I really don’t enjoy Steelers games anymore.

[DesertSteel]

I love watching football. But I really don’t like watching the Steelers anymore. Their style of keeping it close just unsettles me the whole time. With other games I just relax and enjoy the competition. I’m thinking it’s time for a change.

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

I love watching football. But I really don’t like watching the Steelers anymore. Their style of keeping it close just unsettles me the whole time. With other games I just relax and enjoy the competition. I’m thinking it’s time for a change.

I feel the same brother, I don't see anything changing unfortunately. I don't understand this organization anymore. Art Rooney Sr has got to be rolling over in his grave.

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[Steeler-in-west]

I feel the same brother, I don't see anything changing unfortunately. I don't understand this organization anymore. Art Rooney Sr has got to be rolling over in his grave.

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Dan will be rolling over in his grave

[86WARD]

I get what your are saying. It’s always tiresome and many times seems like the same shitty story.

I enjoy watching the Steelers and rooting for them. Look forwards to all the games but yes, the actual game and watching it is just frustrating and painful. Nothing is ever easy, innovative or fun.

I totally see where you are coming from.

[Mojouw]

I suspect it’s never chill watching your favorite team.

[Steeler-in-west]

Those of us who went through the 80’s know are used to this. Trotting out backups like Malone or Brister or has beens or one hit wonders like David Woodley. Missing or getting bounced in the first round by much better teams. The glory years just a memory. Then in the early 90’s a new regime came in with Cowher. I think that time is coming again, its time for a change. We have a few young pieces in place on D (JPJ) and O (the line minus LT) to build on, just as Cowher had a few guys on D to build on.

[86WARD]

Those of us who went through the 80’s know are used to this. Trotting out backups like Malone or Brister or has beens or one hit wonders like David Woodley. Missing or getting bounced in the first round by much better teams. The glory years just a memory. Then in the early 90’s a new regime came in with Cowher. I think that time is coming again, its time for a change. We have a few young pieces in place on D (JPJ) and O (the line minus LT) to build on, just as Cowher had a few guys on D to build on.

This is a little different. Those 80s teams had some talent but not like this team does. This team is just being mismanaged in many aspects.

[Steeler-in-west]

This is a little different. Those 80s teams had some talent but not like this team does. This team is just being mismanaged in many aspects.

True, there is more talent on this team than the 80’s squads, all the more reason to bring in a new coaching staff.

[86WARD]

Those of us who went through the 80’s know are used to this. Trotting out backups like Malone or Brister or has beens or one hit wonders like David Woodley. Missing or getting bounced in the first round by much better teams. The glory years just a memory. Then in the early 90’s a new regime came in with Cowher. I think that time is coming again, its time for a change. We have a few young pieces in place on D (JPJ) and O (the line minus LT) to build on, just as Cowher had a few guys on D to build on.

By the way if this team had Bubby Brister at QB, they might be an 11 win team. 10 win team with Russ. Imagine what they'd be with Pickett or Rudolph. They'd be talking about Shadeur Sanders for next season. lol No thanks...

[DesertSteel]

I’m tired of trying to figure out the problem. I’m really looking forward to baseball season. I’m a Reds fan and like their young talent and manager hire.

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And I’m a Notre Dame fan so I’m looking forward to Thursday.

As much as I like those teams they don’t turn my stomach inside out like the Steelers.

[Steel Peon]

I’m thinking it’s time for a change.

This should've happened in 2017 after losing to the Jagoffs in a very embarrassing fashion, and since then we've been the embodiment of the movie "Weekend at Bernie's" where we keep trotting out the same bloated corpse expecting everyone to believe we don't already have one foot in the grave. We haven't had a team that wasn't DOA since 2010, when the cracks first started to show. All the key defensive players left and we never truly replaced them, except for a few standouts over the years. Our offense was Ben, Heath, AB and Le'Veon for a few years until that was gone, and we've had close to jack damnit once AB was shown the door.

If this team wins a playoff game I might start thinking we've finally got something going, though it'll probably be well short of championship caliber.

[Mach1]

This should've happened in 2017 after losing to the Jagoffs in a very embarrassing fashion, and since then we've been the embodiment of the movie "Weekend at Bernie's" where we keep trotting out the same bloated corpse expecting everyone to believe we don't already have one foot in the grave. We haven't had a team that wasn't DOA since 2010, when the cracks first started to show. All the key defensive players left and we never truly replaced them, except for a few standouts over the years. Our offense was Ben, Heath, AB and Le'Veon for a few years until that was gone, and we've had close to jack damnit once AB was shown the door.

