Montana did win 4. But that wasn't his point.Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Montana did win 4. But that wasn't his point.
Yep, my bad. Young was part of three SB teams but was starting QB for one, and Montana won 4. But as Born said, “wasn’t my point”.
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May your message board cup overflow with entirely too many words!
I've decided not to fire Tomlin. I will extend him one more year. Next year can be a prove-it year for Tomlin to show he can make progress with this team.
that ship has sailed.
It keeps returning to the port without the goods delivered.
No truer words were ever spoken,
I shall drink deep and hold forth!!
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
And Mike T is a big part of the organization.
yeah so starting to sound like a circle jerkAnd Mike T is a big part of the organization.
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
So what are they going to change about the organization?
Honestly, the only thing that could change that would move the needle would be to tank a season or move current resources into future years to get a QB.
And if you think people are grumpy now, wait until week 5 of a 3 win season where the team traded first round pick into future years.
He's right. It IS an organization issue. The organization continues to employ and make excuses for Tomlin.
What does "prove it" entail? Winning one playoff game? Winning the Superbowl? Getting over .500 again? You need to define prove it.
Again, I would take a few losing seasons if it meant we had a legitimate shot a landing a QB in the draft. Look at the teams this past weekend, all of them had great to decent quarterbacks.
Winners:
Bills: Allen played solid
Eagles: Hurts (Barkley helped a lot)
Redskins: Daniels played great
Chiefs: Mahomes played as usual
Losers:
Rams = Stafford had bad turnovers but played in horrible weather conditions
Ravens = Lamar had multiple turnovers that killed them, but having Henry and a defense kept it close
Texans = Stroud played a meh game but had no offensive line
Lions = Goff probably played the poorest on this list and he was the reason they lost
I would take anyone of those quarterbacks I just mentioned on the Steelers in a minute. My point is that if the Steelers need a few losing seasons to land one of these types of quarterbacks so be it.
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Losing and getting higher draft picks does not mean you get a franchise QB out of it. From Bradshaw to Ben.
They may not even need a massive losing season or multiple. But they would have to actually approach X season with the idea that they are punting winning things until Y season.
For instance, trade out of the first round this year. Totally out. Hit 2026 with an extra first and third round pick in your pocket. Should allow you to shove your weight around in the 2026 draft either for a QB OR to trade around again and hit 2027 with extra picks. Rinse and Repeat until your scouting department says "Go get this guy. He's the one.". But when have the Steelers EVER taken a multi-year view like that? Literally not in my lifetime. That refusal to engage in a multi-year rebuild and admit a current season is going to be less competitive is not a Tomlin thing. It has been an organizational approach since at least the 1980's.
How many guys on that list were top 10 picks? Bradshaw was #1 overall and Ben was #11. Remember that in Ben's draft Eli and Rivers were taken before him.
Goff #1
Stafford #1
Stroud #2
Daniels #2
Josh Allen #5
Mahomes #10
Lamar #32
Hurts #53
Only one of them was drafted past the first round and 75% of them were top 10 picks. And both guys that weren't drafted in the top 10 (Lamar and Hurts) have arguably the top two RB's in the league to hand off to along with a very good offensive line.
I get what you are saying that nothing is a guarantee but it sure does help those odds to have a very high pick.
whats the point of a prove it year at this point? Prove what with an even older Wilson or a Fields that cant read defenses? Not to mention older players on defense, like Minkah, Cam and TJ. Only thing to look forward to is a new Qb in the draft, and a new coordinator who Tomlin leaves alone to do his job. Im just waiting for Tomlin to finish out his contract. Maybe they buy out or negotiate his remaining year if 25 becomes especially ugly.
Agree 100% percent with what your saying & not disputing your words at all. Just pointing out a caveat to what you are saying. You don't need a high pick, you just need to not live in your fears & take the shot. How many of those top 10 picked QBs were made from teams that didn't have a high pick, but traded up? As for Lamar or Hurts, didn't need a top pick either, just some "BALLS".
All we need to do without a high pick (because I hope we NEVER have one) is to take a shot, or grow some balls, right? We lost our ammo & dropped our balls when Dan passed & Cowher & his staff left the building.
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Fine line between ballsy and stupid. If it works Khan is the man and what a ballsy move. If it fails Tomlin is an idiot for that pick.
I don't expect Tomlin to win a super bowl next year. Winning a playoff game would be nice.
I said in another thread that soonest it happened (unless Tomlin retires is 2028 due to brand new 3 year extension that just started) ....
however outside pressure is now surfacing that is a bit louder than rumblings of the fan base ....
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
How about build out a legitimate staff. A top notch player evaluation department.
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Not sure I understand what your post is trying to say. If you look back at previous drafts, you have to go all the way back to Stafford in 2009 to get a 1st round QB that has won a SB, all the way up to Mahomes. That's 43 1st round QBs with 2 SB winners. A very low percentage.
Some 'fans', and I use that term loosely, have no class.
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I agree. There is no need to pay for a billboard to try to publicly embarrass anybody. The Rooney family has done as well or better than anyone ever has for over half a century. It doesn't mean they're perfect. It means that they have earned the right to make a few mistakes or go against what the mob says.
Mike Tomlin has led this franchise to two Super Bowls, winning one. I have been critical of him and I point out things that I think he could do better or needs to change, but he deserves respect for what he has done and who he is as a man.
The Rooney family doesn't deserve that....and neither does Mike Tomlin.
I can only imagine what the families of Mr Rooney and Coach Tomlin feel while having to look at that garbage.
If it is that important to someone, they should stop following the team. Give up your season tickets. Don't buy NFL Sunday Ticket. Don't buy team merchandise. Stop watching the team on TV. Just step away.
some folks just have to much money and their actions make you wonder how they got it ......
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
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