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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Are you really worried that a new RB coach other than James Saxon will hamper the Steelers performance going forward?
    Yes. Conner and Samuel's are at a critical point a scrwed up coach could lead them to regress and that would be very bad

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

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    Wow! You usually make more intelligent and informed posts, as opposed to this snarky one.

    Thank you Sheriff Hawkman, it's comforting to know you are watching over every thread here at SU.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    What is also clear is the Steelers run game was a middle of the pack statistically under Saxon. Then dropped to 20th overall in 2017 and 31st overall in 2018. While these drops may or may not have anything to do with slow footed line backers, it may have something to do with Saxon not being back next season.
    Yeah I'm not sure the RB coach controls Attempts, Steelers had 4.2 ypc on 345 att to Baltimore 4.5 on 547. 31st is deceiving stat

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by NCSteeler View Post
    Yes. Conner and Samuel's are at a critical point a scrwed up coach could lead them to regress and that would be very bad

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    What would this screwed up coach teach them that leads them to regress? How to not run properly? How to not hang onto a football properly? How to not read the O lineman's back in front of them when blocking? Those are all skills that RB's would have learned in Highschool or College, if they didn't play Pop Warner football.

    Al Bundy from Polk High could coach for the Steelers and the RB's are still gonna be who they are as RB's.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by NCSteeler View Post
    Yeah I'm not sure the RB coach controls Attempts, Steelers had 4.2 ypc on 345 att to Baltimore 4.5 on 547. 31st is deceiving stat

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    I agree to your point. Stats often are misleading to the big picture. The big picture would include all of the rushing stats. And that is why I believe Coach Saxon wasn’t retained.

    But going back to what started this branch of the conversation is I will wait until all the moves are made before judging the validity of them individually. This firing may end up a bad move. It may become a great move. Just not ready to celebrate or condemn it yet.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    . Saxons choice not ours?

    Anyone heard a rumour about munchack recruiting SaXon being the reason behind the none contract renewal

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    What would this screwed up coach teach them that leads them to regress? How to not run properly? How to not hang onto a football properly? How to not read the O lineman's back in front of them when blocking? Those are all skills that RB's would have learned in Highschool or College, if they didn't play Pop Warner football.

    Al Bundy from Polk High could coach for the Steelers and the RB's are still gonna be who they are as RB's.
    Supposed SaXon is really good at teaching especially pass blocking a d blitz pick ups. I'd hate to go backwards. And if it is as you say why even bother to have a RB coach I mean these guys already know how to run and hold a football, right?

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Further confirmation that the Super Bowl window will remain closed as long as Tomlin remains head coach. Obviously he was too good and keeping him made too much sense

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by NCSteeler View Post
    Supposed SaXon is really good at teaching especially pass blocking a d blitz pick ups. I'd hate to go backwards. And if it is as you say why even bother to have a RB coach I mean these guys already know how to run and hold a football, right?

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    So you are assuming that moving on from Saxon to somebody else is going backwards, without knowing who they are replacing him with? Looks like classic fear of failure belief.

    Just about anybody that has played RB or been around anybody that has coached RB's can handle the job. Just look at Saxon, Eric Bienemy, Duce Staley, Kirby Wilson to name a few, that were former RB's themselves. I'm guessing they will replace him with somebody experienced. Maybe Stump Mitchell from the Jets is available.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Al Bundy from Polk High could coach for the Steelers and the RB's are still gonna be who they are as RB's.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Wow...the inmates are in charge of the asylum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Well, I can tell you I'm not worried. There are more pressing issues in Tomlins closet which will most certainly hamper the Steelers performance going forward. Dumping a running back coach that was doing a good job unless of course, Saxon was an ax murderer in the offseason seems, well kind of skunky.
    Are you off your meds?

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    What is also clear is the Steelers run game was a middle of the pack statistically under Saxon. Then dropped to 20th overall in 2017 and 31st overall in 2018. While these drops may or may not have anything to do with slow footed line backers, it may have something to do with Saxon not being back next season.
    That also may have had something to with the Steelers being dead last in rushing attempts because the puppet that was installed as OC to appease Ben kept throwing the ball and outright refused to run the ball at times

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    That also may have had something to with the Steelers being dead last in rushing attempts because the puppet that was installed as OC to appease Ben kept throwing the ball and outright refused to run the ball at times


    So in other words you're saying Ben pulled an Aaron Rodgers?

    Rodgers reportedly blew off offensive plays called from his head coach Mike McCarthy....and called his own plays.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    I agree that slow footed linebackers may have nothing to do with the run game and Saxon not being back next season. I also think that its equally as likely that Saxon was caught making advances at Mr Rooney's dog, or was privately advising LeVeon Bell on rap lyrics and contract negotiations.

    Reality is that none of us really know why his contract wasn't renewed and I still don't understand why fans get so involved with a position coach that has to coach 4 players. I'm sorry for the man's unemployment, but trust he will find something soon and the Steelers will hire somebody to replace him, so that he can coach Conner, Samuels, a draft pick and a veteran Free Agent.
    The torches and pitchforks demand firings... and this was not the low hanging fruit they require. Any name other than Butler, Smith or even Tomlin is irrelevant.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Well, Dale Lolley said his understanding of the situation is Saxon didn't want to come back. Interesting.

    Lolley said he will probably end up with Arians in TB.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Well, Dale Lolley said his understanding of the situation is Saxon didn't want to come back. Interesting.