If this team wins a playoff game I might start thinking we've finally got something going, though it'll probably be well short of championship caliber.

I was thinking Groundhog Day. It's the same old stale predictable garbage year after year. It's never going to change as long as Tomlin is running the show.

[DesertSteel]

This should've happened in 2017 after losing to the Jagoffs in a very embarrassing fashion, and since then we've been the embodiment of the movie "Weekend at Bernie's" where we keep trotting out the same bloated corpse expecting everyone to believe we don't already have one foot in the grave. We haven't had a team that wasn't DOA since 2010, when the cracks first started to show. All the key defensive players left and we never truly replaced them, except for a few standouts over the years. Our offense was Ben, Heath, AB and Le'Veon for a few years until that was gone, and we've had close to jack damnit once AB was shown the door.

If this team wins a playoff game I might start thinking we've finally got something going, though it'll probably be well short of championship caliber.

I was referring to a change for me. I don’t control what anyone else does.

[that1guy]

The Steelers organization is lost. They have lost the toughness, swagger and bully-mentality. We know full well that maintaining a non losing season/3 coaches in 50 years philosophy is more important than winning playoff games. The Steelers have become miserable to watch. Even ESPN has started to point out that Mike Tomlin has become a decade long failure, I really appreciated that they showed that graphic graphic. When to rebuild the organization is up to the Rooneys and ownership, until then we suffer.

[El Kabong]

I love watching football. But I really don’t like watching the Steelers anymore. Their style of keeping it close just unsettles me the whole time. With other games I just relax and enjoy the competition. I’m thinking it’s time for a change.

I'm guessing it was more enjoyable for you when the Steelers went 10-3 through 13 games. These last 4 games have sucked for sure.

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Art Rooney Sr has got to be rolling over in his grave.

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Would that be the guy who presided over 40 years of futility? I think Dan is more likely to be the one rolling over in his grave.

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

I'm guessing it was more enjoyable for you when the Steelers went 10-3 through 13 games. These last 4 games have sucked for sure.

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Would that be the guy who presided over 40 years of futility? I think Dan is more likely to be the one rolling over in his grave.

Actually Dan his who I meant not the Eldest

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[EzraTank]

I love watching football. But I really don’t like watching the Steelers anymore. Their style of keeping it close just unsettles me the whole time. With other games I just relax and enjoy the competition. I’m thinking it’s time for a change.

LOL, You mean like the movie Ground Hogs day? I remember saying that last week. Coach just above .500 not cutting it anymore?

[Voice of Reason]

I love watching football. But I really don’t like watching the Steelers anymore. Their style of keeping it close just unsettles me the whole time. With other games I just relax and enjoy the competition. I’m thinking it’s time for a change.

Why are you complaining? The Steelers did exactly what you wanted in the offseason.

As for the rest of you posting in this thread, welcome. Some of you are a little late to the party, but at least you've finally arrived.

[EzraTank]

Going to end the season with a 5 game losing streak. How is this guy still our coach? Oh, that's right he's always over .500.

[Steeldude]

The NFL, as a whole, has taken a dive ever since the kneeling nonsense began.

[fansince'76]

The NFL, as a whole, has taken a dive ever since the kneeling nonsense began.

The NFL as a whole took a dive when the whole "Brady rules" BS began and defensive football was essentially legislated out of the game under the guise of "player safety."

The current product is basically the Arena League with superior talent. Furthermore, NFL football in the 21st century has become a penalty flag-laden mess where the officials now have an outsized influence on the outcome of far too many games.

Personally speaking, if I see one more instance of a "marquee" player lobbying the officials for a penalty flag well after the conclusion of a play and getting it (see: "Brady rules"), I'm gonna scream.

No thanks. After the Steelers get bounced next week, I will stop paying attention completely until next season, which is what I have been doing for a number of years at this point.

[Steeldude]

The NFL as a whole took a dive when the whole "Brady rules" BS began and defensive football was essentially legislated out of the game under the guise of "player safety."

The current product is basically the Arena League with superior talent. Furthermore, NFL football in the 21st century has become a penalty flag-laden mess where the officials now have an outsized influence on the outcome of far too many games.

