No mosque at Ground Zero

[Vincent]

Without comment....

[MasterOfPuppets]

here's the problem. the elected dirtbags have already shown time and time again they DON'T CARE ABOUT PUBLIC OPINION... sure you can vote em out... only to be replaced by more of the same.

[ALLD]

I agree with everything the man said. You can also push Americans so far, but when they go too far all hell breaks loose.

If we had an alternative to importing most of our oil and gasoline we would not be having this conversation. Real leadership is needed to find alternative energy and domestic production as a matter of national security.

[Vincent]

I agree with everything the man said. You can also push Americans so far, but when they go too far all hell breaks loose.

If we had an alternative to importing most of our oil and gasoline we would not be having this conversation. Real leadership is needed to find alternative energy and domestic production as a matter of national security.

We import oil because it's cheaper. There is no end of oil in the US but it is relatively expensive because it's more difficult to get to. "Our dependence on foreign oil" is bull@#$%.

One could even speculate that the dirty rotten corporations keep us believing "our dependence on foreign oil". I wouldn't though. That's why we have Ric.

[The Patriot]

While we're disregarding freedom of religion, can we get rid of Calvinists too?

[7SteelGal43]

While we're disregarding freedom of religion, can we get rid of Calvinists too?

Patriot* , are you saying you'd have no problem with a mosque at ground zero in NYC ?

[The Patriot]

Patriot* , are you saying you'd have no problem with a mosque at ground zero in NYC ?

Yep.

Not all Muslims are extremists.

[Shea]

Looks like so many here are grouping all Muslims into one category as psycho extremists and therefore they must all be murderous nut jobs, just like those terrorists that blew up the towers.

Muslim population in our country is vast, and I think we should all take into account that the fuckers of 9/11 aren't anywhere affiliated to them, and recognize that the vast Muslim community here was as sickened as we were ourselves that day.

Of course there is always the exception, as there is in anything in life, but let's please keep in mind that it's way beyond the majority of their population.

Call me crazy, but I think a mosque - which would be further than you might think from ground zero - would be something to show how much more educated we are, and a confirmation of what our country is all about and founded upon - differences in culture.

BTW, I have a cousin that could be the spitting image of Timothy McVeigh.

Get what I'm saying here??

I say build it, and let's start to hopefully be able to heal because of it.

Let's go for peace and understanding.

[Mattsme]

BTW, I have a cousin that could be the spitting image of Timothy McVeigh.

Get what I'm saying here??

I have a cousin that died at the Pentagon that day.
And, I was on my way to the Murrah building the morning that McVeigh blew it up. We were half an hour late. We finally pulled over to a gas station because we were getting passed by police, state troopers, fire trucks and ambulances one after the other. That's when we found out.

So yeah, I get what you're saying here. However,

I say build it, and let's start to hopefully be able to heal because of it.

I say kill them.

Sorry if that's not the popular sentiment.

[Vincent]

I say kill them.

Sorry if that's not the popular sentiment.

No apology is necessary. They would gleefully kill us.

[7SteelGal43]

Looks like so many here are grouping all Muslims into one category as psycho extremists and therefore they must all be murderous nut jobs, just like those terrorists that blew up the towers.

I think most people here know the difference between Muslims and extremist terrorist jihadist murdurous dirtbag Muslims. However, no matter how ya slice it, building a Mosque and ground zero is an asshat move. I pray it never gets built.

[Dino 6 Rings]

Looks like so many here are grouping all Muslims into one category as psycho extremists and therefore they must all be murderous nut jobs, just like those terrorists that blew up the towers.

Yes in fact, I do put them all in the same category because the heart of their doctrine is the spread of their "religion" as fundemental Governoring Law. It has zero to do with "worship" and everything to do with Taking Over the Entire Aspect of a Human Beings Life.

So yeah, As long as those jackkholes bow four times a day to a MOON GOD and a SPACE ROCK...I will put them all in the group of people on this planet that want me to die, convert, or convert or die.

[venom]

If Obama is all for it , its sure to never get built

[Devilsdancefloor]

i personally feel like NO religious buildings should be built at ground zero.

