I know this is Steelers forum but it's off-season ... so who wins Superbowl? Who ya got?

[Rocky Mtn.]

Kenny won a game with broken ribs vs Cowboys.

I know it hurts but Kenny actually played this year and helped contribute as a member of the Eagles.

The only one's that are hurting are those that can't let Pickett go .He's rear view mirror to me.Just replying to those that can't let go. Let’s revisit when and if Pickett ever becomes a point producing starter. Even Trent Dilfer was a contributer with a dominant defense.

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Most if not all backups usually don't have to do a thing... Your point?

My point is the Steelers players who VOR was referencing took a beating all season to not get a ring.

[oneforthetoe]

They installed a new offensive coordinator and a new offense, that has different philosophies and different ways of attacking. Coaching that is completely different and brings a different approach to how the game is played completely. A coach that changes how the game is taught.

They hired a new defensive coordinator with a new defense and a new defensive philosophy. They moved on from some veteran players and got younger and faster on defense. Because of that, they spent less money. They couldn't cover anyone and gave up yards and points at will over the last 6 games of the season. That doesn't change just because of better execution. There is better execution because the system they are playing in is better. The teaching and coaching is also better to put players in a position to play well and schemes that fit the players' strengths. How a team executes is so dependent on HOW they play in situations, and also understanding what is expected of them and how the coach expects them to react and play in every situation. That doesn't happen by accident or by trying harder.

These changes are huge. You downplay it, but I don't think you understand how much things can change when new ideas and new approaches are coached and implemented to maximize the talent on the roster. When new coaches come in and new systems, schemes, and ideas are encouraged and bought into by the entire organization it can change everything for a team. The locker room can come together behind coaching that actually works and it elevates the talent and the entire team.

I did not downplay the importance of the new coaches I simply said the over philosophy seemed to be similar (especially on offense). Of course, the output changed drastically. But then maybe I just don't understand anything

[Rotorhead]

Chiefs. They’re the team better at winning narrow games. Unless the Eagles can just push them around and get up early. But I think the Chiefs don’t let that happen and win a squeaker.

You kind of called it lol, Iggles got up early for sure

[Mojouw]

You kind of called it lol, Iggles got up early for sure

I can’t take credit for that.

I’m just shocked how much the Eagles just pushed the Chiefs around. They just made the Chiefs OL look silly.

And they blitzed zero times. None. Just their 4 guys coming in waves.

[Steeler-in-west]

What a dud of a game and the commercials generally sucked too. I may be slightly biased but the best most exciting super bowls ever were played in Miami in 1979 and Pasadena, Ca in 1980.

Miami

https://youtu.be/qCYWQoTbXIQ?si=p91hvWUWPggzoS7p

Pasadena

https://youtu.be/jDGTCOCi4ec?si=0SC97II8dIGGwjQN

[Voice of Reason]

And just think,Pickett didn't have to do a thing to get that ring.

Yes he did. He had to be smart enough to figure out that Tomlin was toxic and that he was much better off going to a team like the Eagles, and then make it happen.

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My point is the Steelers players who VOR was referencing took a beating all season to not get a ring.

Exactly. And it was because they stupidly took the side of Tomlin against Kenny.

[pczach]

If you look a bit further, you can spin all your saying into positives:

1. The Eagles also won because they had a dominant offensive line full of massive dudes with a run first offensive philosophy. Ok. The Steelers are getting there. Assume they run out a line of Jones-Seumalo-Frazier-McCormick-Fautanu. That is some large angry gentlemen. Whether they can ever come together and play as well as the Iggles line, that remains to be seen. But...Khan and Weidl are certainly attempting to replicate that blueprint. And Smith is capable of implementing a run heavy approach.

2. I am not all that impressed with Hurts. I mean I think he is a good QB, but he isn't "win the MVP of the league" tier like some of the other playoff starters. He is a cut below that. AND...he is at a level that I THINK the Steelers could approximate with a similar type of QB. Say, one Justin Fields. Give Fields the same level of OL play that Hurts has benefited from and the same caliber of skill position weapons....He could do a passable Jalen Hurts impression.

3. Offensive weapons. This is where the comparison falls apart. And, clearly, the Steelers know that. Their continual quest to add to the WR and (hopefully) RB rooms shows that they know it. Unfortunately, they have not been fortunate enough to have some other GM have his brain cramp up the way that dude in Tennessee did and execute the smooth brained genius move of trading AJ Brown in the prime of his career. So they have a lot of work to do here. Especially if you want to achieve the QB outcomes listed above. Getting your own version of Hurts requires that you have a WR who can just make man coverage look dumb - like Brown did against some pretty dang good Chiefs CBs.

