Off Season Moves (Non Tomlin Division)

[Mojouw]

Ok. Rooney hired you to fix it. Only stipulated that Tomlin stays. Now what?

Here’s mine:
1. Hire Robert Saleh. If Austin wants to stay in some capacity, fine. But Saleh is in charge.
2. Hire Byron Leftwhich as the passing game coordinator or some other nonsense title. His job is to help Smith update and revitalize his stale approach.
3. Give Justin Fields the keys. Barring injury, he gets the whole season for better or worse. No vet or high pick looming over his shoulder.
4. Trading out of the first round for future picks.
5. Firing Pat Meyers. Firing Alfredo Roberts.

What do you got?

[MikeT]

#1 Your off already on your first one. Tomlin is in charge of the defense. That's the problem. Its why we have a DC that presided over one of the worst defenses in the league when he was a DC before. Cause a good strong DC wants no part of having a head coach that will not let you do your job.

#2 Just like #1 Tomlin has his hands in the offense with the mandate that they avoid the middle of the field and minimize turnover chances. He is more of the problem than anything else. Thats why the offense has not looked much different thru multiple QB's and coordinators.

#3 Meh, Fields is not the answer, its just wishful thinking. This coaching staff is absolute dog turds when developing a QB they sure arent gonna fix one thats been in the league for a while that hasnt really improved at all.

#4 First rd is where you have your best chance of getting a quality player. This staff needs the odds in their favor as much as possible given their history of evaluating talent.

#5 1000% agree just not sure who Tomlin could get that would be any better. Only thing he sucks at worse than evaluating NFL talent is evaluating Coaching Talent.

[ALLD]

Cannot be any worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC_RwouYHSw

[Mojouw]

I see you all are full of the usual ideas and have managed to turn the post titled "Not Tomlin" into another "Fire Tomlin" thread.

I am beginning to see why no one has anything else to say. You guys don't know anything else to say. Total lack of imaginations. Y'all must be a blast at parties.

[El Kabong]

#1 Your off already on your first one. Tomlin is in charge of the defense. That's the problem. Its why we have a DC that presided over one of the worst defenses in the league when he was a DC before. Cause a good strong DC wants no part of having a head coach that will not let you do your job.

Cowher was also a defensive coach. Cowher was always in charge of his defenses just like offensive minded coaches are in charge of their offenses. Don't you think McVay, Shanahan, Reid are in direct charge of their offenses?

#3 Meh, Fields is not the answer, its just wishful thinking.

Agreed.

[Dwinsgames]

Fire Pat Meyer , Alfredo Roberts , Terrell Austin is a good starting place ...

I think I also can add Isaac William (assistant O-Line coach) Tom Arth the QB coach and Phil Matusz (anyone who thinks a QB should be pushing a blocking sled deserves to be fired)


I get some folks in the building that know what the True meaning of being a Steeler is .... and this might sound stupid because he has no real experience in the field but

James Harrison replaces Matusz as head strength and conditioning coach , James knows what being a Steeler means he knows what "THE STANDARD" is so lets foundationalize it (doubt that's a word but y'all know what it means) ...

I ask permission to speak with Randal EL and try and convince him to come home and be some part of this offensive staff moving forward with OC in waiting as his unofficial title

I ask Hines Ward to come in as another offensive assistant again we need innovation (EL and Ward can hopefully help with that as well as help instill The Steeler way)

I flat out hire Heath Miller as my TE coach , yeah you guys are now feeling the theme here (I am unsure if Miller can coach or not but he certainly could play and overcame Blocking struggles he had early on to become one of the better blocker in the league at the TE pos.) and more Steeler Standard being taught ...

I back up the brinks truck if I have to but this is a hire that has to happen and I do not take no for an answer ... Mike Munchak is the new O-Line coach and I dont care if it costs me 10 million per season to make it happen...

Dick Lebeau ..... Yes old as Moses himself but I do not ask him to come put in 80 hours a week I ask him to be special counsel to his hand picked Def Coordinator , he has had a lot of defensive assistants over the years and he knows the game and the system better than probably anyone alive so why not lean on his knowledge to help find us the right coordinator for the job ....

Rod Woodson as a defensive backs assistant , again knowledge of the game , Knows how to be a Steeler, and his techniques could help transform JPjr into the corner he has the raw athletic ability to be

I just know you all gonna hate this cause great players do not always become great coaches but my selections are not just about the coaching but also about reinstilling the meaning of being a Pittsburgh Steeler...

[Dwinsgames]

I miss this

[steelcityboyz]

Should be the standard for sure, but sadly that standard went south.

[Born2Steel]

I miss this

vs Falcons we did this
vs Broncos we did this
vs Chargers we did this
vs Raiders we did this
vs Commanders we did this
vs Browns loss we did this

Even when we didn't hit in all the stats, these games were comparable. We're really not that far off the pace.

[Dwinsgames]

vs Falcons we did this
vs Broncos we did this
vs Chargers we did this
vs Raiders we did this
vs Commanders we did this
vs Browns loss we did this

Even when we didn't hit in all the stats, these games were comparable. We're really not that far off the pace.

nowhere near on these ... all are a far cry from 13.9 ppg , so maybe not as close as you eluded to

L 14 - 28
L 24 - 27
W 28 - 27
L 19 - 24
W 44 - 38
L 13 - 27
L 17 - 34
L 10 - 29

in said games we were 2-6

[Born2Steel]

nowhere near on these ... all are a far cry from 13.9 ppg , so maybe not as close as you eluded to

L 14 - 28
L 24 - 27
W 28 - 27
L 19 - 24
W 44 - 38
L 13 - 27
L 17 - 34
L 10 - 29

in said games we were 2-6

Right. When you don't score or stop the other team from scoring you lose most of those games. We started the season with dominating defensive play. We even played the Commanders better than most have this season and especially the post season.

