QB 2025

[Mojouw]

[QUOTE=pczach;878775]

No, what makes sense is that Justin Fields is the one that dealt with the Steelers and Mike Tomlin yet chose to go to the Jets because he believes he'll have a better shot there.

You want everyone to think it was only about money when you don't even know what Fields was offered. How does that make any sense?

You don't seem to want to understand that Justin Fields knows everything he was told and promised by Mike Tomlin and the Steelers to have a chance to compete for the starting job, yet he chose to go to a losing franchise for his shot at a bargain basement price.

The Steelers let the world know they wanted Fields, yet it was the Steelers waiting for Fields to tell them to pound sand with their contract offer and their discussed assurances going forward. Now the Steelers are scrambling to settle for another quarterback that wasn't their first choice. That isn't deniable.

Just as some are making assumptions about the money part, you are making a great deal of assumptions/inferences based on biased and skewed rumor, innuendo, and speculation that masquerades as sports reporting these days.

For all anyone knows it as you say and Fields dislikes Tomlin. But it could be just as true that the Steelers didn't want to guarantee as much cash. Or didn't offer as many years. We don't actually know. We may know over the course of the next few days. We may never know.

Heck, the Steelers offer could've been for more years and Fields wanted a shorter deal to get back on the market in his prime? We don't know. You have the way you strongly believe it went down. But no one knows.

Hopefully some actual information comes out and we eventually know. It has to be remembered that the point in the losing streak that it made the most sense to turn to Fields, he got hurt.

[pczach]

[QUOTE=Dwinsgames;878788]

it does make sense in the moment , but if you truly believe in yourself the better option would have been stay with the team that you have proven to be able to win with not go to a team that just got rid of 1/2 their starting WR corps and was 5-12 last year with a 1st ballot HoF QB who tossed 28 TDS and 11 ints and about 3900 yards ...

The post you quoted is listed as my quote, but it is actually the words of Born2Steel.

Just clarifying.

[Dwinsgames]

hate when that happens ...what you quoted above shows B2S , but that was my post lmao ...

[Born2Steel]

[QUOTE=pczach;878793]

How much did the Steelers offer? I know you have no idea.

You tried to make your whole argument based on a lie. You're the one that said Fields was brought in to be nothing but a backup. That was completely wrong and Mike Tomlin's own words show how wrong you were.

Fields was benched for Russell Wilson after posting a 4-2 record as a starter because Tomlin stated they needed more at the quarterback position. Wilson plays pretty well the first few games, then implodes and plays worse than Fields did when he was starting with a far worse won/loss record.

If Justin Fields never got into another game as a starter when Wilson had a 5-game stretch worse than Kenny Pickett ever had.....yeah......I'd say he didn't get a real chance.

He was brought in to backup Russ. That's a fact. Of course he gets the chance to compete. Why would he not? We won 6 games in a row with Russ. Then We lost 6 in a row with Russ. Russ/JF didn't win or lose anything on their own. There is always more to the equation than just the QB. Russ is a better QB than JF at this time. Maybe Fields becomes the better QB down the road? I wanted JF back. I wanted JF back over Russ. There is no debate that Russ is the better NFL QB today. Competition was had. Russ won, still I would have preferred to bring back JF.

For the record, I would have taken the $30M guaranteed as well.

[Mojouw]

Looking at the Fields contract terms that are currently available...I wouldn't have guaranteed him half of that deal...let alone 3/4 of it. Sad to see him go. I was really hoping the Steelers were the ones holding the lottery ticket if he ever put it all together. I truly believe Fields has the physical tools to be on the best QBs in the entire league. No idea if he can figure it out or not. But that is a steep price to pay.

[Born2Steel]

The quoter button done broke !!!!!

[ETL]

Damn. Kenny Pickett is gone also. He signed with the Browns. I was really hoping we could trade for him. (Sarcasm everyone)

[Steeler-in-west]

Damn. Kenny Pickett is gone also. He signed with the Browns. I was really hoping we could trade for him. (Sarcasm everyone)

now we get to see him twice a year. Probably a good chance he starts. Now i hope he doesn't do well.