4. On the defensive side of the ball there are parallels as well. The Iggles are simply ahead of the schedule. They sought out man coverage capable DBs and flexible safeties. The Steelers are on this path as well. They are just about two DBs short - maybe three. The Eagles identified and obtained fast, flexible interior LBs. As have the Steelers. The Eagles got deep at the edges. So are the Steelers. The Eagles trump card is that incredible interior DL. And that took multiple top 12 draft picks to make happen. The Steelers will have to consider doing similar. Maybe putting off QB for a year or so to go and get a premier DT talent?

If you then want to turn it to coaching...I dunno. Sirriani is gonna get lauded now because they took home the trophy. But he is a hothead who just a handful of months ago was still being put on the hot seat. All that change you spoke of was not really the Eagles insisting on getting better it was their HC trying to save his job!

Moore is super overrated in my opinion. He doesn't do anything all that clever, he just has been at the helm of incredibly talented teams with good players. I think, as much as I hate to admit this, that Smith COULD run an offense just as well IF he could get out of his own way a bit and stop insisting on square pegs into round holes so much. But that is Smith's major flaw as a coach. Can he be introspective enough to identify and change? I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.

Fangio is the Eagles trump card. His style of defense is having a moment across the league right now. The Eagles, wisely, got the OG of this flavor of defense instead of one the diluted imitators. And they were able to field the players to make it work. It was an excellent marriage of roster talent with schematic approach. But, again, I don't think there is this massive schematic or innovative advantage that the Eagles are riding here. It is, from what I can see, largely that the Eagles just have incredible talent at critical spots. I can not think of a better 3 CB group than Slay/Johnston/DeJean. I am sure there are other groups that can equal them in the league right now, I am just drawing a blank, but they are up there. And the other thing that makes the magic happen is that Fangio can unleash the hounds up front and beat the snot out of the other OL without bringing more than 4 for the most part. Able to devote 7 to coverage and still make the other OL look foolish? That is going to make a TON of defensive coaches look smart.

The Eagles showed everyone the culmination of the path the Steelers are trying to walk. How the Steelers collect the roster talent the Eagles have been able to do to make it work? I do not know. Doubling up on first round picks and then bullying your way through the draft to get your players via trades for a couple years in a row is hard to duplicate. Having another GM sell AJ Brown for pennies on the dollar because they are trying to save their job - hard to count on it happening again. But Khan and Weidl have had two strong off-seasons in a row. And the Eagles took more than a few years to put this all together as well.

I mean if the league is going to turn back to beat the snot out of you on both sides of the ball up front...the Steelers are not that far off being able to make that work. Another off-season cycle on par with last years? This all looks different.

Great coaches put players in position to succeed on the field. They get the most out of the talent.

Last season with mostly the same team, they couldn't get out of their own way at the end of the season. They were struggling to score on offense, and they couldn't stop anyone on defense.

They bring in new coordinators and add some young talent, and the team turned into world beaters. A dominant team.

Kellen Moore was exactly what they needed. He harnessed the talent of the team. He decided to run the offense through Barkley and the offense exploded. That's a coaching decision that 100% transformed the offense. He didn't re-create the wheel and the offense isn't complicated. He just figured out the best way to use them. That's what coaches get paid to do. The good coaches figure that part out. Lesser talented teams need better, more complicated scheme to succeed. Sometimes more talented teams need to simplify things and find a path to greatness. Whatever works should be the mantra of every coach. Ego and thinking they know everything should have nothing to do with coaching.

Knowing what style of play works for your team is exactly what good coaching is. That is the definition of good coaching. That doesn't mean that what they are doing will work with every team. It just shows that they figured out what to do with the talent they have where they are currently coaching.

Fangio has had mostly great defenses the last decade or so. He's not a flash in the pan.

It's very difficult to accumulate that much talent, but knowing how to use that talent to get the most out of it isn't as easy as you think it is.

[Mojouw]

Great coaches put players in position to succeed on the field. They get the most out of the talent.

Last season with mostly the same team, they couldn't get out of their own way at the end of the season. They were struggling to score on offense, and they couldn't stop anyone on defense.

