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    Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

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    Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal
    By John Harris, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Tuesday, June 8, 2010


    Since the close of the 2009 season, I've deliberated over when — and why — Steelers coach Mike Tomlin will sign a eagerly anticipated contract extension. Or, if he deserves one.

    As we enter the second week in June, with offseason workouts concluding Thursday and Tomlin entering the final year of his contract, my thoughts are clear.

    I don't believe the Steelers' brass is completely sold on Tomlin.

    Several factors nudged me toward that opinion.

    When Tomlin won Super Bowl XLIII in his second season, becoming the youngest coach in NFL history to do so, his star was never higher. Yet, the Steelers didn't pull the trigger on a new deal.

    Maybe Tomlin's asking price is too high. Or, maybe the Steelers want more time to determine if Tomlin is another George Seifert or Barry Switzer — coaches who won a Super Bowl with someone else's players.

    Does Tomlin deserve a contract extension? Of course he does.

    But contract extensions should be a joyous occasion for both sides. The lack of urgency toward a new deal for Tomlin has become quite painful.

    What strikes a nerve for me about the lack of a new deal for Tomlin is the team's track record for taking care of its coaches who win.

    Tomlin's three-year coaching record is 31-17 with two playoff appearances. He's 3-1 in the postseason.

    Consider that Steelers management never failed to re-sign Bill Cowher with fewer than two years on his contract until the last moment.

    In 2006, the sides failed to agree on a new deal. When Cowher resigned following the 2006 season, he had one year left on his contract.

    In January, team president Art Rooney II told the Tribune-Review, "I think Mike's going to be our coach for a long time. That's certainly what we're shooting for, and that's his intention, so we'll deal with it at the appropriate time."

    The "appropriate time" might have been a few months ago, but a lot has happened since January. Not the least of which is that quarterback Ben Roethlisberger will open the season apart from his teammates after violating the league's personal conduct policy.

    Other significant changes have also taken place.

    Rooney promised the Steelers will concentrate more on the run despite a record- setting passing output in 2009 — not at all what Tomlin and offensive coordinator Bruce Arians envisioned following last year's high-octane attack.

    For another, the Steelers re-signed two players from other teams who lost their starting jobs under Tomlin — linebacker Larry Foote and cornerback Bryant McFadden.

    Rarely does a coach, particularly a Steelers coach, bring back players he determined were no longer starters after letting them go — not to mention signing both players to contract extensions upon their return.

    What's telling for me is a slight shift in philosophy — on offense and defense — away from Tomlin's point of view.

    For instance, while Tomlin spoke repeatedly about his secondary needing to create more splash plays — for example, interceptions — during the team's five-game losing streak last season, defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau told me recently, "I don't really use interceptions as an evaluating criteria. I think they're nice, they're good — you want them. (But) the No. 1 thing is the other guy doesn't catch the ball."

    Of course, the Steelers could sign Tomlin to a new deal before the end of the week. Management may want to have Tomlin's contract situation settled before the start of training camp July 30 so as to not create another distraction along with the media circus that's sure to shadow Roethlisberger around Latrobe.

    After all, the last thing management wants to do is give players the impression that Tomlin, even though the team holds an option on his contract for the 2011 season, isn't going to be their coach for a long time — unless he's not their long-term choice.

    The same holds true for some of the assistants hired when Tomlin took over in 2007. That includes Arians, who was the target of offseason media reports that Tomlin considered letting him go — a charge Tomlin denies.

    Put another way: If the Steelers don't sign Tomlin to a new deal before the start of the season, it's a vote of no-confidence for a coach who made history in his second season.

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    I feel like he is worth a new contract. I believe that he can and will be a good coach in the NFL.

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    He deserves a new contract. Players like him and hes a proven winner , so far .

