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    Re: I know this is Steelers forum but it's off-season ... so who wins Superbowl? Who ya got?

    I really think Mahomes had money on the Eagles

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    Iggles watches super bowl 55 and tool notes

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    I really think Mahomes had money on the Eagles

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    How is this "entertainment"?

    Seriously, someone, please explain rap to me. 1st grade level rhyming with really no talent needed. I just don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzraTank View Post
    How is this "entertainment"?

    Seriously, someone, please explain rap to me. 1st grade level rhyming with really no talent needed. I just don't get it.
    I didn't watch it. I knew it would be like that. Hopefully someday they bring back a rock act.

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    Nice commercial, but do I really believe that the best female high school athlete is going to outdo the best high school male athlete? No I do not.

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    When the Eagles lost the Super Bowl, I really thought they were the team to emulate. The Chiefs are a great team, but emulating them requires you emulate Mahomes, Kelce and Andy Reid. The Eagles though: massive offensive line, great running game, playmaking mobile QB, and of course a really good defense. Not easy to emulate, but something you can't shoot for.

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    That knock away might be the game.

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    They did what the 49ers did in 1981. Drafted 2 good CBs and signed a good free agent and turned the defense around. Their defense fell apart last year

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    Kellen Moore can just stay in New Orleans lol.

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    Loving it. Love seeing Mahomes embarrassed.

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    They did what the 49ers did in 1981. Drafted 2 good CBs and signed a good free agent and turned the defense around. Their defense fell apart last year

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    They also switched defensive coordinators. So, I guess we will have to rely on getting better players

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    The Matt Damon Beckum commercial has to be the best so far.

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    Kenny Pickett about to get a Superbowl ring ...

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    Cliff Stoudt has 2 Super Bowl rings so he still has to catch the legendary suck ass Cliff Stiudt

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzraTank View Post
    The Matt Damon Beckum commercial has to be the best so far.
    I like the Jeep commercial with Harrison Ford as well. Not funny but well done I thought.

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    Re: I know this is Steelers forum but it's off-season ... so who wins Superbowl? Who ya got?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneforthetoe View Post
    When the Eagles lost the Super Bowl, I really thought they were the team to emulate. The Chiefs are a great team, but emulating them requires you emulate Mahomes, Kelce and Andy Reid. The Eagles though: massive offensive line, great running game, playmaking mobile QB, and of course a really good defense. Not easy to emulate, but something you can't shoot for.


    The Eagles collapsed at the end of last season. Instead of running it back with everyone still in place with the same people that contributed to the failure, they replaced the offense coordinator and the defensive coordinator. Then they completely retooled what they could from a personnel standpoint, and with the adjusted scheme and influx of talent they turned into a dominant football team again.

    Just keeping everything the same when a team keeps collapsing at the end of every season isn't a badge of honor. Stability sometimes shows an inability to adapt and change and can be a weakness.

    That's what needs to be taken from the Eagles way of doing things. Fix what isn't working. Don't sit around and hope that the failures that keep consistently happening under the watch of certain people are going to get figured out without intervention.

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    Re: I know this is Steelers forum but it's off-season ... so who wins Superbowl? Who ya got?

    What a defensive performance by the Eagles defense.

    Per Next gone stats: Philly did not a blitz once across 42 dropbacks. Just the 4th defense to not blitz in a game in the NGS era. Relying just on their front 4, they generated 16 pressures and sacked Mahomes six times.

    Also what they didn't mentioned, the pass rush created a int and a fumble.



    Last thing. Trenches.

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    The Patrick Mahomes led Chiefs didn't cross mid field until late in the 3rd quarter. Talk about total dominance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    The Eagles collapsed at the end of last season. Instead of running it back with everyone still in place with the same people that contributed to the failure, they replaced the offense coordinator and the defensive coordinator. Then they completely retooled what they could from a personnel standpoint, and with the adjusted scheme and influx of talent they turned into a dominant football team again.