They bring in new coordinators and add some young talent, and the team turned into world beaters. A dominant team.

Kellen Moore was exactly what they needed. He harnessed the talent of the team. He decided to run the offense through Barkley and the offense exploded. That's a coaching decision that 100% transformed the offense. He didn't re-create the wheel and the offense isn't complicated. He just figured out the best way to use them. That's what coaches get paid to do. The good coaches figure that part out. Lesser talented teams need better, more complicated scheme to succeed. Sometimes more talented teams need to simplify things and find a path to greatness. Whatever works should be the mantra of every coach. Ego and thinking they know everything should have nothing to do with coaching.

Knowing what style of play works for your team is exactly what good coaching is. That is the definition of good coaching. That doesn't mean that what they are doing will work with every team. It just shows that they figured out what to do with the talent they have where they are currently coaching.

Fangio has had mostly great defenses the last decade or so. He's not a flash in the pan.

It's very difficult to accumulate that much talent, but knowing how to use that talent to get the most out of it isn't as easy as you think it is.

I think everyone makes the NFL out to be harder than it is because most people running things in the NFL are a hilarious combination of arrogant and dumb. You are correct that too many coaches can't get out of their own way and make things harder on themselves and their players. For instance, Smith's hilariously inefficient first down play calling and how that leads to punts because his team is now behind the sticks every drive.

If we are giving coaches credit for focusing on the premier FA RB that the front office went out and signed...I guess that Moore is ready for his mustard colored jacket? Moore did not do anything innovative or clever. For instance, one of the Iggles best running plays was an outside toss. The one that the Steelers and Harris are awful at. Instead the Eagles and their road-grading offensive line allowed the best RB in the league (and he has been that for a couple of years and it was cool to see him finally get to show it on not an awful team) to turn that play into house calls.

And the Eagles fascinating defensive discovery was to get a group of man coverage capable DBs and interior LBs allowing them to rush with their 4 guys up front. And then they got about 8-9 of those guys and rotated them. They just undressed the Chiefs offensive line and made Mahomes look foolish by blitzing a grand total of ZERO times. And while I think their front is one of the best in the league, it also looked like the someone finally realized just how bad that Chiefs OL was and they had to pay the piper for that. Usually not possible to play an old guard out at tackle and have it go well.

All of this sounds EXTREMELY familiar. From what I can tell the biggest difference between what Fangio does and what the Steelers do is where they play their safeties. The Eagles just have more talent because they turned a series of trades into multiple high first round picks and their own picks from a 4 win season sprinkled in.

Moore is fine. No better or worse than Smith. Fangio and the OL coach are the things that make the Eagles go. And even then, the players really went a long way towards making him look good. Some of those coverages do NOT work without DeJean and Johnston making plays. For instance, Austin would look far smarter if he didn't have to dial up Bishop or Sutton in coverage on critical plays.

There have been recent SB and playoff cycles where the lessons have been schematic and/or elite QB play. But the lesson from the Eagles is far more of a front office and roster talent on. They have been the team I have been hoping the Steelers would emulate and trade out of a first round or two to accumulate picks to accelerate a rebuild. And it is simply not talked about enough how AJ Brown makes that offense work. And he was acquired because the dude running the Titans at the time was trying to win an internal power struggle and made one of the worst trades in recent memory.

IF the Steelers can get a better OL system in place and have another 1-2 off-season cycles of player acquisition like the last 2; they are easily on par with the Eagles.

[pczach]

I think everyone makes the NFL out to be harder than it is because most people running things in the NFL are a hilarious combination of arrogant and dumb. You are correct that too many coaches can't get out of their own way and make things harder on themselves and their players. For instance, Smith's hilariously inefficient first down play calling and how that leads to punts because his team is now behind the sticks every drive.

If we are giving coaches credit for focusing on the premier FA RB that the front office went out and signed...I guess that Moore is ready for his mustard colored jacket? Moore did not do anything innovative or clever. For instance, one of the Iggles best running plays was an outside toss. The one that the Steelers and Harris are awful at. Instead the Eagles and their road-grading offensive line allowed the best RB in the league (and he has been that for a couple of years and it was cool to see him finally get to show it on not an awful team) to turn that play into house calls.

