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I don't think we disagree by much.
My issue is not with "folks like these" anymore than I had any issue with Ivan and Ludmilla Q. Public during the Cold War. They're all victims of oppression. "Folks like these" just don't know it because they're beaten into submission by their "religion".
My issue is with islam which breeds terrorism. mo himself was a terrorist. islam will not rest until you, I, Ric, everybody in this forum, all our families, and everybody we know have been beaten into submission, or have died in the process.
No, we can't just get along. Ground Zero tells us that.
And 'sides, I'm not arguing with you, you're arguing with me.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution,
but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln
pay close attention to the bold parts...
Peace march for new mosque gets ugly
Opponents of proposed Sheepshead Bay mosque outnumbered by supporters
A peace march in support of a controversial proposed mosque in Sheepshead Bay turned ugly last Thursday after residents jeered marchers, most of whom were from outside the area.
“This is a Jewish neighborhood — build a mosque in your own neighborhood,” yelled Stan Yunatanov, who lives across the street from the proposed house of worship and cultural center planned for Voorhies Avenue between East 28th and East 29th streets.
Another woman, who refused to give her name, yelled, “[Muslims] don’t love America. They hate America.”
There were no arrests, but tension — which has been high ever since the Muslim American Society purchased the property earlier this year — was definitely of Biblical proportions during the “Children of Abraham Interfaith Peace Walk,” the seventh annual march for the Park Slope-based group.
The peace group originally planned to have its march in Coney Island, but decided to have it in Sheepshead Bay to support the embattled mosque project.
“It’s a show of support for the right of all faiths to worship,” said Rabbi Ellen Lippmann, one of the event organizers and the head of Kolot Chayeinu, a Jewish congregation that holds its services in a Park Slope church.
The show of support had a distinct “outsider” feel, however. Organizers said that they tried to get locals involved, but failed.
“We tried to recruit local clergy, but nobody wanted to join the walk,” said Rev. Tom Martinez, another Park Slope-based cleric.
And the original starting place for the parade — St. Mark’s Catholic Church on the corner of Ocean Avenue and Avenue Z — was changed after the church pulled out, citing local complaints, organizers said.
As a result, the march started on Voorhies and Ocean avenues. In all, about 200 children and adults -— many waving American flags — walked peacefully down Emmons Avenue and up Bedford Avenue before turning down Voorhies, where they were greeted with the catcalls. Some opponents held photos of Muslims burning an American flag and denounced the mosque’s affiliation with the Muslim American Society, which has been tied to Hamas and Hezbollah.
That’s balderdash, said Ahmed Allowey, a longtime neighborhood resident who is working with the Muslim group to create the mosque because the “organization has programs for young people [to] maintain their Islamic identity as well as their American identity so they can grow up to be proud Muslims and proud Americans.”
Despite the ugly catcalls, the majority of anti-mosque residents said that their opposition was not about religion at all, but about traffic. The mosque would be on a very narrow street with little parking.
“I would say the same thing if it were a Catholic church because this isn’t a good spot for a house of worship,” said Amelia McMahon, who lives a block from the site. “This is a residential neighborhood. There’s nowhere to park, and I don’t want all the noise and traffic around here.”
That said, there is a growing Muslim population in the neighborhood, and many said they will walk to the mosque. As it is now, followers of Islam have no local place to worship and teach the religion to their children, supporters said.
“We are more than 100 families in this neighborhood,” said Salle Colagi, who lives with his wife and three children near the site. “This is a good spot for the mosque because usually when we go to worship, or to teach our kids, we have to travel all the way to Bay Ridge or Canarsie. Once this is built, we can walk here.”
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...#ixzz0r8QnulVH
They're all tied to hamas and hezbollah.
This book details the islamic "program" from the inside of "CAIR" (Council on American-Islamic Relations), the "happy face" of terror that operates in the US. http://www.amazon.com/MUSLIM-MAFIA-U...6743458&sr=8-1 The author is a former federal agent, is a U.S. State Department-trained Arabic linguist and counterterrorism specialist. He has the goods.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution,
but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln
http://wcbstv.com/local/staten.islan...2.1745014.htmlSTATEN ISLAND (CBS) ―
Muslim American Society Questioned Over Mosque
Mohamed Sadeia of the Muslim American Society responds to heated audience members at a hearing over a proposed mosque on Staten Island on June 9, 2010.
A confrontational hearing on Staten Island over a proposed mosque touched off so much emotion that it's prompted a closer look at the group that wants to build it: the Muslim American Society.
