The Idea Is Spreading...

[smokin3000gt]

For the group of fans, myself included, who defend Ben with the "no proof, just accusations" train of thought, you guys sure seem to be hypocritical.

There is proof against the pats* and their cheating ways. Videos along with a confession from former employees and current head coach.. Well.. there WAS proof until Roger burned it all!

[silver & black]

I don't know if they are or not. I do know they are a damn good team.

Is KC cheating? They were supposed to finish last in the division this year, and here they are in the playoffs. Sometimes, things just go your way.

[Chidi29]

There is proof against the pats* and their cheating ways. Videos along with a confession from former employees and current head coach.. Well.. there WAS proof until Roger burned it all!

There was proof for that instance, yes. Not for this one.

The only evidence is the fact that the Pats are playing better than everyone else. That looks a whole lot more like jealousy than criminal activity.

[Devilsdancefloor]

You don't think that has anything to do with the fact they lost to them the first time around and went back and figured out what they did wrong? Then made the needed adjustments to their gameplan?

i think they did look at the "film" of their first meeting and made adjustments, BUT damn those are some great adjustments. I just do not think bitchlikeachick is that much of a genius. But from where we both are sitting we will never no either way, so until they get caught or never get caught because they are not cheating we can only speculate which it is. to me something is not adding up

[zulater]

This is the way I look at it. In my opinion the Patriots Super bowls are tainted. You don't cheat and risk the punishment and stigma attached to it if it doesn't gain you an advantage. That's not to say that I would vacate their titles ( if it was college I would) or propose an asterisk. But they are what they are, and if people choose to think less of them for that, it's on them.

Now as far as what's happening today, do I think the Patriots are gaining an unfair advantage by bending the rules again? If possible, yeah they probably are, that's their DNA. But do I see it as a valid excuse for the Steelers and the rest of the NFL if they are? Hell no! If you walk into a viper pit you take the proper precautions, you don't leave yourself vulnerable, you just assume the bastards will bite you if you afford them the chance, so you don't give them the chance!

Back in the old days Geoge Allen assumed the Cowboys were spying on him, and vice versa with Tom Landry. Al Davis always assumed the worst of his opponents, and in in turn his opponents always knew Al would use any nefarious measure he could to gain an advantage, and thus made sure not to make his job easy. So it's simple, assume the Patriots will cheat if you give them half a chance. The trick is don't give them the chance. Only an idiot gets bitten by the same dog twice.

[Godfather]

The Pats* are convicted cheaters, but I don't think they needed it against us. They didn't do anything underhanded to make Reed shank a chip shot field goal, and Gay getting repeatedly torched by a tight end isn't something that needs videotape.

[stlrtruck]

We can't see the Pats' actions. And for a legal process, it doesn't hope it gets it right and the physical proof will show itself down the road. Nor does it use the "I'm usually right" defense. Won't see that in a courtroom.

We really have no clue if Goodell has kept up with the Pats after the fact. That could be done behind closed doors. I don't see any reason for Goodell to publicly speak about it and drum up more talk like this nationwide.

But that's the problem in the legal system as well. Certain individuals are able to get around the laws and loopholes while others are made to pay the price and become examples for others, and it's typically not the ones it should.

Now to the NFL, this is my problem with Der Kommish, he will open his mouth on certain things that as the commissioner he should have no place to speak on it, but then to turn around and not address the concerns of the league that do affect the integrity of the game and the league makes it seem even 'funnier'

[Dino 6 Rings]

I'm not saying they are cheating, I called them a "good team" in like week 3 when I did a power ranking, they are really good on offense and their young defense has just gotten better as the season has gone on being able to play with leads in most of their games.

But...I would suggest, if they are not being strictly "legal" they sure aren't doing the same thing they got popped for last time. I'd lean more toward checking the radio signals during the games. Here, an article from September of 2007:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ike&id=3035449

Now...lets look at the something interesting in the Giants vs Patriots Super Bowl...
http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=206102020
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http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/01...per-bowl-xlii/
key point "45 person 'frequency cooridation team'" No fcking around with any signals in that game at all. 17-14 Giants

So now...one would have to wonder, is any QB in the National Football League actually getting radio signals from the sideline after the 15 second rule where the helmet is supposed to be turned off? That's the question. You wouldn't need the defense's play calls if you can tell the QB up to the very last second in his helmet "blitz from your left, hit the hot route slant" or "cover three not cover two" or "check to run, check to run!" Any good coach up in a booth, would be able to see the defense make its "change" at the last second and get that info to the QB instantly before the snap, or 3 seconds before the snap, enough time to pat your left thigh to check to the run or something. Just putting it out there.

