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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Ahhh. This one isn’t as good.
    Best pic of you I could find.

    Nobody said you look good.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Best pic of you I could find.

    Nobody said you look good.
    Yeah, I’ve definitely got a face for radio.

    But I believe in you! You can do better. Time to dig deep.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Yeah, I’ve definitely got a face for radio.

    But I believe in you! You can do better. Time to dig deep.
    Don't worry, I'll be here to snark you whenever it's needed.

    Because snarking your fellow Steelers posters is such an important thing on a message board, right?

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Sure. Just because you’re not capable of understanding things you don’t agree with or pierce your bubble of optimism -start throwing personal digs around.
    For those of you wondering why this board nowadays has so little traffic, this kind of stuff is one of the big reasons why.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    For those of you wondering why this board nowadays has so little traffic, this kind of stuff is one of the big reasons why.
    Yep.
    Hater = Realist

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Don't worry, I'll be here to snark you whenever it's needed.

    Because snarking your fellow Steelers posters is such an important thing on a message board, right?
    It is the foundation of the internet.

    I’m glad you’re willing to do your part. Everyone needs to contribute.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    I havent been around much for a couple a days and decided to catch up on some of the forum posts today ....

    I must say I no longer wonder whats happened to this place , its pretty clear ...

    Yes I too have been a part of it in the past but as the bible tells us its easier to see the speck in your brothers eye when the plank is no longer in your own eye ...

    this place is so damn toxic as of late .... everyone needs to take a deep breath and exhale slowly before there isnt anyone left to talk to here

    - Dwins out for now as I have seen all I care to for one day
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    My hope is when this team wins its next playoff game (or two) there should be less fighting amongst ourselves and traffic picks back up.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    It’s only toxic if any of us take anything said here seriously.

    Since this place is basically not real; why would we?

    Personally, I do my best to laugh at all of it. None of this is worth being serious about.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Just because you’re not capable of understanding things you don’t agree with or pierce your bubble of optimism -start throwing personal digs around.
    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    For those of you wondering why this board nowadays has so little traffic, this kind of stuff is one of the big reasons why.
    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    I feel like there is a higher than normal level of hostility among some of the posters on here and it's bleeding into every conversation. More than just your regular helping of ball busting and snark.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I was just trying to get it out there.

    If people want or need it, I’m happy to offer it.
    Dude appoints himself as the guy who is more than happy to snark other posters who he deems "to want or need it".

    And we wonder why people choose to no longer want to post here.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Exactly.





    Dude appoints himself as the guy who is more than happy to snark other posters who he deems "to want or need it".

    And we wonder why people choose to no longer want to post here.
    Hah!

    Isn’t the quoted bit part of an apology from like, what, 6 months I ago; I think?

    Check out the threads where I defended Mike Wallace or talked myself into Trey Lance as a draft prospect. I’ve got a long and embarrassing string of comments out there. Have a blast!

    If we can’t laugh at ourselves, who can we laugh at?

    Personally, I recommend gunpowder and cocaine. Really helps take the edge off of life. Picked up when I was a child soldier. Now, I prefer to wear vintage lingerie while imbibing - but that’s an individual choice!

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    I agree.

    Anything I say about him is strictly from an evaluation standpoint. The value is through the roof to get a QB like him that late in the draft.

    I can't find a negative thing to say about drafting a guy with his pedigree of winning in the 6th round. Only good can come of this. If he doesn't work out? He'll just be another 6th round pick that usually doesn't end up staying with the team and being a significant contributor or star player.
    I hear ya. Landry Jones was a 4th round pick and at the time the all time leading passer in yardage I recall, from Oklahoma. Seemed like good value for a QB with good size, production, etc. Now we all know that he only turned out to be a backup and had some productive games, but it was worth the shot of a 4th round pick.

    Howard with a 6th round reminds me of a similar situation. I would objectively say that Jones had a stronger arm than Howard, but maybe the attitude, knowledge of passing concepts, decision making etc have more upside. If the worst thing we get is a #2 QB with a 6th round selection that is great. If he is a kind of guy that comes in and is a Mike Tomczak, Bubby Brister short term starter that is cool too. and if he washes out then not a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I think Howard will get a chance to play.

    Even if Rodgers signs. Rodgers doesn’t sound like a guy really committed to football currently. Makes me suspect he’s not working out and training all that intensely. Figure he breaks down and gets hurt at some point.

    Rudolph gets in and he’s been benched before for ineffective play.