And the Eagles fascinating defensive discovery was to get a group of man coverage capable DBs and interior LBs allowing them to rush with their 4 guys up front. And then they got about 8-9 of those guys and rotated them. They just undressed the Chiefs offensive line and made Mahomes look foolish by blitzing a grand total of ZERO times. And while I think their front is one of the best in the league, it also looked like the someone finally realized just how bad that Chiefs OL was and they had to pay the piper for that. Usually not possible to play an old guard out at tackle and have it go well.

All of this sounds EXTREMELY familiar. From what I can tell the biggest difference between what Fangio does and what the Steelers do is where they play their safeties. The Eagles just have more talent because they turned a series of trades into multiple high first round picks and their own picks from a 4 win season sprinkled in.

Moore is fine. No better or worse than Smith. Fangio and the OL coach are the things that make the Eagles go. And even then, the players really went a long way towards making him look good. Some of those coverages do NOT work without DeJean and Johnston making plays. For instance, Austin would look far smarter if he didn't have to dial up Bishop or Sutton in coverage on critical plays.

There have been recent SB and playoff cycles where the lessons have been schematic and/or elite QB play. But the lesson from the Eagles is far more of a front office and roster talent on. They have been the team I have been hoping the Steelers would emulate and trade out of a first round or two to accumulate picks to accelerate a rebuild. And it is simply not talked about enough how AJ Brown makes that offense work. And he was acquired because the dude running the Titans at the time was trying to win an internal power struggle and made one of the worst trades in recent memory.

IF the Steelers can get a better OL system in place and have another 1-2 off-season cycles of player acquisition like the last 2; they are easily on par with the Eagles.

There is a lot more to coaching than where guys line up.

Running the same defense or offense as someone else doesn't yield the same results. The devil is in the details.

Some of the toughest coaching jobs are when there is a ton of talent. There is a lot of ego and testosterone in those locker rooms, and everyone wants the ball and the credit.

[Mojouw]

There is a lot more to coaching than where guys line up.

Running the same defense or offense as someone else doesn't yield the same results. The devil is in the details.

Some of the toughest coaching jobs are when there is a ton of talent. There is a lot of ego and testosterone in those locker rooms, and everyone wants the ball and the credit.

If you’re determined to make the Eagles SB run a referendum on coaching, have at it.

I’m more impressed with their ability to identify and acquire talent.

[Mach1]

If you’re determined to make the Eagles SB run a referendum on coaching, have at it.

I’m more impressed with their ability to identify and acquire talent.

Tomlin would have only achieved a .500 record with that talent. Sometimes it's not the players it's the garbage coaching.

[pczach]

If you’re determined to make the Eagles SB run a referendum on coaching, have at it.

I’m more impressed with their ability to identify and acquire talent.

So why did the Eagles fall apart last season over the last 7 games?

You can't say that every team that wins has overwhelming talent.

How did the Rams almost beat the unbeatable Eagles and their dominant roster on the road in Philadelphia?

It certainly wasn't their overwhelming talent.

If you want to say that replacing coaches had nothing to do with the Eagles drastically improving, you can have at that all day long as well.

You want to defend Tomlin, so you say he has no talent and he's leading his rabble of players to more wins than anyone else can. So you're saying Tomlin's coaching matters.

When other teams win big, you say it has nothing to do with coaching, and that talent is the reason those teams won. Coaching doesn't matter.

If that's the case, then what the hell do the Steelers need Tomlin or any of the other coaches for?

Your argument is chasing its tail.

[Mojouw]

So why did the Eagles fall apart last season over the last 7 games?

You can't say that every team that wins has overwhelming talent.

How did the Rams almost beat the unbeatable Eagles and their dominant roster on the road in Philadelphia?

It certainly wasn't their overwhelming talent.

If you want to say that replacing coaches had nothing to do with the Eagles drastically improving, you can have at that all day long as well.

You want to defend Tomlin, so you say he has no talent and he's leading his rabble of players to more wins than anyone else can. So you're saying Tomlin's coaching matters.

When other teams win big, you say it has nothing to do with coaching, and that talent is the reason those teams won. Coaching doesn't matter.

If that's the case, then what the hell do the Steelers need Tomlin or any of the other coaches for?

Your argument is chasing its tail.

I don't believe that is a fair characterization of my argument at all. And that is likely on me for not being clear. Success is a combination of coaching and talent. One without the other is incomplete. But often times talent can make a coach look good or make a coach look bad.

