Do you have any idea what the fuck you're talking about?Originally Posted by Butch
The Browns were up by 17 (2407 at the half) and STILL scored another 10 points in the second half. How do you blame the Browns offensive coordinator for losing a game in which he put up THIRTY-THREE points? Seriously, you're suggesting that it was Bruce Arians fault that the Browns lost after scoring THIRTY THREE POINTS.
It's why I get tired of arguing with dolts on message boards.
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AWWW Poor Suit resorting to cursing and name calling now. Go tell mommy you got your feewings hurt.
You were the one who declared Brucee to be a Genius not me. You were also the one who brought this game up to make an example of his greatness. Apparently he wasn't enough of a Genius that night. Remember how he was so masterful at carving up the secondary??? What happened??? If he was such a Genius why couldn't he score more??? If he scores just 3 more points the game goes into overtime. Seemed like he was able to score at will up until late in the 3rd quarter. What happened???Nobody better than Bruce at making in game adjustments. Our offense led by Tommy Gun was able to adjust and got back into the game, so why can't the Genius get more out of his team???
Bruce's problem is that he's good, sometimes even great, for a while but his offenses stall and the other team gets back into the game. Of course this is never Bruce's fault it's the players performance that is to blame.
Tell me again about what a Genius he is while defending what he did in Cleavland against the worst rushing D against a strong heavy wind.
I'm tired to hear about Arians to each thread of Haley
C'mon, Arians is now with the Colts
Actually, Chuck Pagano called him a "brilliant coordinator". I never called him a genius.
I also have never blamed an OC for losing a game by putting together a brilliant gameplan and scoring 33 points. You did.
Also, I'm not calling you a name, I'm labeling you as a dolt, based on repeated doltish comments, talking out your ass, refusing to admit you're wrong after being backed into a corner with nowhere to go. If someone is retarded, and acts retarded, and says and does retarded things, labeling them a retard is simply describing them, not calling them names. I'd only be calling you a name is you weren't a dolt. But it's an accurate description based on the content of your posts and the information contained in them.
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/colts_head_coach_chuck_pagano_calls_hiring_of_bruc e_arians_a_homerun/11224456
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Warning Lets keep it civil please Thank you. i agree with PB enough already if a thead is about Haley why bring up BA?
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Out of Respect for those above who have requested it I will no longer comment on B.A. or Suit's opinions in this thread.
I will not comment on the insults that Suit has so eloquently spewed at me because it is the wishes of a friend of mine. Doesn't mean that I couldn't respond rather that today I will take the higher road.
Suit, you know you cannot browbeat people into admitting they were wrong, just because you want them to. All it does is piss people off. And how many times are we going to have to warn you about the name-calling and insults (and no matter how you try to sugar-coat it, that is what you are doing). Please, and this is the absolute final time I am going to say this...knock it off! I have had enough.
I liked what I saw out of Haley's play calling the other night. He did a great job of mixing it up.
He mixed up the QB's drops. Lotsa 3 step stuff. The nice little sprint out play where Ben hit AB on the out. We know that with a QB like Ben and WRs with young fresh legs...we'll still see plenty of deep drops from Ben where he can challenge the defense deep.
As far as the Arians talk...there will constantly be comparisons between he and Haley. Now as a newbie on Steelers Universe I have no idea about the history of the Arians bickering. Nor am I trying to stir the pot in any way.
I wll say, however, in comparing BA and Haley...based on the extremely short sample of play calling of 1 preseason game, we already saw Haley make a "brilliant" in game adjustment. After the Arians experience, it was amazing to see a Steeler OC call plays that force Ben to get it out of his hand quicker to alleviate and slow down the pass rush.
Arians refused to do that by continuing to call for 5 and 7 step drops in spite of a leaky OL. Ultimately it forced him into Art II's version of retirement.
Haley seems to play the hand he is dealt and I like that. I would rather have that than a guy who is married to a particular style.
i like how people are essentially analyzing an offense that we've essentially seen 1% of
Who did that? I simply pointed out that if Haley wants to run when everyone knows we're running, and pass when everyone knows we're passing, we will HAVE to execute better than we have in the past.
I didn't even bring BA up, someone else did...basically blaming him for things that don't even fall under his purview. I don't really WANT to talk about BA anymore, but I just beg and plead that if people feel they MUST discuss him then PLEASE and at least only blame him for things that fall under his area of authority. No need to "Bu-bu-bu-but Bruce" this issue....
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sorry for favoring a far more reputable offensive coordinator. Yikes
And who didn't favor him? Me?
And I have no idea where the "far more reputable" comes in. As far as I can see, both are equally employed, and Haley is one the lacking the Super Bowl winning credentials.