    Just keeping everything the same when a team keeps collapsing at the end of every season isn't a badge of honor. Stability sometimes shows an inability to adapt and change and can be a weakness.

    That's what needs to be taken from the Eagles way of doing things. Fix what isn't working. Don't sit around and hope that the failures that keep consistently happening under the watch of certain people are going to get figured out without intervention.
    I don't really think their overall philosophy changed that much with the new coaches. The talent changed and the execution got better with the new coaches which was why I wanted us to change defensive coordinators. But that is not going to happen this year so I can only hope that better execution comes from some additions (and subtractions) of players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAndGold View Post
    What a defensive performance by the Eagles defense.

    Per Next gone stats: Philly did not a blitz once across 42 dropbacks. Just the 4th defense to not blitz in a game in the NGS era. Relying just on their front 4, they generated 16 pressures and sacked Mahomes six times.

    Also what they didn't mentioned, the pass rush created a int and a fumble.



    Last thing. Trenches.
    Yep. Steelers fans are always moaning that we do not blitz enough. However, the way the game is played today with so mobile QB the best defenses are the ones that can pressure while playing coverage. The Steelers were able to do that early in the year. Sadly, once the injuries started to pile up and the opponents got better, we were not able to pressure without blitzing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneforthetoe View Post
    I don't really think their overall philosophy changed that much with the new coaches. The talent changed and the execution got better with the new coaches which was why I wanted us to change defensive coordinators. But that is not going to happen this year so I can only hope that better execution comes from some additions (and subtractions) of players.


    They installed a new offensive coordinator and a new offense, that has different philosophies and different ways of attacking. Coaching that is completely different and brings a different approach to how the game is played completely. A coach that changes how the game is taught.

    They hired a new defensive coordinator with a new defense and a new defensive philosophy. They moved on from some veteran players and got younger and faster on defense. Because of that, they spent less money. They couldn't cover anyone and gave up yards and points at will over the last 6 games of the season. That doesn't change just because of better execution. There is better execution because the system they are playing in is better. The teaching and coaching is also better to put players in a position to play well and schemes that fit the players' strengths. How a team executes is so dependent on HOW they play in situations, and also understanding what is expected of them and how the coach expects them to react and play in every situation. That doesn't happen by accident or by trying harder.

    These changes are huge. You downplay it, but I don't think you understand how much things can change when new ideas and new approaches are coached and implemented to maximize the talent on the roster. When new coaches come in and new systems, schemes, and ideas are encouraged and bought into by the entire organization it can change everything for a team. The locker room can come together behind coaching that actually works and it elevates the talent and the entire team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzraTank View Post
    Kenny Pickett about to get a Superbowl ring ...
    How ironic that the player that Cam, Watt, and Minkah sabotaged because he supposedly didn't live up to "the standard" winds up getting a Super Bowl ring, while the three of his "teammates" who sabotaged him probably won't even get near a Super Bowl for the rest of their careers. I really DO believe in karma.

    And I don't want to hear any more nonsense about how "stupid" Kenny was for wanting to get the hell out of Pittsburgh and go to the Eagles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    Just keeping everything the same when a team keeps collapsing at the end of every season isn't a badge of honor. Stability sometimes shows an inability to adapt and change and can be a weakness.

    That's what needs to be taken from the Eagles way of doing things. Fix what isn't working. Don't sit around and hope that the failures that keep consistently happening under the watch of certain people are going to get figured out without intervention.
    How many coaches have the Steelers let go since the end to this season? One?

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    How is this "entertainment"?

    Seriously, someone, please explain rap to me. 1st grade level rhyming with really no talent needed. I just don't get it.
    you’re washed.. lol.

    that means you are older and out of touch with the genre that sells the most records these days.

    it will be okay, maybe they go back to country and rock in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    How ironic that the player that Cam, Watt, and Minkah sabotaged because he supposedly didn't live up to "the standard" winds up getting a Super Bowl ring, while the three of his "teammates" who sabotaged him probably won't even get near a Super Bowl for the rest of their careers. I really DO believe in karma.

