Steelers vs. Bungles - 12/12/10 - Who Gets YOUR Game Balls?

[fansince'76]

As you said, our red zone offense has been typical the past several years. It doesn't matter whether we have a healthy O-line or a depleted one like we do now. The results are the same. Field goals. The Achilles heel is BA.

The OL has been crap since about 2006 as well. Healthy or depleted, they're mediocre on their best day. When you get held to a FG over and over because your OL can't get enough push against even shitty run defenses to score from the 1-yard line, you got deeper problems than the OC.

[Wallace108]

The OL has been crap since about 2006 as well. Healthy or depleted, they're mediocre on their best day. When you get held to a FG over and over because your OL can't get enough push against even shitty run defenses to score from the 1-yard line, you got deeper problems than the OC.

I agree, FS. Our O-line pretty much sucks even when it's healthy. But a good coach can take what he has and make it work. Look at what Belichick has done with New England's young and inexperienced defense this year. Several weeks ago, BA said he didn't feel the need to change his strategies based on injuries. This is insane. That's like saying it doesn't matter if you have Vick or Manning at QB ... you're going to run the same offense. No, you have to game plan and call your plays based on the talent of your players. BA's biggest weakness has always been situational play calling. And that weakness really gets exposed in the red zone.

[BuddhaBus]

On that note, the new punter Kapinos did a pretty good job too.

I don't know.... why didn't we just sign Mitch Berger back?







P.S.- Please do not shoot me!

[st33lersguy]

Troy Polamalu, and Ben for being a warrior

[steelpride12]

I said IF...IF...they didn't get their heads out of their asses, they would lose the game. The defense did, and as such they won the game. There's a difference between "if" and "definite."

Guess that means she meant me too even though I was angry early, but was 100% supportive the rest of the game, oh well. Gotta give my game ball to Troy, 2 INT's one to tie the game up for a pick 6 and another to practically finish off the game, this guy even was injured after the first pick and kept playing!

[fansince'76]

I agree, FS. Our O-line pretty much sucks even when it's healthy. But a good coach can take what he has and make it work. Look at what Belichick has done with New England's young and inexperienced defense this year. Several weeks ago, BA said he didn't feel the need to change his strategies based on injuries. This is insane. That's like saying it doesn't matter if you have Vick or Manning at QB ... you're going to run the same offense. No, you have to game plan and call your plays based on the talent of your players. BA's biggest weakness has always been situational play calling. And that weakness really gets exposed in the red zone.

Score on offense on pretty much every possession, taking the pressure off that young defense? On that note I would give my left nut for an OL that is HALF as good as the Pats'. However, I get what you're saying - I don't agree with a number of plays Arians calls, but I also think there is really only so many adjustments you can make when you have an OL that has Ben running for his life half the time when it's only facing a 3-man rush, never mind a 4-or-5-man rush or a blitz.

[SteelerFanInStl]

We need to stop waiting until the 5th round and later to pick up OL. Pouncey was a good start.

I agree 100%. None of our recent OL picks have worked out, except Pouncey. We gotta go OL early again in 2011.

[Wallace108]

Score on offense on pretty much every possession, taking the pressure off that young defense? On that note I would give my left nut for an OL that is HALF as good as the Pats'. However, I get what you're saying - I don't agree with a number of plays Arians calls, but I also think there is really only so many adjustments you can make when you have an OL that has Ben running for his life half the time when it's only facing a 3-man rush, never mind a 4-or-5-man rush or a blitz.

I don't think you and I are too far away in our thinking. And the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

[fansince'76]

I don't think you and I are too far away in our thinking. And the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Agreed. The OL actually does block well every now and then, but is inconsistent. On the other hand, Arians calls some good plays, but others leave me scratching my head. It's maddening how little we score considering all the talent we have at the skill positions.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Score on offense on pretty much every possession, taking the pressure off that young defense? On that note I would give my left nut for an OL that is HALF as good as the Pats'. However, I get what you're saying - I don't agree with a number of plays Arians calls, but I also think there is really only so many adjustments you can make when you have an OL that has Ben running for his life half the time when it's only facing a 3-man rush, never mind a 4-or-5-man rush or a blitz.

Pats defense sure as hell hasnt needed any pressure taken off of them the past 2 games.

[fansince'76]

Pats defense sure as hell hasnt needed any pressure taken off of them the past 2 games.

Sanchez and Cutler suck.

[HometownGal]

The Achilles heel is BA.

The Achilles heel is our OL. Other than Pouncey and the Hotel, they STINK.