[MasterOfPuppets]

[MasterOfPuppets]

i'll give it another 10 - 20 years, and this is what we'll be seeing in every country...

Nigerian Christians Riot, Kill Muslims in Retaliation
James Joyner | Tuesday, February 21, 2006

Nigerian Christians have gone on an anti-Muslim killing spree, apparently in retaliation for earlier murderous riots by Muslims angered over cartoons.

Christian mobs rampaged through a southern Nigerian city Tuesday, burning mosques and killing several people in an outbreak of anti-Muslim violence that followed deadly protests against caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad over the weekend.

Residents and witnesses in the southern, predominantly Christian city of Onitsha said several Muslims with origins in the north were beaten to death by mobs which also burned two mosques there. “The mosque at the main market has been burnt and I’ve counted at least six dead bodies on the streets,” Izzy Uzor, an Onitsha resident and businessman, told The Associated Press by telephone. “The whole town is in a frenzy and people are running in all directions.”

The violence appeared to be in reprisal for anti-Christian violence Saturday in the mostly Muslim northern city of Maiduguri in which thousands of Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad attacked Christians and burned churches, killing at least 18 people.

Lovely. Not particularly surprising, I suppose, but nonetheless tragic.

[MasterOfPuppets]

guess none of the ...."good muslims" ... thought to bring this guy to the attention of the authorities while he was preaching hate here in the good ole USA mosque's ...

U.S. cleric urges Muslims to kill U.S. soldiers

(Reuters) - A U.S.-born militant cleric has urged Muslims to kill U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan and vowed to step up attacks against the U.S. military, according to a videotape released on Sunday.


(Reuters) - A U.S.-born militant cleric has urged Muslims to kill U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan and vowed to step up attacks against the U.S. military, according to a videotape released on Sunday.

Anwar al-Awlaki, wanted dead or alive by U.S. authorities, is a leading figure linked to al Qaeda's Yemen-based wing. He is believed to be on the run in the impoverished Gulf Arab state.

"Muslims should object to what's going on either verbally or by physical action," Awlaki said in the 45-minute interview posted on an Islamist website. Reuters could not immediately verify the authenticity of the recording.

Awlaki praised the actions of U.S. Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan who shot dead 13 people at Fort Hood, a Texas army base, in November.

"Nidal was my student ... I'm proud of Nidal Hasan and this was a heroic act," he said, adding: "Who can object to what he did? He killed soldiers on their way to Iraq and Afghanistan."

Hasan had sent emails to the cleric but they were intercepted by U.S. intelligence agencies and examined by U.S. joint terrorism task forces.

"If the situation remains we will see new Nidal Hasans appearing," Awlaki said in the tape. "These American soldiers on their way to Afghanistan and Iraq, we will kill them."

Asked by an interviewer if killing U.S. soldiers would have a negative impact on Muslims in the United States, Awlaki said defending Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan was a larger priority.

"Is protecting the reputation of Muslims in America more important than bombs dropping on millions of Muslims elsewhere?"

U.S. officials said in April that President Barack Obama's administration had authorized operations to capture or kill Awlaki. Yemen has said it will not hand over Awlaki, whose family is well-known in Yemen, but instead put him on trial if he is arrested.

Born in New Mexico, Awlaki led prayers at U.S. mosques. He returned to Yemen in 2004 where he taught at a university before he was arrested and imprisoned in 2006 for suspected links to al Qaeda and involvement in attacks. He was released in late 2007.

Western countries fear that al Qaeda's resurgent regional wing is exploiting instability in Yemen, which borders oil giant Saudi Arabia, to launch attacks in the region and beyond.

(Reporting by Amena Bakr; Editing by Maria Golovnina)

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64M0OR20100523

[SCSTILLER]

guess none of the ...."good muslims" ... thought to bring this guy to the attention of the authorities while he was preaching hate here in the good ole USA mosque's ...

MOP, I wonder what the percentage is of U.S. mosques that have ties to terrorism. I did a quick search and found reports saying anywhere from 50% all the way up to 80% (quick google glances).

