Vikes & Steelers are The Same Team

[steelcityboyz]

Of course there are still different coaching styles. Not that much has changed. Spending time on skills outside of practice was never enforceable, even in Noll’s time. Whats important is what was focused on and emphasized in practices. Noll always emphasized the fundamentals, routine plays. Does Tomlin? We see missed assignments, some guys loafing on plays, the steelers not taking care of business and losing to teams they shouldnt lose to. This has been happening for years. Bradshaw always said he didnt like Noll but he respected him, and he knew that if he followed Noll’s direction it would lead to wins. The team bought into Nolls plan. I dont see that collective buy in now. Some guys are playing hard, but some are not. Then we see the missed assignments and confusion on D, questionable playcalling on Offense. That is the responsibility of Tomlin’s coordinators, and Tomlin himself.

Noll left 11 years after his last super bowl victory. Its been 14 years since Tomlin’s last Super bowl appearance. And we havent gotten close since. And Tomlin had a heck of alot more talent in that span than Noll did.

Its just getting to be that time for a change. Im totally convinced were not going anywhere under this coach.

Good post! It all starts with Big Mike and his staff, and his teams are not getting it done. I would give him one more year to turn it around which i think won't happen but that's just me.

The Steeler defense looks lax and confused. I'm old enough to remember how intimidating they used to be, Now instead of being the bully, they are the one's being bullied, The offense has no identity, they have a starting qb who should move on with his life's work, he just sucks,and a poorly coached O-line, one diva reciever, and average running backs and tight ends, Bottom line this team is SAD and changes need made.

[oneforthetoe]

Of course there are still different coaching styles. Not that much has changed. Spending time on skills outside of practice was never enforceable, even in Noll’s time. Whats important is what was focused on and emphasized in practices. Noll always emphasized the fundamentals, routine plays. Does Tomlin? We see missed assignments, some guys loafing on plays, the steelers not taking care of business and losing to teams they shouldnt lose to. This has been happening for years. Bradshaw always said he didnt like Noll but he respected him, and he knew that if he followed Noll’s direction it would lead to wins. The team bought into Nolls plan. I dont see that collective buy in now. Some guys are playing hard, but some are not. Then we see the missed assignments and confusion on D, questionable playcalling on Offense. That is the responsibility of Tomlin’s coordinators, and Tomlin himself.

Noll left 11 years after his last super bowl victory. Its been 14 years since Tomlin’s last Super bowl appearance. And we havent gotten close since. And Tomlin had a heck of alot more talent in that span than Noll did.

Its just getting to be that time for a change. I'm totally convinced were not going anywhere under this coach.

Ultimately, you are correct it is Tomlin's responsibility. And, the lack of communication and attention to details is bewildering and unacceptable

However, I do have some issues with the comparison to Noll's era. First, all you have to do is ask employers the difference between this generation and past generations to understand the work ethic is vastly different. Maybe I sound like an old guy shaking my fist yelling get off of my lawn but there is a major difference in how this younger generation views their responsibilities to management than previous generations. Second, it is difficult to compare players actions pre free agency. You mentioned Bradshaw. Had there been free agency in Bradshaw's era he likely would have asked for a trade early in his career faster than you can say Kenny Pickett. Finally, as to Tomlin having better players, I think that is debatable if the comparison is made to competition they faced. Tomlin definitely had the better players for the era leading up to around 2018 than Noll did his final 8 or 9 years even with a declining franchise QB. However, not so sure about that for the last 4 or 5 years. At the end of Noll's era he wasn't competing against Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow in the same division.

None of this previous was meant to say Tomlin is equal to Noll or function as an excuse for the failures the last decade. Noll is and will remain the best coach the Steelers have ever had. Finally, Tomlin and the Steelers need to get this figured out.

[Steeler-in-west]

Ultimately, you are correct it is Tomlin's responsibility. And, the lack of communication and attention to details is bewildering and unacceptable

However, I do have some issues with the comparison to Noll's era. First, all you have to do is ask employers the difference between this generation and past generations to understand the work ethic is vastly different. Maybe I sound like an old guy shaking my fist yelling get off of my lawn but there is a major difference in how this younger generation views their responsibilities to management than previous generations. Second, it is difficult to compare players actions pre free agency. You mentioned Bradshaw. Had there been free agency in Bradshaw's era he likely would have asked for a trade early in his career faster than you can say Kenny Pickett. Finally, as to Tomlin having better players, I think that is debatable if the comparison is made to competition they faced. Tomlin definitely had the better players for the era leading up to around 2018 than Noll did his final 8 or 9 years even with a declining franchise QB. However, not so sure about that for the last 4 or 5 years. At the end of Noll's era he wasn't competing against Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow in the same division.