    And I don't want to hear any more nonsense about how "stupid" Kenny was for wanting to get the hell out of Pittsburgh and go to the Eagles.
    indeed, they “upgraded” the QB room with Russ who I hear the FO doesn’t want to return. They handcuffed him too down the stretch.

    How do you pass for 300 yards in the first half vs Cincy and in the second game we barely pass the ball in the first half?

    Terrible offensive scheme that makes every QB look bad. Ben looked bad too under Canada until the 4th quarter when he went hurry up.

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    Re: I know this is Steelers forum but it's off-season ... so who wins Superbowl? Who ya got?

    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    They installed a new offensive coordinator and a new offense, that has different philosophies and different ways of attacking. Coaching that is completely different and brings a different approach to how the game is played completely. A coach that changes how the game is taught.

    They hired a new defensive coordinator with a new defense and a new defensive philosophy. They moved on from some veteran players and got younger and faster on defense. Because of that, they spent less money. They couldn't cover anyone and gave up yards and points at will over the last 6 games of the season. That doesn't change just because of better execution. There is better execution because the system they are playing in is better. The teaching and coaching is also better to put players in a position to play well and schemes that fit the players' strengths. How a team executes is so dependent on HOW they play in situations, and also understanding what is expected of them and how the coach expects them to react and play in every situation. That doesn't happen by accident or by trying harder.

    These changes are huge. You downplay it, but I don't think you understand how much things can change when new ideas and new approaches are coached and implemented to maximize the talent on the roster. When new coaches come in and new systems, schemes, and ideas are encouraged and bought into by the entire organization it can change everything for a team. The locker room can come together behind coaching that actually works and it elevates the talent and the entire team.
    If you look a bit further, you can spin all your saying into positives:

    1. The Eagles also won because they had a dominant offensive line full of massive dudes with a run first offensive philosophy. Ok. The Steelers are getting there. Assume they run out a line of Jones-Seumalo-Frazier-McCormick-Fautanu. That is some large angry gentlemen. Whether they can ever come together and play as well as the Iggles line, that remains to be seen. But...Khan and Weidl are certainly attempting to replicate that blueprint. And Smith is capable of implementing a run heavy approach.

    2. I am not all that impressed with Hurts. I mean I think he is a good QB, but he isn't "win the MVP of the league" tier like some of the other playoff starters. He is a cut below that. AND...he is at a level that I THINK the Steelers could approximate with a similar type of QB. Say, one Justin Fields. Give Fields the same level of OL play that Hurts has benefited from and the same caliber of skill position weapons....He could do a passable Jalen Hurts impression.

    3. Offensive weapons. This is where the comparison falls apart. And, clearly, the Steelers know that. Their continual quest to add to the WR and (hopefully) RB rooms shows that they know it. Unfortunately, they have not been fortunate enough to have some other GM have his brain cramp up the way that dude in Tennessee did and execute the smooth brained genius move of trading AJ Brown in the prime of his career. So they have a lot of work to do here. Especially if you want to achieve the QB outcomes listed above. Getting your own version of Hurts requires that you have a WR who can just make man coverage look dumb - like Brown did against some pretty dang good Chiefs CBs.

    4. On the defensive side of the ball there are parallels as well. The Iggles are simply ahead of the schedule. They sought out man coverage capable DBs and flexible safeties. The Steelers are on this path as well. They are just about two DBs short - maybe three. The Eagles identified and obtained fast, flexible interior LBs. As have the Steelers. The Eagles got deep at the edges. So are the Steelers. The Eagles trump card is that incredible interior DL. And that took multiple top 12 draft picks to make happen. The Steelers will have to consider doing similar. Maybe putting off QB for a year or so to go and get a premier DT talent?

