His name isn't Brady, Manning or Rodgers. So he has no chance in hell. A good argument can also be made for AB as league MVP.
Bell, Ben and Brown can all be in the discussions for league MVP. There's absolutely no reason Bens name shouldn't be in there with Rodgers and Brady...
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Out of the three, I think AB should be most in the discussion. Ben deserves to also be in it, but of course will get snubbed in favor of one of The Anointed. Antonio Brown, however, show me a receiver who's been more consistent this year.
Because we have 3 MVP candidates on the roster and no other team can say that
They'll give it to J.J. Watt, no question. That drumbeat has been going for months, and no QB has separated himself from the rest enough. The fact that Ugly Rapist Ben tied for the league lead in passing with a guy from a 7-9 team in a division that the league wants to sweep under the rug this season seals it - no QB will get it.
In the past, if there was a year like this they would've just given the award to Peyton Manning, and in fact they still might, but he struggled so hard for the second half of the season that everyone would know it was a complete joke.
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I agree, that's all that I've been hearing. He had a great year but I don't see how you can give the MVP to someone on a team that didn't even make the playoffs. DPOY is a different story.
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If Peyton And Brady were tied, they'd give MVP to Brady, O-Player of year to Manning and D-Player to Watt...
If JJ Watt doesn't win league MVP, a defensive player will NEVER win it. Guy played both sides of the ball and special teams. Scored TDs on both sides of the ball. Had 20 sacks for the second season in a row and was just an all around monster at the line of scrimmage. If anyone deserves MVP, his name is in it...regardless of whether or not he was on a winning team. Without him, the Texans may be in the discussion for the #1 pick overall.
It really comes down to a persons definition of MVP...
This is pretty much exactly what I was saying a couple of nights ago. If Watt is not able to win league MVP with the year that he has had, then defensive players should no longer even be mentioned when discussing MVP candidates. If he doesn't win then everybody will know that it is impossible to win it as a defensive player.
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As good as Watt is, he isn't close to being league MVP. I mean his stats are meaningless if his teams Defense is not even a top-15 Defense. I mean KC LB Houston had arguably as good if not a better statistical season then Watt. And NO WAY has Watt had a better season then James Harrison did in 2008...and Harrison didn't win it then, and that was Harrison leading us as the best Defense in the league. So Watt being mentioned as a MVP choice is Ridiculous.
LOL. ... Not even a comparison.
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I agree, he's surely worthy. He'd get my vote.
He certainly should be in the voting.
Here is how I look at MVP. Are the Broncos in worse shape without Manning than the Steelers would be without Roethlisberger? What about Luck? Perhaps even JJ Watts? What hurts BR's chances is the fact the Steelers have Brown and Bell on the roster. Bell could be in the running for MVP also.
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Without Ben and with this defense, the 2014 Steelers are a 7-win team. Tops. If Ben doesn't play at least halfway decent, we simply don't win. That has not been the case with Manning and the Broncos for the most part, at least not this year. Manning has thrown 6 INTs against 5 TDs over the Broncos' last 5 games and the Broncos have still managed to go 4-1. That doesn't happen for the Steelers if Ben posts those kinds of numbers.
He will be, but around 10th or so, which is where he deserves to be. I mean like it or not, JJ Watt is not a difference making Defensive player.
But, like someone else said "valuable" is kind of a vague term and can mean different things to different people. Football is such a team sport like no other that it becomes really subjective. It's not really an award worth caring about EXCEPT that at the end of Ben's career if anyone isn't sure if he should be inducted into the HOF an MVP season looks nice on paper. Along with (at least) 2 Rings and (at least) three trips to the Super Bowl, that extra stat could sway some sportswriter. Remember, when Ben's name comes up for consideration he will have some hurdles to overcome in some people's minds.
But a couple more seasons like this one and/or another ring, and you can't possibly justify keeping Ben out. The reason I think 2 rings might not be enough on their own is if Eli's career ends today, is he getting in based on his 2 rings? I really don't think so. And he has put up some big numbers to boot.
What hurts Ben's chances is that he would be bad PR at a time when the league is getting its ass kicked by women's rights activists, and domestic violence this, and sexual assault that. He'd have to blow away the closest competitor by 1,000 yards and 20 TDs to even come close to being considered, and even then I wouldn't be surprised if they just gave it to Manning.
The same thing happened to Kobe Bryant in the mid-2000s - there were at least two seasons when he could've been named MVP and one where he hands-down should've won it, but he was barely even mentioned as a candidate because of his ... stuff that happened.
"Oh hey Kobe, good to see you. Looks like you're dominating the shit out of everyone, but, eh ... you see, um ... well, nobody likes you. We'll just give this to Steve Nash again instead."
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If Troy has never been seriously considered , I don't see Watt being considered. A few seasons Troy was the best player hands down, every team had to account for him in their plan, he made huge plays that turned games, and we were champions because of it. Watt hasn't elevated the play of that defense .
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True that. Also, if Reggie White didn't even get considered for the award back in 1987, then how can Watt be laughingly considered now ? And JJ Watt is not even a PIMPLE on Reggie White's ASS!! I mean White had 21 Sacks, and 100 + tackles in 12 games!! ( 12 people )...White was the most unstoppable SOB as a DE I ever saw play.