None of this previous was meant to say Tomlin is equal to Noll or function as an excuse for the failures the last decade. Noll is and will remain the best coach the Steelers have ever had. Finally, Tomlin and the Steelers need to get this figured out.

I'm not sure, I think players today are not that much different than in Nolls era. They still want to win. Guys, even today, that don't consider winning their top priority usually don't last long in the league. The guys and teams as a whole who buy into what the coaches are planning and work hard are the successful teams. Actually I think there are more talented players now then back then so that's why i think coaching and planning are more crucial now than ever before. As far as trades, i think guys could still push for trades even back then, although it wasn't as common as it is now. And Bradshaw actually did ask for a trade, if you remember, he asked Al Davis directly to facilitate a trade on his behalf, during that time when Noll was playing Gilliam. Davis actually convinced the Steelers to stick with Bradshaw, but he could've easily enticed the Steelers to let Bradshaw go to the Raiders. Also, regarding the competition in the 80's in the AFC north, i would say the Steelers were facing a good to very good group of quarterbacks that i would say at least match Lamar Jackson and Burrow; such as Warren Moon and Boomer Esiason (multiple time pro bowlers) and even Bernie Kosar who was no slouch either, who was leagues better than who the Browns have now. The bengals, oilers and even the browns were good teams. Actually, the AFC was loaded (the Elway Broncos, Marino in Miami, the Jim Kelly Bills, and the Raiders were always tough with Plunkett and that D, throughout the 80's). And we had Mark Malone and Bubby Brister, but also the makings of a good young defense Noll was starting to assemble.

As far as now, I agree with you, alot of questions in the offseason, more i think than the last offseason. Its got to start with coaching, at least the coordinators, and Tomlin letting them have more autonomy than before.

[El Kabong]

I'm not sure, I think players today are not that much different than in Nolls era. They still want to win. Guys, even today, that don't consider winning their top priority usually don't last long in the league. The guys and teams as a whole who buy into what the coaches are planning and work hard are the successful teams. Actually I think there are more talented players now then back then so that's why i think coaching and planning are more crucial now than ever before. As far as trades, i think guys could still push for trades even back then, although it wasn't as common as it is now. And Bradshaw actually did ask for a trade, if you remember, he asked Al Davis directly to facilitate a trade on his behalf, during that time when Noll was playing Gilliam. Davis actually convinced the Steelers to stick with Bradshaw, but he could've easily enticed the Steelers to let Bradshaw go to the Raiders. Also, regarding the competition in the 80's in the AFC north, i would say the Steelers were facing a good to very good group of quarterbacks that i would say at least match Lamar Jackson and Burrow; such as Warren Moon and Boomer Esiason (multiple time pro bowlers) and even Bernie Kosar who was no slouch either, who was leagues better than who the Browns have now. The bengals, oilers and even the browns were good teams. Actually, the AFC was loaded (the Elway Broncos, Marino in Miami, the Jim Kelly Bills, and the Raiders were always tough with Plunkett and that D, throughout the 80's). And we had Mark Malone and Bubby Brister, but also the makings of a good young defense Noll was starting to assemble.

As far as now, I agree with you, alot of questions in the offseason, more i think than the last offseason. Its got to start with coaching, at least the coordinators, and Tomlin letting them have more autonomy than before.

Bradshaw could have been a Raider?

[tube517]

Bradshaw could have been a Raider?

He requested a trade after getting benched for Joe Gilliam in 74. Noll denied the request and glad he did. Even Hanratty played some so Noll probably had a feeling he would need Bradshaw eventually because Gilliam was off the team within 2 years and Hanratty wasn't the answer.

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[Voice of Reason]

He requested a trade after getting benched for Joe Gilliam in 74. Noll denied the request and glad he did.

What's this? When a QB requests a trade the HC doesn't have to give it to him and can actually still keep him if he's smart enough to realize that the QB may still be valuable to his team?

[El Kabong]

What's this? When a QB requests a trade the HC doesn't have to give it to him and can actually still keep him if he's smart enough to realize that the QB may still be valuable to his team?

It's almost as if Bradshaw showed more to Noll to make Noll want to keep him than Pickett showed Tomlin.

[Steeler-in-west]

Bradshaw could have been a Raider?

from the story i heard, we can thank Al Davis, at least partially, for keeping him a Steeler.

[oneforthetoe]

The thing about Bradshaw is he had no leverage. He couldn't become a FA. He either played for the Steelers or went to Canada. But in today's game even if you played under Canada (see what I did there) a player has more leverage. If the team knows he wants to leave, and he has trade value, then it's either trade him and get what you can or let him go for maybe a comp pick in the future. It is just a completely different situation.

[feltdizz]

What's this? When a QB requests a trade the HC doesn't have to give it to him and can actually still keep him if he's smart enough to realize that the QB may still be valuable to his team?

different era