    They start fading in the standings, why not run Howard out there for a couple of games and see what happens?

    Assuming he beats out his former teammate.
    We wont know until camp starts, but I somehow think Howard will also see some field. This might be one of those years like when Ben's elbow injury got Rudolph and Duck Dynasty on the field. We all forgetting Skylar Thompson too

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I prefer to wear vintage lingerie while imbibing - but that’s an individual choice!
    I'm not surprised.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by lipps83 View Post
    My hope is when this team wins its next playoff game (or two) there should be less fighting amongst ourselves and traffic picks back up.
    But will any of us still be alive to see it?

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    If we can’t laugh at ourselves, who can we laugh at?
    So you insult people, and then if they get mad at the insult you claim that THEY are the problem because they "can't laugh at themselves"?

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    I havent been around much for a couple a days and decided to catch up on some of the forum posts today ....

    I must say I no longer wonder whats happened to this place , its pretty clear ...

    Yes I too have been a part of it in the past but as the bible tells us its easier to see the speck in your brothers eye when the plank is no longer in your own eye ...

    this place is so damn toxic as of late .... everyone needs to take a deep breath and exhale slowly before there isnt anyone left to talk to here

    - Dwins out for now as I have seen all I care to for one day
    If we all have a better relationship Christ this wouldn't happen much but we are all sinners and hard to take that nature away from us. That said kinda mild what is going on between them. They will most likely make up.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue View Post
    If we all have a better relationship with Christ

    it starts and ends there to be honest .... but I am failing every single day more times than I even realize
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    For those of you wondering why this board nowadays has so little traffic, this kind of stuff is one of the big reasons why.
    I think the fact that is it May and real football is still 4 months away has a lot more to do with it. Plus the little Moj/Haw mini fight was entertaining. A good dust up keeps things fresh.

    Hawaiiansteeler, you should hear what Mojouw is saying about you behind your back! [Note: this was all made up by me strictly for entertainment purposes]

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    So you insult people, and then if they get mad at the insult you claim that THEY are the problem because they "can't laugh at themselves"?
    Still don't get it do you?

    I don't take any of this seriously. That is the difference. You seem to. I do not care what insults are lobbed my way.

    This all started because I was attempting to explain an argument that is floating around the internet message boards, podcasts, and YouTube regarding Will Howard. Then, it was a position that was ascribed to me. It is not, in fact, a thing I believe. I do not believe that Will Howard will be a mediocre NFL back-up because he played with oodles of superior talent at OSU and the team simply overwhelmed undermatched opponents (the argument I was attempting to summarize). I believe that Will Howard will fail to produce as an NFL starter because he simply is not talented enough. He lacks the requisite physical athletic traits required and he does not seem to read out defenses at the lightening speed needed to overcome his deficits.

    Here is a list of recent Steelers QBs I have been proven to be correct about:
    Duck Hodges
    Mason Rudolph
    Mitch Trubisky
    Kenny Pickett
    Russell Wilson

    I was wrong on Justin Fields.

    Will I be right about Will Howard? No idea. Not a clue. Couldn't be less clear. The fun bit is that we get to argue about it here and then see what we see on Sundays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzraTank View Post
    I think the fact that is it May and real football is still 4 months away has a lot more to do with it. Plus the little Moj/Haw mini fight was entertaining. A good dust up keeps things fresh.

    Hawaiiansteeler, you should hear what Mojouw is saying about you behind your back! [Note: this was all made up by me strictly for entertainment purposes]


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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    I hear ya. Landry Jones was a 4th round pick and at the time the all time leading passer in yardage I recall, from Oklahoma. Seemed like good value for a QB with good size, production, etc. Now we all know that he only turned out to be a backup and had some productive games, but it was worth the shot of a 4th round pick.

    Howard with a 6th round reminds me of a similar situation. I would objectively say that Jones had a stronger arm than Howard, but maybe the attitude, knowledge of passing concepts, decision making etc have more upside. If the worst thing we get is a #2 QB with a 6th round selection that is great. If he is a kind of guy that comes in and is a Mike Tomczak, Bubby Brister short term starter that is cool too. and if he washes out then not a big deal.

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    We wont know until camp starts, but I somehow think Howard will also see some field. This might be one of those years like when Ben's elbow injury got Rudolph and Duck Dynasty on the field. We all forgetting Skylar Thompson too
    Both of your points about value are, for me, why it ultimately doesn't concern me whether Howard ends up being good or not in the NFL. Either way, it was the proper "value" strategy at that point in the draft.

