Plus they want to do some kind of groundbreaking or ribbon cutting on September 11. That tells you all you need to know--it's intended as an FU to America, not as a legitimate mosque.Originally Posted by st33lersguy
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Plus they want to do some kind of groundbreaking or ribbon cutting on September 11. That tells you all you need to know--it's intended as an FU to America, not as a legitimate mosque.
As one who believes in reciprocity, I think we should test our next new warhead on mecca. And as tests must be conclusive, test another on medina.
What?
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution,
but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln
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In all seriousness, do you have a credible source that supports that? This is the first I'm hearing of it and I live around here. THAT would not be stood for, I can assure you of that.
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Same here . The news is not reporting that ( groundbreaking ) here .
"Incredibly, ground-breaking for the Ground Zero mosque is scheduled for Sept. 11 -- the anniversary of 9/11. Does it take much imagination to figure out how al-Jazeera and the militant Muslim world will greet that occurrence?"
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/co.../14926731.html
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/26172
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution,
but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln
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Why test? Send something we know that works.As one who believes in reciprocity, I think we should test our next new warhead on mecca. And as tests must be conclusive, test another on medina.
What?
Give a lib a fish--he eats for a day
Teach a lib to fish--he is back the next day asking for more free fish.
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who?
me?
is it even remotely possible that your are a late entry to this discussion and havent followed this thread in its entirety? because i have already clearly stated my OWN PERSONAL stance on the subject pages ago.
but if that isnt enough, subtracting raw emotion and looking at it from a legal standpoint, the below post sums up my view nicely.
make no mistake, st33lersguy, that your reason for not wanting a mosque built on what should be final resting grounds is no greater than mine. FWIW i also dont advocate opening a sushi bar on top of the USS Arizona.
ANY inference that i am less american, or less of a patriot than you, i will take as a personal attack and suspect it will be dealt with accordingly.
(good post urgle....)
I think they can buy whatever they want, that doesn't preclude a zoning board from saying you can't build that HERE. ZBs take free will into hand all the time to make decisions about how cities and towns should be laid out. One major thing that sticks out for me here (in proving they are staking their victory) is that this is not a Muslim neighborhood nor is it very near one. It's a conqueror staking his flag on the soil of his victory, no more no less.what a coincidence.
what irks me about this whole thing is how right-wingers who preach capitalism to no end, now all of a sudden want to ignore the right to sale prime NYC real estate to muslims and their right (granted under our freedoms and liberties *theres that evil "lib" word*) to do whatever they want with it as they wish.
has anyone bothered yet to find out who is responsible for the sale of this land? my stance on that is already clearly stated.
do ZB's also take into account free kickbacks and bribes?
this isnt as much a political issue with me as it is a religious one and the united states' God is the almighty dollar, not Jesus Christ (or mohammed or zeus).
i notice "where's the porn" is underneath your SN. perhaps our govt should take 'free will' into hand and outlaw that in regards to how the morality of this nation is laid out.
(the roll of devils advocate is never an easy one).
I say let them build it ... and then let's blow it up!
I'm kidding of course (maybe).
Dates have symbolic importance to Muslims, so the fact that they plan to break ground on Sept. 11 shows their true intentions.
This is from Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, who are Muslims:
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mi...#ixzz0wCjTM1XzNew York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.
The Koran commands Muslims to, "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" -- i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna"
Exactly. Anyone who doesn't think this was meant to be a slap in the face shouldn't have any doubts now.
Stay classy, leftnutz
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Right !!!
I think about 9/11 everyday due to I was there on day 1 and also see Ground Zero on my way to work . Many people dont know the meaning of 9/11 . There are people who live in states where they think terrorists will never attack . The terrorists didn't attack " lower Manhatten " on 9/11, they attack America. Its a shame how there are "certain types" of people who will bend over for these people , very sad .
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Those were both pretty good articles, and surprising considering that most Canadians I spoke with loved that Obama won the election.
Still, I'm not going to buy into the date until I hear a credible news source within our own boarders report on it.
If there is any truth the the ground breaking date though, I think I may have to be there to protest as well.
well.....regardless how any of us feel, it will be built. the feds are now using the main imam as some sort of mid east tool.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...pxbaKvJbB4VLGM
specualte away on what it means, but the feds will be pushing it now.....interesting to say the least
When a child cries....somewhere in a small, lonely, sad place in the world.....a hobo laughs.
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Look at the closet muslim posing as president.specualte away on what it means, but the feds will be pushing it now.....interesting to say the least
Give a lib a fish--he eats for a day
Teach a lib to fish--he is back the next day asking for more free fish.
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Not to keep beating up on peoples' sources, but the NY Post is sort of a stand alone in the media department as well and tends to take "liberties."
There didn't seem to be anything negative about the guy and if he's trying to extend the olive branch from non-terrorist muslims to the rest of us, I don't have a problem with it. I just don't understand why we're paying for it (if that's all true).
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/wo...0germany-.htmlMosque Used by 9/11 Plotters Is Closed
BERLIN — The authorities in Hamburg said Monday that they had shut down the mosque where several of the hijackers involved in the Sept. 11 attacks had met, asserting that it remained a source of radicalization nearly a decade later.“Today we closed the Taiba mosque because young men were being turned into religious fanatics there,” said Christoph Ahlhaus, secretary of the interior for the city of Hamburg, at a news conference. “Behind the scenes, a supposed cultural organization shamelessly used the freedoms of our democratic rule of law to promote holy war.”
whether he is or isnt a moderate is ilrelevant. the point of interest, is out of all the moderate imams(of which i dont think he is) to send, the feds pick the guy central to the mosque uproar. thats just another FU to half the country. who is running the pres pr stuff, or making these inane decisions?