[pczach]

[QUOTE=Mojouw;878795]

Just as some are making assumptions about the money part, you are making a great deal of assumptions/inferences based on biased and skewed rumor, innuendo, and speculation that masquerades as sports reporting these days.

For all anyone knows it as you say and Fields dislikes Tomlin. But it could be just as true that the Steelers didn't want to guarantee as much cash. Or didn't offer as many years. We don't actually know. We may know over the course of the next few days. We may never know.

Heck, the Steelers offer could've been for more years and Fields wanted a shorter deal to get back on the market in his prime? We don't know. You have the way you strongly believe it went down. But no one knows.

Hopefully some actual information comes out and we eventually know. It has to be remembered that the point in the losing streak that it made the most sense to turn to Fields, he got hurt.

I never said he dislikes Mike Tomlin. Nowhere did I say that. I said he may not believe what he is being told about assurances to be the starting quarterback. Huge difference.

If you are going to accuse me of making stuff up, at least get what I am actually talking about correct.

What you call rumor, I call common sense and fact based on being in head coach's offices talking about my role with a team. These things are talked about all the time and based on what Tomlin is quoted as saying. Some guys are straight shooters. Some are not.

I have demonstrated Tomlin's own words saying he would be given a chance to compete. I didn't make that up. Someone stated that Fields was brought in to be a backup only. That is a lie. I demonstrated that with the head coach's own words.

Some of you guys that never played have no idea the discussions and promises that can be made between a quarterback and a head coach inside a coach's office, on the phone, or in a quiet moment between the two. That stuff happens all the time as players hope a coach lets them know where they stand.

I am the only one that is saying that we don't know the contract offer from the Steelers. Others are STATING it is about the money.

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now we get to see him twice a year. Probably a good chance he starts. Now i hope he doesn't do well.

I will no longer be hoping for Kenny Pickett to do well!!!

[steelcityboyz]

I think it's ironic that the steelers bring in Wilson and Fields and most fans were getting ready to purchase their super bowl tickets.

Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph see the writing on the wall and fly the coup. The sad part about it is KP or Mason probably could've won as many games as the above two

Now we are left with our dick in our hand needing a QB. what mismanagement.

[BlackAndGold]

Rodgers won't be released by the Jets until Wednesday. It seems he'll be headed to Pittsburgh.

[Mojouw]

[QUOTE=pczach;878807]

I never said he dislikes Mike Tomlin. Nowhere did I say that. I said he may not believe what he is being told about assurances to be the starting quarterback. Huge difference.

If you are going to accuse me of making stuff up, at least get what I am actually talking about correct.

What you call rumor, I call common sense and fact based on being in head coach's offices talking about my role with a team. These things are talked about all the time and based on what Tomlin is quoted as saying. Some guys are straight shooters. Some are not.

I have demonstrated Tomlin's own words saying he would be given a chance to compete. I didn't make that up. Someone stated that Fields was brought in to be a backup only. That is a lie. I demonstrated that with the head coach's own words.

Some of you guys that never played have no idea the discussions and promises that can be made between a quarterback and a head coach inside a coach's office, on the phone, or in a quiet moment between the two. That stuff happens all the time as players hope a coach lets them know where they stand.

I am the only one that is saying that we don't know the contract offer from the Steelers. Others are STATING it is about the money.

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I will no longer be hoping for Kenny Pickett to do well!!!

I’m on your side. We don’t know anything about anything.

Honestly Fields got 6 games and he was difficult to watch at times and electric on occasion.

We have no idea what is said behind closed doors.

Anything said in public on the record is advancing an agenda or a lie. Hard to gauge much beyond that. Tomlin could think a guy was the worst QB ever and he’d defend him to the death in the media. Behind closed doors? No one really knows.

I’m doing this on my phone, so if I’ve missed your point; that’s why - not personal.

I think there is a MASSIVE gap between what gets said in the media and what gets said point blank to players when the cameras are off.