I'm just tired of this purifying garbage gutter logic, this intellectually lazy tripe where the less astute who can't grasp the complexity of an NFL offense just fob off every problem, real or imagined, attributable to him or not, on the OC. We see it several times in this very thread. Offensive line failure? OC's fault. Defenses inability to stop an opposing QB? OC's fault. All roads lead back to the Steelers offensive coordinator.
Haley's time is coming. His merits, strengths, creativity, IQ, football acumen and pedigree be damned, he's a Steelers OC, so HE WILL BE SCAPEGOATED.
It just gets old...
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The gamethread in the game between the Colts and the Steelers could be very ugly!
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hadn't even thought about that
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lol, just no
I don't know why...Arians is not our OC anymore. The offensive woes of the current team cannot POSSIBLY be blamed on him...at least i don't THINK they can.
Well, maybe they can. If people can find a way to blame the Steelers DEFENSE on the OC, they can probably contort their logic through enough mental gymnastics to blame Arians for something or other on the Arians-less Steelers...Hell, that one guy here still blames Kordell Stewart for things 10 years after he took his last snap with the B&G!
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what offensive woes...
You saw no flaws or holes in our offense Thursday night? Every phase of it was perfectly in synch and firing on all cylinders, and will continue to be perfect every single play? We scored TD's on long drives every possession?
I'm talking about the people who complain incessantly about every little thing that is out-of-synch or not perfectly executed. Those people need a scapegoat, and I'm presuming they may try to find a logic loophole and just keep on blaming Arians even though....well you know, he's not actually COACHING here anymore.
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Otherwise, why would the gameday thread be contentious? Arians is gone and no longer our OC.
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Arians is now with the Colts
this thread was about Haley ... not a thread of Haley vs. Arians!
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OR it's been one pre-season game and even being able to find a discussion on Todd Haley's offense sounds farfetched.
How many seasons now has it been, every year the same thread on running the ball. You don't think the coaches, the players, and the rest of the staff know how plan a running attack.
It's all about execution, how the players react in a situation. Ever offensive position is responsible for how that particular running play will fall into action.
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Lol at people picking out flaws in the offense already...it's the first preseason game...lol.
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And the offense of the Steelers had scored 10 points on two drives against the first defensive unit of eagles!Lol at people picking out flaws in the offense already...it's the first preseason game...lol.
But the eagles were missing so many starters!! Lol...
Then why not let it drop or maybe start your own thread on the Genius of B.A.???
This thread is about Haley who is now the O.C. and for what it's worth tallied the score board with the starters for both teams no the field. I did not see the game so I'm not ready to sing his praises yet but I'm more impressed with what his game plan was last week than I am worried about what it might become when all the starters aren't in.
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I think we all know, even TOMLIN knows the DEFENSE carried us to the SuperBowl in '08 with Arians, and that's that. I think Haley did well for his first game, and being that it's a preseason game, all this criticism from a singular biased party doesn't make too much sense to me. The LAST thing i'm paying attention to this preseason is the play-calling, because it's usually centered around how we can get reps to these young players. The play-calling can truly be judged week one of the regular season, when it really matters.
I commented about execution, and the lack of it. I did not mention Arians. Someone else did, and then the thread went off on a tangent about how Arians was an idiot and how everything was all his fault. I didn't bring it up, but I did address the idiocy that always seems to surround him. I never called him a genius, but I did cite a source who happens to be an NFL coach and former defensive coordinator who game planned against him who said he was brilliant.
Hmmmmm.......who should I believe? Who knows more about these things? Chuck Pagano, or..............................you...........hmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
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You really think we would expose our full offense in a preseason game?
I'm stating that a certain contingency of posters here will soon find themselves in a bit of a pickle. Since someone must be blamed if we don't score a TD on every possession, and win every game 100-0, and they used to just heap all the blame for everything that went wrong in ANY of the three phases of the game on Arians, AND they don't want to be seen as reactionary and reflexively dumping on the new OC (as predicted), they will need a scapegoat if and when things go wrong.You really think we would expose our full offense in a preseason game?
This contingency (contrary to their own high opinion of themselves) is, generally speaking, not the best and the brightest. I'm predicting that, since someone must be blamed they may just fall back on the tired and easy excuse and just keep blaming Arians.
By the way, concerning last Thursday, yes, I did see some offensive woes that had nothing to do with the OC. The blocking up front was bad. And here's how we come full circle again. I don't care HOW good of an OC Haley is, if we continue to block like that every game this year, we will be no better, and perhaps even worse off, then we were last year. That's pretty much all I was saying in the first place. I don't care if it's Todd Haley, or Ted Marchibroda, or Bruce Arians, or Bill Walsh, or Don Coryell calling the plays, if you don't block up front, and you don't run crisp routes, and you don't catch the balls or hit the holes, your offense will suffer.
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