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    I still wonder how much of a factor the pending CBA expiration has to do with this? Unlike players coaches contracts are guaranteed during a work stoppage. This could simply be a matter of the Steelers looking for someone else in the league to set the precedent for some sort of two way contract wherin the coach gets paid but less than his contract demands in the case of a lockout? Or maybe they'll be the trailblazers in that regard? But in my opinion that's the probable source of the delay. They just don't want to be on the hook for 5-6 million dollars if no football gets played in 2011.
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    I certainly hope he gets extended. I like having him as our coach. This year will tell alot though.

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    Anyone who thinks he doesn't deserve a contract is nuts. He won a Super Bowl his second season! He led this team to the playoffs the season before may I add and has proven he knows how to win games. I hope this comes sooner rather than later.
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    I hope a deal gets done as I hope Tomlin is the Steeler coach for along time.

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    I hope The Rooneys wait. I am not at all convinced . My observations are as follows: His critical side line calls are terrible , the team's second half performances are way below par suggesting he is getting outcoached at the point of "half time adjustments". His cliche based communications style is projecting no substance of real thought , I am still waiting for the Wrath of Hell, and when you go public and staate you are going to bench players back it up with action or run the risk of being considered a bullshiter (constent with cliches) his side line demeanor is at best a managment style I do not like and at worst he is lost, in short he does not seem involved in the game , Art Rooney going public with his stated goal "return to the run" is unusal for a Rooney to go on the record, his support for Bruce Arians is in my mind indicative of a guy that does not understand Steeler offensive football. Perhaps the players like him. They may like him for the wrong reasons.

    I am not righteous in my opinion I want to be wrong because I want very much for Tomlin to succeed because the Steelers will benefit and that is what I am most focused on. The players are under pressure to perform so be it for Mike Tomlin. I am not interested in how Cowher and Noll were handled by the Rooney's. They proved themselves and Tomlin still has a chance to prove himself but I want to wait and see if he's got IT .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    I hope The Rooneys wait. I am not at all convinced . My observations are as follows: His critical side line calls are terrible , the team's second half performances are way below par suggesting he is getting outcoached at the point of "half time adjustments". His cliche based communications style is projecting no substance of real thought , I am still waiting for the Wrath of Hell, and when you go public and staate you are going to bench players back it up with action or run the risk of being considered a bullshiter (constent with cliches) his side line demeanor is at best a managment style I do not like and at worst he is lost, in short he does not seem involved in the game , Art Rooney going public with his stated goal "return to the run" is unusal for a Rooney to go on the record, his support for Bruce Arians is in my mind indicative of a guy that does not understand Steeler offensive football. Perhaps the players like him. They may like him for the wrong reasons.

    I am not righteous in my opinion I want to be wrong because I want very much for Tomlin to succeed because the Steelers will benefit and that is what I am most focused on. The players are under pressure to perform so be it for Mike Tomlin. I am not interested in how Cowher and Noll were handled by the Rooney's. They proved themselves and Tomlin still has a chance to prove himself but I want to wait and see if he's got IT .


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    I think he's earned an extention but I do have some of the same concerns as Michael.

    I felt that the team was kind of hot and cold under Cohwer and I wanted to see a more consistent intellectual versus emotional approach to the motivation. Tomlin's speaking and thinking follows along those lines. The results haven't been in-line with the rhetoric this last year. It may take some time to be able to scout and develop players that are motivated in that way.

    I can speculate that he made some conservative moves by not benching some guys in the secondary but I of course have no idea if the replacements last year would have been an improvement.

    He might want some more say over football operations in a new contract. He may not like the city. Who knows. I'd like to see another 3 years min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelpride12 View Post
    Anyone who thinks he doesn't deserve a contract is nuts. He won a Super Bowl his second season!
    Doesn't matter to some because they claim he did it with "Cowher's players." Yet when "Cowher's players" get in hot water, that's his fault.