In 2021-2023, Aaron Glenn and Dan Campbell helmed some pretty bad Lions defenses. Then they vastly improved the personnel and had an excellent defensive team in 2024 until injuries gutted the roster. Now Aaron Glenn is the "hot" head coach of the Jets. But for the prior 2 seasons there were calls for his ouster in Detroit. When he lacked the guys to run his scheme, it looked bad and he looked like a bad coach. Then they injected talent into the roster and he looks like a genius.

You and I discussed the merits of Andy Reid about 3 weeks ago or so. No amount of genius level play-calling was able to help the Chiefs on Sunday. He lacked the OL and explosive players on offense to beat the Eagles defense. Does that make him not a great coach any longer? Or does it mean the holes in the Chiefs roster finally ran up against a team good enough to expose them?

Fangio has been fired for poor performance from multiple jobs. Last year in Miami his defense was middle of the pack. This year, it is dominant. Did Fangio become a better coach? Or did he have better players than some of his previous stops and he was able to thrive?

Moore had just come off a long Cowboys tenure where he was widely criticized for not getting the most out the talent on the roster. And he was not anything noteworthy while helming the Chargers. He gets to Philly and has a breathtaking amount of talent to work with....and now he is going to be the head coach of the Saints.

There are coaches that can tilt the field based on their schematic wizardry. McVay, Shanahan, Payton, Reid on offense. Seemingly Flores, Fangio, Spagnolu, and a handful of others on defense. But those coaches also tend to look far better and have a much more profound impact on the game when they have high level talent up and down the roster to work with. For instance, Spags lacked anyone that could stay with, much less slow down AJ Brown and Davonte Smith. The ways that stressed and broke the Chiefs coverage plan was critical in the SB. Is Spags no longer a good coach?

It is a hard to quantify mixture of coaching and talent. Right now, the Steelers are still trying to get some additional talent in place before the talent they do have reaches its sell by date. They are a few pieces behind where they need to be. BUT...the intriguing and exciting thing is that we all just watched a surprising validation of their approach to roster construction. OL and DL backed by explosive athletes on either side of the ball. BUT...not helmed by a top tier QB. That worked for the first time in almost 25 years. Further, getting pressure and turnovers with a 4 man rush backed by extensive coverage. This has been what the Steelers have been trying to build.

It gives me renewed hope that there is a path forward for the Steelers in the current NFL without needing to sell the farm for a QB. I did not have that even 2 weeks ago.

[pczach]

I don't believe that is a fair characterization of my argument at all. And that is likely on me for not being clear. Success is a combination of coaching and talent. One without the other is incomplete. But often times talent can make a coach look good or make a coach look bad.

In 2021-2023, Aaron Glenn and Dan Campbell helmed some pretty bad Lions defenses. Then they vastly improved the personnel and had an excellent defensive team in 2024 until injuries gutted the roster. Now Aaron Glenn is the "hot" head coach of the Jets. But for the prior 2 seasons there were calls for his ouster in Detroit. When he lacked the guys to run his scheme, it looked bad and he looked like a bad coach. Then they injected talent into the roster and he looks like a genius.

You and I discussed the merits of Andy Reid about 3 weeks ago or so. No amount of genius level play-calling was able to help the Chiefs on Sunday. He lacked the OL and explosive players on offense to beat the Eagles defense. Does that make him not a great coach any longer? Or does it mean the holes in the Chiefs roster finally ran up against a team good enough to expose them?

Fangio has been fired for poor performance from multiple jobs. Last year in Miami his defense was middle of the pack. This year, it is dominant. Did Fangio become a better coach? Or did he have better players than some of his previous stops and he was able to thrive?

Moore had just come off a long Cowboys tenure where he was widely criticized for not getting the most out the talent on the roster. And he was not anything noteworthy while helming the Chargers. He gets to Philly and has a breathtaking amount of talent to work with....and now he is going to be the head coach of the Saints.

There are coaches that can tilt the field based on their schematic wizardry. McVay, Shanahan, Payton, Reid on offense. Seemingly Flores, Fangio, Spagnolu, and a handful of others on defense. But those coaches also tend to look far better and have a much more profound impact on the game when they have high level talent up and down the roster to work with. For instance, Spags lacked anyone that could stay with, much less slow down AJ Brown and Davonte Smith. The ways that stressed and broke the Chiefs coverage plan was critical in the SB. Is Spags no longer a good coach?

