Trade for Fields, re-sign Mason, draft a QB rookie, bring in a QB FA or 2. Have an actual QB competition and the best 2 get contracts for the 2024 season.
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Trade for Fields, re-sign Mason, draft a QB rookie, bring in a QB FA or 2. Have an actual QB competition and the best 2 get contracts for the 2024 season.
I understand that, but I don't think the Steelers are going to make that decision on Pickett until, at the earliest, camp is nearly over. Any trades, or top free agents will be done by then.Originally Posted by polamalubeast
I think we see a guy like Tannehill come in. Someone who is likely looking at his final contract and knows he'll be battling for the starting job.
And, for the record, I don't think that list includes Cousins or RW3.
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What do they do with Kenny? He's under contract for two more years.
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Kenny is in the competition.
Fields makes a lot of sense. The team could pick up his 5th year option, and by then will know what they have with Kenny.
I'd just be surprised if they make that trade AND re-sign Rudolph. His AAV will likely by 8-10m, and combined with Fields and Pickett, you're looking at close to 20m combined.
If Fields comes in, Rudolph walks.
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I agree but Fields would be the number 1 and he would no competition
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The cost for bringing in Fields would pretty much guarantee he would be 1of2. That much is true. Now you have KP, Rookie, FA1, FA2 compete for QB 2.
Who knows. Once the new OC is in place, we'll have a better idea what the QB plan might be.
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So Goff, Mayfield and Love are all 1st round QB selections that didnt exactly come in right away and have great success.
I am curious if these guys are given credit for getting their teams to this position and if so, why are some Steeler fans ready to give up on their first round QB after 1.5 years under Matt Canada offense?
Fair point, and for that reason KP will have an opportunity to be QB1.
That said, the coaching staff haven't given the fan base much confidence that he's "the guy."
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It was the first year as full time starter for Love...For Goff and Mayfield,they had their moment in the past.Not the case for Pickett who has only 13 TD pass in 24 games!....I know that Canada was awful but the TD pass stats is Rick Mirer,Zack Wilson or Ryan Leaf bad!
Dionte Johnson didnt score a TD for 22 straight games. Did that mean he was a bad receiver who couldnt run routes or catch footballs? Anybody give up on him?
If people can put aside the statistics and comparisons to guys like Ryan Leaf, Rick Mirer, etc, and actually watch the QB play, then its a different story. The Steelers wont give up on Pickett this early, just like nobody gave up on the guys mentioned.
Jordan Love was a long term project with a strong arm and terrible accuracy who got to sit behind Rodgers and develop. KP was thrown into starting in a situation with a lousy O system and coordinator. We will see what happens next year with hopefully a better OC and system.
Love has far more physical talent than KP does.
Goff likely has a better arm.
Baker and KP and Purdy are all likely on a similar physical tier. And the rain almost melted Purdy last night. All 3 are on a tier that many project as not having a high enough ceiling to make the wait for development worth it.
I hope you are right on Pickett,so we will hope for the best!
But I'm just not confident...To be fair, I thought the same thing about Goff after his super bowl in 2018 until 2022...I thought Baker was going to be benched at some point during the 2023 season by the Bucs and I was way wrong in both!
If Pickett is the starter, it will be crucial for his future and I will hope for the best!
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Things I don't know about Kenny:
His physical toughness. So far he's very injury prone.
His mental capacity to process at an elite level.
His arm talent, whether it's enough after they take the training wheels off.
Love- strong arm, but could not consistently hit water from a boat when drafted. Poor at reading coverages, but showed progression and learning to read coverages. So upside.
Goff- All the physical tools, but underperformed to the point the Rams wanted Stafford
KP has a stronger arm than Purdy. Purdy is in a perfect offense that fits his skillset and experience from Iowa State passing offense.
Baker and KP were both in offenses where they make quick reads and throws on early reads on time. I would say that the OK offense was better than Pitt from watching. I sitll think Pickett has better physical tools than Purdy, but needs to get to play in a real NFL offense, not what he was in the past 1.5 years.
I think KP has better tools than Purdy as well. And KP was trapped in a shitty offense while Purdy is in an ideal situation.
Regardless, I’m not waiting around for any of these guys to develop if I’m running an NFL team.
The wait is not worth the reward.
Physical toughness- IMO, he is a gamer and competitor that still has to learn that he should either A. Get bigger to take the NFL pounding or B. Throw the ball away, slide, etc to live and play the next play, or BOTH.
Mental Capacity- tough to say, but I think he just did and said all the right things, competed as hard as he could, rather than throw his OC under the bus as a young QB. The first game with Faulkner at OC, he came out throwing to the right places on time to guys like Friermuth and Pickens. I believe he can do that on a regular basis if having a good OC.
Arm talent- again its Hasselbeck for me. 2022 Combine velocity scores on radar gun are as follows:
Malik Willis - 58 MPH
Sam Howell - 56 MPH
Bailey Zappe- 54 MPH
Kenny Pickett - 54 MPH
Desmond Ridder- 52 mph
Brock Purdy 52 mph
Jack Coan- 51 MPH
I gave up on him…
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Nobody was saying Love was talented until about half way through this season.
Love’s resume is more bad than good at this point. He might well be the next Patrick Mahomes going forward, but his previous seasons and earlier this season, they were talking failure…
That’s maybe true nationally. But seeing him in preseason and camp reports, it was always obvious he had a good arm and some athleticism.
It just seemed he might be too scattershot and slow brained for it to matter.
