Any Pro Wrestling Fans Out There?

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TNA:
They now have ACES & 8's running the show. Hogan and Sting cutting promos on each other (which I think is a setup anyway). The tag team championships have some legitimacy, and the woman's division I believe is definitely better than what the WWE has. Unfortunately, TNA hasn't figured out how to use their full roster to their advantage. With younger people like Bischoff, Magnus, and Morgan, they are still pushing the older wrestlers. It'll be interesting to see what twists and turns they take in the next few months with ACES & 8's to bolster their ratings and get a bigger hold in the wrestling status.

WWE:
The Shield is just over played and it appears that TNA beat them to the punch with Aces & 8's. I can't stand their tag team champions the way they bicker back and forth. I'm not sold on their Diva's and they don't play them in to the normal scheme of shows. With the Rock now holding the title, I assume they will be pushing Cena. I'm a little bit disappointed in how they've used Ryback. I think maybe they pushed him too fast, but they've still got someone for the crowd to get behind. I'm not sure why the Undertaker only makes an annual return for Wrestlemania. I think they're trying to get him to 25-0, or they're going to give CM Punk a big push by beating him...not sure.

[Wallace108]

TNA:
They now have ACES & 8's running the show. Hogan and Sting cutting promos on each other (which I think is a setup anyway). The tag team championships have some legitimacy, and the woman's division I believe is definitely better than what the WWE has. Unfortunately, TNA hasn't figured out how to use their full roster to their advantage. With younger people like Bischoff, Magnus, and Morgan, they are still pushing the older wrestlers. It'll be interesting to see what twists and turns they take in the next few months with ACES & 8's to bolster their ratings and get a bigger hold in the wrestling status.

Ever since the Bully reveal, TNA has been great. The storylines are far from original and there's not enough actual wrestling, but the product as a whole is much better than the WWE product. I agree that the tag team division is getting good again. They need a couple more legitimate teams though ... they should throw Bischoff and Brisco into the mix. I don't disagree with what you're saying in regard to how they use their roster, but they're at a slight disadvantage. Unlike WWE, they have only 2 hours of weekly TV. It's hard to get it all in. Perhaps they should cut down on the promos and reduce the replays. I like the replays at the beginning of the show to refresh our memories on events from the previous week, but we don't need constant replays throughout the show of things we saw just 20 minutes earlier.

WWE:
The Shield is just over played and it appears that TNA beat them to the punch with Aces & 8's. I can't stand their tag team champions the way they bicker back and forth. I'm not sold on their Diva's and they don't play them in to the normal scheme of shows. With the Rock now holding the title, I assume they will be pushing Cena. I'm a little bit disappointed in how they've used Ryback. I think maybe they pushed him too fast, but they've still got someone for the crowd to get behind. I'm not sure why the Undertaker only makes an annual return for Wrestlemania. I think they're trying to get him to 25-0, or they're going to give CM Punk a big push by beating him...not sure.

I can't think of anything WWE is doing right. Take a look at the three biggest Wrestlemania matches ... Cena vs. Rock, Punk vs. Taker, HHH vs. Lesnar. Of those 6 wrestlers, only 2 of them have wrestled in the past month. Three of them haven't been in an actual match this year. The guys who are busting their asses week in and week out should get the spotlight, not part-time wrestlers. And here's an idea ... since it's Taker vs. Punk at Wrestlemania, they should have kept the belt on Punk for two more months, and it would have been a Streak vs. Streak match. That would have been more intriguing. I could talk all day about what WWE is doing wrong. Instead, here's a list of what they're doing right:

[Wallace108]

WWF Attitude era guy to. A golden age. WCW was good in its matches, just never got to into their characters and storylines. Shit I remember during the Attitude Era the cards were so well planned that even Sunday Night Heat was fun to watch with the lower level stars. I miss the shattering glass, the electrifying moves of the rock. Guys who cared and sold a damn good show that got you exhausted just from watching it. Ill never forget watching the match where The Rock Beats Triple H . The crowd was insane.

Now, its unwatchable. I sure hope McMahon decides to grow up his audience and institure more attitude. That remains to be seen.

WWE has been crap ever since it went back to being PG. I loved the Attitude era and fondly remember the Monday Night Wars. I can't get into characters and storylines that are geared more toward kids. Right now, TNA is putting out a slightly more edgy product than WWE. It's certainly not like ECW or even WWE during the Attitude era, but it's very close to what WCW was doing in the mid to late 90s during the Monday Night Wars.

[tube517]

WWE bores me. I like the Rock but him as champion was a mistake. Rock vs Cena 2 equals a double yawn.

Aces and Eights or the Shield is just DX/NWO/Horsemen (80s) all over again.

Rumor is Orton turns heel at Wrestlemania.

I forget to watch TNA so I'm behind on all the storylines except for bits of aces and eights. Hogan needs to just go away. Same w/his shemale daughter.

[Wallace108]

Aces and Eights or the Shield is just DX/NWO/Horsemen (80s) all over again.