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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    Doesn't matter to some because they claim he did it with "Cowher's players." Yet when "Cowher's players" get in hot water, that's his fault.
    Oh well the media will find anything to throw at him at this point until a deal is done. It doesn't matter with who or how he will always be known for winning AT LEAST 1 Super Bowl with the Steelers in only his second season.
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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    So if we're giving Tomlin the boot....would you rather have Cowher back or get Gruden?

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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Cowher is definitely a better coach, especially after the rest he's had.
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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    I still wonder how much of a factor the pending CBA expiration has to do with this? Unlike players coaches contracts are guaranteed during a work stoppage. This could simply be a matter of the Steelers looking for someone else in the league to set the precedent for some sort of two way contract wherin the coach gets paid but less than his contract demands in the case of a lockout? Or maybe they'll be the trailblazers in that regard? But in my opinion that's the probable source of the delay. They just don't want to be on the hook for 5-6 million dollars if no football gets played in 2011.
    Good perspective and one I never really thought of. I think you may have hit the nail on the head after all we don't give up so quickly on coaches in Pittsburgh. I guess only time will tell.

    On a side note man I hope they get the deal done I can not even fathom another season without football.

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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    I'm a bit curious as to what the hold up may be myself. The uncertainty of the CBA is a good point.

    I've really liked what Tomlin has done here. In a way, what he did last year spoke volumes about how good of a coach he can be. Although overall, we didn't meet expectations, you don't go out on a three game winning streak, beating a couple good teams in the process, without keeping morale up and maintaining the players' trust. He did not lose this team. They still back and believe in him.

    This is one of the few times where I'll pull out the "I'll trust what the FO is doing" card. None of us know much about the details of what Tomlin is'is not doing; we just don't have access to it. There are few stats you can use; there of course isn't any game tape you can watch. What Tomlin would be evaluated on is found during Monday through Saturdays as much as it is game day.

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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer View Post
    So if we're giving Tomlin the boot....would you rather have Cowher back or get Gruden?
    Hell i'd take Gruden in a heartbeat. I LOVE his aggressive demeanor on the field.

    No way in hell we do not re-sign coach Tomlin though. C'mon, this is the Steelers we are talking about. Tomlin's our guy until he decides otherwise.
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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Chidi29 View Post
    I'm a bit curious as to what the hold up may be myself. The uncertainty of the CBA is a good point.

    I've really liked what Tomlin has done here. In a way, what he did last year spoke volumes about how good of a coach he can be. Although overall, we didn't meet expectations, you don't go out on a three game winning streak, beating a couple good teams in the process, without keeping morale up and maintaining the players' trust. He did not lose this team. They still back and believe in him.

    This is one of the few times where I'll pull out the "I'll trust what the FO is doing" card. None of us know much about the details of what Tomlin is'is not doing; we just don't have access to it. There are few stats you can use; there of course isn't any game tape you can watch. What Tomlin would be evaluated on is found during Monday through Saturdays as much as it is game day.
    Excellent post, as usual Chidi.
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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    I hope The Rooneys wait. I am not at all convinced . My observations are as follows: His critical side line calls are terrible , the team's second half performances are way below par suggesting he is getting outcoached at the point of "half time adjustments". His cliche based communications style is projecting no substance of real thought , I am still waiting for the Wrath of Hell, and when you go public and staate you are going to bench players back it up with action or run the risk of being considered a bullshiter (constent with cliches) his side line demeanor is at best a managment style I do not like and at worst he is lost, in short he does not seem involved in the game , Art Rooney going public with his stated goal "return to the run" is unusal for a Rooney to go on the record, his support for Bruce Arians is in my mind indicative of a guy that does not understand Steeler offensive football. Perhaps the players like him. They may like him for the wrong reasons.

    I am not righteous in my opinion I want to be wrong because I want very much for Tomlin to succeed because the Steelers will benefit and that is what I am most focused on. The players are under pressure to perform so be it for Mike Tomlin. I am not interested in how Cowher and Noll were handled by the Rooney's. They proved themselves and Tomlin still has a chance to prove himself but I want to wait and see if he's got IT .
    I'm inclined to agree with you here Michael.