    If you then want to turn it to coaching...I dunno. Sirriani is gonna get lauded now because they took home the trophy. But he is a hothead who just a handful of months ago was still being put on the hot seat. All that change you spoke of was not really the Eagles insisting on getting better it was their HC trying to save his job!

    Moore is super overrated in my opinion. He doesn't do anything all that clever, he just has been at the helm of incredibly talented teams with good players. I think, as much as I hate to admit this, that Smith COULD run an offense just as well IF he could get out of his own way a bit and stop insisting on square pegs into round holes so much. But that is Smith's major flaw as a coach. Can he be introspective enough to identify and change? I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.

    Fangio is the Eagles trump card. His style of defense is having a moment across the league right now. The Eagles, wisely, got the OG of this flavor of defense instead of one the diluted imitators. And they were able to field the players to make it work. It was an excellent marriage of roster talent with schematic approach. But, again, I don't think there is this massive schematic or innovative advantage that the Eagles are riding here. It is, from what I can see, largely that the Eagles just have incredible talent at critical spots. I can not think of a better 3 CB group than Slay/Johnston/DeJean. I am sure there are other groups that can equal them in the league right now, I am just drawing a blank, but they are up there. And the other thing that makes the magic happen is that Fangio can unleash the hounds up front and beat the snot out of the other OL without bringing more than 4 for the most part. Able to devote 7 to coverage and still make the other OL look foolish? That is going to make a TON of defensive coaches look smart.

    The Eagles showed everyone the culmination of the path the Steelers are trying to walk. How the Steelers collect the roster talent the Eagles have been able to do to make it work? I do not know. Doubling up on first round picks and then bullying your way through the draft to get your players via trades for a couple years in a row is hard to duplicate. Having another GM sell AJ Brown for pennies on the dollar because they are trying to save their job - hard to count on it happening again. But Khan and Weidl have had two strong off-seasons in a row. And the Eagles took more than a few years to put this all together as well.

    I mean if the league is going to turn back to beat the snot out of you on both sides of the ball up front...the Steelers are not that far off being able to make that work. Another off-season cycle on par with last years? This all looks different.

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    The most impressive thing with the Eagles last night was the commitment to the run even though KC was selling out to stop it. They didn’t get pass happy but when they passed, they made KC pay for blitzing.. and Hurts also shredded them on the ground as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    How ironic that the player that Cam, Watt, and Minkah sabotaged because he supposedly didn't live up to "the standard" winds up getting a Super Bowl ring, while the three of his "teammates" who sabotaged him probably won't even get near a Super Bowl for the rest of their careers. I really DO believe in karma.

    And I don't want to hear any more nonsense about how "stupid" Kenny was for wanting to get the hell out of Pittsburgh and go to the Eagles.
    And just think,Pickett didn't have to do a thing to get that ring. Not a bruise on his body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky Mtn. View Post
    And just think,Pickett didn't have to do a thing to get that ring. Not a bruise on his body.
    Kenny won a game with broken ribs vs Cowboys.

    I know it hurts but Kenny actually played this year and helped contribute as a member of the Eagles.

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    And just think,Pickett didn't have to do a thing to get that ring. Not a bruise on his body.
    Most if not all backups usually don't have to do a thing... Your point?

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    you’re washed.. lol.

    that means you are older and out of touch with the genre that sells the most records these days.

    it will be okay, maybe they go back to country and rock in the future.

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    indeed, they “upgraded” the QB room with Russ who I hear the FO doesn’t want to return. They handcuffed him too down the stretch.

    How do you pass for 300 yards in the first half vs Cincy and in the second game we barely pass the ball in the first half?

    Terrible offensive scheme that makes every QB look bad. Ben looked bad too under Canada until the 4th quarter when he went hurry up.
    I'm old and out of touch and yet you just referred to them as "records".


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