Blasphemy.....everybody knows the short, undrafted guy with the quirky back story and cute nickname is the savior. :sarcasm2:Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
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Blasphemy.....everybody knows the short, undrafted guy with the quirky back story and cute nickname is the savior. :sarcasm2:Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
If I was a mad scientist, I would merge them together into one QB, using the best abilities of each. And when I was done, I would take that one new QB with the best of both.... and send them to the practice squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoSlash27
Agreed, I still believe Mason will turn it around.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoSlash27
I think they really did have a first round grade on him and that is alarming. Those big 12 defenses are bad. Many QB's look good playing against them until they get to the NFL and teams figure them out. Landry Jones and Baker Mayfield come to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
Rudolph wasn't a bad gamble for round 3, but he just doesn't have what it takes to be starting material. I see no part of his game that is above average to build around.
His release looks a little slow, he's too easy to sack, he isn't accurate to hit player on the move. The arm is average. He's a check down type of QB. I have more hope for Duck, who's a rookie, and IMO has plus accuracy and mobility to his game.
Trade back into the 1st round and draft a QB. Ben is 38 and is coming back off an elbow injury and the Steelers have NOTHING to replace him with
What quarterback? This is not a strong class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversatisfied
You don’t think so? I’d disagree. There’s several potential franchise QBs in this class. Not that the Steelers have the draft capital to get one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoSlash27
Do you not watch College football?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoSlash27
This is what happens when you neglect the QB position and let the franchise QB decide how the Offense is run and install his completely unqualified friend at OC.
You get an offensive shitshow that is the 2019 Steelers. Ben, Rudolph, Duck, it didn't make a lick of difference. No Antonio Brown to cover up the glaring flaws, and we have seen them front and center.
It's not the quarterback. The Offense is simply garbage on a much deeper level. The Offensive Line blows, the WR's are mediocre, and our backs are not good overall.
We have no Quarterback Coach to help the young guys.
Our top RB is made of glass and not a true workhorse.
Our top WR is not a #1 guy. Period.
Reality struck big time for the Steelers this season.
Rudolph's arm strength actually looks legit when he does step into his throws. Unfortunately dude got injured, but played pretty well for that limited time
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Originally Posted by Edman
Right...it's Ben's fault. :jerkit:
Just stop it already. You're delusional.
Agree. If he could have stayed in the game I think the Steelers had a chance to pull out the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
I am betting on another separated shoulder (AC joint), so likely Duck going next week with the start. Oh well, almost time to start looking at talent for the upcoming draft.
Its not Bens fault.The Steelers need to put a ton of effort in the offense on the Offense ( Every draft pick and free agency). The Steelers have an uphill battle to climb with this putrid offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by pczach
This post would be so much better if the topic was OC-- What Are We Doing ???
All these INTs are Fichtner’s fault?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
You never find the replica of your franchise QB.
We might have to really consider .
I think we really need to consider finding revamping ournoffense for a dual threat QB.
As if this moment, I'm strongly consider Cam Newton.
Throw Lynch in there next week and still will be the same shit show. Just maybe it's not the qb's fault. Again OL should hold a lot of the blame as well. Also wr's drop key passes!Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Because all-pro Lynch would prove it's all Fichtner? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
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I'd be happy with any of the legit bridge-type QBs out there. Newton may even be in that category at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Steeler
My point is and can agree we have young QB's and that is hurting us. It goes way further then that and this offense has so many other issues. I don't think the QB is the main one! Crap centers as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Cam ain’t coming unless Ben is done with football
Newton isn't just a bridge-type QB, he is a legit franchise QB. Allowing him to leave would be really stupid by Carolina, but then again, firing Rivera was dumb too...
His situation is somewhat similar to when Drew Brees was replaced in SD with Philip Rivers due to his shoulder injurey. The Dolphins chose not to sign him because they didn't know how the injury would affect his play. While Newton isn't as great as Brees, Newton definitely can still be a franchise QB.
As for backups:
Landry Jones was and is horrible. With him we'd be 4-11 or something like that, at best.
The best backups usually are former starters, guys like Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles, Tyrod Taylor and Matt Schaub (even though on him there is very little playing time for several years, so hard to judge how he would do if he needed to start).