    Harris pointed out the Stitzer / Siefert factor. Both inherited a dynasty.

    Siefert took a championship team to two more SBs and had them in the NFCCG in 5 of his 8 years as HC. Whether or not he was a great coach is arguable, and certainly his visit to Carolina is a blemish on an otherwise impressive resume.

    Switzer is the linear comparison to this point and the similarities are telling. He inherited a reigning champion and repeated in his second year. He made the playoffs in 96, then stunk the place up in 97 and was dispatched.

    Unlike Switzer, Tomlin didn't make the playoffs in his 3rd year. And IMHO (which I posted and banged heads back in the dark place) Tomlin handled the team very poorly last year. We heard a lot of "coach speak" and saw a deer in the headlights. We saw fixable problems go unfixed, and a champion melt down to bush league teams over a 5 game losing streak. He lost the team.

    I don't think he deserves an extension at this point. I think it is gracious and reasonable of management to offer him the opportunity to return the team to championship form in 2010. Anything less and I would pass on the option year.
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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer View Post
    So if we're giving Tomlin the boot....would you rather have Cowher back or get Gruden?
    If the choice were those two, definately William Laird Cowher. Gruden has found his calling in the booth where he's great.

    You can make exactly the same case against Gruden in Tampa as has been made against MT here. Both inherited winners, won one, then tanked.
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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    I wouldn't call what he did last year remarkable by any stretch of the word. Losing to the lowly chefs, clowns, and the raiders was pretty untollerable if you ask me.

    I agree that the reason we are not extending him is due to the uncertainty of the CBA. Tomlin is great when the team is healthy, but when things go awry he falters. Yes the players are the ones playing the game but the coach has a very integral part in the outcome of games. When the offense did not exploit the run against the clowns last year I was completely befuddled. In this case the right players were not on the field and that is the fault of both the o-coordinator and the head coach. Hell I don't even care if you pass the ball but at least give the appearance that you will run.

    Just my 2 cents for whatever it is worth

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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    No, no, no! Resign the man! Tomlin is gooood!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zulater View Post
    I still wonder how much of a factor the pending CBA expiration has to do with this? Unlike players coaches contracts are guaranteed during a work stoppage. This could simply be a matter of the Steelers looking for someone else in the league to set the precedent for some sort of two way contract wherin the coach gets paid but less than his contract demands in the case of a lockout? Or maybe they'll be the trailblazers in that regard? But in my opinion that's the probable source of the delay. They just don't want to be on the hook for 5-6 million dollars if no football gets played in 2011.
    That is certainly a thought, but it's something that every team will have to contend with regardless. It's not like they can go and gamble that there isn't going to be season and not have a coach in place. Either way you have to have a coach, you'll either be extending Tomlin or paying someone else. It's not like you can leave the spot vacant because you think there MIGHT not be a season.

    In either case, I think they should extend him although I also have concerns. As others have stated, he didn't back up any of the declarations he made to the media near the end of the year, he didn't do anything to shake up a defense that although was missing two all-pro players managed to play fine for 3 quarters in almost all their games. Why NO adjustments at all in the 4th quarter? Many of us complain about the focus of Arians offense, but Tomlin is still the coach. He LET Arians keep calling passing plays in the high winds at Cleveland against a weak running offense while his QB was getting sacked every 4th pass attempt. I like Tomlin, I think he DOES have IT, but at this point I'm not sure that any of us can really put a finger on what his team is all about philosophically. He has described a type of football that he expects the Steelers to play, but they didn't reflect that description at all last season. I'm hopeful that this year will be different and we will get better idea of what Tomlin envisions his team to be. For good or bad we NEVER had to guess what Cowher's team or philosophy was all about.

