Well, I mean if you are in to over-rated frauds -- heck yeah!
Ryan had 5 seasons out of 12 where his defenses ranked in the top half of the league in both yards and points.
Butler is 3 out of 4 on those marks.
yeah...yeah...I know there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. But both the Ryan brothers are over-rated because of their bluster and personalities and "swagger". But results...yeah....maybe not...