Ben did as a rookie is unrealistic. Actually I think he won the most games as a rookie compared to anyone else. So unprecedented. Manning sucked as a rookie. So did Elway. (Marino was a star). I would give Mason some benefit of doubt as he is basically a rookie starter next yr.

but I wouldn’t mind Trubisky on our team. Or will Greer - 3rd stringer for the cowboys at this time.

[Mojouw]

Right - you’re the optimist I am talking about but I understand you. I still think the body of evidence is enough in college for these guys to tell me that this will be a forgotten year of QBs. I would try to find the Ryan Tannehill or Rich Gannon in one of the veterans or just try to develop Mason this year. It will be much less costlier. But I totally understand what you say about “star”. I live in Chicago and they had no enthusiasm for football before the season until Fields was drafted. He stunk it up this year but still it brought excitement that normally would not have been there.

one other thing - what Ben did as a rookie is unrealistic. Actually I think he won the most games as a rookie compared to anyone else. So unprecedented. Manning sucked as a rookie. So did Elway. (Marino was a star). I would give Mason some benefit of doubt as he is basically a rookie starter next yr.

but I wouldn’t mind Trubisky on our team. Or will Greer - 3rd stringer for the cowboys at this time.

I believe I get the underlying logic of your post.

But I don’t see how you can be so against this years rookie QB class and want Trubisky.

Trubisky was truly awful last we saw him make NFL starts. And he made zero progress in how many years in Chicago?

From what I’ve read someone like Coral or Howell might be better than Trubisky right now.

[Born2Steel]

I have stated this before. I don't watch many Bears games and therefore have no idea why there is so much Trubisky hate. His stats are not all that bad. It must be a game-time, moment specific pattern of bad decisions or something.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TrubMi00.htm

I would love to see(realistically) the Steelers enter next season with RudeDog QB1, a veteran backup, I like Chase Daniel, as QB2. And a rookie draft pick at QB3. My preference is Desmond Ridder.

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I have stated this before. I don't watch many Bears games and therefore have no idea why there is so much Trubisky hate. His stats are not all that bad. It must be a game-time, moment specific pattern of bad decisions or something.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TrubMi00.htm

I would love to see(realistically) the Steelers enter next season with RudeDog QB1, a veteran backup, I like Chase Daniel, as QB2. And a rookie draft pick at QB3. My preference is Desmond Ridder.

[DesertSteel]

I have no idea who “rude dog” is.

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I have no idea who “rude dog” is.

[ETL]

I believe I get the underlying logic of your post.

But I don’t see how you can be so against this years rookie QB class and want Trubisky.

Trubisky was truly awful last we saw him make NFL starts. And he made zero progress in how many years in Chicago?

From what I’ve read someone like Coral or Howell might be better than Trubisky right now.

I think Trubisky would be good in the right environment like the Steelers with a good run game and WRs. He would cost us nothing. I don’t see Howell or Corral as much better - definitely not for the price. As of now - we just don’t know how much they will suck - thus the excitement and price for the draftees

[86WARD]

I have no idea who “rude dog” is.

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I have no idea who “rude dog” is.

Rude-olph?

[Mojouw]

I have stated this before. I don't watch many Bears games and therefore have no idea why there is so much Trubisky hate. His stats are not all that bad. It must be a game-time, moment specific pattern of bad decisions or something.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TrubMi00.htm

I would love to see(realistically) the Steelers enter next season with RudeDog QB1, a veteran backup, I like Chase Daniel, as QB2. And a rookie draft pick at QB3. My preference is Desmond Ridder.

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I have stated this before. I don't watch many Bears games and therefore have no idea why there is so much Trubisky hate. His stats are not all that bad. It must be a game-time, moment specific pattern of bad decisions or something.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TrubMi00.htm

I would love to see(realistically) the Steelers enter next season with RudeDog QB1, a veteran backup, I like Chase Daniel, as QB2. And a rookie draft pick at QB3. My preference is Desmond Ridder.

It is absolutely the decision making and flawed fundamentals. Far too often there is an "easy" throw (at least at the NFL level) right there and Trubisky just flubs it up. He also has demonstrated the physical capability to make jaw dropping throws. But he gets the basic things wrong over and over and over again. To the point that the Bears offense struggled to fundamentally function.

[cubanstogie]

I think Trubisky would be good in the right environment like the Steelers with a good run game and WRs. He would cost us nothing. I don’t see Howell or Corral as much better - definitely not for the price. As of now - we just don’t know how much they will suck - thus the excitement and price for the draftees
I was high on Garrapollo but looking back I might’ve just been high. He’s good for a pic or two a game, Trubisky similar to me but you never know he’s got the tools. Mariota would be improvement but he’s always injured. I would be most optimistic with Mariota out of the three.