Personally speaking, if I see one more instance of a "marquee" player lobbying the officials for a penalty flag well after the conclusion of a play and getting it (see: "Brady rules"), I'm gonna scream.

No thanks. After the Steelers get bounced next week, I will stop paying attention completely until next season, which is what I have been doing for a number of years at this point.

Agreed. I used to watch any NFL game long ago. Now I watch the Steeler games only, with limited enthusiasm. The NFL is not what it used to be.

[Mojouw]

I think you guys have totally unrealistic expectations and the. Get angina and heartburn when they’re not met.

People are complaining about the defense last night. They held the Bengals to one of their 3 or 4 lowest point totals of the season and certainly their lowest in many weeks. That’s what effective and winning defense looks like in the contemporary offense focused NFL. I’m happy that many of you got to see the Steelers Curtain grind offenses into paste. I’m glad I started watching the NFL in an era where it was still possible to totally shut down an offense for 60 minutes. But those days are over. Stop setting yourself up for disappointing afternoons. A couple of turnovers and anything southbof two dozen points is a heckuva defensive game.

The rest of the complaints are about the offense. On this one, I’m going with “told you so”. Many of you wanted to give Wilson a multi year deal and visions of a deep playoff run dancing in year heads after he moon balled some mediocre teams. He’s not that guy. His total meltdown against the end schedule gauntlet proves that.

Wilson’s flaws have all come out into the light. He can’t or won’t work the intermediate/middle of the field. He thinks he can outrun guys he no longer can (see the 22 seconds wasted scramble at the end of the game). And he holds the ball forever while only looking downfield until he either takes a sack or panics and checks it down. And for additional spice, Wilson likes to make his OTs look bad by running into pressure.

Unfortunately those bad habits are exacerbated by the flaws in the roster and Smutg's stubbornness as a playcaller. Smith has not really adapted to his team but just plays his stuff. His first down packages are larfeky ineffective. He refuses to play Pickens and Williams at the same time, he runs his condensed 3TE package despite abysmal results, and he's decided he can make Harris an outside zone RB through sheer forve of will. These flaws are not new. His stubbornness in the face of failure and inability to get the ball to his playmakers instead of the backup FB where a large part of why he got fired in Atlanta.

To be fair to Smith, he's doing a ton well also. But much of it is being lost by Fields and Wildons flaws. Smith always attacked defense right down the middle using a lot of TEs and WR breaking in. Aikman highlighted multiple times last night where that was there and Wilson turned it down. As he has for his entire 14 year career. I honestly can not think of a bigger mismatched OC and QB pair.

All of this was pretty predictable from the preseason. But many of you chose to believe you saw a 12-14 win team. And now you're crying in your beer when it didn't meet your inflated expectations.

The 2024 Steelers met or exceeded all of my expectations. Like I honestly thought Queen was going to be a disaster, Frazier and McCormick where gonna get embarrassed, and the defense was going to collapse.

I'm excited about the upcoming seasons. I think they have 4/5 OL positions sorted out for years to come. I think they need more speed and skill on offense. On defense, just keep on keeping on.

Keep collecting lottery tickets at QB. I would like to see them add another offensive coach or two to assist Smith with expanding his perspective and incorporating additional elements into his scheme.

I think after the Ravens, Chiefs, and Bills; there's not another AFC team's roster I'd rather have. The 2024 Steelers are an incomplete team. They're in the middle of transitioning from "totally adrift" on offense "to flawed but there's a plan". Figure out a two pronged approach to QB (Fields and a draft pick?), consider how to get the OL playing better, and they could take a massive leap in 2025.

It wasn't evervas good as you thought in 2024 nor is it as bad as you fear now.

[MikeT]

I think you guys have totally unrealistic expectations and the. Get angina and heartburn when they’re not met.

People are complaining about the defense last night. They held the Bengals to one of their 3 or 4 lowest point totals of the season and certainly their lowest in many weeks. That’s what effective and winning defense looks like in the contemporary offense focused NFL. I’m happy that many of you got to see the Steelers Curtain grind offenses into paste. I’m glad I started watching the NFL in an era where it was still possible to totally shut down an offense for 60 minutes. But those days are over. Stop setting yourself up for disappointing afternoons. A couple of turnovers and anything southbof two dozen points is a heckuva defensive game.

