I hope your not pro choice with that logic. I can see it now "for fuck sakes it just a dead baby" be thankful you can get away with murdering a baby in this country instead of being forced to raise a kid. For some the anthem is serious. Thank the vets of this country for giving you the ability to sit or stand without getting killed. I am not a vet by the way but I do have much respect for them.Originally Posted by BurghBoy412
Yep I don't disagree with you. I personally would never sit through the anthem despite my personal feelings for who's in the WH. That's not the way to protest a "president". And yes, the Pens are going due to respect of the WH not who occupies it, and that's absolutely the right thing for them to do. I personally voice my protests in ways of signing petitions. And even though I think they're likely not ever going to change anything, I at least feel like I did something. But right now I'm pissed at the Steelers due to their ass play today more than anything else.
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No. It is not within their right to kneel during the Anthem on game day. They have an employee handbook, just like I do. If I break a rule, I'm out the door.
In other words, the NFL is at fault (not Trump) for not nipping this in the bud from the beginning and letting it escalate. Apparently in the good ole USofA, if you don't like a rule or law, just ignore it and then half the country believes there isn't one.
http://iotwreport.com/fv-community-n...l-anthem-rule/
The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league rulebook. It states:
“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
Some closing thoughts before I close myself out from this topic on here because I am tired of it and I am tired of talking about it
1. Let's be clear, they didn't protest anything, the front players were standing in the tunnel
2. The national anthem has become too politicized and the coverage has been too overblown. The fact that the Steelers felt the best way to avoid making a political statement was to stay in the tunnel is a poor reflection of what the conversation has devolved to. Both sides are to blame
3. I respect the Steelers decision to stay in the tunnel and stay out of politics
4. I am starting to think that it would be better if everyone just stayed in the locker room like they used to just so this whole thing would just go away or stay in the tunnel then come out onto the field soon after, keep any protests out of sight and it won't stop people from standing and honoring the flag.
5. Colin Kaepernick really started a whole crapstorm, all in an effort to draw an attention to himself at a time when he was in danger of being benched and becoming irrelevant.
If you're jealous and salty that you can't make political statements at your job and others can -- get a different job?
Like I don't get the logic of that? I can't look at naked people at my job all day. That means that only blind people should work at strip clubs!
Also, how do actions or inactions of players in the NFL form a threat to anyone else's strongly held beliefs? I have a deep respect for veterans, have always stood for the anthem, and have a love of country. However, anyone else acting differently does not make me call into question my beliefs for one second. It also doesn't make me any less secure in my positions. They could all stand there naked and take a dump on the sideline, wouldn't change how I feel about anything.
Honestly, not trying to attack anyone beliefs or patriotism, but how can anything get discussed if basic logic isn't allowed to apply?
seemingly the whole post is based on a skewed set of standard bud ...
it is against NFL rules to NOT be on the field and could cost the team fines , suspensions and draft picks ...
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
Exactly. The right to free speech means you can't be thrown in jail for it, and the government can't deny you fair treatment over it. That's IT.
Sure, you can say what you want on your employer's time, and they can't have you arrested, but they are by no means obliged to put up with it and continue to employ you.
If I told my boss, "I think we should have a Black Lives Matter banner at the top of our website," and he told me no, stick to selling widgets, and then I did it anyway and justified it by telling him "but we let the Army advertise on our site" ... then guess which one of us would be looking for a new job tomorrow?
And again, regardless of these players' RIGHT to protest, it is without a doubt one of the dumbest and most misguided attempts to protest something ever. You would think that somewhere very early in this process, one of his fellow players would've said "hey, Kap, you know ... if you're protesting racism, the national anthem already means something entirely different, so maybe pick something else so you don't make a fool of yourself."
What would these players say if I went to a baseball game, and pissed all over Jackie Robinson's number in the outfield because I was protesting communism? "You idiot, that's not how you protest communism, Jackie Robinson has nothing to do with communism! But he does have a different meaning already, and you just pissed all over something that's important to a lot of people."
"Bu .. bu ... but no, *I* say it means communism!"
"No, you fuckin' moron, you can't just take something like that and say it means something else. Fuck off."
See you Space Cowboy ...
But my main question still holds - how do the actions or inactions of 5 or 500 NFL players change anything about each of our beliefs?
I mean my core beliefs are strong enough that having no one agree with them or everyone agree with them matters very little to me. My beliefs aren't going to change.
