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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
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Dwinsgames
the story of this game is the defense not being able to get off the field on 3rd down .... Flacco 6-7 on 3rd down for 6 first downs
Highsmith being out is a BIG factor.
Colts haven’t run to that side all day and Leak and Herbig don’t seem to be impacting on pass downs.
Also they put Bishop’s brain in a blender a couple times.
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
Typed too soon I guess. Although the DL just collapsed everything. Great play all around!
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
Fields 21/31/301 and a TD
Fields also has ran for 9/55/2tds
thats Franchise QB numbers there
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
Want to make noise in the playoffs? Play Wilson.
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Tomlin need to stick with Fields no matter what.....The steelers need a running back too since Najee is awful
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
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Tomlin need to stick with Fields no matter what.....The steelers need a running back too since Najee is awful
Agreed, the fat Cordell Patterson looked like Barry Sanders before he got hurt.
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I will be so angry if they make a change at the QB position for no good reason.....Fields was the only positive in this game and we saw what he could do without Najee was less involved.....Running with Harris at this point is a wasted down
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
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EzraTank
Agreed, the fat Cordell Patterson looked like Barry Sanders before he got hurt.
Not trying to argue.
But Smith just insists on square peg round hole with Harris.
Stop zone running. That’s not Harris game. We’ve seen 2 seasons in a row where they abandoned that around Week 8 and Harris thrived on straight ahead stuff.
I’m cool with replacing him. But it would be also cool if Smith adjusted to what his team does well rather than insisting on his way.
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
As much as Fields should be praised for his 2nd half performance (and it was quite good) his 1st half performance was bad. The Steelers know full well that Fields Great qualities are equal to his inadequacies.
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It may not matter who plays QB between the o'line injuries, the lack of production by receivers not named Pickens and the mash unit that is our running back position, it puts too much pressure on a defense to play that many minutes. I'm not making excuses for the D, but the other team has playmakers as well. You are not going to fool a guy like Flacco at this point. He is still capable of finding your vulnerabilities and exploiting them. That is particularly true if he has a running game going.
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
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trying to argue.
But Smith just insists on square peg round hole with Harris.
Stop zone running. That’s not Harris game. We’ve seen [emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]]]] seasons in a row where they abandoned that around Week [emoji[emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]]]][emoji[emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]]]][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]]]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]]]][emoji[emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]]]][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]]]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]]]][emoji[emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]]]][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]]]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]][emoji[emoji638][emoji639][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]]]]]]] and Harris thrived on straight ahead stuff.
I’m cool with replacing him. But it would be also cool if Smith adjusted to what his team does well rather than insisting on his way.
Seems like everyone square holes Najee tho. At some point, is it his fault?
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
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86WARD
Seems like everyone square holes Najee tho. At some point, is it his fault?
He is a limited player, which is why I am glad they did not pick up his 5th year option. You can't doubt his effort. he runs hard and in the right situation with hole he can still be a weapon. But his speed and particularly his vision is lacking.
Really need warren to get healthy.
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
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that1guy
As much as Fields should be praised for his 2nd half performance (and it was quite good) his 1st half performance was bad. The Steelers know full well that Fields Great qualities are equal to his inadequacies.
He was not the problem in the first half....He was 10-13 for 120 yards.....Najee and the fumble of Pickens was a killer
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Mojouw
Not trying to argue.
But Smith just insists on square peg round hole with Harris.
Stop zone running. That’s not Harris game. We’ve seen 2 seasons in a row where they abandoned that around Week 8 and Harris thrived on straight ahead stuff.
I’m cool with replacing him. But it would be also cool if Smith adjusted to what his team does well rather than insisting on his way.
they drafted 3 bully ball O-Lineman this year and one last year along with what they claimed was the best blocking TE in the draft last year said to be damned near a additional lineman .... thats not the sort of personnel one would covet to play a zone blocking scheme yet here we are ......
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As much as Fields should be praised for his 2nd half performance (and it was quite good) his 1st half performance was bad. The Steelers know full well that Fields Great qualities are equal to his inadequacies.
someone wasnt watching the game or the stat line and seen the score at the half and assumed....
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
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Dwinsgames
they drafted 3 bully ball O-Lineman this year and one last year along with what they claimed was the best blocking TE in the draft last year said to be damned near a additional lineman .... thats not the sort of personnel one would covet to play a zone blocking scheme yet here we are ......
I think it is because Smith isn't one of those coaches that runs around and shifts his stuff around based on who he has on the roster. He just runs his stuff.
I also don't think that Smith or maybe the coaching staff is all that committed to Harris either. Why else would they do all this "we aren't picking up your option BUT we want to sign you to an extension BUT not until we see how it goes nonsense"?
I am a big fan of Harris and think that he can have an excellent season....the blocking just needs to get together.
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They need a feature back. They don’t have one on the roster right now.
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
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86WARD
They need a feature back. They don’t have one on the roster right now.
Again...not going to disagree but I am not sure that [Insert Your Favorite RB Here] looks all that good behind the way Oline has played outside of one quarter against the Chargers.
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Mojouw
Again...not going to disagree but I am not sure that [Insert Your Favorite RB Here] looks all that good behind the way Oline has played outside of one quarter against the Chargers.
Patterson had no problem behind this line....