It is a hard to quantify mixture of coaching and talent. Right now, the Steelers are still trying to get some additional talent in place before the talent they do have reaches its sell by date. They are a few pieces behind where they need to be. BUT...the intriguing and exciting thing is that we all just watched a surprising validation of their approach to roster construction. OL and DL backed by explosive athletes on either side of the ball. BUT...not helmed by a top tier QB. That worked for the first time in almost 25 years. Further, getting pressure and turnovers with a 4 man rush backed by extensive coverage. This has been what the Steelers have been trying to build.

It gives me renewed hope that there is a path forward for the Steelers in the current NFL without needing to sell the farm for a QB. I did not have that even 2 weeks ago.

You gave Sirianni very little credit. I think that's easy to do from the 100 mile view. Here's an article that was written before the season started with quotes from Sirianni. It talks about the Eagles' collapse last season. It talks about accountability. It talks about the role of the head coach and how Sirianni interacts and shares decision-making with the GM to better the roster, and how Sirianni talks to his players and hires his coaching staff.

It's a really good read with a lot of insight.

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.co...season/597784/


You are saying you are not impressed with Sirianni because the talent level of the roster is what won the Eagles this Super Bowl. Sirianni was handed a talented roster and has gone to two Super Bowls. He lost the first one, but won the second one.

Mike Tomlin took over a team with a loaded roster. He led the team to a Super Bowl that they won. He then took them to a second Super Bowl that they lost. Tomlin hasn't done much winning in the playoffs since.

Sirianni sure sounds like he has started his career with the Eagles in a similar manor as Mike Tomlin did with the Steelers with a similar trajectory. What Sirianni does from here remains to be seen, but I think you aren't giving him enough credit.

[Mojouw]

You gave Sirianni very little credit. I think that's easy to do from the 100 mile view. Here's an article that was written before the season started with quotes from Sirianni. It talks about the Eagles' collapse last season. It talks about accountability. It talks about the role of the head coach and how Sirianni interacts and shares decision-making with the GM to better the roster, and how Sirianni talks to his players and hires his coaching staff.

It's a really good read with a lot of insight.

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.co...season/597784/


You are saying you are not impressed with Sirianni because the talent level of the roster is what won the Eagles this Super Bowl. Sirianni was handed a talented roster and has gone to two Super Bowls. He lost the first one, but won the second one.

Mike Tomlin took over a team with a loaded roster. He led the team to a Super Bowl that they won. He then took them to a second Super Bowl that they lost. Tomlin hasn't done much winning in the playoffs since.

Sirianni sure sounds like he has started his career with the Eagles in a similar manor as Mike Tomlin did with the Steelers with a similar trajectory. What Sirianni does from here remains to be seen, but I think you aren't giving him enough credit.

Ok. Let's give Sirrani a great deal of credit. Not a problem.

Those comments sound like exactly what comes out of Pittsburgh and elicits eyerolls and condescension across the Steelers internet.

Take 2-3 DL, the quarterback, a WR, two OL, and 2 CBs off the Eagkes roster and put them on the Steelers. I strongly believe we are having a significantly different conversation.

You gotta have both. I think the Steelers staff can succeed. They need more talent at key spots. They're 1-2 years away.

[Born2Steel]

This was so savage I had to put it on here. A radio show with a couple ex-NFL players discussing the SB and were just giving their takes on different aspects of the game. They were cracking jokes on different guys and busting balls for the fun of it all along the way. When one of the guys brought up KP taking snaps at the end of the SB and said, "Kenny Pickett will get a SB Ring with the Eagles. Talk about your participation trophies." They had a laugh and then the other guy says, "I was part of some group projects in school too. I did very little to nothing for the project but got an 'A' same as the rest of the group."

I'm not telling who the guys are or what the name of their show is because it was just a guys being guys conversation about the SB. But the fact that they even brought up KP and gave him a bit of a roasting makes me think maybe they know him or maybe even respect him a little.

But then again, when they talked about the halftime show they just said how it was Kendrick Lamar with the halftime show and then silence with crickets for about 30-40secs.

It wasn't all just poking fun. There was s some serious analysis and insights too. I just found it interesting they even mentioned what's his name.

[Voice of Reason]

Whatever works should be the mantra of every coach. Ego and thinking they know everything should have nothing to do with coaching.

Unfortunately we have no coaches with the former mantra, but a lot of coaches with the latter.

[Voice of Reason]

If you’re determined to make the Eagles SB run a referendum on coaching, have at it.

I’m more impressed with their ability to identify and acquire talent.

And those people who impress you so much with their ability to identify and acquire talent chose Kenny Pickett to be their No. 2 quarterback.