You were bitching and moaning for more running this season and BA provided that and you're still B & M'ing Wally. The man did as you (and Art II) asked and it just isn't good enough. Hate is an ugly thing, buddy, and quite unhealthy.

[salamander]

How can anyone honestly say that our offensive woes are solely BA's fault? I forgot that BA was out there letting the opposing D get to Ben untouched or letting the D stuff our running game. It's strictly BA's fault. How could I forget that?

[Wallace108]

The Achilles heel is our OL. Other than Pouncey and the Hotel, they STINK.

You were bitching and moaning for more running this season and BA provided that and you're still B & M'ing Wally. The man did as you (and Art II) asked and it just isn't good enough. Hate is an ugly thing, buddy, and quite unhealthy.

WHOA!! Slow your roll there, HTG. Unlike some people, I can admit when I'm wrong or off track. This from another thread tonight:

Last season, I was one of the guys screaming that we need to get back to Steelers football (running). But at this point, I'd like to see us go no-huddle more often and even use more 4-receiver sets. We've got the best collection of receivers we've had since Thigpen, Hastings, Mills, et al. Let's use them.

It's not about running MORE. It's about knowing WHEN to run. And knowing WHEN to throw. And knowing when to call which play in which situation. It's about knowing how to get the most out of the talent you have. BA fails miserably in all of this. Did you notice how the Cowboys totally sucked when Wade was the coach, but yet the same team looks much better with Garrett at the helm? Why is that? It's the same players .... the only difference is the coach.

[HometownGal]

WHOA!! Slow your roll there, HTG. Unlike some people, I can admit when I'm wrong or off track. This from another thread tonight:



It's not about running MORE. It's about knowing WHEN to run. And knowing WHEN to throw. And knowing when to call which play in which situation. It's about knowing how to get the most out of the talent you have. BA fails miserably in all of this. Did you notice how the Cowboys totally sucked when Wade was the coach, but yet the same team looks much better with Garrett at the helm? Why is that? It's the same players .... the only difference is the coach.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. We're simply going to have to agree to disagree on BA and leave it at that, as I am not going to have any more of a hand in hijacking this thread into a bash BA thread.

[Wallace108]

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. We're simply going to have to agree to disagree on BA and leave it at that, as I am not going to have any more of a hand in hijacking this thread into a bash BA thread.

No, not so fast. You tried calling me out as a hypocrite, which I don't appreciate. And I offered evidence that I wasn't. What's wrong with hijacking a thread that will be dead by tomorrow anyway? I don't recall "bashing" BA in this thread. I offered reasons as to why I think he's the problem with our red-zone offense. Not just this year, but every year since he's been OC. How is that "bashing"? I consider it debate.

[Texasteel]

I may be late to this party, but this was a very well called game. Most if not all the drives were stopped by a mistake or poor play, not the call. The runs helped to set up the passing game as it should. The first drive was stopped when Ben badly missed a WR that BA got wide open, and then the OL fouled up the next play. The OL spent the rest of the game with one good play and two or three poor ones. Even our hot shot rookie completely ignored a blitz to knock us our of FG range, BA did do that. I can understand that some just don't like BA but I think we need to keep this real.

[Psycho Ward 86]

How can anyone honestly say that our offensive woes are solely BA's fault? I forgot that BA was out there letting the opposing D get to Ben untouched or letting the D stuff our running game. It's strictly BA's fault. How could I forget that?

It's not all of his fault, he's just a big part of the problem. As long as we suck on 3rd down and in the redzone he can suck my jones

[HometownGal]

It's not all of his fault, he's just a big part of the problem. As long as we suck on 3rd down and in the redzone he can suck my jones

That is all.

[Texasteel]

It's not all of his fault, he's just a big part of the problem. As long as we suck on 3rd down and in the redzone he can suck my jones

Again, I thought most of the failure tonight was do to poor play, or mistakes. I think you meant to say johnson, jones is the dick we have in dallas

[Wallace108]

I may be late to this party, but this was a very well called game. Most if not all the drives were stopped by a mistake or poor play, not the call. The runs helped to set up the passing game as it should. The first drive was stopped when Ben badly missed a WR that BA got wide open, and then the OL fouled up the next play. The OL spent the rest of the game with one good play and two or three poor ones. Even our hot shot rookie completely ignored a blitz to knock us our of FG range, BA did do that. I can understand that some just don't like BA but I think we need to keep this real.