But he had good physical tools.
And that’s my only point. I don’t think KP has NFL level physical tools. So, I’m not really interested in his development. I just think the ceiling is so low.
But I’m wrong at least 12 times every day before I have breakfast. So what do I know?
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None of that sounds like a ringing endorsement. Just a lot of possiblys.
And all the impressive QB's play within a great offensive system.
Goff- Ben Johnson(#1 HC candidate)
Purdy- Kyle Shanahan
Stroud-Bobby Slowik(Shanahan system)
Love- Matt LaFleur
And here we are with Matt Canada and his playbook.
Players have to execute(Pickett has to be better) but this is a team game and coaching matters
They’re going to bring someone in besides resigning MR (if they can). It’s going to be serious competition like MT said. They’ve got high priced talent they have to satisfy (Watt, Hayward, Minkah, then Najee, Pickens). KP has got to show out of the gates he can move the ball and score, at least like MR did, maybe better. He’s definitely got to get stronger.
Exactly.
And what is this great love for Fields? What has he ever done? He would be Trubisky II.
See it as you want to. You question 3 categories and the doubters will always see what they want to see, while the fanboys will always see what they want to see. I like to think that I am objectively positive (BTW, I have a psychological assessment which indicates that of me)
- Arm Strength- its there as indicated in the radar gun numbers
-Physical Toughness- Pickett put on around 10lbs from getting in the gym in the offseason of his rookie year. Shows commitment. All the injury prone comments from a guy in hear 2 are a bit premature IMO. Lance Zeirline said in an eval that "he needs to learn to take the incompletion instead of taking the sack". I think he puts himself in harms way a bit, but honestly with some of the matador pass protection that he had, its not a shock that he has been injured.
-Mental Capacity- I would say that the Steelers had a good indication of his ability from him being on the other side of the building for 5 years and good input from his coaches. I think Kenny needed coaching on a lot of things in the NFL and especially the offense. I dont think Canada was the right OC to help a young QB with that.
Again, he has the tools and hasnt been in a good situation. Maybe he puts it together next year and becomes a good NFL QB, maybe he has some up and down games like Justin Fields has this past season and maybe he gets yanked like Desmond Ridder.
The likelihood that the Steelers were going from HOF QB, to another was not really going to happen. This is more likely a situation of good QB, while searching for the next great QB. This is hoping that you can have KP ascend to a Neil O'Donnell level.
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Honestly, I like Fields and his skillset, pedigree, development. I think he is progressing, but he hasnt proven anything for certain. The clock ticks on picking up a QB's 5th year option too, so that is why there is some thought that the Bears should trade him away and start the rookie QB clock fresh with another QB like Drake Maye.
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I was extremely optimistic entering 2023. Only cautiously optimistic for 2024. I would not pass on an upgrade at this point.
You compared him to a list of 7 guys, 6 of whom are backups.- Arm Strength- its there as indicated in the radar gun numbers
We all know that whether fair or unfair, good luck or bad luck, there are guys that don't hold up (e.g. Jimmy G.). So far, the arrow is pointing down for Kenny. I'm just stating the facts, not the possibilities.-Physical Toughness- Pickett put on around 10lbs from getting in the gym in the offseason of his rookie year. Shows commitment. All the injury prone comments from a guy in here 2 are a bit premature IMO. Lance Zeirline said in an eval that "he needs to learn to take the incompletion instead of taking the sack". I think he puts himself in harms way a bit, but honestly with some of the matador pass protection that he had, it's not a shock that he has been injured.
College means nothing in this category. Only 10-15 guys in the world have this ability and while Kenny has shown well in 4th quarter comebacks (to his credit). He also bails from the pocket, which concerns me. Most guys fail in the mental processing. It's the hardest job in sports.-Mental Capacity- I would say that the Steelers had a good indication of his ability from him being on the other side of the building for 5 years and good input from his coaches. I think Kenny needed coaching on a lot of things in the NFL and especially the offense. I dont think Canada was the right OC to help a young QB with that.
Let me ask you this: if the Steelers had a top 3 pick, would you take a QB in 2024 draft?Again, he has the tools and hasnt been in a good situation. Maybe he puts it together next year and becomes a good NFL QB, maybe he has some up and down games like Justin Fields has this past season and maybe he gets yanked like Desmond Ridder.
The likelihood that the Steelers were going from HOF QB, to another was not really going to happen. This is more likely a situation of good QB, while searching for the next great QB. This is hoping that you can have KP ascend to a Neil O'Donnell level.
Arm Strength- I was just giving comparable in that draft year. Not to who is a starter or not. A lot more than arm strength to production, but only Malik Willis and Sam Howell had better velocity than Pickett.
If the Steelers had a top 3 pick. At this point the only QB that I really like early is Drake Maye. Jayden Daniels doesnt look like an accomplished passer from the pocket and I would have to look more at his fundamentals and see if I think he is capable of consistency. There is something about Caleb Williams up and down performances at USC that concern me. While skilled passer, there something of what I have seen which makes me concerned if he folds like a lawn chair when things get tough. Either way, I think that the only 2 I would take a shot at are Williams or Maye early.
I'm a Michigan fan and McCarthy can make all the throws and is a really good athlete, but he doesnt make the throws consistently. Neither Does Penix. To me, Michael Pratt from Tulane is a Kirk Cousins type flyer in the 5th round.
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Interesting take on Caleb Williams. So Maye is the guy for you?
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