[oneforthetoe]

And those people who impress you so much with their ability to identify and acquire talent chose Kenny Pickett to be their No. 2 quarterback.

Yes, because they are smart enough to realize he is a back-up.

[Mojouw]

Yes, because they are smart enough to realize he is a back-up.

[Rocky Mtn.]

Yes he did. He had to be smart enough to figure out that Tomlin was toxic and that he was much better off going to a team like the Eagles, and then make it happen.
Right. He was smart enough to realize he's a back up until until he proves he is a point producing starter,which he hasn't. Revisit when and of that ever happens. When I see a team pay him and start him,I'll revisit. Until then he is what he is, a back up.

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Exactly. And it was because they stupidly took the side of Tomlin against Kenny.

I can't say that they took that route because of Tomlin and I'm not a Tomlin cheerleader. Maybe that's just the way they thought,all on their own. I'm sure they are capable of independent thought.

[Rocky Mtn.]

Yes he did. He had to be smart enough to figure out that Tomlin was toxic and that he was much better off going to a team like the Eagles, and then make it happen.

Second string will get you a ring. There is no denying that.

[steelcityboyz]

Second string will get you a ring. There is no denying that.

Yep, since 1966.

[Rocky Mtn.]

Yep, since 1966.

The whole depth chart for that matter. Whether they are good enough to make the regular rep crew or not, they are good enough to hang on the roster.

[Voice of Reason]

Yes, because they are smart enough to realize he is a back-up.

Um, a back-up QB is one play away from being the 1st string QB for most of the season. Of course the Kenny-haters are going to downplay it, but of all the available QB's out there, a team legitimately contending for a Super Bowl and noted for "their ability to identify and acquire talent" chose Kenny Pickett to be the guy they were going to go to if their first-string QB went down.

Deal with it, you geniuses.

[Rocky Mtn.]

Um, a back-up QB is one play away from being the 1st string QB for most of the season. Of course the Kenny-haters are going to downplay it, but of all the available QB's out there, a team legitimately contending for a Super Bowl and noted for "their ability to identify and acquire talent" chose Kenny Pickett to be the guy they were going to go to if their first-string QB went down.

Deal with it, you geniuses.

I for one, don't have to deal with it. Pickett is rear view mirror for me and I don't really follow the Eagles.

[El Kabong]

Um, a back-up QB is one play away from being the 1st string QB for most of the season. Of course the Kenny-haters are going to downplay it, but of all the available QB's out there, a team legitimately contending for a Super Bowl and noted for "their ability to identify and acquire talent" chose Kenny Pickett to be the guy they were going to go to if their first-string QB went down.

Deal with it, you geniuses.

I think you know very well a backup QB isn't going to be as good as a starter. Kenny being a good backup for the Eagles doesn't mean we should have him as a starter.

[vasteeler]

I think you know very well a backup QB isn't going to be as good as a starter. Kenny being a good backup for the Eagles doesn't mean we should have him as a starter.

It's CRAZY that this has to be explained... Lol

[Voice of Reason]

I think you know very well a backup QB isn't going to be as good as a starter. Kenny being a good backup for the Eagles doesn't mean we should have him as a starter.

Um, I never said it did. But the Eagles thinking that Kenny was good enough to be the guy they were going to turn over the keys to if Hurts got injured means (a) that Kenny is a lot better than most of the people here thought he was, and (b) the idea of Kenny eventually developing into a good starting QB is not as far-fetched as most of the people here thought it was.

Deal with it, you geniuses.

[oneforthetoe]

Um, I never said it did. But the Eagles thinking that Kenny was good enough to be the guy they were going to turn over the keys to if Hurts got injured means (a) that Kenny is a lot better than most of the people here thought he was, and (b) the idea of Kenny eventually developing into a good starting QB is not as far-fetched as most of the people here thought it was.

Deal with it, you geniuses.

I don't understand your logic here. Had Kenny not asked for a trade he almost certainly would have started more games in Pittsburgh due to Wilson's early season injuries. It would have been a chance to showcase his skills either to the Steelers or to another team that might sign him as a starter. No matter how you try and spin his decision being a smart one, playing in games is a better way to showcase your skill than sitting on the bench collecting a a Superbowl ring. The ring is nice addition to Kenny's bookshelf and something he can show his grandkids someday, but it doesn't impress potential other teams to consider him as a starter as much as playing.