    Thompson beat out Howard early in Howard's time at KState. Can history repeat itself in the NFL?

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Still don't get it do you?

    I don't take any of this seriously.
    No, you're the one who doesn't get it.

    Show some respect for others and keep your insults to yourself.

    I don't start arguments but I sure as hell am not going to take shit from you.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    No, you're the one who doesn't get it.

    Show some respect for others and keep your insults to yourself.

    I don't start arguments but I sure as hell am not going to take shit from you.
    There you go, taking things far too seriously.

    I really do recommend a nice whale bone corset while high as a kite on the brown-brown. Makes this all so less stressful.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    So you insult people, and then if they get mad at the insult you claim that THEY are the problem because they "can't laugh at themselves"?
    Yup, pretty much sums it up.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
    Yup, pretty much sums it up.
    Ok. You clearly want to get into. So, let's get into it.

    Some months back, I can not remember how long, you and others got into a dust-up on some thread or another. I posted in a non-quoted post that many posters were acting fragile/snowflakey/taking themselves too seriously. By far, not the first time I have done so, as I have long argued that we all (myself included) can fall into the trap of taking the internet just a bit too seriously.

    If it was a quoted post, that was a mistake on my part. Regardless of that point, you took it incredibly seriously/personally and called me an "asshole" several times and claimed to be leaving here forever. I responded that you would be back in a handful of weeks, as this is was/is your pattern - get into an argument with someone over a perceived insult, call them names, and then conduct a self-imposed exile until whenever you see fit to return. Upon reflection, that post on my part was uncalled for. If you want to take breaks for whatever the reason, that is your decision and I shouldn't have given you crap over it.

    Anyway, on your return, you are attempting to take my previous comments that you felt were directed too pointedly at you and lob them back my way. Again, due to my predilections for dangerous narcotics and vintage lace; I am unconcerned. I just felt we might want to recap it. Or at least that is what I think happened....could be wrong....I like to do the brown-brown and post.

    While I am no saint and far from without my sins and transgressions, I typically do not care what insults are directed my way. Look the VAST majority if threads, I am rarely the first one insulted. What I do tend to get all prickly about is when someone totally mischaracterizes the point of a post. For instance, the inciting incident here was that someone, and I actually forget who, seemed (again, at least to me) claim that I was making an argument with moving goalposts. Which I did get (far too) pissy about, because it wasn't my argument but an attempt to discuss one that is real popular on the interwebs. In this case, I took myself and the discussion far too seriously - likely because I have been out of my sweet, sweet, coping mechanism.

    Ok? Do you want to carry on with this thing? Again....once my latest shipment of premium gunpowder comes in, I'm good...you would think that the gunpowder would be easier to get than the coke and lingerie, but, nope, it is actually the most complicated.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Ok. You clearly want to get into. So, let's get into it.

    Some months back, I can not remember how long, you and others got into a dust-up on some thread or another. I posted in a non-quoted post that many posters were acting fragile/snowflakey/taking themselves too seriously. By far, not the first time I have done so, as I have long argued that we all (myself included) can fall into the trap of taking the internet just a bit too seriously.

    If it was a quoted post, that was a mistake on my part. Regardless of that point, you took it incredibly seriously/personally and called me an "asshole" several times and claimed to be leaving here forever. I responded that you would be back in a handful of weeks, as this is was/is your pattern - get into an argument with someone over a perceived insult, call them names, and then conduct a self-imposed exile until whenever you see fit to return. Upon reflection, that post on my part was uncalled for. If you want to take breaks for whatever the reason, that is your decision and I shouldn't have given you crap over it.

    Anyway, on your return, you are attempting to take my previous comments that you felt were directed too pointedly at you and lob them back my way. Again, due to my predilections for dangerous narcotics and vintage lace; I am unconcerned. I just felt we might want to recap it. Or at least that is what I think happened....could be wrong....I like to do the brown-brown and post.

    While I am no saint and far from without my sins and transgressions, I typically do not care what insults are directed my way. Look the VAST majority if threads, I am rarely the first one insulted. What I do tend to get all prickly about is when someone totally mischaracterizes the point of a post. For instance, the inciting incident here was that someone, and I actually forget who, seemed (again, at least to me) claim that I was making an argument with moving goalposts. Which I did get (far too) pissy about, because it wasn't my argument but an attempt to discuss one that is real popular on the interwebs. In this case, I took myself and the discussion far too seriously - likely because I have been out of my sweet, sweet, coping mechanism.