[oneforthetoe]

Russ or Aaron? Russ is obviously a little younger. I think it will be Aaron because they had to have somebody in place to attract Metcalf, and if it had been Russ, they could have already announced it. As I said in the other thread, Metcalf, Pickens and Rodgers on the same team. Bring back hard knocks. I bet Smith is already dreaming about the North Carolina job.

[pczach]

Russ or Aaron? Russ is obviously a little younger. I think it will be Aaron because they had to have somebody in place to attract Metcalf, and if it had been Russ, they could have already announced it. As I said in the other thread, Metcalf, Pickens and Rodgers on the same team. Bring back hard knocks. I bet Smith is already dreaming about the North Carolina job.

Now that's entertainment!

[Mojouw]

[El Kabong]

It is possible that the Steelers just don't think very highly of Fields's play and were just willing to let him go.

[Steeler-in-west]

It is possible that the Steelers just don't think very highly of Fields's play and were just willing to let him go.

he could move the ball with his legs and a few safe passes but the good teams were going to shut that down during the stretch run. It was going to be just as bad if not worse than what happened with Russ in there. And Fields had some initial success with the help of the defense, which was playing at a high level early on. He may learn to read defenses, maybe it would’ve happened under close guidance with Smith. But we’ll never know now.

i think chances are good we end up with Rodgers. He and Tomlin have a friendship. Dont know if it will work out but at least he can see over the middle

[EzraTank]

Rodgers was coming off a torn Achilles and did look like shit earlier last year but he did have 28 TD passes (more than Mahomes) and looked a lot better down the stretch after the Jets players basically mailed it in. Compare that to Wilson's last 5 games.

So at this point the only two QBs left are Wilson and Rodgers. I'll pick Rodgers if that's our only choices.

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[oneforthetoe]

I'm still not big on the Rodgers idea but one thing about it is I do trust Rodgers with getting MT out of his ultra conservative offensive philosophy. I think MT would show similar deference to Rodgers that he showed to Ben when it comes to running the offense. Also, maybe Rodgers can keep Pickens and Metcalf in line just by the fact that he is a bigger asshole than the two of them combined. Sorry George you're a minor league malcontent now, you are catching passes from goat of prima donas. Ok, I'm just trying to convince myself in case it happens.

[ETL]

Rodgers was coming off a torn Achilles and did look like shit earlier last year but he did have 28 TD passes (more than Mahomes) and looked a lot better down the stretch after the Jets players basically mailed it in. Compare that to Wilson's last 5 games.

So at this point the only two QBs left are Wilson and Rodgers. I'll pick Rodgers if that's our only choices.

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Agree with you. Between Rodgers and Wilson I would want Rodgers.

[Mojouw]

Once again, the Steelers are hoping for the totally unique “one of one” outcome. This never works.

Ben coming back and playing the same after his elbow injury would’ve been a unique outcome.

KP’s late college success translating directly to the NFL with no hiccups would’ve been without parallel.

Russell Wilson rediscovering his game at his age and track record of decline would’ve been also exceptional.

Now, Rodgers is going to magically get healthy and reverse years of decline because of the logo on his helmet.

This is getting ridiculous. Just take your medicine. Sign someone like Famous Jameis, lose all the games, get resources, and fix the problem. Just stop hoping to be special.

[oneforthetoe]

Once again, the Steelers are hoping for the totally unique “one of one” outcome. This never works.

Ben coming back and playing the same after his elbow injury would’ve been a unique outcome.

KP’s late college success translating directly to the NFL with no hiccups would’ve been without parallel.

Russell Wilson rediscovering his game at his age and track record of decline would’ve been also exceptional.

Now, Rodgers is going to magically get healthy and reverse years of decline because of the logo on his helmet.

This is getting ridiculous. Just take your medicine. Sign someone like Famous Jameis, lose all the games, get resources, and fix the problem. Just stop hoping to be special.

