What will it take to fire Tomlin

[MikeT]

Tomlin is a Nice guy and decent coach. I said this somewhere before a long time ago. having lived in Dallas for a while i see a TON of similarities between Tomlin and Jason Garrett. Very similar coaches. Players loved them, both thought they were smarter than they actually are (when it comes to football) and were garbage when it came to X's and O's. They both had the same mindset of we are going to do what we do and force other teams to beat us how we want to play. Both had a similar mentality that instead of adapting schemes to their players strengths they just did the same things and if it didn't work then it must be the players and not the fact that the coach had very vanilla schemes and just not capable of thinking outside their limited box to put their players in the best position to succeed.

I saw the cowboys with some loaded teams do the same thing. Win the regular season and collapse at the end of the season and playoffs time and time again. Cause the talent was good enough to get a seat at the table but the coaching staff was not doing their part cause they were to proud and frankly just lacked the Football knowledge to be a good coach and more importantly they let their EGO get in the way of having good Coordinators and insisted on putting "their" spin on things.

Its hard when you have someone that is just above average. You keep hoping that they will put the pieces together and find that magic. That's where this team has been with Tomlin for the last 7 years or so. Hoping he will put it together cause hes show flashes of brilliance here and there over the years. However sometimes even if the guy is good you just need to make a change. Andy Reid is the perfect example. The biggest difference with Reid is also the biggest indictment against Tomlin. Coaching Tree! To be a head coach for 17 years and still not have developed a single coach under you that has moved on is more telling than anything. Any coach can get lucky and win a super bowl. Not easy and the odds are not in their favor but it can happen. What can't happen from luck is managing and elevating employees. This is something Tomlin has failed to do his entire coaching career so far. That to me says he is not a good head coach period. It says to me that he is a guy who got put into the most perfect situation and has coasted by on some skill, ALOT of luck and absolute metric TON of the organizations legacy of loyalty!

[EzraTank]

Tomlin is a Nice guy and decent coach. I said this somewhere before a long time ago. having lived in Dallas for a while i see a TON of similarities between Tomlin and Jason Garrett. Very similar coaches. Players loved them, both thought they were smarter than they actually are (when it comes to football) and were garbage when it came to X's and O's. They both had the same mindset of we are going to do what we do and force other teams to beat us how we want to play. Both had a similar mentality that instead of adapting schemes to their players strengths they just did the same things and if it didn't work then it must be the players and not the fact that the coach had very vanilla schemes and just not capable of thinking outside their limited box to put their players in the best position to succeed.

I saw the cowboys with some loaded teams do the same thing. Win the regular season and collapse at the end of the season and playoffs time and time again. Cause the talent was good enough to get a seat at the table but the coaching staff was not doing their part cause they were to proud and frankly just lacked the Football knowledge to be a good coach and more importantly they let their EGO get in the way of having good Coordinators and insisted on putting "their" spin on things.

Its hard when you have someone that is just above average. You keep hoping that they will put the pieces together and find that magic. That's where this team has been with Tomlin for the last 7 years or so. Hoping he will put it together cause hes show flashes of brilliance here and there over the years. However sometimes even if the guy is good you just need to make a change. Andy Reid is the perfect example. The biggest difference with Reid is also the biggest indictment against Tomlin. Coaching Tree! To be a head coach for 17 years and still not have developed a single coach under you that has moved on is more telling than anything. Any coach can get lucky and win a super bowl. Not easy and the odds are not in their favor but it can happen. What can't happen from luck is managing and elevating employees. This is something Tomlin has failed to do his entire coaching career so far. That to me says he is not a good head coach period. It says to me that he is a guy who got put into the most perfect situation and has coasted by on some skill, ALOT of luck and absolute metric TON of the organizations legacy of loyalty!

QFT.

Tomlin is the ONLY Superbowl winning coach in history to ever lose 6 straight playoff games. Let that sink in.

[Mojouw]

There's no coach on the planet who was winning playoff games with the 2019-24 Steelers QBs.

What you have to decide as a fan is are you going to root for a 5 wins or less season under a new coach to get a shot at another draft QB or Tomlin dragging crappy teams to 10 wins and a wildcsrd loss.

Until ownership orders a teardown and rebuild; that's the reality. Tomlin is too good of a coach to lose enough to draft a QB and not full of enough dark magic to win playoff games with the worst QB in the field. And make no mistakes, that's the position this team has been in. Hard to win when you're bringing the least talent at the most critical position.

[Dwinsgames]

QFT.

