True, so maybe the indictment is on the concept of the "CEO" head coach?Originally Posted by Mojouw
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True, so maybe the indictment is on the concept of the "CEO" head coach?
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Maybe? But some of these fancy scheme guys are struggling to even reach the heights Tomlin has let alone sustain it year over year.
I suppose I struggle to figure out what business model Tomlin is running. The coach that shall never be mentioned (rhymes with Smellicheck) has a clear and obvious stamp on his teams. The same can be said for Carroll, Payton and McVay, etc. If Tomlin has been anointed CEO, what is the business plan? What concepts and schemes are his?
To put it another way, if Tomlin WERE to go out and replace his coordinators with guys that fit into HIS business plan, what are those unique qualities and characteristics?
I truly have no idea.
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I think it has something to do with creating an environment that guys want to be in.
A recent example is Momtravious Adams comments that he wants to stay here forever. He’s been in some well regarded teams and seems to be over the moon about playing here.
Witherspoon recently talked extensively about how Tomlin and Austin taught him how to be a professional at football. Haden and Fitzpatrick have mentioned this as well.
Haskins also made similar comments.
That seems to part of the Tomlin “brand” as well. He appears to have success with teaching guys what it takes to go to work at football each day rather than just play football.
Banner is another example. They got his body right. Said they wanted him to develop into a “$60 million “ tackle. Prior to his injury, that seemed possible.
What that means overall? Not clever enough to put together.
That's a fair assessment.
However, I think we need some Xs and Os coaches who are both held accountable AND hold the players accountable, not coaches who give players the warm and fuzzies and make Pittsburgh a comfortable place to play football. I think this is where some of the purported "lack of accountability" issues creep into the business operation.
Obviously I have no inside knowledge of these claims, but they have been made by media and unnamed members of the locker room in the past. Just spitballin' cuz there ain't nothing else to talk about.
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Are the claims about “lack of accountability” ever anything but rampant speculation? I feel like fans are certain it’s the case but other than the AB situation I’m wondering if it is “real”?That's a fair assessment.
However, I think we need some Xs and Os coaches who are both held accountable AND hold the players accountable, not coaches who give players the warm and fuzzies and make Pittsburgh a comfortable place to play football. I think this is where some of the purported "lack of accountability" issues creep into the business operation.
Obviously I have no inside knowledge of these claims, but they have been made by media and unnamed members of the locker room in the past. Just spitballin' cuz there ain't nothing else to talk about.
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I have no idea. All I know is some of my best mentors were able to create a good place to learn but also enforce accountability. But, some couldn’t handle it. So there’s that.
Yep, I agree. I have no idea what the truth is - could be rampant speculation or could be grounded in truth.
I find Tomlin very hard to read... I think I'd have a better chance at reading hieroglyphics and on the wall of a cave in Tibet than understanding some of what Tomlin says.
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Absolutely. Tomlin and to a degree just the Steelers in general practice their own version of mafia omertà. Again, part of Tomlin’s “brand”.
But, like you said, fans and even reporters have little to go on.
Fun to talk about.
Bruce Arians - Inherited coach.
Dick LeBeau - Inherited coach.
Keith Butler - Inherited coach.
Todd Haley - left football for radio and high school football. I think he’s going to the USFL next. But not really under Tomlin’s tree.
Has Tomlin really had the opportunity to hire his own coaches or are these coaches suggestions from the front office?
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I get your point, but he didn't necessarily have to promote from within.
I suppose my point is that Mike isn't an Xs and Os coach. I believe he was hired for his leadership skills and ability to rally the troops. That's why he promotes from within, because he leaves the game planning to his assistants, although MT has made suggestions recently that he may be more involved than we know.
The only issue I see with that is that if the current plan isn't working, then promoting an underling into a DC or OC role may not move the needle in the right direction.
Again, not advocating for coaching changes, just discussion.
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Butler was his good ole boy from way back ( as was ) Fichtner ... so its safe to say those where Tomlin guys even tho Butler was already on staff when Mike came on the scene
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
I get that Fichtner and Butler and Tomlin were all boys from way back. And clearly that is exactly how the NFL coaching game is played.