But...for those who said "looked like the Pats knew what the Jets Dbs were doing" I'd suggest you watch the Miami vs Bears 1985 game and watch how a Great QB can tear apart a 46 Defense. That's what Rex runs, with some other crap thrown in, but its a base 46. Its his daddy's defense and he runs it, just like his brother still runs it, and a good QB, can pick it to pieces. You just have to know what you are doing and the Defense has to be unable to adjust out of their base defense in real time to cover their arse. Jump on them quick, and you can own a 46, same with any defense, they all have flaws, but Dan Marino showed you how a great QB can pick it apart. It requires Great Throws, with Dart like accuracy and folks...we may not like the guy, but Tom Brady can throw the ball on a freaking rope and get it into some of the tightest spots I've ever seen.

[GBMelBlount]

Chidi29There was proof for that instance, yes. Not for this one.

The only evidence is the fact that the Pats are playing better than everyone else. That looks a whole lot more like jealousy than criminal activity.

he Patriots shredded the Jets, Steelers, Dolphins, and Bears defenses. The Patties scored 45, 41, 39, and 36 points against those defenses. This is how those teams rank in points given up and total yards given up. Bears 3rd in PTs 8th in YDs, Jets 6th in PTs 3rd in YDs, Steelers 2nd in PTs 4th in YDs, Dolphins 8th in PTs 5th in YDs. Those are some damn good defenses by NFL standards. It's pretty ironic that they all had complete meltdowns against the Pats. It's almost as if the offense knew what the defense was going to do. I'm just saying......

Yes, this is just one man's opinion and no I don't have video evidence of them cheating in 2010

Really? I understand your point Chidi, but looking at the facts stated here, isn't this a point worthy of discussion?

[Mach1]

Roger Goodell has already proven that he'll take care of his good friend, Robert Kraft.

This is the only thing we need to know!!

[NCSteeler]

I don't know if they are or not. I do know they are a damn good team.

Is KC cheating? They were supposed to finish last in the division this year, and here they are in the playoffs. Sometimes, things just go your way.

Patriots West? Weis, Crennel and most importantly Pioli Patriots havn't been as good since they all left he team.

[NCSteeler]

Ernie Adams still works for the Pats...Hilarious

One of the most influential and unrecognizable difference-makers in New England sports, Adams is Belichick's best friend and most trusted adviser in football, the genius behind the gridiron genius, a mystery man whose fingerprints are all over the Patriots' mini-dynasty yet is all but unknown beyond Gillette Stadium.

Adams, who played football at Andover with Belichick, reports directly to the Patriots coach - he speaks into his headset during games - and has his hands on so many facets of the organization that even the team's top assistants struggle to define his role. His official title is football research director.

[ALLD]

Brett Favre.

[Count Steeler]

Saddest part of the whole NFL/Patriots Cheating Scandal is that you try to teach you kids that cheaters never prosper, yet here we have a franchise that is lauded as the team of the decade, and the reason for it is CHEATING!!!! Nice going Goodell, you pant load.

[smokin3000gt]

It's unfortunate for the pats that they a) cheated and b) got caught because now no matter what that will follow them everywhere. Anytime their 'dynasty' is mentioned, video tapes and cheating will be mentioned in the same breath.

[steelerdude15]

This is a dumb. Just because a team does good doesn't mean they're cheating. What a waste of an article.

[smokin3000gt]

This is a dumb. Just because a team does good doesn't mean they're cheating. What a waste of an article.

Doesn't mean that they're not either

[HometownGal]

This is a dumb. Just because a team does good doesn't mean they're cheating. What a waste of an article.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice . . . . you know the rest.

No - it doesn't mean they're cheating NOW, but they were caught red handed after their 3 Super Bowl wins and it puts a huge taint on those Lombardi's imho. To me, they will always be suspect because a leopard (Beliprick*) never changes its spots.

[Chidi29]

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Really? I understand your point Chidi, but looking at the facts stated here, isn't this a point worthy of discussion?

Nope. If this was a court case, and this was the information being brought, the fact that they're playing well, it would get shot down. You have to have more than this.

And we know why the Pats had success against us. Their offensive gameplan is the perfect counter for our defensive gameplan. The Jets strength was weakened because the Pats don't have to throw the ball downfield where Revis and Cromartie can go to work.

I'll repeat. Just because the Steelers have been playing well this decade, doesn't mean we're using steroids. Anyone who would make such a claim is an idiot and you guys would think/call him that. As would I.

[NCSteeler]

It's unfortunate for the pats that they a) cheated and b) got caught because now no matter what that will follow them everywhere. Anytime their 'dynasty' is mentioned, video tapes and cheating will be mentioned in the same breath.