Also, I wonder if the parents of that three year old future jihadist have a bumper sticker on the back of their car that states "My child is student of the month at suicide bomber school"

[ricardisimo]

i personally feel like NO religious buildings should be built at ground zero.

+1

[Vincent]

-1

[NJarhead]

i personally feel like NO religious buildings should be built at ground zero.

There are those that would differ.
911cross.jpg


Although, I'm sure they oppose the mosque as well.

Let me be clear about one thing with regards to my stance: I understand that it's not the popular view, and I also find myself feeling strange about supporting it. I just do and for the reasons I stated.

That said, should they be found to have abused this privilege awarded them rather than continue to mend and plant the seed to future relations with the rest of us, then by all means: evict them in the most hostile way allowed.

My feeling is that if they can succeed in what they say they want to do, we will all be the better for it.

I don't hate Muslims; I hate terrorists and or anyone wishing to negatively impact the American way of life.

[Vincent]

There are those that would differ.
911cross.jpg

I have no issue with religious expressions at Ground Zero except if they are islamic. Ground Zero exists because of islam. No expression of any kind by islam in any capacity is appropriate or acceptable. The only "expression of regret" I would ever accept from them would be the self incineration of one of their "holy" cities.

My feeling is that if they can succeed in what they say they want to do, we will all be the better for it.

1,300 years of islam tells us there is no prospect for such an "if".

[NJarhead]

I have no issue with religious expressions at Ground Zero except if they are islamic. Ground Zero exists because of islam. No expression of any kind by islam in any capacity is appropriate or acceptable. The only "expression of regret" I would ever accept from them would be the self incineration of one of their "holy" cities.



1,300 years of islam tells us there is no prospect for such an "if".

I don't disagree with you often my Friend, and trust me, it goes against what I feel is the easier emotion for me as well, but Islam is not to blame IMO.

I blame men like him:
Osama-Bin-Laden.jpg


Not folks like them:
MarjahVictim022110.jpg

[ricardisimo]

I don't disagree with you often my Friend, and trust me, it goes against what I feel is the easier emotion for me as well, but Islam is not to blame IMO.

I blame men like him:
Osama-Bin-Laden.jpg


Not folks like them:
MarjahVictim022110.jpg

You must be sniffing the same glue I'm using, mein freund.

[Vincent]

I don't disagree with you often my Friend, and trust me, it goes against what I feel is the easier emotion for me as well, but Islam is not to blame IMO.

Not folks like them:
MarjahVictim022110.jpg

I don't think we disagree by much.

My issue is not with "folks like these" anymore than I had any issue with Ivan and Ludmilla Q. Public during the Cold War. They're all victims of oppression. "Folks like these" just don't know it because they're beaten into submission by their "religion".

My issue is with islam which breeds terrorism. mo himself was a terrorist. islam will not rest until you, I, Ric, everybody in this forum, all our families, and everybody we know have been beaten into submission, or have died in the process.

No, we can't just get along. Ground Zero tells us that.

And 'sides, I'm not arguing with you, you're arguing with me.

[Dino 6 Rings]

Hey maybe we should allow a group of White Neo Nazi, anti Federal Government pro Militia guys to build a "memorial" to Timothy McVeigh next to the Oklahoma City Federal Building?

See how effing dumb it is to allow the enemy to build a Monument to their Greatest Victory against us at the Site of the death of 3000 of our Civilians?

Maybe we should build a Statue of George Bush in downtown Baghdad, or how about a Catholic Church with a McDonalds in MECCA where NO NONE MOSLMES are even allowed? How about that.

I swear, the enemy is at the gates and people REFUSE to see it.

[NJarhead]

Hey maybe we should allow a group of White Neo Nazi, anti Federal Government pro Militia guys to build a "memorial" to Timothy McVeigh next to the Oklahoma City Federal Building?

See how effing dumb it is to allow the enemy to build a Monument to their Greatest Victory against us at the Site of the death of 3000 of our Civilians?

Maybe we should build a Statue of George Bush in downtown Baghdad, or how about a Catholic Church with a McDonalds in MECCA where NO NONE MOSLMES are even allowed? How about that.