    Lolley said he will probably end up with Arians in TB.
    So just like with the Matthew Thomas non-signing and this, EVERYONE reacted before they knew any actual facts. Weird. ALmost like Twitter and the need to instantly reach a final evaluation on everything is basically nonsense and a useless way to try and understand anything.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    So just like with the Matthew Thomas non-signing and this, EVERYONE reacted before they knew any actual facts. Weird. ALmost like Twitter and the need to instantly reach a final evaluation on everything is basically nonsense and a useless way to try and understand anything.

    Tomlin said “I have made the decision to not renew the contract for running backs coach James Saxon,” Tomlin said in a release. “We would like to thank James for his efforts over the past five years, and we wish him the best in his future coaching endeavors.”

    So if Saxon decided he didn't want to coach here longer why is Tomlin acting like he made the decision not to renew his contract? Something is strange Steelerville.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Tomlin said “I have made the decision to not renew the contract for running backs coach James Saxon,” Tomlin said in a release. “We would like to thank James for his efforts over the past five years, and we wish him the best in his future coaching endeavors.”

    So if Saxon decided he didn't want to coach here longer why is Tomlin acting like he made the decision not to renew his contract? Something is strange Steelerville.
    James, what are your plans?

    Well, Mike if Arians gets a job, I think I might prefer to go work on on that staff. But, if he doesn’t I would like to continue working here.

    Ok. If that is the case, we are going to go a different way moving forward. Best of luck and if I can do anything for you let me know.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    James, what are your plans?

    Well, Mike if Arians gets a job, I think I might prefer to go work on on that staff. But, if he doesn’t I would like to continue working here.

    Ok. If that is the case, we are going to go a different way moving forward. Best of luck and if I can do anything for you let me know.
    And the other thought is desperation from Tomlin, fire porter with word slipping out from someone that he (porter) was causing division, then the Steeler LB's Shazier included saying there isn't any truth behind it. So that's it, Porter and Saxon. That's only problem areas Mike Tomlin sees? That's it?

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    And the other thought is desperation from Tomlin, fire porter with word slipping out from someone that he (porter) was causing division, then the Steeler LB's Shazier included saying there isn't any truth behind it. So that's it, Porter and Saxon. That's only problem areas Mike Tomlin sees? That's it?
    No idea. And that is the point. You cant read final conclusions into an ongoing process. Reacting with outrage and intensity to every unfounded Tweet and counter-Tweet is a fruitless and largely pointless exercise. It has been what, 10 days since the season ended? I’m gonna let things play out a bit more before I freak the hell out.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    No idea. And that is the point. You cant read final conclusions into an ongoing process. Reacting with outrage and intensity to every unfounded Tweet and counter-Tweet is a fruitless and largely pointless exercise. It has been what, 10 days since the season ended? I’m gonna let things play out a bit more before I freak the hell out.

    Tomlin likes this.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Well, Dale Lolley said his understanding of the situation is Saxon didn't want to come back. Interesting.

    Lolley said he will probably end up with Arians in TB.
    Makes more sense than anything else I've read.
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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    No idea. And that is the point. You cant read final conclusions into an ongoing process. Reacting with outrage and intensity to every unfounded Tweet and counter-Tweet is a fruitless and largely pointless exercise. It has been what, 10 days since the season ended? I’m gonna let things play out a bit more before I freak the hell out.
    So basically nothing is true no matter who it comes from. Twitter, ESPN, FoxNews, TMZ, the source itself, anything...not true...lol.

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    you are a Kenny Pickett enabler

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    No. It's like watching half a movie and punting the DVD player out the window because you just heard the ending sucks.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Not being renewed is not the same as pursuing other opportunities...so your suggesting that the team and Tomlin are lying to the media?

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    you are a Kenny Pickett enabler

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Not being renewed is not the same as pursuing other opportunities...so your suggesting that the team and Tomlin are lying to the media?
    Contracts don't get renewed for all kinds of reasons. One version that everyone ran with was that Tomlin fired Saxon. Now there is another version that Saxon didn't want to come back. Who knows what actually happened. I'm gonna wait and see what other hires and fires are done before I reach any conclusions.

    In the meantime, I'm gonna be pretty skeptical of people who claim to know things actually know them when they are proven to be wrong 7 out of 10 times.

    NFL teams and coaches are in the business of lying to the media.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    If it was Saxon choice ...... whats that tell you about the state of the organization
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    If it was Saxon choice ...... whats that tell you about the state of the organization
    No idea yet. If he goes and sits on a beach somewhere it could signal one thing. If he coaches RBs for another pro team it could be a wholly other thing. If the Steelers change their approach to the RB position and/or hire some of the rumored new assistant positions on the offensive side of the ball it could signal a whole other thing.

    Point is, we've seen at best 35% of the movie. I'm gonna watch it through to the end before I make up my mind. The next 3 to 6 weeks should be highly informative.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    No idea yet. If he goes and sits on a beach somewhere it could signal one thing. If he coaches RBs for another pro team it could be a wholly other thing. If the Steelers change their approach to the RB position and/or hire some of the rumored new assistant positions on the offensive side of the ball it could signal a whole other thing.

    Point is, we've seen at best 35% of the movie. I'm gonna watch it through to the end before I make up my mind. The next 3 to 6 weeks should be highly informative.
    I'm not a big movie buff but if I watch a movie and still don't know if I like it halfway through, that movie sucks! I'm not wasting any more time watching it.

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    Re: RB Coach James Saxon Fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    I'm not a big movie buff but if I watch a movie and still don't know if I like it halfway through, that movie sucks! I'm not wasting any more time watching it.
    That's a good view on Bird Box.

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