New formula will redefine QBs

[Nadroj 20]

Like body mass index, IQ and the gross national product, the NFL's passer rating roughly measures something important but yields deeply flawed results. It's always been a jury-rigged stat just waiting for the sabermetric revolution to kick out its struts and build something better in its place.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, the wrecking crew has arrived, and the extreme makeover has commenced. Welcome to Total Quarterback Rating (QBR), a new way of looking at QBs based on ESPN's analysis of nearly 60,000 NFL plays over the past three seasons.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/68...y-see-position


Seems interesting to me.

[oneforthetoe]

Yea., typical ESPN - they have Ben ranked 10th - behind Eli Manning.

[Craic]

Interesting it is. But notice Ben, in 2008 was way below average. . . yet, that was the year that Ben willed the offense to put up points and win multiple games, including the SB. I'd rather have that season's Ben, then last year where he was pretty dang good, still won some games, but didn't have the ability to will the offense to win a game.

[Nadroj 20]

It is all really confusing if you ask me. I'm not sure I completely follow it yet because as you said Preacher, Ben was more of a "big time" player in 2008 when he carried the team at times.

It is a stat they claim will be just as known as Passer Rating in 5 or so years. I was watching ESPN and they (of course) claim its the best thing ever.

[salamander]

Who cares how a QB wins games as long as he wins the most important games.

[stillers4me]

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RT @MattDaleyBGSU: Any system that rates Roethlisberger lower than Eli Manning or Josh Freeman is a failure, IMO. :idn't see that. TRUE!

[The Patriot]

They are factoring how many points they expect a team to score before a game and if the QB met their expectations.

[Chidi29]

I guess it's better than than the current QB rating.

[oneforthetoe]

I guess it's better than than the current QB rating.

Well, according to the fabulous new rating system Vince Young and Chad Pennington have turned in a better season each than any of Ben's.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/68...wo-qbr-seasons

[Chidi29]

Well, according to the fabulous new rating system Vince Young and Chad Pennington have turned in a better season each than any of Ben's.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/68...wo-qbr-seasons

Then again, maybe not...

[Nadroj 20]

Something is screwed up then if Vince Young is looking like a solid QB because of this system. As soon as someone sees that they should know something is extremely flawed

Just another number for scouts to study at the combine I suppose. It'll probably give a lot of false hope if you ask me.

[The Patriot]

Greatest performance by a QB in the last 3 years is apparently Michael Vick against the Redskins.

[Nadroj 20]

Greatest performance by a QB in the last 3 years is apparently Michael Vick against the Redskins.

See I think something is wrong with that. I'm not saying it wasn't a good performance but is that better then any of Bens big games or Manning? Not to mention the guy who chucks the ball around for your club.

It wasn't even a playoff game...


shouldn't they also take into consideration the redskins weren't all that good? They ranked 31st in pass D and 26th in rush D. I think I coulda scored a few times on that!

[The Patriot]

See I think something is wrong with that. I'm not saying it wasn't a good performance but is that better then any of Bens big games or Manning? Not to mention the guy who chucks the ball around for your club.

It wasn't even a playoff game...

It's all subjective. There are more factors to consider than anyone could ever know when judging how a player performed, so anyone can pretty much shape their own reality.

[Count Steeler]

Back to the drawing board ESPN. Stats can only tell you part of the story anyway. Who you gonna pick if you want to win without cheating? In the current NFL, my pick is Ben.

[Psycho Ward 86]

wait, so they're officially changing the QB rating system?

[oneforthetoe]

wait, so they're officially changing the QB rating system?

Nothing official. Just ESPN talking about their favorite subject - ESPN

[Nadroj 20]

Nothing is official but they want it to be. I'm sure this won't be a one time thing hearing about this sadly.

[CantStop85]

Pretty shoddy formula, IMO. The QB rating system needs to be improved upon, but I don't consider ESPN's attempt much of an improvement.

[Chidi29]

Pretty shoddy formula, IMO. The QB rating system needs to be improved upon, but I don't consider ESPN's attempt much of an improvement.

I find this comment and your sig pretty ironic.

[43Hitman]

Pretty shoddy formula, IMO. The QB rating system needs to be improved upon, but I don't consider ESPN's attempt much of an improvement.

I find this comment and your sig pretty ironic.

Yeah I'm in agreement with y'all as well. This QBR thing is horribly flawed.

[SteelerEmpire]

Interesting it is. But notice Ben, in 2008 was way below average. . . yet, that was the year that Ben willed the offense to put up points and win multiple games, including the SB. I'd rather have that season's Ben, then last year where he was pretty dang good, still won some games, but didn't have the ability to will the offense to win a game.

Yep. Didn't have that extra "push" that he usually has... but I think some of that is because Holmes isn't here anymore. I think 'Antonio Brown' will be our next big clutch receiver...

[ALLD]

I should start my own sports network and use some off-the-wall cosmic statistics likes wins vs. losses, playoff/championship wins and TD/INTs passes to analyze a QB's performance. I am sure the freaks and nuts would come crawling out of the woodwork.

[O'Malley]

Greatest performance by a QB in the last 3 years is apparently Michael Vick against the Redskins.

I think if the team your playing is shitty that should also be in the formula..... Who can't put up good numbers against the Redskins?

[steeldevil]

Seems to be a better measure than Passer Rating, but still flawed. At the end of the day all I care about is if the QB wins. Because thats all that matters.

[oneforthetoe]

I should start my own sports network and use some off-the-wall cosmic statistics likes wins vs. losses, playoff/championship wins and TD/INTs passes to analyze a QB's performance. I am sure the freaks and nuts would come crawling out of the woodwork.

I don't think the executives at ESPN at would have cared if ESPN analysts Jaws and Dilfer would have used height to rank quarterbacks in their new ESPN quarterback ranking. As long as the new ESPN quarterback ranking get lots of mention on ESPN and other networks, ESPN should be happy as ESPN can be.

[ALLD]

In reality, whatever way ESPN or the NFL Network can come up with a new QB measurement to place Manning and Brady at the top and keep them in the news, I am all for it. Now somebody please pass me a bucket so I will have something to throw up into.

[steel striker]

Seems to me this new rating system is just to make Brady & Manning look better than they are. Also it really benefits the dink & dunk passing game. Don't get me wrong Peyton & golden boy are very good but, this just seems it was created for them & BSpn thinks it the greatest thing since sliced bread. The only thing the counts is the wins and, those losers @ BSpn can't see that. It still is a flawed rating system but. it just gives those talking heads something more to yap about. Speaking of BSpn I just can't stand that Michelle Beadle her hatred for Ben & the steelers is over the top. Not to mention she is a Jet's fan and, I guess that says it all. Sorry for going off topic.

[NCSteeler]

EPIC self promotion. Ignore ESPNs ranting and they will go away.

[zulater]

Any rating system that has Ben inferior to Eli Manning and vince Young is serisously flawed and can't be taken seriously. Sorry ESPN, better get back to the drawing board and try it again.