QB 2025

[pczach]

Yup, I think if they go with Milroe then he gets some read/option or play action packages and eased along to develop. He would not be expected to be the long term starter, but I think somebody will pick him before 83.

I think that would be the right way to package things for him. By going with read/option and play action, they will be simplifying his reads and give him an opportunity to make plays and keep his mind in a good place so that he isn't overwhelmed while still giving him the ability to take advantage of his athletic gifts. Maybe dial up some designed runs and enough bootleg action to keep defenses honest.

The threat of the run with Milroe under those conditions will help to give him favorable numbers in coverage. It will also give the running backs more opportunity because the defense now has to defend the quarterback as a runner.

Then it will be up to him to take advantage of that by attacking the playbook and working on the weaknesses in his game with specialized quarterback coaches on mechanics and learning how to throw with touch. Everybody gets enamored with the cannon arm, but many don't' realize that if a quarterback only has a fastball he is limiting himself at the position. He needs to develop touch and accuracy on his throws. That's what can open up the entire field.

It is the finesse throws that you drop in over the linebackers and in front of the safeties that really stress defenses in their responsibilities. If he can make the safeties worry about what's happening in front of them, he is much more likely to burn them over the top. He needs to get there with learning how to read defenses, recognition, trusting his reads, while also finding more ways to identify holes in the defense and how to get the ball there.

It would definitely take some time, but if he ever put it all together he would be a scary, scary player to defend.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Yup. He’s been my guy for the whole process.

Assuming you can get him in the third round….he’s a lottery ticket the same way Fields was.

He may never put it together; but if he does, the team is holding a winning ticket for an absolutely electric game changing player.

Rodgers/Rudolph/Milroe in 2025

Rudolph/Prized QB Prospect from the first round/Milroe 2026.

With the gentle reminder that as much as we all might not like aspects of this coaching staff; they made more progress molding Fields in 6 months than the Bears did in three years. And Fields and Milroe have similar issues.

There is talk that the Rams might target Milroe in the 2nd round. I think the Steelers will need to move up to get him if they like him. That being said I think if he lasts to the end of the 2nd they will need to get up to top of the 3rd and draft him.

Good athlete, good arm strength. Some good throws and some inconsistent throws, but I hear the pundits saying Anthony Richardson comparison. I think a faster version of Jalen Nurts, but not as consistent a thrower at this point. I think he is worth the shot

[El Kabong]

I do not want a qb who needs to be taught to throw. I want a guy who already knows how to throw. I will take a statue in the pocket who throws well over a super athlete who is a mediocre passer every time. Just say no to Milroe.

[oneforthetoe]

Looks like Howard and Milroe might both be there. Unless the Bengals decide to take a QB.

[oneforthetoe]

Milore is gone

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Milore is gone

Yup, a good spot for him. Darnold will be the starter and if he relapses to where he was with the Jets, then its Howell or Lock and Milroe gets time to develop.

IMO, the hawks will trade or release either Allen or Howell.

[ETL]

I wonder if all the people who wanted Sanders in round 1 are questioning their football IQ as he could have been had for a 4th round pick but the Sanders folks would have burned a round 1 pick and overpaid him.

[oneforthetoe]

I did not want Sanders and still don't. However, if they took him in the 4th or 5th round, I would not go to the ledge like some will. I never worried much about Deion or his son's attitude. Tomlin, for all his faults, is pretty good with attitude players. Ok, some of you are ready to fire up the, "no he isn't he just wants to be their friend line." But if you look at the facts most of the players the Steeler's have let go, primarily because of their attitude or behavior, were worse once they left Pittsburgh - Brown being the best example of that. The reason I don't want Sanders is because I don't think he is that good, period. However, at some point around the 4th or 5th round value (bpa) comes into mix. Of course, that value argument could be made for Howard as well. I'm also still quite good with not drafting any QB this year.

So, to conclude - don't want Sanders, but will not have any heart palpitations if they take a flier on him t this point.

[oneforthetoe]

The Steelers really do not like this qb draft class
In case anybody was still wondering

[ETL]

I thought for sure a qb would be drafted. Omar said there would be 4 in camp and there is only two now

[ETL]

Which is the most dysfunctional QB room:

Steelers: Rudolph, Thompson
Browns: Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders, Watson
Giants: Wilson, Winston Dart and DeVito

i guess the Steelers are but the Browns are a close second and the Giants with Wilson (fake rah-rah) are a close third.