True. But to be fair, any faction that comes along now is going to be compared to the ones you mentioned.
Unlike most other TV shows, wrestling is on 52 weeks a year. It's not easy to always come up with new and fresh storylines and characters. Most of the time, they're just putting a new spin on things that have already been done. For a while, it was looking like Aces and Eights was a total ripoff of the NWO, and although it technically is, it's different enough to be interesting, especially now with Bully as the leader. And it appears that they've got A.J. Styles playing the role of Crow Sting. Once again, it's a ripoff (if that's what they're doing), but the angle is different enough to be interesting. Besides, it's been almost 20 years since the NWO angle (wow, that's hard to believe), so this kind of storyline is actually fresh to a new generation of fans.

Tube, try to watch TNA. If you liked WCW during the mid to late 90s, it might appeal to you more than WWE. I used to be a die-hard rasslin' fan, but I stopped watching in 2004 and stayed away until late last year. It doesn't take long to get caught up on the storylines, especially when you've seen them before.

[tube517]

True. But to be fair, any faction that comes along now is going to be compared to the ones you mentioned.
Unlike most other TV shows, wrestling is on 52 weeks a year. It's not easy to always come up with new and fresh storylines and characters. Most of the time, they're just putting a new spin on things that have already been done. For a while, it was looking like Aces and Eights was a total ripoff of the NWO, and although it technically is, it's different enough to be interesting, especially now with Bully as the leader. And it appears that they've got A.J. Styles playing the role of Crow Sting. Once again, it's a ripoff (if that's what they're doing), but the angle is different enough to be interesting. Besides, it's been almost 20 years since the NWO angle (wow, that's hard to believe), so this kind of storyline is actually fresh to a new generation of fans.

Tube, try to watch TNA. If you liked WCW during the mid to late 90s, it might appeal to you more than WWE. I used to be a die-hard rasslin' fan, but I stopped watching in 2004 and stayed away until late last year. It doesn't take long to get caught up on the storylines, especially when you've seen them before.

I think NWO started out great but they just beat it into the ground so I got sick of it and of any factions. NWO and the whole takover thing was after the Horsemen but so different. They jumped the shark by splitting it into Wolfpack vs Black and White. DX was great because of the music, attitude, and the tank coming into my hometown, Norfolk Scope. Great stuff.

TNA seems to be better. I just get tired of seeing Hogan limping around. TNA has better pure wrestling and I try to watch when I remember. It's on during my day off, Thursday, and I am not always home and forget to set the DVR. I've been tryin to watch when I can.

[stlrtruck]

I agree with WWE putting the part-timers in Wrestlemania, but the truth is that they haven't really pushed anyone out there to carry the main card. I like Ryback - Cena - Punk - Orton - Shield - and a few others, but really to constantly pass over younger talent to put HHH and Undertaker as co-main events just sucks.

As for TNA, I do like the Aces & 8's background right now. It's going to be interesting to see how they maintain it. TNA has a better foundation of wrestlers, they just aren't using them right. I can't wait for them to get their act together. Someone told me they were going to do two shows a night now, and this guy actually knows many of the wrestlers on both rosters.

But Tube I agree, I'm tired of seeing Hogan limping around. He needs to be like a GM and stay out of the way, out of the ring, and start promoting his roster better.

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I'm going to try to get tickets on Stubhub for the event. Maybe if I wait until 300pm , I can get a good price from someone who has to get rid of his tickets

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[The WH]

Holy shit that is a big set.

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To say how dead this thread is... one page contains the summer of punk, wm 28, and wm 29. Christ.

[stlrtruck]

Heading out with some friends tonight to watch Wrestlemania. Going to be interesting.

[Wallace108]

Someone told me they were going to do two shows a night now

Yeah, that's what they've been doing. I understand why they're doing it, but I don't like it. For the first two cities, the second show has been noticeably worse than the first. TNA has been solid ever since the Bully reveal, but last Thursday's show was horrible. The Ryan/Knockouts bit could have been hilarious. Instead, it never really went anywhere and dragged on forever. It was more uncomfortable than funny. Even the Arias/Roode segment (which I always enjoy) was a yawn fest. I'd love to know why certain decisions are made. For example, why is Joseph Park getting a bigger push than Matt Morgan? Why not have Sting (rather than Hogan) talk to A.J. Styles? Hogan and Sting have already made several NWO references ... that would have been a great opportunity for Sting to "relate" to Styles. "Dude, I understand what you're going through ... I've been there myself." ... It just seems like there are so many things they could take advantage of but simply don't for whatever reason.TNA has taken some positive steps, but then they seem to take a step backward. Still, it's better than WWE right now.

[tube517]

What a shit PPV. I'm glad I didn't pay for that crap.

[Wallace108]

What a shit PPV. I'm glad I didn't pay for that crap.

I didn't watch it, but I was following posts on a wrestling board, and everyone was slamming it from beginning to end. WWE is almost unwatchable right now.

[stlrtruck]

Actually I thought WM29, overall, was a pretty good show. Not sure why Fandango and Jericho was in the middle of the title matches, and felt it should have been the first match of the night since there wasn't a title on the line. The earlier matches were a little boring, but definitely not as bad as they could have been. The 6-man tag team match was the worst one of the night.