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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by pepsyman1 View Post
    That is certainly a thought, but it's something that every team will have to contend with regardless. It's not like they can go and gamble that there isn't going to be season and not have a coach in place. Either way you have to have a coach, you'll either be extending Tomlin or paying someone else. It's not like you can leave the spot vacant because you think there MIGHT not be a season.

    In either case, I think they should extend him although I also have concerns. As others have stated, he didn't back up any of the declarations he made to the media near the end of the year, he didn't do anything to shake up a defense that although was missing two all-pro players managed to play fine for 3 quarters in almost all their games. Why NO adjustments at all in the 4th quarter? Many of us complain about the focus of Arians offense, but Tomlin is still the coach. He LET Arians keep calling passing plays in the high winds at Cleveland against a weak running offense while his QB was getting sacked every 4th pass attempt. I like Tomlin, I think he DOES have IT, but at this point I'm not sure that any of us can really put a finger on what his team is all about philosophically. He has described a type of football that he expects the Steelers to play, but they didn't reflect that description at all last season. I'm hopeful that this year will be different and we will get better idea of what Tomlin envisions his team to be. For good or bad we NEVER had to guess what Cowher's team or philosophy was all about.
    This is why it isn't getting done, and why they haven't resigned him. He hasn't proven his worth. They have him locked up for two more seasons. Let him prove himself one way or the other this year.
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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    I guess we differ on what value coach Tomlin brings to the Steelers?

    I think season's like last season happens to the best of 'em. Tomlin has alot of good traits as HC and i don't think the team is doubting that a bit.

    If you're going to use that losing streak last year as an excuse then you may as well include the injuries to Troy and Aaron IMO. Losing 2 players of that calibur damn sure is hard to overcome. And i'm not excusing LeBeau or the fact that we let B-Mac get away either. But the team did win their last 3 and could have easily folded late but they kept on fighting and coach Tomlin made some gutsy decisions in the process.

    Like that onside kick against the Packers, for instance. Even if we lose that game i applaud his bold decision to try to win a game the defense was intent on losing.

    Tomlin is the classic example of a coach coaching to win rather than coaching not to lose IMO. And while both kinds of coaches can get good results, i believe Tomlin's style lends to us having more success in the big games. And surely we won't win 'em all. But our team does not let the big games overwhelm them and that is due in large part to coach Tomlin's style of coaching IMO.
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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Two words. Barry Switzer. Until he proves otherwise.
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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    I don't think he deserves an extension at this point. I think it is gracious and reasonable of management to offer him the opportunity to return the team to championship form in 2010. Anything less and I would pass on the option year.
    IOW, it's Lombardi #7 or a pink slip, huh?

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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by steelpride12 View Post
    Anyone who thinks he doesn't deserve a contract is nuts. He won a Super Bowl his second season! He led this team to the playoffs the season before may I add and has proven he knows how to win games. I hope this comes sooner rather than later.
    Exactly. I think the Tomlinator has more than proven that he has what it takes to be a winner and the fact that his players support him 100% speaks volumes on what a positive impact he has on them.

    Get him signed long-term Art!






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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    IOW, it's Lombardi #7 or a pink slip, huh?
    If the team gels and plays for him and they win 11 and "show up" in the playoffs, I think he's probably OK. That's championship form. Anything can happen in the second season. 10 wins - on the bubble. 9 - toast.

    That is my read of management. And I agree with them. If they extend him before camp , then I have read them wrong. We'll see.
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    Re: Harris: Tomlin contract not a done deal

    Quote Originally Posted by HometownGal View Post
    Exactly. I think the Tomlinator has more than proven that he has what it takes to be a winner and the fact that his players support him 100% speaks volumes on what a positive impact he has on them.

    Get him signed long-term Art!
    I can't believe anyone would say he doesn't deserve an extension of any sort. So what he had a bad season. So did Cowher and so did so many other coaches in the league. He leads them to the playoffs, and then wins a championship his second, that may be repetitive, but a point you can't argue.
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