Tomlin is the ONLY Superbowl winning coach in history to ever lose 6 straight playoff games. Let that sink in.

take it a step further ... among playoff teams Only Marvin Lewis has lost more consecutive playoff games (7) and Tomlin sits at 6 ...

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Tomlin is a Nice guy and decent coach. I said this somewhere before a long time ago. having lived in Dallas for a while i see a TON of similarities between Tomlin and Jason Garrett. Very similar coaches. Players loved them, both thought they were smarter than they actually are (when it comes to football) and were garbage when it came to X's and O's. They both had the same mindset of we are going to do what we do and force other teams to beat us how we want to play. Both had a similar mentality that instead of adapting schemes to their players strengths they just did the same things and if it didn't work then it must be the players and not the fact that the coach had very vanilla schemes and just not capable of thinking outside their limited box to put their players in the best position to succeed.

I saw the cowboys with some loaded teams do the same thing. Win the regular season and collapse at the end of the season and playoffs time and time again. Cause the talent was good enough to get a seat at the table but the coaching staff was not doing their part cause they were to proud and frankly just lacked the Football knowledge to be a good coach and more importantly they let their EGO get in the way of having good Coordinators and insisted on putting "their" spin on things.

Its hard when you have someone that is just above average. You keep hoping that they will put the pieces together and find that magic. That's where this team has been with Tomlin for the last 7 years or so. Hoping he will put it together cause hes show flashes of brilliance here and there over the years. However sometimes even if the guy is good you just need to make a change. Andy Reid is the perfect example. The biggest difference with Reid is also the biggest indictment against Tomlin. Coaching Tree! To be a head coach for 17 years and still not have developed a single coach under you that has moved on is more telling than anything. Any coach can get lucky and win a super bowl. Not easy and the odds are not in their favor but it can happen. What can't happen from luck is managing and elevating employees. This is something Tomlin has failed to do his entire coaching career so far. That to me says he is not a good head coach period. It says to me that he is a guy who got put into the most perfect situation and has coasted by on some skill, ALOT of luck and absolute metric TON of the organizations legacy of loyalty!

Sorry what life taught me over the years is that people that take the time to write three long paragraphs have mental issues or are so self centered/isorbed. Sadly I will never read this and never know how you feel about Tomlin. No offense to you of course and was talking in general.

[Mach1]

There's no coach on the planet who was winning playoff games with the 2019-24 Steelers QBs.

What you have to decide as a fan is are you going to root for a 5 wins or less season under a new coach to get a shot at another draft QB or Tomlin dragging crappy teams to 10 wins and a wildcsrd loss.

Until ownership orders a teardown and rebuild; that's the reality. Tomlin is too good of a coach to lose enough to draft a QB and not full of enough dark magic to win playoff games with the worst QB in the field. And make no mistakes, that's the position this team has been in. Hard to win when you're bringing the least talent at the most critical position.

Tomlin needs to be included in that teardown. Can't always blame the players. Players/assistants come and go yet the results stay the same. Groundhog Day.
Tomlin is the only constant in that equation.
It's time for a change. Good or bad it's time.

[ncgjka]

Was his contact 2 more seasons?

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[fansince'76]

Art is becoming the next Bob Nutting.

Considering that the Steelers spend pretty much to the cap every year I'm not sure that is an apt comparison when the Pirates have one of the lowest payrolls in MLB on an annual basis, unless we're hearkening back to the "damn cheap Rooneys" days before Heinz Field was built.

[Rocky Mtn.]

Rooney Tomlin has established itself as the hover around .500 combo that sometimes gets to tack an extra loss to the record.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

I just take the games for what it is the last 5 or so years, also not a fan of the NFL product but watch for betting purposes. As Joe Biden would say anyways the Steelers and the NFL get no money from me buying their product. That would changes things if fans would boycott them but they won't just like the Pirates and a moot point. I think the Groundhog seen his shadow and 2 more years of Tomlin! Does Tomlin even realize his legacy will be Steeler fans hating him forever ? If he cares about the fans he would walk away now but Mike cares about Mike and that is it!

[Voice of Reason]

I think we all know who has those tendencies. Lol. It’s actually quite obvious.

Tomlin is Hall of Fame. Sorry you can’t change that with your whining, crying and racist rants.

But you keep doing you. Bash Tomlin and then crawl back under a rock somewhere. Rinse and repeat.

Wait a minute. DWG just said that you have joined him in "calling for Tomlin's head" many times.

[Voice of Reason]

Tomlin is the ONLY Superbowl winning coach in history to ever lose 6 straight playoff games. Let that sink in.

That should go on his plaque in Canton.