Thursday night at a packed hearing, a proposal to build a mosque on Staten Island ran into some heated opposition.
The group that wants to build a mosque and community center on what had been a Catholic convent is the Muslim American Society. Founded in Virginia in 1993, they have built mosques and community centers in the Bath Beach section of Brooklyn, they say, to promote understanding. One of the people at the hearing challenged the leader of the mosque, Mohamed Sadeia, to denounce Hamas and Hezbollah:
Those in attendance felt Sadeia twice avoided a direct answer, until he finally spoke out against terrorism generally.
"There is no relationship, as we stand today, between MAS, the Muslim American Society, and any foreign entity," Sadeia said.
While the Muslim American Society is not on any government list of terrorist organizations, Hamas and Hezbollah are. Annemarie McAvoy, a former federal prosecutor, saw a video on the Internet, like many people at Wednesday night's meeting, which shows a current director of the Muslim American Society eight years ago cheering at a Washington rally when the crowd is asked, "Who supports Hamas?" and then "Who supports Hezbollah?"
Sadeia said that man's eight-year-old opinion did not speak for his group, but strong doubts about the Muslim American Society remain:
"A couple of the founders apparently are members of the Muslim Brotherhood," said McAvoy. "Apparently the Muslim Brotherhood has a lot of ties to Muslim extremists
CBS 2 made repeated efforts to interview Sadeia on Thursday or some other leader from the Muslim American Society, but messages were not answered. After facing such strong opposition Wednesday night, it is not clear if the group still plans to build the mosque.
Shea, there is tons of very well documented evidence of direct domestic support of hamas, hezbollah, et al. Yes, you have to look for it because "the media" won't touch it. While there are many books and articles, the one I referenced above is a good look into the operations of CAIR by one of our professionals. One of the more visible and painful examples of the relationship between a mosque and terror is the case of the Ft Hood massacre. Its all out there in black and white, yet our gubmint can't bring themselves to call that what it is because of their fear of offending muslims.
I don't involve myself in this stuff because I'm bored. They are destroying Europe and the UK, and have a substantial base to do the same here.
No, the muslim brotherhood ARE muslim extremists. "The Brotherhood was founded in accordance with al-Banna’s proclamation that Islam be “given hegemony over all matters of life.” Accordingly, the Brotherhood seeks to establish an Islamic Caliphate spanning the entire Muslim world. It also aspires to make Islamic (Shari’a) law the sole basis of jurisprudence and governance. Toward this purpose -- encapsulated in the Brotherhood’s militant credo: “God is our objective, the Koran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, struggle is our way, and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations” -- the Brotherhood since its founding has supported the use of armed struggle, or jihad. The Brotherhood supports the waging of jihad against non-Muslim “infidels,” and has expressed support for terrorism against Israel, whose legitimacy the Brotherhood does not recognize, and against the West, particularly the United States."
Everybody gets all wee-wee'd up over things like the "aryan brotherhood", and they should. But those lowlife are pretenders compared to the muslim brotherhood and their "associates".
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution,
but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln
Okay, to all those against the Mosque, I can't judge the intentions of these particular Muslims (I hope they're good), but let's pretend that they're ill-intentioned and are actually doing this to show that they have conquered New York... Unless you can prove that they support terrorism or violence, there isn't much you can do to prevent them from building their Mosque.
One of the primary purposes of the constitution was to protect religion from the government. We can't even stop the Church that goes to funerals to celebrate the deaths of soldiers! If we tried to stop the Mosque, it would go to the Supreme Court and they would win.
You're right on every word. What can be done about it? Probably nothing. People are too wed to their debt service to risk civil disobedience.
But as you did, reverse the circumstances. What happens when Christians try to build Churches in muslim countries? What would happen if Jews tried to build a Temple in a muslim country? Its all out there for anybody's perusal. Violence, mayhem, murder, burning. The same thing that has been going on since the 7th century. The same thing that has been going on since Jews reentered their homeland.
Why do we tolerate these savages? I hearken back to the video at the top of the thread. Its insanity.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution,
but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln
You do realize there's already a couple of mosques and Islamic Centers in Manhattan right? One Islamic Center if fairly close to ground zero. I get your hatred for all things Islamic (that's your right), but like it's been mentioned, it's not like they're building a mosque right at the site. They also didn't really need to ask anyones permission either...if they want to build it all they need to do is apply for a grant and pick a spot, just like any other church would.
I just think it's silly to get so worked up about a mosque being built in Manhattan, when there's already mosques there.
Mom, I agree with your point entirely.
islam's history indicates that tolerance of islam leads to becoming a muslim country. We need look no further than what is happening to Europe and the UK.