    Ok? Do you want to carry on with this thing? Again....once my latest shipment of premium gunpowder comes in, I'm good...you would think that the gunpowder would be easier to get than the coke and lingerie, but, nope, it is actually the most complicated.
    I'm easy to predict. Direct an insult at me and I will fire back.

    Stop being an asshole and we won't have any more problems.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    it starts and ends there to be honest .... but I am failing every single day more times than I even realize
    Honestly, I respect everyone's faith and willingness to commit to their religion. The next question then becomes which denomination of faith? Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, L. Ron Hubbard, etc? But I didnt really log onto a Steelers forum to ponder those kinds of questions.

    Honestly, I think the more that politics and religion find their way into the football chat of a fan forum, the less traffic there will be in these pages. I'm just going to keep this about football.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post


    Both of your points about value are, for me, why it ultimately doesn't concern me whether Howard ends up being good or not in the NFL. Either way, it was the proper "value" strategy at that point in the draft.

    Thompson beat out Howard early in Howard's time at KState. Can history repeat itself in the NFL?
    I am going to side with Steve Smith Sr. on this one. He said something on NFL Network like "Mason Rudolph and Skyler Thompson, we know who they are and what they can do, so they arent really Quarterbacks in this equation. Howard and whoever else they bring into camp like Rodgers are the guys to watch, because we know the other 2 arent really starters."

    Again, I know the Steelers are not winning the Super Bowl this season, so if they have to suck really bad to maybe get a shot at a future starting QB in the 2026 draft, I am all for it. I've seen too much Kent Graham, Mike Tomczak, Cliff Stoudt to know that Steeler fans have been fortunate with Bradshaw and Ben.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    For those of you wondering why this board nowadays has so little traffic, this kind of stuff is one of the big reasons why.
    Agree Big Time!

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    I am going to side with Steve Smith Sr. on this one. He said something on NFL Network like "Mason Rudolph and Skyler Thompson, we know who they are and what they can do, so they arent really Quarterbacks in this equation. Howard and whoever else they bring into camp like Rodgers are the guys to watch, because we know the other 2 arent really starters."
    I like to think that Mason Rudolph will be enough for the short-term and maybe even longer. I think they may feel confident with him and that may be why they are only passively pursuing Rodgers. They know what Rudolph is capable of doing for them. If they weren't, I am sure one of the 100s of other scenarios involving the Steelers and prospective QBs would have played out by now. I just saw one from mid-January suggesting the Steelers trade GP, TJ and two 1st rounders to move up to take Shedeur Sanders....... some people are just nuts.

    Anyway, the team responded really well to Rudolph at the end of 2023. George Pickens likes him, and so does everyone else on the team.

    I think it can work.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    I am going to side with Steve Smith Sr. on this one. He said something on NFL Network like "Mason Rudolph and Skyler Thompson, we know who they are and what they can do, so they arent really Quarterbacks in this equation. Howard and whoever else they bring into camp like Rodgers are the guys to watch, because we know the other 2 arent really starters."

    Again, I know the Steelers are not winning the Super Bowl this season, so if they have to suck really bad to maybe get a shot at a future starting QB in the 2026 draft, I am all for it. I've seen too much Kent Graham, Mike Tomczak, Cliff Stoudt to know that Steeler fans have been fortunate with Bradshaw and Ben.
    I question the “not really starters” thing. I don’t disagree with the evaluation but I do think it is possible the Steelers simply don’t care.

    Look at their recent track record. I think the Steelers figure they can start Rudolph, Thompson, or a lucky fan and grind out 7 wins. Add some splash from elsewhere and you steal the other two wins.

    I just don’t think they feel a need to do much at QB. Unlike fans and commentators, the team has resigned themselves to their fate. It is Rudolph until some vet or rookie beats him out. That could be an old and disinterested Rodgers showing up in August or a rookie forcing their way into the field like when Wilson beat out whoever Seattle had planned.

    Honestly. I’ll just be happy if they quite trying to fix the issue with spackle and sawdust. I’ve got no problem if the QB play is comically bad in 2025.

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    Re: Steelers select Will Howard, QB, The Ohio State #185 overall

    Gruden believes the Steelers got a steal in Will Howard. Let's hope it's so!


    https://steelersdepot.com/2025/05/jo...n-will-howard/

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