WRONG! When do you ever here cheating mentioned outside of an internet forum? I think hte main stream media and "light" sports fans by proxy have completely blown off the cheating bit.

[Kittyfish]

I have heard "cheating" mentioned on ESPN, though very rarely. I have heard about the infamous "tuck" actually being a fumble more often, though not often enough. *g* That said, I do agree that the general public or "light" sports fan have pretty much forgotten about it - TPTB did a very fine job of sweeping it under the rug and destroying the evidence before anybody got to see what it actually was. People who follow football more closely will remember, though, and I'm willing to bet more than a few mentally add the asterisk when the Pat's SB wins or dynasty are mentioned. Football fans tend to take their teams and games very seriously, if you haven't noticed. :-D

[GBMelBlount]

Originally Posted by GBMelBlount

Really? I understand your point Chidi, but looking at the facts stated here, isn't this a point worthy of discussion?

Chidi

Nope.....I'll repeat. Just because the Steelers have been playing well this decade, doesn't mean we're using steroids. Anyone who would make such a claim is an idiot and you guys would think/call him that. As would I.

Someone specifically points out that a team who was recently caught cheating averages 40 points per game against 4 of the top defenses in the NFL and THIS is your response?

I am not saying they cheated but....

C'mon Chidi, you can do better than that. That was a TERRIBLE analogy!

[Chidi29]

Someone specifically points out that a team who was recently caught cheating averages 40 points per game against 4 of the top defenses in the NFL and THIS is your response?

I am not saying they cheated but....

C'mon Chidi, you can do better than that. That was a TERRIBLE analogy!

Uh, no, that wasn't just my response. The other stuff, that you cut out in your quote, was also my response. Not just the analogy. Plus the info Dino gave which was very solid information.

The analogy is correct in the sense that just because a team is playing well, doesn't mean you have to assume they're doing it illegaly as they have done or been accused of doing in the past.

[GBMelBlount]

The analogy is correct in the sense that just because a team is playing well, doesn't mean you have to assume they're doing it illegaly as they have done or been accused of doing in the past.

Right, but it is still worthy of discussion considering they have cheated in the past and averaged 40 points against 4 of the top defenses in the league, which is amazing.


So yes, the particular analogy you used was ridiculous.

[Chidi29]

Right, but it is still worthy of discussion considering they have cheated in the past and averaged 40 points against 4 of the top defenses in the league, which is amazing.


So yes, the particular analogy you used was ridiculous.

And yet they lost to the Browns. If the thought that these signals can make them destroy defenses, how can they lose to the lowly Browns?

To me, you guys aren't just talking. Maybe some were before when it was whispered around. This sounds like accusing.

[GBMelBlount]

And yet they lost to the Browns. If the thought that these signals can make them destroy defenses, how can they lose to the lowly Browns?

To me, you guys aren't just talking. Maybe some were before when it was whispered around. This sounds like accusing.

This is a great point Chidi.

Of course, they probably didn't cheat against the Browns because they didn't think they needed to.

See how bad they suck when they don't cheat?

I say this ENTIRELY in jest, of course.

[Wallace108]

I missed this when it was reported back in late November. Since the story didn't have legs, there probably wasn't anything to it. So I'm not posting it as evidence that the Pats are still cheating. I'm posting it as evidence that it just isn't us Steelers fans who are a little suspicious of them.

According to a recent report by Sports Illustrated's Peter King, the Indianapolis Colts feel they are not quite alone in the visitor's locker room at Foxboro. King says he has "reliably" heard that quarterback Peyton Manning and offensive coordinator Clyde Christensen always step into the concourse hallways to discuss strategy for fear they will be overheard in the locker room.

The hint that the Patriots may be monitoring the visitor's locker room has yet to spark any real controversy in the league, and will hopefully be written off as mere suspicion by the Colts.

http://www.nesn.com/2010/11/peter-ki...e-stadium.html

[Chidi29]

And again, reports that don't have any evidence.

Bugging locker rooms go much farther back than spygate, for the record.

[Wallace108]

And again, reports that don't have any evidence.

Again, I didn't post that as evidence that they're cheating ... just that Steelers fans aren't the only ones who are a little suspicious of the Patriots.

Bugging locker rooms go much farther back than spygate, for the record.

Maybe, but it's funny that they mentioned the Patriots.

[Chidi29]

Again, I didn't post that as evidence that they're cheating ... just that Steelers fans aren't the only ones who are a little suspicious of the Patriots.


Maybe, but it's funny that they mentioned the Patriots.

I understand your first point but again, bein suspicious but not having evidence makes a claim hard to believe.