Compare that to Ben's first season starting vs NE in the playoffs in 04.
Ben's Rookie Season hitting the wall vs. Phillip Rivers' playoff season after spending two seasons on the bench learning behind Drew Brees in San Diego.
Rivers couldn't have walked into a better situation in San Diego. He got everything a young QB dreamed of. Veteran Team, an All-Pro Feature Back, an All-Pro TE, Wide Recievers, a competent Defense. Nobody is denying he's a good QB, but there really is no excuse for his inability to get the job done in the postseason.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...r=asc&start=45Originally Posted by HY7
And by that rationale, Manning should have more than one ring based on the fact that the Colts have been absolutely LOADED on the offensive side of the ball for the last decade+ and due to the slow but sure pussification of the game with rules changes that have largely and increasingly hamstrung defenses. And if Manning (or River or Brees) had to play behind the OL that Ben has gotten routinely beaten up behind for the last 6 years, he'd have already been forced to retire.
And among those three QBs, they have 2 rings and 3 SB appearances between them. The same number Ben has BY HIMSELF.
The disrespect continues. I guess Ben will just have to win another SB while having an MVP-type season for him to finally get the respect he deserves. There's no question that he is one of the top 5 QBs in the league, behind Marsha, St. Manning, Brees and Rodgers.
Rivers is really good. So is Ben. Ben has turned it on in big games and won. Rivers hasn't, yet.
for all the love that the Steelers' defense gets, in the 13 games Ben has played in the postseason, the Steelers offense has averaged 26 ppg and the defense has averaged 21 ppg allowed, and that is accounting for defensive TDs scored and return TDs allowed
Steelers' offense has not had a single game under 20 points produced. Not one single time.
What is truly scary is what could happen if Ben wasn't saddled with the most laughably pathetic offensive line to make it to the postseason each year since 2006.
Simple...
Ben has been to 3 Super Bowls, winning 2 of them.
Rivers has been to none.
In my book, that's all that matters.
Ben = winner, Philip = whiner. 'Nuff said.
Rivers, 7 td's 9 interceptions, and one of the worst excuses for a two minute drill I've ever seen. Where the hell is Mr. Rivers is so freaking much better, not even debatable at today?
"A man's got to know his limitations."
....Originally Posted by Grachuus
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Tony Romo is now better than Phil Rivers and he is a choke artist.
All Defense!
Ben vs Eli is by far a better Comparisons!
If you're a Charger's fan you probably stay awake at night wondering what would have happened if Marty Shottenheimer had won the power struggle over A.J. Smith and had drafted Larry Fitzgerald in the 04 draft to compliment his franchise quarterback Drew Brees.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
Now here is a discussion that isn't even close. Phil Rivers hasn't even been a good player in two seasons now. I think he has lost too much arm strength. His awkward delivery could be the reason for that. If you ask me his 'pitch count' has just been too high for that arm to handle over the course of his career. Maybe he turns it around, but the dude looks like he is almost done to me. That team needs to switch to a true west coast offense if they want Rivers to be the answer.
wanted to ask Grachuus ( who is now long gone ) how many Rings did Rivers bring home to San Diego because at the end of the day anything less that hoisting the Lombardi is a failure for all 32 teams in the league
Rivers is not only inferior to Ben, it's questionable to even consider him "good" anymore. His arm is dead.
I think what your seeing now is that rivers was a product of the talent around him, where as qbs like ben ans manning make the talent around them better. So when rivers came into the league he joined a very talented san diego team and being a decent qb he started very strong.
The chargers are 21-23 and no playoffs apparence since L.T left SD