Shitty winning season coaches and crap has been's and never was at QB. Don't feel bad Steeler Nation you have another clone team and fans that feel your pain.
Shitty winning season coaches and crap has been's and never was at QB. Don't feel bad Steeler Nation you have another clone team and fans that feel your pain.
They collapse and shit the bed almost as bad as us, no fight in their players as well and their coach is and has been a dipshit. But Coach of the year and he won 14 games!
Array title="tube517 has a reputation beyond repute">
Rams are sneaky dangerous. They have the offense to light up any team in the NFL. They put 40+ on the Bills and won.
However, they gave up more points than they scored so they will have to turn every game into greatest show on turf
Sent from my Pixel 9 Pro XL using Tapatalk
Their defense looked really good last night though but I don't know if that was because the Vikings shit the bed or they are really good. As much shit as Darnold is getting, he really was under constant pressure and the Vikings OL looked as bad as the Steelers. When Darnold got time he did find receivers open. The Vikings horrible defense cost them that game though. Once the Rams got a big lead, just like the Ravens, they just started sending the house at Darnold with a banged up OL he didn't stand a chance.Originally Posted by tube517
The only way to contain a greatest show on turf is to film their walk througs,as we all know.
Not even close. Vikings have a much better offensive roster aside from Sam Darnold. Looks like the fairytale clock ran out on him a couple weeks ago…lol
Enthroned Into The Good Old Boys Club - 2024
Vikings have a better skill position roster. ButbQB and line are suspect.
I posted this on another thread but I'll add it here as well.
During the regular season the Vikings were everything many Steelers fans say they want. All buzzy scheme success on offense and defense.
But that was all resting on propping up a reclamation product at QB. Then their o line got hurt and teams started attacking Darnold. Hit a stretch of other quality playoff teams and it fell apart.
Without a QB; there's nothing a team can do. You're not playing the same sport as the teams with good QBs.
Array title="pczach has a reputation beyond repute">
Everybody would like to have a superior scheme. It gives teams an advantage that can even be effective with slightly less talent.
Not all schemes are created equal, and not all coaches are able to create and adjust schemes to work with the talent they have or diagnose what other teams are trying to do to them.
This is why McVay is considered such a great coach. He is able to use his great schemes and determine how best able to attack other teams and come up with a game plan to do so. Not everyone is capable of doing it at his level, and that is why his scheme and coaching tree are in demand.
I agree with all that. BUT...even all these scheme wizard guys are not winning much in the poststeason without high end QB play. Many are getting it through supporting "lesser" QBs during the regular season and then the wheels come off in the playoffs. Interestingly....Smith is technically on this in-demand coaching tree.
Array title="pczach has a reputation beyond repute">
I agree with all that. BUT...even all these scheme wizard guys are not winning much in the poststeason without high end QB play. Many are getting it through supporting "lesser" QBs during the regular season and then the wheels come off in the playoffs. Interestingly....Smith is technically on this in-demand coaching tree.
Of course.
Just because they learned under a great coach doesn't mean that all those descendants are going to be great coaches. It's just that being in a great scheme is a great base to start with. What they do with that scheme and its implementation, the talent the team is able to provide for them to use in those schemes, and the ability to also identify a quality OC(if they don't handle that themselves), DC, and assistant coaches are all a large part of the success or failure of the entire operation.
Just like any person in charge, your own performance is largely judged by how the people under you perform.
But what if the Rams had Rudolph instead of Stafford?
Tomlin's tree:
Array title="oneforthetoe has a reputation beyond repute">
What I took awy from last nights game was sheety offensive line play makes for ugly sheety offensive performance, regardless of the color of your jersey
Array title="ALLD has a reputation beyond repute">
The 1970s Steelers were the evolution of the 1971-73 Miami Dolphins.
The 2024 Steelers remind me of either the 1940 French Army or the 2003 Iraqi Army. They should do 100 laps carrying white flags in training camp.
Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
All Defense!
Array title="ALLD has a reputation beyond repute">
I think if Tomlin gives the same word salad to the players as he gives in press conferences he might be losing some of the serious talent. They need to get down to business and consistency rather than stroking egos and checking line item stats.
All Defense!
if were talking about this players coach business, this type of coaching doesnt breed success. Players have to just buy into the game plan and respect the coach. A coach shouldn't be their buddy. Honestly Flores seemed like that, Noll was like that. I’d like to see them bring in an offense based guy who knows his stuff and will insure the players master the game plan; know where their supposed to be and handle their assignments. No cute press conferences. A guy like pickens, probably would know not to test a more serious type coach, honestly cause he wouldn't last a minute.