When a child cries....somewhere in a small, lonely, sad place in the world.....a hobo laughs.
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Who knows. I'm not going to subscribe to a conspiracy just yet though.
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Good stuff Vince. Moslems demand tolerance and respect from Western society but in their own world give neither to anyone.One of the things that seperate we Americans from our furry muslim "friends" is our humor, and their lack of it...
http://libertypundits.net/article/gr...a-of-tolerance
Ground Queero: Greg Gutfeld’s New Cordoba Mosque Gay Bar: A Mecca Of Tolerance
Greg Gutfeld the host of Fox’s Redeye decided to fight for tolerance:
So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it’s all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.
As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque – after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law – who can stop them?
Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I’ve decided to do the same thing.
I’m announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.
This is not a joke. I’ve already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.
As you know, the Muslim faith doesn’t look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I’m building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.
The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps – but still want to dance.
Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.
My place, however, will have better music.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...PIaJAD9HGS0PG0
Yep, the community orginizer in chief's state dept. will waste our hard earned tax dollars so this imam can go to the middle east. Hmmm, wonder why?
LMAO! That is brilliant!One of the things that seperate we Americans from our furry muslim "friends" is our humor, and their lack of it...
http://libertypundits.net/article/gr...a-of-tolerance
Ground Queero: Greg Gutfeld’s New Cordoba Mosque Gay Bar: A Mecca Of Tolerance
Greg Gutfeld the host of Fox’s Redeye decided to fight for tolerance:
So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it’s all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.
As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque – after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law – who can stop them?
Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I’ve decided to do the same thing.
I’m announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.
This is not a joke. I’ve already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.
As you know, the Muslim faith doesn’t look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I’m building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.
The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps – but still want to dance.
Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.
My place, however, will have better music.
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Perhaps I'm being silly, but I imagine us (ALL OF US) only being pushed so far before shit gets...."less than hospitable" for ANYONE wishing to take this Islam thing too far in the U.S.
Yea, perhaps this Mosque is where the beginning of the end of it is, but so many people are outraged that some of the stories are being twisted into conspiracies and false propaganda.
I'm willing to wait and see. They can't put up anything that we can't burn down. This Country still belongs to us and I honestly don't believe we're in any danger of losing it to anyone; least of all Muslims.
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It was pointed out to me that I may have come off as soft and therefore disappointing to my fellow "Righties." Don't worry boys, I didn't get to the part about loading up the shot guns, jumping in the back of the pick up and goin out lookin for (place Muslim slur here).
I thought this was a good Op-Ed piece from the New York Times:
A Monument to Tolerance
Published: August 3, 2010
It has been disturbing to hear and read the vitriol and outright bigotry surrounding the building of a mosque two blocks from the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. So it was inspiring when New York City’s Landmarks Preservation Commission voted 9 to 0 on Tuesday to reaffirm one of the basic tenets of democracy: religious tolerance.
Instead of caving in to the angry voices — many but not all of them self-promoting Republican politicians — commissioners paved the way for construction of the mosque and Islamic center. It was not just the right thing to do, it was the only thing to do.
The attacks of Sept. 11 were not a religious event. They were mass murder. The American response, as President Obama and President George W. Bush before him have said many times, was not a war against Islam.
Read the rest at A Monument to Tolerance at Ground Zero
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The only thing The New York Times is good for is climbing
More like the Jew York Times. Am I right?The only thing The New York Times is good for is climbing
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HEY! My friend is Jewish!
The people of Mufreesboro, Tennessee don't want a new Mosque in their town either because...then the terrorists win?
Plan for Mosque in Tennessee Town Draws Criticism From Residents
A plan to build an Islamic community center in the middle-Tennessee town of Murfreesboro sparked an eruption of ugly criticism on Thursday from some residents who don't want a mosque built in their backyard.
More than 600 people turned out for a meeting of the Rutherford County Commission Thursday night, with some sharing their opposition in public comments that at times turned intolerant.
"We have a duty to investigate anyone under the banner of Islam," Allen Jackson, the pastor of World Outreach Church, said at the meeting.
Some more snippets:
Some at the Thursday meeting wore religious or patriotic-themed clothing, and no one defended the plan in two hours of public comments, the Tennessean newspaper reported.
"They seem to be against everything that I believe in, and so I don't want them necessarily in my neighborhood spreading that type of comment," said one man at the meeting.
Tracey Steven, who also attended, said, "Our country was founded through the founding fathers -- through the true God, the Father and Jesus Christ."More reasons to never move to TennesseeBahloul said he and the center have done their best to dispel rumors that they are tied to terrorists and explain their motivation. On their website, they assure neighbors that they have no ties to any outside national or international organizations.
Still, Bahloul said the criticism stings.
"It hurts a little bit because it took the excitement away from us," he said.
There's no such thing as a "good" Op-Ed piece from the New York Times as evidenced by what must be one of the most ignorant comments in human history.
What about the 21 muslim terrorists attacking the penultimate symbols of our society eludes you and the rest of you liberals? I have searched in vain for a shred of logic in all this repackaging of islamic savagery as "man-made disasters", and "we caused 9/11", and the rest of the mindless bull@#$%. But that one stupid comment did it for me. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
You people hate this country so much you fall all over yourselves to lie and cover up what is obvious to any organism with a brainwave. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Let me amend my first remark - what must be one of the most deliberately deceptive comments in human history.
What you don't or refuse to realize is that when islam comes, you'll be the first to go.
Last edited by X-Terminator; 08-10-2010 at 09:27 PM. Reason: Removed inflammatory language - please watch yourself.
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