I'm not sure what happened or what teams saw that they could exploit, but we lost our edge as the season went on. You already know I am a glass half full guy. I still don't think we are that far away even with the way the season ended.

[Born2Steel]

I'm still for giving Tomlin through his contract to right the ship. I have been impressed by Khan so far. I'm not sure what moves directly involve Weidl. Probably OL.

I'm for replacing the DC. I'm looking at Matt Eberflus/Robert Saleh level replacement.

I am replacing the OL coach and continue adding players to the OL. I would be willing to let Arthur Smith pick his own OL coach.

I'm also for getting a battering ram RB for short yardage plays instead of passing or using Fields to run it.

Continue adding to the DL as well. Improving pass rush is the goal.

[El Kabong]

Right. When you don't score or stop the other team from scoring you lose most of those games. We started the season with dominating defensive play. We even played the Commanders better than most have this season and especially the post season.

I'm not sure what happened or what teams saw that they could exploit, but we lost our edge as the season went on. You already know I am a glass half full guy. I still don't think we are that far away even with the way the season ended.

I'm wondering if this isn't becoming a trend. A new season starts. The defense is healthy and fresh. They dominate. The Steelers win a lot of games. Over the course of a long season, though, due to...attrition?...injury?...fatigue?...by December, the defense is no longer as effective as they were, and because the Steelers rely so heavily on how the defense is playing, as the defense goes the Steelers go, and when the D is less effective in December and January, the team is less effective resulting in losses in December, limping into the playoffs and embarrassing first round playoff losses.

In other words, is too much being asked of the defense over the course of a long season?

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I'm for replacing the DC. I'm looking at Matt Eberflus/Robert Saleh level replacement.

I think Tomlin is the DC for this team. Anyone holding the DC position will just be doing what Tomlin tells them to do. So therefore, I don't know how strong a hire for DC there would ever be.

[Mojouw]

I'm wondering if this isn't becoming a trend. A new season starts. The defense is healthy and fresh. They dominate. The Steelers win a lot of games. Over the course of a long season, though, due to...attrition?...injury?...fatigue?...by December, the defense is no longer as effective as they were, and because the Steelers rely so heavily on how the defense is playing, as the defense goes the Steelers go, and when the D is less effective in December and January, the team is less effective resulting in losses in December, limping into the playoffs and embarrassing first round playoff losses.

In other words, is too much being asked of the defense over the course of a long season?

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I think Tomlin is the DC for this team. Anyone holding the DC position will just be doing what Tomlin tells them to do. So therefore, I don't know how strong a hire for DC there would ever be.

Take a look at TOP stats year over year. And game to game.

It supports your observations.

The defense just is asked to play too many snaps.

Even Troy P used to talk extensively about how his Steelers defense could only do what they did because the offense both held on to the ball for a long time and scored points.

Currently the Steelers offense does neither.

[ETL]

1. Get a QB - either give Justin Fields the keys without limits or draft a QB (Milroe, Ewers, McCord)
2. Learn the tush push. There were so many short yards that we didn’t get.
3. Get offensive playmakers. Sign Tee Higgins. Pay him.
4. Throw out everything that exists about defensive schemes and start over. Get some new blood, new thoughts, new perspective.

[steelcityboyz]

1. Get a QB - either give Justin Fields the keys without limits or draft a QB (Milroe, Ewers, McCord)
2. Learn the tush push. There were so many short yards that we didn’t get.
3. Get offensive playmakers. Sign Tee Higgins. Pay him.
4. Throw out everything that exists about defensive schemes and start over. Get some new blood, new thoughts, new perspective.

The tush push scares me with Justin as the QB But i would like to see it like you said too many short yards not made,

[El Kabong]

The tush push scares me with Justin as the QB But i would like to see it like you said too many short yards not made,

Why? His possible fumbling?

[steelcityboyz]

Why? His possible fumbling?

Yeah he had too many mistakes from under center maybe he works on that i hope.

[Voice of Reason]

. Learn the tush push. There were so many short yards that we didn’t get.

I think the saddest play in the playoff loss to the Ravens was when the Steelers refused to go for it on 4th and AN INCH.

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If the Steelers were going to fire any coordinators or other assistant coaches, wouldn't they have already done it by now?

[MikeT]

Cowher was also a defensive coach. Cowher was always in charge of his defenses just like offensive minded coaches are in charge of their offenses. Don't you think McVay, Shanahan, Reid are in direct charge of their offenses?


Agreed.

There's a difference in a head coach being involved and micro managing. Tomlin is supposedly heavily involved in the offense as well (the whole limit the use of the middle of the field thing). The comment wasn't trying to say Tomlin was unique in being in charge of the defense. it was stating that he is and hes not very good at it (that's why he has a DC that was absolutely horrible in his last job).

[Born2Steel]

Hired a new quality control coach. Danny Smiths nephew or something. Luke Smith.

[El Kabong]

Hired a new quality control coach. Danny Smiths nephew or something. Luke Smith.

Luke....I am your...uncle.

[oneforthetoe]

Luke....I am your...uncle.

Nice

So, who wants to start the fire Luke Smith thread?