The browns board are already predicting Pickett will be the one cut as Flacco is more reliable

[feltdizz]

Which is the most dysfunctional QB room:

Steelers: Rudolph, Thompson
Browns: Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders, Watson
Giants: Wilson, Winston Dart and DeVito

i guess the Steelers are but the Browns are a close second and the Giants with Wilson (fake rah-rah) are a close third.

The browns board are already predicting Pickett will be the one cut as Flacco is more reliable

We have a QB closet.. not a room.

[ETL]

Howard now in the QB closet

[feltdizz]

Howard now in the QB closet

Walk in closet!

[oneforthetoe]

Which is the most dysfunctional QB room:

Steelers: Rudolph, Thompson
Browns: Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders, Watson
Giants: Wilson, Winston Dart and DeVito

i guess the Steelers are but the Browns are a close second and the Giants with Wilson (fake rah-rah) are a close third.

The browns board are already predicting Pickett will be the one cut as Flacco is more reliable

Pickett likely traded for a very low draft pick before camp. They will likely keep Flacco because he is the adult in the room. Can't see them cutting one of their draft picks from this year. Of course, it is the Browns.

[Voice of Reason]

The browns board are already predicting Pickett will be the one cut as Flacco is more reliable

Is that like the Eagles board that predicted last year that Kenny would be demoted to third string?

[oneforthetoe]

Is that like the Eagles board that predicted last year that Kenny would be demoted to third string?

That is where you are now? Are you down to arguing that fans are wrong about KP being second string instead of third?

And you accuse the rest of the board members of being delusional. The Browns drafted two QB's after signing KP, but you still think they have confidence in him to be their starter? Without a drastic turn of events all the evidence is that KP is a career backup. The Steelers thought so at the end. The Eagles and Browns clearly think so now. It is pretty clear the rest of the NFL thinks so as well. I wish KP nothing but the best - he seems like a decent guy who has worked hard most of his career, but I am thinking even he is more realistic about his career path than you.

[ETL]

If the Browns didn’t draft two rookie QBs - I would expect Pickett to stay on their roster. But to use a 3rd round pick and then move up and use draft capital in the 5th round to grab Sanders … they can’t cut them now or they would look stupid ( if they don’t already)

They won’t keep 4 QBs and either Pickett or Flacco will be cut or traded. The Browns fans were realistic. Flacco is a proven veteran. Pickett was the unknown - could he be a possible star starter to emerge this year? Flacco was to be the reliable veteran. This would have worked even if they drafted one rookie but not two rookies

[feltdizz]

If the Browns didn’t draft two rookie QBs - I would expect Pickett to stay on their roster. But to use a 3rd round pick and then move up and use draft capital in the 5th round to grab Sanders … they can’t cut them now or they would look stupid ( if they don’t already)

They won’t keep 4 QBs and either Pickett or Flacco will be cut or traded. The Browns fans were realistic. Flacco is a proven veteran. Pickett was the unknown - could he be a possible star starter to emerge this year? Flacco was to be the reliable veteran. This would have worked even if they drafted one rookie but not two rookies

Flacco is old as dirt.. they could cut him and call him back if things fell apart. Gabriel could go to the practice squad as well, he is small as hell and I think he would be safe for a year.

Browns had a ton of picks so grabbing guys isn’t that big of a deal.

[Steeler-in-west]

I was totally anti-Mason especially when we tied the winless Detroit team at home several years ago. I felt he had his chance and didn’t have the killer instinct to slam dunk it.

but two years ago he was clutch in stringing a bunch of wins to get us in the playoffs. He looked different. More mature. More “I don’t give a shit” attitude which actually made him play better. If you can guarantee that Mason Rudolph again - it’ll be drinking my Steeler Kool-aid and give you arguments on why he’s the next Ben

Mason seems like a good teammate, and fearless (ask Garrett). I'd like to see him surprise everyone and become the next franchise QB. Wouldn't count on it but it would be great. He was making better decisions in those last few games.

[Voice of Reason]

That is where you are now? Are you down to arguing that fans are wrong about KP being second string instead of third?

You guys are bringing up what the Browns board is saying as if it meant something. I'm bringing up what the Eagles board was saying to remind you that it doesn't.

And you accuse the rest of the board members of being delusional. The Browns drafted two QB's after signing KP, but you still think they have confidence in him to be their starter? Without a drastic turn of events all the evidence is that KP is a career backup. The Steelers thought so at the end. The Eagles and Browns clearly think so now. It is pretty clear the rest of the NFL thinks so as well. I wish KP nothing but the best - he seems like a decent guy who has worked hard most of his career, but I am thinking even he is more realistic about his career path than you.