BUT...on the offensive side, once Haley departed/was ousted/tequila cowboyed his way out of town/whatever it was Ben Roethlisberger's show on offense. They weren't going to hire an OC to come in and revamp and install a new system. They just weren't.
On defense...you go from the Wizard to his last disciple left standing. Who else were they going to hire? Then, when cracks begin to show, Tomlin inserts himself and later Austin.
What is my point? 2022 is the first time that they team has a reason to hire "outside coaches" that may actually change anything. Previous to that...who would want to come here and just run what Ben wants on offense and what the team is already successful with on defense? That doesn't get that coordinator any "juice" the next hiring cycle.
I am not saying this was a "good" idea or a "good" thing but it is how I see it.
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And have you convinced yourself that they will??
Likely not.
I have already said that I am convinced they stick with Canada at OC.
I think they kick Austin up to DC and he and Tomlin continue their collaborative efforts there. Maybe they bring in another defensive coach with some "pass rush coordinator" or "outside linebackers coach" title.
All I was really trying to say is that if you step back and look at it while comparing it to other situations across the league...it makes "sense" how the coaching staff has been stocked. Will that reasoning and set of decision making parameters continue? I suspect not. There is now reason, at least on offense, to go and get another perspective. Maybe they do that now or maybe they do that once they feel they have the QB...I guess we will see.
Basically/Kinda what I was trying to say with a lot less verbiage…lol.
Yeah. I have far TOO MANY thoughts on this particular subject.
Art Rooney II could overrule Mike Tomlin on retaining OC Matt Canada according to Dulac
https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/20...-bruce-arians/
The sun could go supernova as well. All things are possible.
Now…what is likely? That’s a bit trickier.
to quote Mike Tomlin , when you have red paint you paint the bard red .... Problem is we didnt do that ,,, Canada trying to square peg round hole his scheme and the only time we seemingly moved the ball is when we went no huddle and Canada was taken out of or became very limited in the equation ...
Painting the barn red would mean Canada would have made adjustments based on the capability of his personnel and he simply did no such thing ... We had red paint by the drums full but that Barn was reclaimed lumber brown all year long
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
I don't think the decision is made yet for Canada...Tomlin hasn't confirmed anything yet on tuesday
But the question is, when was the last time the Steelers fired an assistant coach(OC or DC) with 1 or more years left in their contract?
I think that it was under Cowher!
Yeah, I think 2022 will be a transitional year on offense where they see what Canada does with a different QB, and perhaps some upgrades on the O-line.
The only scenario where I think everything is on the table is if they get Aaron Rodgers, in which case Rodgers might have some “suggestions” that the Steelers would feel compelled to comply with. But by then it might be difficult to replace Canada as all the big name coordinators will have their 2022 jobs. Not sure how that would work. I’m sure that’s why Denver took the preemptive step of hiring Green Bay’s OC as their new coach because they know it sends the message to Rodgers that they will bend over backwards to make him happy.
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The Broncos signed the GB OC for one reason, to get Rodgers in Denver. I believe Rodgers mentioned possibly playing in Denver last off season, so this was a very good move by them if I am being honest. Rodgers goes to a team with a solid defense, $$ to pay him and was really missing a QB and 1-2 pieces on offense last season. Everything they need to do to compete is doable this offseason. And he doesn’t have to relearn the offense.
So Matt Canada will remain as OC.
Teryl Austin will be the new DC and Tomlin will make the defensive calls.
Mason Rudolph is not athletic enough, nor able to complete passes well enough to be the new QB
Kevin Colbert is gonna hang around as advisor, but Khan or Hunt will be the new GM. Cool.
Elway is on the phone with Rodgers' agent this very second...
Whi is Matt Canada really? What in his hostory tells Tomlin hes the guy?
I dont follow college football that closely so i an legot asking those of you who do.
Btw is it normal in college to do alot of one year stints? In the pros that wouldnt seem normal at all.
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could have something to do with tomlins son playing at maryland under canada.
His kids that old already?
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Hmmm...I think I'll just put this here and move along.
https://steelersnow.com/edj-sports-s...cision-making/
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