The Patriots put up 38 points against the hapless Bengals. The Saints put up 34. The Falcons put up 39. The BILLS put up 49. You mean to tell me we can't score ONE offensive touchdown? I can understand a missed block, a bad call, a bad play, a bad series ... but ZERO touchdowns against the worst team in the league? Are you kidding me? If this was one game, I wouldn't say a word. But this is a pattern with BA. And you can blame the O-line all you want, because in BA's own words, he will NOT alter what he does because of injuries. That's just stupidity ... that's just BA.

It's not all of his fault, he's just a big part of the problem. As long as we suck on 3rd down and in the redzone he can suck my jones

Amen.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Again, I thought most of the failure tonight was do to poor play, or mistakes. I think you meant to say johnson, jones is the dick we have in dallas

Naw i said that right lol, it's just my lingo haha.

The Patriots put up 38 points against the hapless Bengals. The Saints put up 34. The Falcons put up 39. The BILLS put up 49. You mean to tell me we can't score ONE offensive touchdown? I can understand a missed block, a bad call, a bad play, a bad series ... but ZERO touchdowns against the worst team in the league? Are you kidding me? If this was one game, I wouldn't say a word. But this is a pattern with BA. And you can blame the O-line all you want, because in BA's own words, he will NOT alter what he does because of injuries. That's just stupidity ... that's just BA.

Music to my ears.

[Wallace108]

It's a good thing we won ... or else we'd have some REAL bickering.

[Texasteel]

The Patriots put up 38 points against the hapless Bengals. The Saints put up 34. The Falcons put up 39. The BILLS put up 49. You mean to tell me we can't score ONE offensive touchdown? I can understand a missed block, a bad call, a bad play, a bad series ... but ZERO touchdowns against the worst team in the league? Are you kidding me? If this was one game, I wouldn't say a word. But this is a pattern with BA. And you can blame the O-line all you want, because in BA's own words, he will NOT alter what he does because of injuries. That's just stupidity ... that's just BA.


Amen.

I'm telling you that when I see a QB completely miss a wide open WR, or a pass tipped at the line that is on its way to a wide open receiver, or a line that can not even slow down a blitz's, or 3 back to back holding calls, I am not going to start screaming about the OCs play calling. We had a couple drives that ate up a lot of time, but was stopped a poor play. To place all the blame at BAs feet is not right, or fair.

[Wallace108]

I'm telling you that when I see a QB completely miss a wide open WR, or a pass tipped at the line that is on its way to a wide open receiver, or a line that can not even slow down a blitz's, or 3 back to back holding calls, I am not going to start screaming about the OCs play calling. We had a couple drives that ate up a lot of time, but was stopped a poor play. To place all the blame at BAs feet is not right, or fair.

Ben's pass that was tipped at the LOS was a bad throw. It looked to me like it slipped out of his hand. That's on him ... it should have been a TD. But that's one play. See, I can criticize the players, now let me hear you criticize BA.

[steelerdude15]

Four game balls. One to Troy for coming up big and and having a pic six and another interception to seal the deal, Lamarr for his pic six, Shaun for once again coming through with all the field goals, and Ben for sticking in there even after taking all the late hits and being hurt.

[Galax Steeler]

I have to give the game ball to Troy and Ben what a game they played.

[stlrtruck]

Ben's pass that was tipped at the LOS was a bad throw. It looked to me like it slipped out of his hand. That's on him ... it should have been a TD. But that's one play. See, I can criticize the players, now let me hear you criticize BA.

BA sucks...there you happy now Wally?





you can't say I didn't play along!



P.S - I'd like to see a different coordinator. With all these offensive weapons, even with a depleted line, we should have more production.

[venom]

On a side note , I like it when Gay comes in on a blitz more than when he covers someone , lol

[Texasteel]

Ben's pass that was tipped at the LOS was a bad throw. It looked to me like it slipped out of his hand. That's on him ... it should have been a TD. But that's one play. See, I can criticize the players, now let me hear you criticize BA.

I will answer this one more time and then will not hy-jack this thread further. You and I would not like our thread hy-jacked.

One play? I think you need to sharpen your penile and take a long look at the game.

BA IMO sometimes put to much faith in sub par players. I think that he can ask them to do something they may not be able to do. ( This is also a trait I have seen in LaBeau. ) Remember there are two people involved with the play calling. I myself believe that if Ben really didn't want to run a play he would not and the staff would not say a thing to him.

I do not think BA is Gods gift to the offense. I don't think an one does. I have said before that if he looses his job, so be it. How ever he has not so far, and until he does I am thinking that Mike must be happy, over all, with the job he is doing. I will not try to explain away any problems we may have on offense by crucifying the OC. Like I have said before, this is a God awful OL, BA did not draft or sign them.

I still think that the game last night was petty well called, both on offense, and defense.