I point this at no one person, at all, but it seems that some involved in this debate on both sides are concerned that not everyone agrees with their beliefs. Are their beliefs so fragile that media attention of the anthem stuff before a pro football game threatens to break them?
personally I just do not feel compelled to contribute to the financial gain of anyone that IMO is an ignorant , disrespectful piece of shit ....
I may or may not watch , half heatedly watched this game and am less excited about week 4 , had already reduced my NFL viewing dramatically over the past 2 years have said if I witness a Steeler sitting I am done with them ... I didnt see them sit , but am on the fence if this is just as bad ..
originally thought ok maybe best to stay in the locker room as a team but after seeing AV stand alone at the end of the tunnel got pissed , seeing others stand inside tunnel pissed me off more ...did some sit ? IDK but Art 2 statement did not sit well with me the Organization making a statement like this just does not sit well either ...
I can guarantee this I will not miss any more of my grandsons soccer games in order to keep my 45+ years of not missing a game streak in tact ....
hell may not watch anyways just don't know at this point but for sure I will not spend another dime on the team , its gear or anything else related
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they won't care about ME not spending , but they will care when 10-20 million of people like me quit
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You are out the door only if you are expendable - that is how the free market works
As far as Trump goes, this s**t was dying down until Trump went on a binge of free association Friday night/Saturday morning and decided to stir up the racist segment (not everyone but if anyone contends it is not a component pay more attention to Trump getting into gear with the Obama birtherism) in his base by calling out who that segment regards to be a bunch of uppity n***ers
Maybe we should worry more about the President being crude and bats**t crazy - refresh my memory the last time a President referred to anyone as a son of a b***h in a public speech
Thank you sooooo much for this!!! I'm much more offended by a &%$(#& grabbing whack job who refers to everyone by nicknames (rocket man, seriously???) than I am by NFL players not participating in the anthem. Is this really more concerning than two 5 year-olds threatening to end everyone in their paths to see who can out-crazy the other with nuclear war? He incites this shit and keeps fueling the fire instead of doing HIS job to unite as opposed to divide. If anyone should be fired it's him.
Titans and Seahawks stayed in the locker room as well.
I totally agree...it also smacks of this saying..."dont bite the hand that feeds you"...we are witnessing first hand the NFL going down the drain...I think im gonna stay with my head above the water while i watch it sink!
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Unfortunately, it felt like the team was in the tunnel for most of the game as well.
"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
Also, I really dont give two flying shits if anyone disagrees with me. IMHO, play football...protest on your own time and use those millions you make to better your "cause" privately
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True - you think anyone associated with the NFL (owner/player/coach) regardless of their politics wanted Trump to stir this up because he needs a distraction from all his screwups (e.g. - Cassidy/Graham in flames on Friday after John ("'I like people who weren't captured") McCain said he would pass on supporting Graham-Cassidy)?
I am desperate to escape Trump news and the SOB wants to be part of every story in every aspect of your life - that is how authoritarians seek to dominate
Nobody feels threatened by seeing some halfwit protest at a football game. More like annoyed by it. And pretty pissed to have one more piece added to the soap-opera reality-TV nonsense that is taking over the league. I am force-fed political bullshit from every direction, pretty much from the moment I wake up until the moment I go to sleep. I don't need any more of it. I resent the people who keep pushing it further and further. Fuckin' stop it already.
No, it's not going to change a single person's beliefs. Which is another thing that's infuriating about it: It's entirely fucking useless. It's not "starting important conversations" except about whether or not the players themselves are dickheads. They have pissed off millions of people over literally nothing, people who want to see you play a football game and shove your political views up your ass.
See you Space Cowboy ...
I cant believe football has been pulled in to this crap. Actors and hollywood idiots have been that way forever and I have no problem turning them off, but I love football. Its a shame famous people think we give a shit what they think. I guess I just won't watch the anthem, problem solved.
Wait, so these players(brats) were sulking and throwing a tantrum over Trump's speech? Just pathetic.
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too bad it wasn't a "smart move " when he called Villanueva out after game. Villanueva jersey number one seller yesterday, what does that tell you people. Ok for Kaep and crew to take a knee, but Tomlin upset with Villanueva for standing. No way to justify that
I'm not sure I read where he called out Villanueva. I read where he said if an individual of the team wants to express his politics they'll support that, but I didn't read that as calling him out. I know Tomlin made it clear he was pissed the NFL was dragged into politics, which I agree with.
to the Players the NFL stood for Not For Long ... now its spelling the same for many of its fans ..... the league will not survive the bullshit it is allowing its high priced players to pull ..... classic cutting nose off to spite face
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
a reporter asked him about it after game, he said he was looking for 100 percent participation from team. Pretty clear he was pissed he didn't get Villanuevas participation.
