Justin Fields case for QB1

Just so we don’t have to keep using a preseason thread to discuss the merits of Fields to be the QB1, here’s a new thread for that purpose.

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Here is my first contribution to the thread. For those who think Fields cannot do the spectacular or splash play when needed, here is a short highlight video from 2023. He can do stuff like that dime he threw Pickens that got called back, every Sunday.

You'll need to click on the link to watch the video in YouTube. It's only 5 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7eZuvAoNAU

Can't wait for this to turn into another KP thread. :lol:

Good gracious. I forget just how strong this kid’s arm actually is.

The Steelers are coaching Fields differently in some way. In that highlight video there where a number of plays where Fields hit the top of his drop and then bounced and bounced and bounced again as he tried to decide what to do.

In contrast, it seems for the Steelers he is hitting the top of his drop and either throwing or taking off. Maybe they cut his number of reads down? But something seems to be speeding up.

I'm not going to be satisfied until I see Russell Wilson play. I want to see that Fields' play is actually better than Russ's.

According to 2023 On target stats, Fields is good at making plays under pressure, among the best, but just about the worst at on target percentage from a clean pocket. Want to know who is good at both?

Wilson and Mahomes

Fields has trouble making the simple pass, sounds a little like trubisky

Does anyone remember what it looked like in Tannehill’s first day 4 weeks as a Titan?

Wondering if this is Smith’s fix a QB plan. High percentage throws. Low turnover exposure. Simple reads. Etc. Then slowly open it up as your reclamation QB starts trusting himself.

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Can't wait for this to turn into another KP thread. :lol:

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Well you’re the one that started it, so why?

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Originally Posted by Mach1

Can't wait for this to turn into another KP thread. :lol:

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Who?

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It seems to me Fields hasnt been coached well or needs to practice more to get better at making the routine play. Its obvious the guy has talent but is still an unfinished product. So what are we going to do? Start him and sit wWilson down? I thought this was the year we were going to make a push in the playoffs? If Tomlin keeps Fields as the starter and keeps Wilson on the bench without giving him a chance and creates another unhappy Qb situation (maybe Wilson demands a trade too) then i give up. And ill say Tomlin totally doesnt know what the fu** he's doing

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

It seems to me Fields hasnt been coached well or needs to practice more to get better at making the routine play. It’s obvious the guy has talent but is still an unfinished product. So what are we going to do? Start him and sit wWilson down? I thought this was the year we were going to make a push in the playoffs? If Tomlin keeps Fields as the starter and keeps Wilson on the bench without giving him a chance and creates another unhappy Qb situation (maybe Wilson demands a trade too) then i give up. And ill say Tomlin totally doesnt know what the fu** he's doing

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So if Fields starts and the team goes 4-0 you’re gonna be pissed that Wilson is not playing? I don’t get that at all!

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

So if Fields starts and the team goes 4-0 you’re gonna be pissed that Wilson is not playing? I don’t get that at all!

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If its a 4-0 where the defense is playing lights out and were just getting by with narrow victories cause the offense cant generate TD’s yeah ill be pissed. We will not get very far like that.

We’ll have a future hall of famer with 26 TD’s last year on a poor broncos team languishing on the bench, yeah that will suck.

Alternatively, the back half of their schedule will likely make or break their season.

Let the highly mobile guy play behind the still gelling line. Get some seasoning. Hand it off to a fully healthy Wilson in a couple of weeks and hit your stretch run with a fully healthy Wilson.

One other thought.

Fields played under an enormous weight in Chicago of having to save the franchise. He didn’t.

Maybe it was his fault. Or maybe he flourishes with that weight removed.

An even more highly regarded prospect is currently looking poor in the same situation.

I don’t think the book is closed on Fields. I also don’t think it is clear that he will have any kind of significant resurgence.

On the other hand the bet that Wilson will get and stay healthy and perform better at his age is no sure thing either.

I think he can easily be as good as Jalen Hurts with very similar skill sets.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

I think he can easily be as good as Jalen Hurts with very similar skill sets.

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I think that’s fair and reasonable.

Of the two options; who do you think would be “better” for the Eagles right now Fields/Hurts or Wilson?

I’m not sure I know the answer to that.

Before I get on the Fields bandwagon I want to see him put up a lot more than one touchdown every two games. I also want to see what he can do when we're behind with two minutes or so left in the game and he has to direct a drive down the field with the opposing defense knowing he has to pass and throwing the kitchen sink at him.

If he does pass these tests then the Steelers should stick with him. Wilson should only be brought in when/if Fields is not doing the job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnRFPZCmZPw

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I think that’s fair and reasonable.

Of the two options; who do you think would be “better” for the Eagles right now Fields/Hurts or Wilson?

I’m not sure I know the answer to that.

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Kenny. How could it not be Kenny?

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Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Before I get on the Fields bandwagon I want to see him put up a lot more than one touchdown every two games. I also want to see what he can do when we're behind with two minutes or so left in the game and he has to direct a drive down the field with the opposing defense knowing he has to pass and throwing the kitchen sink at him.

If he does pass these tests then the Steelers should stick with him. Wilson should only be brought in when/if Fields is not doing the job.

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100 percent.