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Re: Justin Fields case for QB1
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going to disagree but I am not sure that [Insert Your Favorite RB Here] looks all that good behind the way Oline has played outside of one quarter against the Chargers.
No…you’re right. Won’t disagree there.
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Mojouw
I think it is because Smith isn't one of those coaches that runs around and shifts his stuff around based on who he has on the roster. He just runs his stuff.
I also don't think that Smith or maybe the coaching staff is all that committed to Harris either. Why else would they do all this "we aren't picking up your option BUT we want to sign you to an extension BUT not until we see how it goes nonsense"?
I am a big fan of Harris and think that he can have an excellent season....the blocking just needs to get together.
If what you are saying about Smith being unwilling to tailor his system to his personnel then there is a major disconnect in the scouting department and the coaching staff because you need ot draft players to fit your system or adjust your system to the players you have rostered .... one of the latter has to happen to have consistent success ....
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Patterson had no problem behind this line....
true ..6 carries 43 yards , that's 7 yards a clip ..I'd take that any day
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If what you are saying about Smith being unwilling to tailor his system to his personnel then there is a major disconnect in the scouting department and the coaching staff because you need ot draft players to fit your system or adjust your system to the players you have rostered .... one of the latter has to happen to have consistent success ....
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true ..6 carries 43 yards , that's 7 yards a clip ..I'd take that any day
I have been concerned there is a disconnect between Smith and everyone else since the day he was hired.
His unwillingness to get the ball to his playmakers in Atlanta and stick with his system/approach ultimately got him fired.
To me, Smith seems to be a stubborn and somewhat inflexible coach. But he is so much better than Canada and some of the other options out there; I can not complain too much.
But I do not think he has done enough to adapt to what he has right now. However, it is only Week 4 and there is a ton of season left to go. I will try and be patient and let this develop.
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I have been concerned there is a disconnect between Smith and everyone else since the day he was hired.
His unwillingness to get the ball to his playmakers in Atlanta and stick with his system/approach ultimately got him fired.
To me, Smith seems to be a stubborn and somewhat inflexible coach. But he is so much better than Canada and some of the other options out there; I can not complain too much.
But I do not think he has done enough to adapt to what he has right now. However, it is only Week 4 and there is a ton of season left to go. I will try and be patient and let this develop.
Sorry to sound like the 'so-and-so didn't get enough of a chance' posters on here, but we have had a different OL each week. Tough to be more flexible, or to open up the playbook when you're continually teaching and re-teaching the basics of each play concept. Smith likes to run multiple plays from the same personnel group and offensive alignment. He also likes to run plays that set up a future play by that design. When this works it looks like genius. When it does not work it looks like today. Hard to gain consistency either way though when the pieces keep getting shuffled.
That is my opinion/viewpoint on our offensive struggles. IF Smith is a going to run 'his plays' even when they aren't working type OC, then he is no better than Canada. He may have more success short term, but he is just as limited in the long term. I'm willing to ride this season out and watch if and how the offense grows and evolves. Or doesn't.
I was not planning for a parade at the end of this anyway.
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Again...not going to disagree but I am not sure that [Insert Your Favorite RB Here] looks all that good behind the way Oline has played outside of one quarter against the Chargers.
The journeyman Patterson looked pretty great running behind the same line as Najee 1.5 YPC Harris today.
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the story of this game is the defense not being able to get off the field on 3rd down .... Flacco 6-7 on 3rd down for 6 first downs
This happened too often last year. I was hoping with the new personnel this year that this would change, but apparently not.
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Here's an interesting fact: Russell Wilson has never received a single MVP vote in his entire career. Justin Fields finished 9th in MVP voting year before last.
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Well that must be FakeNews!
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Sorry to sound like the 'so-and-so didn't get enough of a chance' posters on here, but we have had a different OL each week. Tough to be more flexible, or to open up the playbook when you're continually teaching and re-teaching the basics of each play concept. Smith likes to run multiple plays from the same personnel group and offensive alignment. He also likes to run plays that set up a future play by that design. When this works it looks like genius. When it does not work it looks like today. Hard to gain consistency either way though when the pieces keep getting shuffled.
That is my opinion/viewpoint on our offensive struggles. IF Smith is a going to run 'his plays' even when they aren't working type OC, then he is no better than Canada. He may have more success short term, but he is just as limited in the long term. I'm willing to ride this season out and watch if and how the offense grows and evolves. Or doesn't.
I was not planning for a parade at the end of this anyway.
Those are great points. And you are likely correct that the OL needs to stabilize around a 5 man unit (whatever that ends up having to be) before things can really change. It is just frustrating to watch.
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Those are great points. And you are likely correct that the OL needs to stabilize around a 5 man unit (whatever that ends up having to be) before things can really change. It is just frustrating to watch.
Just think about how McDaniels and the Dolphins are going to struggle. They need Tua specifically to run that offense. It's very much predicated on timing and creating that space for their speed. And they just paid Tua to be the man for a long time. It's amazing how fast a season can detail with just an injury or 2.
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Just think about how McDaniels and the Dolphins are going to struggle. They need Tua specifically to run that offense. It's very much predicated on timing and creating that space for their speed. And they just paid Tua to be the man for a long time. It's amazing how fast a season can detail with just an injury or 2.
You are right. The story of the NFL this season has really been injuries. Several high profile teams are underperforming because of them and other teams are just not who they thought they would be because key guys are hurt.