I'm one of the few people here that is realistic enough to realize that we still don't know for sure about Kenny's career path.

[oneforthetoe]

You guys are bringing up what the Browns board is saying as if it meant something. I'm bringing up what the Eagles board was saying to remind you that it doesn't.



I'm one of the few people here that is realistic enough to realize that we still don't know for sure about Kenny's career path.

Keep dreaming dreamer.

[Voice of Reason]

Keep dreaming dreamer.

Keep bashing basher.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Flacco is old as dirt.. they could cut him and call him back if things fell apart. Gabriel could go to the practice squad as well, he is small as hell and I think he would be safe for a year.

Browns had a ton of picks so grabbing guys isn’t that big of a deal.

I like Gabriel in terms of quick decision making and short to intermediate accuracy. I think he can be productive in a west coast type of offense and I think he makes that team. They spent a 3rd round pick on him and must like how he fits in their offense.

It all depends on training camp for them. I really dont get the Sanders hype, he doesnt have a strong arm, isnt athletic and makes some throws in a large windows that will not be that big in the NFL. So there is a potential that he doesnt make their roster and the 5th round pick isnt a terrible loss.

I was hopeful the Steelers would take a shot with Jalen Milroe, or otherwise stay put and get either McCord or Howard. This wasnt the year to go all in at QB early, IMO.

[Mojouw]

I like Gabriel in terms of quick decision making and short to intermediate accuracy. I think he can be productive in a west coast type of offense and I think he makes that team. They spent a 3rd round pick on him and must like how he fits in their offense.

It all depends on training camp for them. I really dont get the Sanders hype, he doesnt have a strong arm, isnt athletic and makes some throws in a large windows that will not be that big in the NFL. So there is a potential that he doesnt make their roster and the 5th round pick isnt a terrible loss.

I was hopeful the Steelers would take a shot with Jalen Milroe, or otherwise stay put and get either McCord or Howard. This wasnt the year to go all in at QB early, IMO.

The Sanders hype/narrative that he was the second best QB in the class is WILD to me. He has no standout traits and he plays like he has more athletic ability than anyone else on the field. He kinda got a way with it college, but he is gonna be a sack and turnover machine in the NFL unless he vastly alters how he plays.

I guess since the NFL content machine likes soap opera for dudes nonsense and his old man has a ton of media contacts, the narrative got out there that he was a big time draft prospect? But (aside from a few owners) the NFL does not do narratives and actually watches film.

The best contrasting story (and I realize this is part of the soap opera for dudes nonsense) was the story about Milroe's meeting with the Seahawks. Told them that any prospect that didn't identify multiple flaws and deficiencies in their game that needed correcting was lying to the team reps and insulting their intelligence by essentially telling them they can't watch the tape and see the realities. Contrasting the two attitudes, I know who I would tell my GM to draft if I heard that.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

The Sanders hype/narrative that he was the second best QB in the class is WILD to me. He has no standout traits and he plays like he has more athletic ability than anyone else on the field. He kinda got a way with it college, but he is gonna be a sack and turnover machine in the NFL unless he vastly alters how he plays.

I guess since the NFL content machine likes soap opera for dudes nonsense and his old man has a ton of media contacts, the narrative got out there that he was a big time draft prospect? But (aside from a few owners) the NFL does not do narratives and actually watches film.

The best contrasting story (and I realize this is part of the soap opera for dudes nonsense) was the story about Milroe's meeting with the Seahawks. Told them that any prospect that didn't identify multiple flaws and deficiencies in their game that needed correcting was lying to the team reps and insulting their intelligence by essentially telling them they can't watch the tape and see the realities. Contrasting the two attitudes, I know who I would tell my GM to draft if I heard that.

Agreed. If I look at Joshua Dobbs vs Sanders, I see a stronger arm with Dobbs and better athleticism. I see better deep touch with Sanders and willingness to stand in pocket, but is that because he isnt a scrambler?

I also see Dobbs as playing in the SEC and leading the Vols to a victory in a bowl game where he was the game MVP. Some good credentials but still not a prototypical NFL QB.

IMO, Sanders needed to go to Senior Bowl and compete, the Combine and compete. He may have not shown well or he may have improved his stock, but I still don't get the notion that a kid without elite traits who went 16-23 with 2TD and 2INT while getting blown out in the Alamo Bowl by BYU is somehow a top 10 pick?