[Voice of Reason]

Hard to win when you're bringing the least talent at the most critical position.

Quarterback is the most critical position on a football team.

A year ago Tomlin OK'd personnel moves that have resulted in us currently having NO quarterbacks on the roster for next season.

Let THAT sink in.

[Voice of Reason]

Considering that the Steelers spend pretty much to the cap every year I'm not sure that is an apt comparison when the Pirates have one of the lowest payrolls in MLB on an annual basis, unless we're hearkening back to the "damn cheap Rooneys" days before Heinz Field was built.

What I'm saying is that Pittsburgh has two sports teams that have absolutely no chance of winning or even contending for championships in the foreseeable future because of their owners. The Pirates, because Nutting is too cheap to get enough good players, and the Steelers because Rooney is too stubborn to ever get rid of Tomlin.

Unfortunately for me, these are the two teams I have rooted for for decades and care about the most, and I have to deal with the fact that I'll probably never see either of them win another championship.

[MikeT]

Sorry what life taught me over the years is that people that take the time to write three long paragraphs have mental issues or are so self centered/isorbed. Sadly I will never read this and never know how you feel about Tomlin. No offense to you of course and was talking in general.

In my experience i have learned when someone says "no offense" there usually is Offense being given.

Self absorbed yet you took the time to write a reply insulting me without even reading.

And who comes to a forum and complains about reading?

Also proof reading might do you some good.

[Steeldude]

I think we all know who has those tendencies. Lol. It’s actually quite obvious.

Tomlin is Hall of Fame. Sorry you can’t change that with your whining, crying and racist rants.

But you keep doing you. Bash Tomlin and then crawl back under a rock somewhere. Rinse and repeat.

Apparently it's you. Why do you feel race makes a coach better? That is what you are implying. All you do is project, throw a tantrum and/or run away.

Why do you believe Tomlin is the best HC ever? Explain.

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See DWG, the guy you claim has joined you in "calling for Tomlin's head" is STILL ridiculing the people who criticized Tomlin.

Some days it's just too easy.

86Tard is always that way. All he ever does is throw tantrums if someone states anything negative about his b/f Tomlin.

[lipps83]

Tomlin needs to be included in that teardown. Can't always blame the players. Players/assistants come and go yet the results stay the same. Groundhog Day.
Tomlin is the only constant in that equation.
It's time for a change. Good or bad it's time.

Isn't the whole point of Groundhog Day that "when you figure out how to stop it from repeating, you get what you really wanted all along"?

[Mach1]

Isn't the whole point of Groundhog Day that "when you figure out how to stop it from repeating, you get what you really wanted all along"?

That's only if you learn how to improve. Otherwise you're stuck doing to same shit over and over expecting different results.

[EzraTank]

I just take the games for what it is the last 5 or so years, also not a fan of the NFL product but watch for betting purposes. As Joe Biden would say anyways the Steelers and the NFL get no money from me buying their product. That would changes things if fans would boycott them but they won't just like the Pirates and a moot point. I think the Groundhog seen his shadow and 2 more years of Tomlin! Does Tomlin even realize his legacy will be Steeler fans hating him forever ? If he cares about the fans he would walk away now but Mike cares about Mike and that is it!

Sorry, couldn't read. This uses silent "E's" and has exclamation points.

[lipps83]

That's only if you learn how to improve. Otherwise you're stuck doing to same shit over and over expecting different results.

I would agree with that. I also know that they tried to improve (e.g. Wilson/Fields), but sometimes in life things don't always work out in the ways that one may have hoped (e.g. Wilson/Fields). They were also never able to get any receiver to compliment Pickens and that hampered the offense all season long. I wouldn't really put those on Tomlin as his own failures, but he does make a super easy scapegoat for many being the face of the franchise.

For me, this was not a good team and was probably not as good as their record indicated at the end of the season. Same as last year. I am not angry with the outcome, a little disappointed of course, since the outcome is pretty close to what I expected it to be. This is a middle of the road team. This team is not a Super Bowl contender that is somehow being held back by the ineptitude of their coaching staff. In the same breath, I will also say that they probably are just a few pieces away from greatness (a franchise QB can do wonders for a struggling offense, but we don't have that).

I am not for firing Tomlin, but I am not necessarily for keeping him either. I just don't see anyone out there that is worthwhile to replace him with. I would have maybe given Vrabel a shot, but he is no longer an option anyway.

Let's see what they are able to do in the offseason. They have a whole offseason to bring in free agents and the upcoming draft. They will also be getting both Fautanu and Roman Wilson back, unless they get injured again, of course. Neither of them were able to contribute this year due to injuries.