Array title="Born2Steel has a reputation beyond repute">
NFL coaches don't have the 'authority' over players like they do in school. Yes, he's the boss, but he's also an employee. The coach doesn't always have free rein to do what he wants with the different personalities on a football team. He can't make a player stay after practice and run up downs for instance. Guys workout when and where they want. There's an NFLPA that limits that 'authority', things written into contracts, players can actually tell coaches to go to hell and coaches can do very little to nothing about it.
When an NFL coach is a players coach it's not the same meaning as with college coaches. Players/coach relationships in the NFL are very much individualized and more personal. Plus, different players respond and learn in different ways so the coaching/teaching is much more specialized and personalized.
Array title="oneforthetoe has a reputation beyond repute">
Great Post. This is so true. This idea that you can impose disciple on "the men" is just an easy argument fans use to explain the short comings of their teams. You listed the reasons, and I won't rehash them. I'd just add that even back in the day, when fans think there was this draconian discipline in the league, it was more show than reality. Think of the story of Max McGee, the wr for the Packers who was one of the heroes of the first Super Bowl. No bigger image of discipline in the early NFL of Vince Lombardi. Yet, McGee, thinking he wouldn't be playing, breaks curfew to party with some stewardesses and ends up actually playing well in the game. In his own words he was still drunk. I think it was unlikely Max was the only player who did that. It's also unlikely that Lombardi was completely oblivoius that his players broke curfew.
Want more examples? Apparently, the 85 Bears players were partying like it was "1999" in Miami before their only loss of the season to the Dolphins. But wait? I thought Ditka was a tough guy who didn't let his players get away with anything. I'm equally sure that Bill Parcells was more than aware of Lawernce Taylor's extra-curricular activities but lived by the rule of different rules for different players.
The Jimmy Johnson era Cowboys moved more weight than some cartels.
Of course there are still different coaching styles. Not that much has changed. Spending time on skills outside of practice was never enforceable, even in Noll’s time. Whats important is what was focused on and emphasized in practices. Noll always emphasized the fundamentals, routine plays. Does Tomlin? We see missed assignments, some guys loafing on plays, the steelers not taking care of business and losing to teams they shouldnt lose to. This has been happening for years. Bradshaw always said he didnt like Noll but he respected him, and he knew that if he followed Noll’s direction it would lead to wins. The team bought into Nolls plan. I dont see that collective buy in now. Some guys are playing hard, but some are not. Then we see the missed assignments and confusion on D, questionable playcalling on Offense. That is the responsibility of Tomlin’s coordinators, and Tomlin himself.
Noll left 11 years after his last super bowl victory. Its been 14 years since Tomlin’s last Super bowl appearance. And we havent gotten close since. And Tomlin had a heck of alot more talent in that span than Noll did.
Its just getting to be that time for a change. Im totally convinced were not going anywhere under this coach.
Good post! It all starts with Big Mike and his staff, and his teams are not getting it done. I would give him one more year to turn it around which i think won't happen but that's just me.
The Steeler defense looks lax and confused. I'm old enough to remember how intimidating they used to be, Now instead of being the bully, they are the one's being bullied, The offense has no identity, they have a starting qb who should move on with his life's work, he just sucks,and a poorly coached O-line, one diva reciever, and average running backs and tight ends, Bottom line this team is SAD and changes need made.
Array title="oneforthetoe has a reputation beyond repute">
Ultimately, you are correct it is Tomlin's responsibility. And, the lack of communication and attention to details is bewildering and unacceptable
However, I do have some issues with the comparison to Noll's era. First, all you have to do is ask employers the difference between this generation and past generations to understand the work ethic is vastly different. Maybe I sound like an old guy shaking my fist yelling get off of my lawn but there is a major difference in how this younger generation views their responsibilities to management than previous generations. Second, it is difficult to compare players actions pre free agency. You mentioned Bradshaw. Had there been free agency in Bradshaw's era he likely would have asked for a trade early in his career faster than you can say Kenny Pickett. Finally, as to Tomlin having better players, I think that is debatable if the comparison is made to competition they faced. Tomlin definitely had the better players for the era leading up to around 2018 than Noll did his final 8 or 9 years even with a declining franchise QB. However, not so sure about that for the last 4 or 5 years. At the end of Noll's era he wasn't competing against Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow in the same division.
None of this previous was meant to say Tomlin is equal to Noll or function as an excuse for the failures the last decade. Noll is and will remain the best coach the Steelers have ever had. Finally, Tomlin and the Steelers need to get this figured out.
Array title="oneforthetoe has a reputation beyond repute">
The thing about Bradshaw is he had no leverage. He couldn't become a FA. He either played for the Steelers or went to Canada. But in today's game even if you played under Canada (see what I did there) a player has more leverage. If the team knows he wants to leave, and he has trade value, then it's either trade him and get what you can or let him go for maybe a comp pick in the future. It is just a completely different situation.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