[Born2Steel]

It's just because he plays QB. QB needy teams will usually over-reach for a QB, draft multiple QBs, sign aging veterans on their last leg, etc...

[feltdizz]

I like Gabriel in terms of quick decision making and short to intermediate accuracy. I think he can be productive in a west coast type of offense and I think he makes that team. They spent a 3rd round pick on him and must like how he fits in their offense.

It all depends on training camp for them. I really dont get the Sanders hype, he doesnt have a strong arm, isnt athletic and makes some throws in a large windows that will not be that big in the NFL. So there is a potential that he doesnt make their roster and the 5th round pick isnt a terrible loss.

I was hopeful the Steelers would take a shot with Jalen Milroe, or otherwise stay put and get either McCord or Howard. This wasnt the year to go all in at QB early, IMO.

Do you follow college ball? Colorado was a joke before the Sanders arrived. Going from 1-11 to a bowl game in 2 years is impressive. They won their first game as huge underdogs. Doesn’t matter that TCU was average that year, preseason polls are a thing in college so it was a huge story.

What’s crazy to me is how folks care about random Bowl games now.. lmao. This is the first time in a decade I’ve seen people point out a bowl game outcome as some litmus for a QB. I could see if it was the college playoffs but most top picks dont even play in bowl games these days. I believe Cam Ward played 1 quarter of his bowl game just to fulfill an NIL deal and he was criticized for it.

I watch college ball so I get why there was hype. The ratings for their games was huge and the money generated by the team was insane.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Do you follow college ball? Colorado was a joke before the Sanders arrived. Going from 1-11 to a bowl game in 2 years is impressive. They won their first game as huge underdogs. Doesn’t matter that TCU was average that year, preseason polls are a thing in college so it was a huge story.

What’s crazy to me is how folks care about random Bowl games now.. lmao. This is the first time in a decade I’ve seen people point out a bowl game outcome as some litmus for a QB. I could see if it was the college playoffs but most top picks dont even play in bowl games these days. I believe Cam Ward played 1 quarter of his bowl game just to fulfill an NIL deal and he was criticized for it.

I watch college ball so I get why there was hype. The ratings for their games was huge and the money generated by the team was insane.

I have been watching College football since Butch Woolfolk was one of the best RB in the nation.

Colorado turn around can be attributed to culture change, better recruiting, better situational football and a lot of things. I point out bowl games and conferences to hopefully make a distinction between the level of competition in the SEC compared to the Big12, which hopefully you recognize. If a team rolls in a weaker conference and then goes to a bowl game and shows out, it can show that some belong in conversations of better conferences.

Likewise, if a team or player puts up a good record and then gets blown out in a bowl game vs a non conference opponent, then it can also be an indicator of being overrated.

Case in point, I remember when UNC QB Mitchell Trubisky was hyped up for the season that he and UNC had, but when they played against Stanford in their bowl game and the game was close in the 4th, Trubisky threw 2 consecutive INT's. That didnt show me a QB with ability to drive his team to victory against a good opponent. It showed me a guy that folded like a cheap lawn chair down the stretch.

So please enlighten me as to what habits or traits that would make Sanders a good NFL QB. All I have seen and heard is Hype and Hype doesnt result in success. Hype fades, habits create lasting success.

[Mojouw]

I can't seem to find anyone who doesn't make their living pretending to be an expert about the NFL on TV saying that Sanders was anything more than an exciting back-up. Colorado and Sanders were mostly a story because of the money and ratings their names and media narrative drove. Colorado and Sanders didn't really seem all that impressive on the field.

If you wade past the nonsense on TV, talk radio, and really dig around the internet and podcast NFL content areas, you can find actual football folks seemingly discussing actual events on a football field. I could not seem to find any of them having better than a third round grade on Sanders. I can think of another QB that seemed to be in a similar disconnect between how he was talked about and how his film actually graded.

An interesting nugget on the 2025 QB class....take a look at Jaxson Dart in the second half of games. It is pretty bad. Especially against well coached opponents. Basically, Kiffin had a gameplan that flummoxed teams during the opening half drives. Then, the team adjusted as things began to repeat....and Dart struggled to adjust. That is not a great trait to bring to the table at the level of defense he will routinely see in the NFL. The Giants better let Dart sit for a long time and learn his craft. But the coach and GM are likely desperate to save their jobs, so he will get rushed onto the field. Should be interesting to see if he can flourish or struggles to process.