[Born2Steel]

It is absolutely the decision making and flawed fundamentals. Far too often there is an "easy" throw (at least at the NFL level) right there and Trubisky just flubs it up. He also has demonstrated the physical capability to make jaw dropping throws. But he gets the basic things wrong over and over and over again. To the point that the Bears offense struggled to fundamentally function.

I remember a point in the season, last year or year before, when the media was saying the Bears' defense just quit because the offense was so bad. I was too entertained watching my team's bad offense though.

[Steeler-in-west]

This reminds me too much like the Tomzcak acquisition- just no thanks

[Rotorhead]

I have been reading up on Ridder, he sounds like a good fit that needs to work on his accuracy a little. Good arm, likes to stay in the pocket but can run well when needed, good decision maker and pre snap reads. I wouldn’t be upset if we drafted him.

[Born2Steel]

I have been reading up on Ridder, he sounds like a good fit that needs to work on his accuracy a little. Good arm, likes to stay in the pocket but can run well when needed, good decision maker and pre snap reads. I wouldn’t be upset if we drafted him.

I think the biggest upside to me about Ridder is he has 49 games under his belt in college and went 44-5 in those games. This is experience and winning. Doesn't mean it translates to the next level but I think it gives him the best chance out of this year's class.

[DesertSteel]

I change my mind about this a lot, just because I'm trying to stay with what's realistic. Right now, I'd be moderately optimistic with any of the three: Jimmy G, Mariota or Minshew. All three are significantly better than Rudolph.

[HollywoodSteel]

I change my mind about this a lot, just because I'm trying to stay with what's realistic. Right now, I'd be moderately optimistic with any of the three: Jimmy G, Mariota or Minshew. All three are significantly better than Rudolph.

That’s fair, but what is the actual goal in getting one of these guys? To win 8 or 9 games? I’d rather not have to give up draft picks in a trade or spend more money on any outside QB who doesn’t make us an immediate Super Bowl contender. If we can’t get that then I say build up the team in other areas until we can find our real QB.

[86WARD]

That’s fair, but what is the actual goal in getting one of these guys? To win 8 or 9 games? I’d rather not have to give up draft picks in a trade or spend more money on any outside QB who doesn’t make us an immediate Super Bowl contender. If we can’t get that then I say build up the team in other areas until we can find our real QB.

What if Jimmy G wins a couple playoff games? He’s taken the Niners to the Super Bowl, he’s won a couple playoff games…at that point, do the Niners even want to let him go?

[DesertSteel]

That’s fair, but what is the actual goal in getting one of these guys? To win 8 or 9 games? I’d rather not have to give up draft picks in a trade or spend more money on any outside QB who doesn’t make us an immediate Super Bowl contender. If we can’t get that then I say build up the team in other areas until we can find our real QB.
1. Jimmy G has been to a Super Bowl and almost won
2. I think Mariota may have a Tannehill-type upside in his comeback
3. Minshew is young and has a 4-1 TD to INT ratio. His ceiling is still out there.

[Rotorhead]

1. Jimmy G has been to a Super Bowl and almost won
2. I think Mariota may have a Tannehill-type upside in his comeback
3. Minshew is young and has a 4-1 TD to INT ratio. His ceiling is still out there.

Of those 3 Minshew has the moxy to be a Ben type of player, a winning attitude. But any of the three would be fine with me as they would be in a good situation with a potentially top defense, good running game and solid WRs. All that is possible with a couple key FA’s and a good draft.

[Born2Steel]

What if Jimmy G wins a couple playoff games? He’s taken the Niners to the Super Bowl, he’s won a couple playoff games…at that point, do the Niners even want to let him go?

I actually feel like whichever team wins the Cowboys/49ers matchup this week is the team that will represent the NFC this year. Hard to count out Brady or Rodgers but I think the Cowboys and 49ers are both playing like complete teams.

[DesertSteel]

Of those 3 Minshew has the moxy to be a Ben type of player, a winning attitude. But any of the three would be fine with me as they would be in a good situation with a potentially top defense, good running game and solid WRs. All that is possible with a couple key FA’s and a good draft.
I agree that Minshew has the most X factor. I was really hoping we would make a move for him last year, at least to be Ben's backup and then takeover next year. Now, we'd have to give draft compensation. If the Eagles draft a QB I think that makes him more expendable.

[86WARD]

I agree that Minshew has the most X factor. I was really hoping we would make a move for him last year, at least to be Ben's backup and then takeover next year. Now, we'd have to give draft compensation. If the Eagles draft a QB I think that makes him more expendable.