What makes you think White wasn't considered? And I think it's more than slightly wrong to say that "JJ Watt is not even a PIMPLE on Reggie White's ASS!!" White had a 1/2 more sack than Watt and Watt had 4 FF (White 0) and 5 fumble recoveries (White 1). And Watt broke White's record (set in 1991) for passes defended. Also White played in an era when it was just a wee bit easier to play defense. I'm not just talking about the rules. O-linemen are monsters these days and Watt dominates them all.
Don't get me wrong, Reggie White was one of the best ever, but to call Watt less than a pimple on his ass... well, you see what I'm saying.
Both guys great. Both guys should have been in the conversation. But in the end I doubt Watt will get the MVP either.
I think that the league generally hates to give the MVP to a defensive player, especially when that team didn't make the playoffs. I didn't look it up but I'm going to guess that the year Lawrence Taylor won it (is he the only one to ever win it?) that team went to the Super Bowl. If not, they surely went to the playoffs and LT was really the most valuable player on that team. He affected other team's offensive coordinators like no one else maybe ever. As good as Watt is, he doesn't have that kind of impact on the league (or get the kind of press LT got).
The only thing he does have going for him, as someone else pointed out, is that no QB really separated himself that much from the others. I guess most people would argue that Aaron Rogers was the most important for his team, but do the Patriots, Broncos or Steelers really have a chance in hell in any game without their starting QB? Not likely.
So if you can't single out a QB maybe got to a RB, and Demarco Murray is always the first guy mentioned, but is he that much more important to the Cowboys than Bell is to the Steelers? Not really. Plus he had the best O-line in the league. If you could give an MVP to a whole unit those would be the guys that get my vote.
So I guess it's possible that all those offensive guys canceling each other out gives Watt a chance. Plus I can see people thinking he's the cool and edgy choice.
But in my opinion the MVP shouldn't be given out until after the Super Bowl. I don't remember who got the MVP for the '08 season, but whoever it was, how can you say that guy was more valuable than Ben? Regardless of statistics. Ben came through when he absolutely had to (in the season, the playoffs, and in the Super Bowl) with a really bad O-line. How is that not more valuable than anyone else in the league?
Alan Page won MVP at some point as well.
During the Reggie White Era, Emmitt, Young, Favre...those were MVP winners at those times...to name a few.
Really,,,,Emmit Smith and Bret Favre were MVP winners during what I sited as the 1987 Reggie White season...Dude, BOTH Emmit and Favre were not even INt he F'ing league in 1987. And what does that have to do with anything ? My point was that there have been many many Defensive players with way better seasons then JJ Watt had this season, and they never won MVP. You act as IF...the other players like Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Manning and Brady and BEN are nothing but SCRUBS, and that is why JJ Watt should get the award. I mean seriously....seek medication Immediately!!
Reading comprehension...not your strong suit.
Never did I say 1987. I said during the White era...point being...some pretty decent players during a Whites career won the MVP. First thing you can't comprehend.
Never did I say JJ Watt is a lock for the MVP. Never did I say he was my choice for MVP. He deserves to be in the conversation and has had one of the best seasons a defensive player has ever had...if he doesn't win it, a defensive player may never win it again. Second thing you can't comprehend.
Show me where I made an insinuation that Rodgers, Romo, Ben, Brady, etc...where scrubs?
Good imagination you have...lol. Quite entertaining.
What's the point? Lol...I could name 15 defensive player as well. Lol. Thomas deserved to be in an MVP discussion as well...
You are right, Thomas was a stud, and deserved to be in MVP discussions back then, and maybe he was...that I do not remember. And I also think JJ Watt is a very good player. But he was not anywhere near as good a DL as White was, who was dominating his whole career. Or as Bruce Smith was. Or do you really think JJ Watt was ever as purely dominating as " Mean Joe Green was ? I mean c'mon dude. You're a good guy but seriously, JJ Watt for all his talent and ability is not a MVP Candidate.
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Ahh...WRONG. White in 87 had 21 Sacks, and also had 4 FF.And he had like 17 more tackles then JJ, and in only 12 games as opposed to Watt's full 16 games. You must be a young puppy cause you clearly did not see White at his best as an Adult. Cause if you had, you wouldn't even be arguing JJ Watt and Reggie White as anything CLOSE to talent level.
You know, I was just about to to put up a post defending you, but I can now see why you are being accused of being a troll by multiple people (whose opinions I respect very much). If I was mistaken about White's stats in one category it's because wikipedia is wrong. But why did you have to turn it personal when I was actually engaging you in polite debate and taking you seriously? I'm 42 and watched Reggie White play quite a bit. I said he was great, and he was. Certainly head and shoulders above the competition of his era. J.J. Watt is also great, but in the era of the offense. If you think Watt is less than a pimple on anyone's ass then you must be delusional and possibly senile. You've made it very clear that you are quite old.
So congrats, you managed to get under my skin as well everyone else's, so you can chalk up another point when you report back to your clan of the cave troll. Now you've got one less person on this board who is willing to engage with you in a polite manner. You can go to sleep happy.
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