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Harrison and Tomlin both arguably took shots
Harrison did not think anyone was exempt.
"We thought we were all in attention with the same agreement, obviously, " he said. "But, I guess we weren't."
http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/ind...them_vote.html
Transcript of Tomlin's postgame comments
Question: Re: Villaneueva being on the field for the anthem:
Tomlin: Like I said, I was looking for a hundred percent participation. We’re going to be respectful of our football team. Man, these are divisive times in the United States. and it’s a shame, but it is, but we’re not politicians. We’re coaches and professional athletes. If those of us are individuals choose to participate in politics in some way, I’m going to be supportive of that, butut when we come out of locker rooms, we come out of locker rooms to play football games, and to be quite honest with you I didn’t appreciate our football team being drug into politics this weekend. And I’m sure that’s a global perspective. But, we’re blessed to do this for a living, and so with that blessing comes responsibility. We understand that. We understand that we’re given a platform that’s a unique one. Many of us are called to maybe do things that we wouldn’t normally do because of that platform, where people apply pressure to us to do things because of that platform. The bottom line is we chose not to play ball today in that regard. Maybe we will, but today, we just said no.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/09...ce-transcript/
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Thx - you got there first on the Tomlin comments
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AV is a hero and Tomlin tells grown men how to play a game.
Oh, I guess I didn't read it that way then. I read it to mean they were going to support anyone who decided to go out to stand for the flag or if they didn't. I personally wouldn't have used the anthem as a venue for protest since I don't view the flag or the anthem as representing trump himself, but that's my own viewpoint.Harrison and Tomlin both arguably took shots
Harrison did not think anyone was exempt.
"We thought we were all in attention with the same agreement, obviously, " he said. "But, I guess we weren't."
http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/ind...them_vote.html
Transcript of Tomlin's postgame comments
Question: Re: Villaneueva being on the field for the anthem:
Tomlin: Like I said, I was looking for a hundred percent participation. We’re going to be respectful of our football team. Man, these are divisive times in the United States. and it’s a shame, but it is, but we’re not politicians. We’re coaches and professional athletes. If those of us are individuals choose to participate in politics in some way, I’m going to be supportive of that, butut when we come out of locker rooms, we come out of locker rooms to play football games, and to be quite honest with you I didn’t appreciate our football team being drug into politics this weekend. And I’m sure that’s a global perspective. But, we’re blessed to do this for a living, and so with that blessing comes responsibility. We understand that. We understand that we’re given a platform that’s a unique one. Many of us are called to maybe do things that we wouldn’t normally do because of that platform, where people apply pressure to us to do things because of that platform. The bottom line is we chose not to play ball today in that regard. Maybe we will, but today, we just said no.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/09...ce-transcript/
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Thx - you got there first on the Tomlin comments
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Other than trying to hold his team together, which is part of the job
Why would a coach not want 100% participation, assuming the players did not understand AV had an opt-out option when they voted on a course of action?
Harrison certainly thought AV undercut his teammates
It is a tough call for players, coaches and owners who are having to deal with this because Trump decided to stir up shit to generate an applause line at a rally
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I agree, I think the majority of players and coaches are tired of talking about this crap and don't want the distraction. I use football and other entertainment to distract me from work and the other stressors of life and am pissed that I just cant watch a game without political and racial issues being discussed. Just like Kaepernicks right to kneel , AV has right not too. Then they will be held accountable by their actions. It doesn't bother me that Kaep is not on a team when people think he should be, that to me is him being held accountable for his actions. I am entitled to free speech but that doesn't mean it won't have consequences if i say something divisive. I do think minorities have some reasons to protest as well as protesting Trumps juvenille remarks. I just don't like the format they chose. I also don't like Trumps choice of words to get his applause either.
And there's my next question. When reading the NFL rules, it says they "should" stand for the anthem, not "must" stand, but says "must" be on the sidelines. Does this mean the Steelers and the other teams that didn't go on the sidelines be punished/fined for not being there? I wish someone would punish trump for all his asshole antics as well.
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