Maybe we could sign Mariota, Dalton or Eli Manning, all of these would be top-notch backups.
Rivers and Fitzpatrick probably won't be backups, in the case of Fitzpatrick even if he's signed as backup he always ends up playing. Fitzpatrick's only two seasons where he wasn't backup at any point in the season were 2011 and 2012 with the Bills, yet in every single season since 2008 he has startet at least 3 games.
So, in conclusion: While I would love to see us signing Cam Newton, I don't think that will happen since Ben already said he's returning. So getting Mariota or Dalton is the best we can hope for. But probably even that won't happen because the Front office doesn't seem to value the backup QB position. We never really had any good backup QBs in the Tomlin era. Just rookies or players who played very little, or old QBs not capable of much anymore, like Vick, Batch, Leftwich...
Actually a lot of people don’t and a lot of college fans don’t watch NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversatisfied
And the QB class really isn’t that good...to waste draft picks trying to get back up to get one of these 3-4 guys.
I'm not seeing it. Tua's hurt, and I'm not seeing anyone below him who strikes me as "franchise". Starters, sure... but not franchise.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
And you know me, I never miss a Hawks game. Nate Stanley is IMO the best QB in the Big 10, and he's just "alright".
I think there are 5-6 solid QB's that could be starters, we all know its a crapshoot. Without having an early pick or first rounder its going to be a roll of the dice with someone like Kelly Bryant, Jalen Hurts or Sam Ehlinger. All three far from guaranteed but can run and good arms. All three struggle in certain areas but like I said its a gamble. I like Jake Fromm but its a pipe dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoSlash27
Exactly; starters or backups, but not franchise. If we're looking for a replacement for Ben, this isn't the year to get one. If we're just looking for a starter, we've already got one in Rudolph. Either way, it's just not worth the draft capital to go after one this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
Replace Rudolph's arm.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoSlash27
Make a move for Derek Carr. Raiders like to make lopsided trades in the Steelers favor.
I guess you didn't watch the game today. I've ragged on Rudolph since the preseason because I just didn't see an NFL arm. Today's game should he has one. The question now is how consistent is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeldude
I agree. Rudolph has the arm, and it's never been in question. His problems have been timing, progression, and confidence. In fact, the progression and confidence weren't a problem for him until this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craic
Absolutely tank next year and draft Trevor Lawrence. Problem solved. I'm a genius.
I’m warming up to the idea of Jalen Hurts in R2-3.
Run some serious wildcat then!Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
I think you’re short-changing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
No idea really. But the highlights I see make him look more like a RB.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
He averages 280 passing and 97 rushing per game, 12 yards per pass attempt. He put up pretty good numbers in the SEC too (not quite as gaudy). I really like the trend of dual threat QBs. While their life expectancy may be shorter, I think they may be easier to find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
I like the idea of bringing in Teddy Bridgewater. He's shown he can win football games. A definite upgrade over what we have. Maybe even an upgrade over Big Ben at this point? At worst we have a solid stop gap that make us respectable for the next few seasons of the rebuilding process.
He's also been learning from the GOAT himself, Drew Brees.
I love the kid, rooted for him all season. Unlike Kelly Bryant who left Clemson on bad note with bad attitude Jalen has been all class. He's far from guaranteed but could be a decent gamble. Which if we draft a QB in 2020 it will be huge gamble no matter who they draft unless trade up. I didn't see Bryant play this year but Deshaun Watson said he'd be better than he was. Drafting is a tough job for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
I think Ben would have to be OUT for Teddy to consider the Steelers. He wants to play and has earned the right to.Quote:
Originally Posted by RunNGun
The Ben injury has a lot of Andrew Luck feeling to it. Imagine ( if you will ) a 38 year old- often injured QB second guessing his quality of life after the NFL. The Steelers should proceed with caution, Ben has given everything to this organization and he might just want to quit while he is ahead.
For us old timers, Ben's injury is a flashback to Bradshaw in 83. He was almost out all of 1983 and came back for one game vs the Jets. Barely played the 1st quarter and threw some TD's to WRs he never met and then reinjured the elbow and never played another down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversatisfied
I hope Ben has a year or 2 left but realistically, I am bracing for the day it's over for Ben