If the Eagles draft a QB, Minshew goes nowhere. Hurts gets traded and Minshew stays as insuraaance.

[DesertSteel]

If the Eagles draft a QB, Minshew goes nowhere. Hurts gets traded and Minshew stays as insuraaance.
Good point, but I guess it could go either way with the backup there. They may look at Hurts to be the one to compete with the rookie for the 2022 starting job.

[86WARD]

Good point, but I guess it could go either way with the backup there. They may look at Hurts to be the one to compete with the rookie for the 2022 starting job.

Although Hurts may be a cheaper back up then Minshew…so maybe they do keep Hurts. With that, they keep more of a QB-Controversy spark then if they kept Minshew and they can probably get more for Hurts in trade value…I would think…

[DesertSteel]

Although Hurts may be a cheaper back up then Minshew…so maybe they do keep Hurts. With that, they keep more of a QB-Controversy spark then if they kept Minshew and they can probably get more for Hurts in trade value…I would think…
It's tough to make out what direction Hurts will go. Some games he looks really solid. I think he has more upside than say, a Mayfield, but do the Eagle's want to commit long term?? I think they may stick with him one more year to decide.

[Rotorhead]

Although Hurts may be a cheaper back up then Minshew…so maybe they do keep Hurts. With that, they keep more of a QB-Controversy spark then if they kept Minshew and they can probably get more for Hurts in trade value…I would think…

I wouldn’t be against Hurts either, I just assumed Minshew would be the expendable one given Hurts has been the starter.

[Mojouw]

Isn't Jalen Hurts just a less explosive Lamar Jackson? I have not had a chance to see very much of the 2021 Eagles offense, but they are calling running plays at a fairly brisk clip. Hurts looks to be running more than most QBs. And I haven't seen too many highlights where he is just passing all over people.

Does he excite more than Rudolph or Haskins? Sure. BUT...but...if you want to utilize a guy like Hurts as your QB, it can be a roster bending move. For him to flourish, you need to surround him with specific types of players and call specific types of plays. Is that something the Steelers are set up to do? Maybe. Is it what they seem to want to be? I don't think so. They seem to always want to be a team that can do a couple different things on offense. Now, they do NOT consistently pull that off...

[DesertSteel]

Doesn’t seem Hurts really took much of a leap in the passing game from last year to this. Might just be who he is. Better than Rudolph but so are 15 or so QBs that might be available.

[Mojouw]

Doesn’t seem Hurts really took much of a leap in the passing game from last year to this. Might just be who he is. Better than Rudolph but so are 15 or so QBs that might be available.

Good points.

The Eagles have built a system that allows Hurts to perform well. I do not think he does well outside of that system.

[DesertSteel]

Good points.

The Eagles have built a system that allows Hurts to perform well. I do not think he does well outside of that system.
Yeah LJ has a WR body and Hurts has a RB body so it can withstand more collisions.

[cubanstogie]

Good points.

The Eagles have built a system that allows Hurts to perform well. I do not think he does well outside of that system.
I agree Hurts needs a specific system and wouldn’t fair well as a traditional drop back QB. I think he passes a little better than Lamar. Hurts atleast has some touch and takes care of the ball better, obviously less explosive though. Not sure if he ever takes the next step which is needed to become franchise QB. He’s an easy guy to root for though but it seems like he’s going to compete for starting job every year.

[Mojouw]

Hurts for me is a someone I don’t know a lot about. I keep hearing that Willis is a similar prospect.

Makes me wonder two things:
1. Does Hurst cost more or less draft picks to pry out of the Eagles?
2.. How long into the draft would Willis have to fall for Philly to take him and continue their pattern of having multiple QBs in the system?

Which brings us back to Minshew.

[cubanstogie]

Hurts for me is a someone I don’t know a lot about. I keep hearing that Willis is a similar prospect.

Makes me wonder two things:
1. Does Hurst cost more or less draft picks to pry out of the Eagles?
2.. How long into the draft would Willis have to fall for Philly to take him and continue their pattern of having multiple QBs in the system?

Which brings us back to Minshew.
I heard during game Philly has 3 first round pics. Hard to believe they’re not taking a QB after watching Hurts.

[Mojouw]

I heard during game Philly has 3 first round pics. Hard to believe they’re not taking a QB after watching Hurts.

Agreed. There’s a version where they just open it up to Hurts, Minshew, and 1st round pick next training camp and see what they see.

They will be a fascinating team to watch this off-season.

The New York teams and the Iggles control the draft.

[Fire Goodell]

Sam Howell in R2 is my call