To you, Patriot, WarDen, Shea, and I'm not intentionally leaving anyone out, what is the solution here?
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution,
but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln
I say give it a chance. No one says we can't respond accordingly should they "abuse" our tolerance.
P.S. "Tolerance" probably isn't the word to use here, but you get my point.
Vince, there are enough of us that would just as soon die before yielding to any religion wishing to change our nation. I'm not worried in the least; even if they blatantly tried.
The solution? Continue living your life and punish those who break the law is the easiest solution. I'm not sure that punishing people based on their religion is a good one though. Otherwise, the entire Christian faith would have to be punished for the acts of extremist organizations like the KKK, Army of God and Concerned Christians (to name a few).
Or what about the Christian Identity movement, which is a loosely affiliated global group of churches and individuals devoted to a racialized theology that asserts North European whites are the direct descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, God's chosen people. It has been associated with groups such as the Aryan Nations, Aryan Republican Army, Army of God, Phineas Priesthood, and The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord. It has been cited as an influence in a number of terrorist attacks around the world, including the 2002 Soweto bombings.
There are extremists in every religion...even good "God fearing" Christians right here in the good ole' US of A.
So? That doesn't mean that every muslim and every mosque is supporting terror. Also, whether it's from government funding or otherwise, every radical that acts out on their missions has someone or something funding them.
And as Warden mentioned...historically they did. Specifically from the Pope and Vatican City, back when they were the law of the land and controlled peoples lives (and deaths). Why, there were times when you would have been forced to submit to a certain sect of Christianity (Catholicism) or be imprisoned and/or killed.
really ? i've read dozens of articles (and posted a few here) that link hamas and hezbollah to the muslim organizations that fund the mosque building in the country. who is hamas and hezbollah linked to ? iran, lebanon, syria, palestine. ...
U.S. moves to seize California mosque with possible Iran link
The federal government has moved to seize a Carmichael mosque and seven other properties from Texas to New York owned by a nonprofit Muslim organization that federal prosecutors allege is a front for the Iranian government.
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/11/1...#ixzz0rCtFsjuI
US mosques and New York skyscraper seized over alleged Iran links
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...scraper-seizedGovernment-Funded Jihad
Rep. Darrel Issa (R-C.A.) and Sen. Susan Collins (R-M.E.) are demanding answers following the Investigative Project on Terrorism's discovery that taxpayer money is going to the radical Dar al-Hijrah mosque of Falls Church, Virginia. The revelation is an unsettling reminder of how jihadists are using America's freedoms and ineptitude of the government to their advantage.
Sounds like we're handling it exactly as we should. These stories actually make me feel better.
It's a no brainer that they will try to infiltrate our country, but as long as we continue to hunt them down and snuff them out while not violating our own constitution, I'm a happy camper.
try to? ... you might wanna read this article...
http://www.aina.org/news/20100528122649.htm
The mosque's ties to radical Islam and terrorism are so numerous they hard to keep track of. A basic Internet search would have yielded this information for the government officials that decided to do business with Dar al-Hijrah. The mosque should not be operating, and it is a disgrace that the American people are paying them tens of thousands of dollars without even knowing it.
Exactly. That's my feelings about it as well.
I'm not a big fan of organized religion in any form really because it often breeds people who will do crazy things like start wars and murder innocent people in the name of their beliefs. But this country is founded on tolerance of all religious beliefs, not the belief that a religions should be abolished because of radicals. If that were the case, there'd be absolutely no religion in this country.
and that right there is the loophole the radicals are exploiting...
Rep. Darrel Issa (R-C.A.) and Sen. Susan Collins (R-M.E.) are demanding answers following the Investigative Project on Terrorism's discovery that taxpayer money is going to the radical Dar al-Hijrah mosque of Falls Church, Virginia. The revelation is an unsettling reminder of how jihadists are using America's freedoms and ineptitude of the government to their advantage.
I agree and I get fed up with the self righteous finger pointing by our own Christians here in the U.S.
But, as long as they stay out of my face and that of my family's, then let them babble.
I DO believe folks yieldling "God loves dead soldiers" signs and the like, should have their heads adjusted with a Louisville Slugger however.
I won't disagree with that, but it's not a loophole that JUST Islamic radicals exploit. Or do you really think that members of Army of God, Christian Identity movement, Concerned Christians, KKK, Christian Patriot movement and Lambs of Christ (and many others) don't have churches built, don't get funding through business and investment tactics and don't get government (aka taxpayer) grants for growth and funding?