I swear, the enemy is at the gates and people REFUSE to see it.

Sorry buddy, but I'm not buying that. Same shit was said about all Japanese Americans during WWII. We imprisoned them, deported them, displaced them and stole their homes and business and then, 50 years later we apologized to them.
SOME were lucky to serve in the military and they fought bravely too.

There is no shortage of Muslims in our military at present and while a few have refused to fight and even resorted to violence against their fellow troops, the vast majority of them serve honorably.

I think it is unfair to label and entire group of people by the actions of less than 10% of them. In fact, I think it's ignorant bullshit. Every damn generation has done it to one group or another and this time its ALL Muslims. And the only purpose this serves is to cause even more unnecessary friction between all the cultures involved.

Saudi Arabi gave Israel access to their air space in order to attack another Muslim nation. If THAT isn't progress then I don't know what is.

[Dino 6 Rings]

Sorry buddy, but I'm not buying that. Same shit was said about all Japanese Americans during WWII. We imprisoned them, deported them, displaced them and stole their homes and business and then, 50 years later we apologized to them.
SOME were lucky to serve in the military and they fought bravely too.

There is no shortage of Muslims in our military at present and while a few have refused to fight and even resorted to violence against their fellow troops, the vast majority of them serve honorably.

I think it is unfair to label and entire group of people by the actions of less than 10% of them. In fact, I think it's ignorant bullshit. Every damn generation has done it to one group or another and this time its ALL Muslims. And the only purpose this serves is to cause even more unnecessary friction between all the cultures involved.

Saudi Arabi gave Israel access to their air space in order to attack another Muslim nation. If THAT isn't progress then I don't know what is.

I can go to Japan now and now worry about getting my head chopped off. Try going to Mecca some time.

The Saudi's are Sunni's the Iranians are Shiites, so I see the Saudi's as pushing their old war (since the days after Mohammed died and his nephew Ali had his head cut off and sent to his mom in Demascus) against the Shiites.

Call it ignorant all you want, I care not, I have identified the enemy of our US Constitution and our way of life. When one of them walks into a store you're shopping in and blows himself up in the name of his moon god, then maybe you'll see it differently. Kumbaya and all my good buddy.

[NJarhead]

I can go to Japan now and now worry about getting my head chopped off. Try going to Mecca some time.

The Saudi's are Sunni's the Iranians are Shiites, so I see the Saudi's as pushing their old war (since the days after Mohammed died and his nephew Ali had his head cut off and sent to his mom in Demascus) against the Shiites.

Call it ignorant all you want, I care not, I have identified the enemy of our US Constitution and our way of life. When one of them walks into a store you're shopping in and blows himself up in the name of his moon god, then maybe you'll see it differently. Kumbaya and all my good buddy.

You can go to Japan now, but you couldn't back then.
Have you never been in the same store as a Muslim in this country?

[MasterOfPuppets]

Saudi Arabi gave Israel access to their air space in order to attack another Muslim nation. If THAT isn't progress then I don't know what is.

which may, or may not be true...

http://www.zeenews.com/news633851.html
Saudi denies Israel airspace deal against Iran
Dubai: Saudi Arabia has said it will never allow its territory to be used for aggression against another nation, denying reports that it had given permission to Israel to overfly its airspace to attack Iran.

"Saudi Arabia has repeatedly reiterated its clear stance that it will never allow anyone to use its territories or airspace for aggression against another nation," a statement said.
Reacting to a report in a British newspaper, the country said it would be illogical to give such a permission to Israel, with which Saudi Arabia has no relations.

Earlier, Saudi and US defence officials were quoted in a report as saying that Riyadh will allow Israeli jets to use its airspace if Tel Aviv decides to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.

In London, Ambassador of Saudi Arabia to UK Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf issued a categorical denial of the report.
n a press statement, he said this would be against the policy adopted and followed by the Kingdom. He reiterated the Kingdom's stand in rejecting any violation of its territories or airspace.

He said it would be illogical to allow the Israeli occupying force, with whom Saudi Arabia has no relations whatsoever, to use its land and airspace