That is not an incorrect analysis. However, at this point you already brought in a huge FA WR. So, something like in for dime in for a dollar. I just hope if it is Russ or Rodgers that it is not more than two years. I know it will be around 35 -40 million a year for either, but please no longer than two years so than we can get out from under it easily. Honestly the one advantage to either of those two is that they are FA's. I don't want to give up any more draft capital. Save it for next year.

[Mojouw]

That is not an incorrect analysis. However, at this point you already brought in a huge FA WR. So, something like in for dime in for a dollar. I just hope if it is Russ or Rodgers that it is not more than two years. I know it will be around 35 -40 million a year for either, but please no longer than two years so than we can get out from under it easily. Honestly the one advantage to either of those two is that they are FA's. I don't want to give up any more draft capital. Save it for next year.

Those are also all good points. I would point out that they signed Metcalf through his prime. So he can burn a year with a development QB. Same logic for the entire offense sans Semalu.

Defense it is basically Cam and Watt. Rest are also under 30.

I’m not saying tank but what’s the long term here? Doesn’t seem to be one but it’s early days yet.

[Steeler-in-west]

The confusion on whether Fields was benched or just the backup is Tomlins fault. Hes the one who kept things unclear so he could have wiggle room in case Fields really caught fire. He did the same thing with Pickett and Mason. “Going with the hot hand”. But sometimes you got to set parameters and make things clear so guys understand their roles and no one is upset later. The Qb situation has seemed like a mess since Ben retired 4 years ago.

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Russ or Rodgers, doesnt matter at this point. Their both at the end of their careers and i would assume the steelers are prudent enough not to give them more than a year or two. Both being old they both need very good O line play to have a chance to be effective. Russ behind our average line play last year was pretty bad.

[ncgjka]

Rodgers 1year panic solution, no starting guarantee, trade for Milton, if that fails (likely) gå all in 2026 draft.
Enough already with his winning season nonsense

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[Steeldude]

This is great news. No more Fields. Thank you, Jets.

[Voice of Reason]

Because he was told certain things when brought over to the team last season. He had a 4-2 record as a starter and a good TD/Turnover margin, and was benched for Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson then imploded on a 5-game disaster and Just Fields never saw the field as a starter again.

Word is he isn't sure that he can trust that the Steelers will play him and give him a real opportunity to be a long-term starter. He most likely doesn't feel that he was treated fairly or appropriately based on what he was told when he got there.

Sounds a little familiar...doesn't it?

So now that Fields has left the Steelers for basically the same reason that Kenny did, are the people here going to call him a "quitter" who was "afraid of competition"?

If some of those people here actually had integrity, they would be giving Kenny an apology.

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now we get to see him twice a year. Probably a good chance he starts. Now i hope he doesn't do well.

If he's as bad as most of the people here say he is, what are you worried about?

[Voice of Reason]

I think it's ironic that the steelers bring in Wilson and Fields and most fans were getting ready to purchase their super bowl tickets.

Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph see the writing on the wall and fly the coup. The sad part about it is KP or Mason probably could've won as many games as the above two

Now we are left with our dick in our hand needing a QB. what mismanagement.

I've been saying all this for a year, and the geniuses here have viciously bashed me for it.

Maybe I deserve an apology too.

[ETL]

Basically Pickett and Fields and Mason Rudolph … well … they aren’t that good. So all this gnashing of teeth over whether Tomlin and the Steelers mishandled them is useless to me. If they were good - everyone would have seen it and known it and we have no QB controversy. But because they were mediocre - yes, Tomlin had to “ride the hot hand” now and then because these wannabes were sucking it up.

And even now the Steelers have no clear #1 and with that will come QB controversy and the coaches will get blamed for anything bad that happens - it’s just the nature of this business.

now if we let a Drew Brees type QB go like the Chargers did or if we let a Baker Mayfield go like Cleveland did then I could understand the discontent. But really? Over Kenny and Fields?

[feltdizz]

Rodgers is old and stiff. If we are willing to pay big money for DK why can’t we pay a decent clip for a legit QB?