I think if the results are the same at the end of next season, then the front office certainly needs to make some sort of move, otherwise even the Tomlin apologists will start reaching for their pitchforks and torches.

[tube517]

As a Sixers and Steelers fan Ouch!



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[Rocky Mtn.]

What I'm saying is that Pittsburgh has two sports teams that have absolutely no chance of winning or even contending for championships in the foreseeable future because of their owners. The Pirates, because Nutting is too cheap to get enough good players, and the Steelers because Rooney is too stubborn to ever get rid of Tomlin.

Unfortunately for me, these are the two teams I have rooted for for decades and care about the most, and I have to deal with the fact that I'll probably never see either of them win another championship.

Keep hope that they see the error of their ways soon enough in the future for you to have that " Ive got a feeling" again.

[pczach]

As a Sixers and Steelers fan Ouch!



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I'm with ya brother!

[Dwinsgames]

Next time someone tries to convince you that Tomlin is vastly superior to McCarthy ....

[Mach1]

11-11 a non losing playoff record.

[ETL]

It’s all about the QB.

belichick was a genius until he didn’t have Brady and then he was no longer good and got fired.

It took Steelers 20 years to find a franchise QB between Bradshaw and Ben. And that is relatively a short period. Bears never had a franchise QB. Chiefs just got one but went 60 years without one.

coaching can be blamed when a team has a franchise QB and does nothing. Miami with Marino or Chargers with Philip Rivers are some examples but to be fair Rivers had to get through Brady, Manning and Roethlisberger to even make it to a SB. I would submit that if Tomlin was the coach of Rivers or Marino - he would have gotten to the SB with them and won some.

ironically one of the reasons why the Steelers may not with a SB with Tomlin as HC is that he is too good as a coach. The Steelers won’t truly hit rock bottom with him and so we don’t get to draft high enough to have a shot at a legit franchise QB.

Anyone remember the last time the Steelers drafted in the top 5 position of the draft? 1971. Bradshaw. No other team is even close to this.


Looking forward:

1. Keep Tomlin - he’s one of the best coaches in the league
2. Get him a legit franchise QB. It’s not Russ. Is it Fields? I don’t know. But if we want to get out of this rut of meaningless non-losing seasons - we have to change business as usual. That may mean trading away assets or mortgaging the future for a higher draft position to get a legit franchise QB.

I would have never been ok trading away future first round picks to just move up in one draft but now I’m ok with it as we have to try something different.

[Rotorhead]

Belicheat and the Pats also mortgaged the future for a decade to keep Brady with some talent, they traded picks every draft and it came to roost once Brady left. Yes, a franchise QB is important, but we had one when .501 took over and won with the same team as Cowher. Ever since that we have been average. Terrible coaching staff just got worse every year, but .501 has a million platitudes he can spout each time he loses in the playoffs. He has been here and still makes the same bad game time management decisions and still can’t challenge correctly. He can’t or won’t hire an OC that is good, why? He defense is stacked with talent and they still can’t stop average teams on 3rd and long game after game after game.

[Voice of Reason]

coaching can be blamed when a team has a franchise QB and does nothing.

OK, we'll use your rules. Tomlin had a franchise QB for 14 years, and outside of one year did nothing. So do YOU follow your own rules and blame him?

2. Get him a legit franchise QB.

Teams don't just "get" a franchise QB. Yes, they have to draft a guy with enough raw material to become one, but then the HC has to properly develop that raw material in order for that guy to actually become one. Noll developed Bradshaw. Belichick developed Brady. Andy Reid developed Mahomes. Tomlin hasn't shown the ability to "develop" anyone. There was a thread on here recently where some people lamented the fact that the Steelers didn't draft Jalen Hurts when they had the chance. Based on track record, I say that if the Steelers had drafted Hurts that Tomlin would have ruined him, he'd be gone by now, and this board would be filled with posts saying what a lousy pick Hurts was.

[ETL]

When’s the last time a head coach was the main reason a team won a SB? parcells? How many SB did Drew Brees win? Did Aaron Rogers win? Did Russell Wilson win? Were all their head coaches geniuses and become sudden idiots for not winning more?

Even with a good coach and a franchise QB it’s hard to win a SB but without a franchise QB it’s close to impossible. I am offering my opinion that changing coaches may satisfy your need to want change but won’t do anything in getting the Steelers closer to winning a SB without a legit QB

the Steelers have a great HC in Tomlin already.

[Hawkman]

Even with a good coach and a franchise QB it’s hard to win a SB.

Just ask Dan Marino!