Other than that I felt the 3 main event matches, Undertaker vs. Punk - HHH vs. Lesnar - The Rock vs. Cena were good matches. And they all pretty much ended the way I picked them. I wouldn't be surprised if Undertaker does this 4 more years, goes to 25-0 and retires. There was no way HHH was going to lose that match, he brings the crowd to their feet every time. And Cena beating The Rock, was just the passing of the torch and WWE didn't have anyone else on the roster to do it. I would be surprised if The Rock stays in the WWE for any length of time other than to make cameo appearances.

[Wallace108]

And Cena beating The Rock, was just the passing of the torch and WWE didn't have anyone else on the roster to do it.

If this was a "passing of the torch," does it really make sense to pass it to Cena? He's already one of their biggest stars. He's got the torch whether Rock works with him or not. And half the fans can't stand him even though he's a face. If they were going to use The Rock to pass the torch, I think it should have been passed to someone like Ziggler. Someone who could actually benefit from being put over by The Rock.

[tube517]

If this was a "passing of the torch," does it really make sense to pass it to Cena? He's already one of their biggest stars. He's got the torch whether Rock works with him or not. And half the fans can't stand him even though he's a face. If they were going to use The Rock to pass the torch, I think it should have been passed to someone like Ziggler. Someone who could actually benefit from being put over by The Rock.

Agreed.

Cena has done his job but he brings nothing new to the table. They need somebody else to take over. I am bored with WWE.

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[The WH]

I thought it was a good show. People on the net shit on anything that isn't stone cold. It was predictable as hell. But entertaining. It was not as good as last year. But better than the year before that.

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[stlrtruck]

Agreed.

Cena has done his job but he brings nothing new to the table. They need somebody else to take over. I am bored with WWE.

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It is similar to when Hogan passed it off to The Rock. They didn't need it, but I think it was a matter of eventually having Cena pass it off to someone younger like Ziggler. Think about it, does the WWE really want Ziggler beating Rock? Doubtful, that just doesn't register. But beating Cena is more widely acceptable.

I thought it was a good show. People on the net shit on anything that isn't stone cold. It was predictable as hell. But entertaining. It was not as good as last year. But better than the year before that.

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I thought last year's show was terrible and this one was better.

[Wallace108]

I think that was the most bizarre Raw I've ever seen. In a good way. The show itself was better than it's been in a while, but the crowd was absolutely amazing. I've never seen a crowd that actually BECAME the show. Listening to their chants was more entertaining than what was happening in the ring. During the Orton-Sheamus match, the fans stopped paying attention and started entertaining themselves. It was classic.

Highlight of the night ... Ziggler cashing in to become world champ. It's about time.

[tube517]

I think that was the most bizarre Raw I've ever seen. In a good way. The show itself was better than it's been in a while, but the crowd was absolutely amazing. I've never seen a crowd that actually BECAME the show. Listening to their chants was more entertaining than what was happening in the ring. During the Orton-Sheamus match, the fans stopped paying attention and started entertaining themselves. It was classic.

Highlight of the night ... Ziggler cashing in to become world champ. It's about time.

That crowd was great
Booing Cena
Chanting Thank you Big Show
The pop when Kane and Daniel Bryan came out.
The pop when Ziggler won

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[Wallace108]

That crowd was great
Booing Cena
Chanting Thank you Big Show
The pop when Kane and Daniel Bryan came out.
The pop when Ziggler won

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There's no chance that it would ever happen, but can you imagine if Ziggler had cashed in on Cena instead of Del Rio? That crowd would have blown the roof off the building.

The only time I was disappointed in the crowd is during the "feed me more" chants. I'm already sick of Ryback, and his run hasn't even started yet. They should have lit the place up with "Goldberg" chants.

[tube517]

There's no chance that it would ever happen, but can you imagine if Ziggler had cashed in on Cena instead of Del Rio? That crowd would have blown the roof off the building.

The only time I was disappointed in the crowd is during the "feed me more" chants. I'm already sick of Ryback, and his run hasn't even started yet. They should have lit the place up with "Goldberg" chants.

Yep, that crowd would've carried the party outside the building if Ziggler beat Cena.

[stlrtruck]

I think they're trying to turn Cena heel, and I get the feeling it's coming soon. I actually thought it would happen at WM29. I think you're going to see a bigger push for Ryback in the coming months. I thought they were going to start it last year, but they stuff with CM Punk and The Shield mirked up the waters.

[Aussie_steeler]

I dont watch any matches these days.

I am grateful for youtube and the wealth of old school matches, shoot interviews and documentaries.



Classic

[The WH]

Anyone here watch botchamania?

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[KeiselPower99]

Havent really been watching wrestling recently but I am stoked for the debut of Bray Wyatt. I liked him when he was Husky Harris and think this gimmick is great for him and reminds me of the family from Rob Zombies House of 1000 corpses.

[86WARD]

Doink The Clown passed away.

[tube517]

YES! YES! YES!

[KeiselPower99]

Well we have our first gay pro wrestler Darren Young.