The idea that some of the reason to continue to start Fields is that the Steelers o-line is leaky as all get out: https://steelersdepot.com/2024/09/un...t-rate-in-nfl/

They are not exactly playing like a brick wall out there. Fields mitigates some of that. A hobbled Wilson would not.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnRFPZCmZPw

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What I noticed:

1. The Steelers guards were terrible in the highlighted plays. The OTs were not much better. Too many random pass rushers left wandering around.

2. Somewhere else a last season highlight video was posted of Fields. Watch that and notice how LONG it takes Fields to do something. Watch this package of plays. Totally different. He is taking his drop and making a decision. Someone on the Steelers staff has rebuilt this dude's brain so far. The only sack that was shown was when the "old" Fields came out. He hit the top of his drop and bounced a couple of times before he tried to take off. If he would've just trusted his initial thought that the routes were all covered and took off immediately, he likely would've had a big run.

3. Routes that help other routes! Imagine the idea. Nice to see something different than Canada's mirror show.

4. Fields has one heckuva an arm.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

What I noticed:

1. The Steelers guards were terrible in the highlighted plays. The OTs were not much better. Too many random pass rushers left wandering around.

2. Somewhere else a last season highlight video was posted of Fields. Watch that and notice how LONG it takes Fields to do something. Watch this package of plays. Totally different. He is taking his drop and making a decision. Someone on the Steelers staff has rebuilt this dude's brain so far. The only sack that was shown was when the "old" Fields came out. He hit the top of his drop and bounced a couple of times before he tried to take off. If he would've just trusted his initial thought that the routes were all covered and took off immediately, he likely would've had a big run.

3. Routes that help other routes! Imagine the idea. Nice to see something different than Canada's mirror show.

4. Fields has one heckuva an arm.

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Anderson is terrible as guard....Just awful.I think he will be back on the bench in week 4!

Coaching works…

Just be happy that Kliff Kingsbury isn’t the OC!!

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Coaching works…

Just be happy that Kliff Kingsbury isn’t the OC!!

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hah! He should've stayed in Thailand.

Remember all the fanfare he came into the league with? Now he is gonna wreck his second young QB.

I will admit I thought he would do well as an OC. Not so much...

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

hah! He should've stayed in Thailand.

Remember all the fanfare he came into the league with? Now he is gonna wreck his second young QB.

I will admit I thought he would do well as an OC. Not so much...

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Too much finesse in his offense!

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

hah! He should've stayed in Thailand.

Remember all the fanfare he came into the league with? Now he is gonna wreck his second young QB.

I will admit I thought he would do well as an OC. Not so much...

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Isn't Daniels performing the best of all the R1 quarterbacks? KK sucked as a HC, I witnessed that up close.

Is it Tomlin's fault that Wilson is hobbled? Is it Fields' fault? Is it this message board's fault? Maybe it's the S&C coach's fault. Maybe it's Wilson's fault if he wasn't warmed up or isn't rehabbing the best way. But otherwise, it is what it is. Wishing Wilson was playing aint gonna make it happen. And honestly, it could be a season long issue.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

hah! He should've stayed in Thailand.

Remember all the fanfare he came into the league with? Now he is gonna wreck his second young QB.

I will admit I thought he would do well as an OC. Not so much...

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He’s wrecked or “tried to wreck” so many QBs…

Patrick Mahomes
Kyler Murray
Caleb Williams
Jayden Daniels

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

Is it Tomlin's fault that Wilson is hobbled? Is it Fields' fault? Is it this message board's fault? Maybe it's the S&C coach's fault. Maybe it's Wilson's fault if he wasn't warmed up or isn't rehabbing the best way. But otherwise, it is what it is. Wishing Wilson was playing aint gonna make it happen. And honestly, it could be a season long issue.

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Kenny Pickett did it.

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

He’s wrecked or “tried to wreck” so many QBs…

Patrick Mahomes
Kyler Murray
Caleb Williams
Jayden Daniels

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Good point!

I really thought he’d make some positive noise when he came to the NFL.

WHOOPS.

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Is it Tomlin's fault that Wilson is hobbled?

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It's Tomlin's fault for bringing in a 36 year old QB as his main man without realizing that there was a good chance he could be injured.

Wilson injured himself (a) warming up on the first day in training camp, and (b) in a non-contact practice. Even assuming that he comes back in a week or two, how long do you think he'll last when he starts playing in actual games?

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point!

I really thought he’d make some positive noise when he came to the NFL.

WHOOPS.

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When they mentioned him as an OC, that was worst case scenario for me. Still would take him over Canada but jeez…that would’ve been painful!

We need the chicken who spins a roulette wheel to call the offense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guMEaU75DXc

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Coaching works…

Just be happy that Kliff Kingsbury isn’t the OC!!

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hah! He should've stayed in Thailand.

Remember all the fanfare he came into the league with? Now he is gonna wreck his second young QB.

I will admit I thought he would do well as an OC. Not so much...

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So, what exactly is wrong with the Kingsbury/Daniels pairing??

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So, what exactly is wrong with the Kingsbury/Daniels pairing??

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So far,so good but I am not sure it will work in the long run....we will see I guess but my problem with the offense of Kliff,this is too much finesse,not enough toughness.You need both in the NFL

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/18...-0a5L4ABPb7qdA

3-0 .... there is no better case , top seed in the afc after 3 weeks when guys like Pete Prisco said we was the worst team in our division

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

So, what exactly is wrong with the Kingsbury/Daniels pairing??

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It certainly worked last night.

See how it goes from here.