The rest of the complaints are about the offense. On this one, I’m going with “told you so”. Many of you wanted to give Wilson a multi year deal and visions of a deep playoff run dancing in year heads after he moon balled some mediocre teams. He’s not that guy. His total meltdown against the end schedule gauntlet proves that.

Wilson’s flaws have all come out into the light. He can’t or won’t work the intermediate/middle of the field. He thinks he can outrun guys he no longer can (see the 22 seconds wasted scramble at the end of the game). And he holds the ball forever while only looking downfield until he either takes a sack or panics and checks it down. And for additional spice, Wilson likes to make his OTs look bad by running into pressure.

Unfortunately those bad habits are exacerbated by the flaws in the roster and Smutg's stubbornness as a playcaller. Smith has not really adapted to his team but just plays his stuff. His first down packages are larfeky ineffective. He refuses to play Pickens and Williams at the same time, he runs his condensed 3TE package despite abysmal results, and he's decided he can make Harris an outside zone RB through sheer forve of will. These flaws are not new. His stubbornness in the face of failure and inability to get the ball to his playmakers instead of the backup FB where a large part of why he got fired in Atlanta.

To be fair to Smith, he's doing a ton well also. But much of it is being lost by Fields and Wildons flaws. Smith always attacked defense right down the middle using a lot of TEs and WR breaking in. Aikman highlighted multiple times last night where that was there and Wilson turned it down. As he has for his entire 14 year career. I honestly can not think of a bigger mismatched OC and QB pair.

All of this was pretty predictable from the preseason. But many of you chose to believe you saw a 12-14 win team. And now you're crying in your beer when it didn't meet your inflated expectations.

The 2024 Steelers met or exceeded all of my expectations. Like I honestly thought Queen was going to be a disaster, Frazier and McCormick where gonna get embarrassed, and the defense was going to collapse.

I'm excited about the upcoming seasons. I think they have 4/5 OL positions sorted out for years to come. I think they need more speed and skill on offense. On defense, just keep on keeping on.

Keep collecting lottery tickets at QB. I would like to see them add another offensive coach or two to assist Smith with expanding his perspective and incorporating additional elements into his scheme.

I think after the Ravens, Chiefs, and Bills; there's not another AFC team's roster I'd rather have. The 2024 Steelers are an incomplete team. They're in the middle of transitioning from "totally adrift" on offense "to flawed but there's a plan". Figure out a two pronged approach to QB (Fields and a draft pick?), consider how to get the OL playing better, and they could take a massive leap in 2025.

It wasn't evervas good as you thought in 2024 nor is it as bad as you fear now.

Interesting thoughts. However, You mention attacking the middle of the field. Aikman mentioned this on air several times during the game. My question though is are we sure this is a Wilson issue? We have 7 years of film showing that this is actually the philosophy of the team (ever since Haley left). Coincidentally that was also the last time we won a playoff game. Wilson may have issues but i think its unfair to say he wont use the middle of the field when we know that Tomlin has meddled with the offense over the years and prefers to avoid the middle of the field as it limits turnovers. Aikman kept mentioning the lack of use of crossing routes or slants in the center of the field that would open things up. So here we sit on our third OC (and how many Qb's) since 2018 that this has been a issue. it cant be the QB's with us having had 7 different QB's play since 2018 and all seemed to have the same issue (even Ben). Can't be just the OC's since we have had 3 different ones and doesn't seem like the offense has changed much. So whats the common denominator. Tomlin. If he is not directly influencing it then he is too stupid to realize and correct it. What's the definition of insanity again?

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

Interesting thoughts. However, You mention attacking the middle of the field. Aikman mentioned this on air several times during the game. My question though is are we sure this is a Wilson issue? We have 7 years of film showing that this is actually the philosophy of the team (ever since Haley left). Coincidentally that was also the last time we won a playoff game. Wilson may have issues but i think its unfair to say he wont use the middle of the field when we know that Tomlin has meddled with the offense over the years and prefers to avoid the middle of the field as it limits turnovers. Aikman kept mentioning the lack of use of crossing routes or slants in the center of the field that would open things up. So here we sit on our third OC (and how many Qb's) since 2018 that this has been a issue. it cant be the QB's with us having had 7 different QB's play since 2018 and all seemed to have the same issue (even Ben). Can't be just the OC's since we have had 3 different ones and doesn't seem like the offense has changed much. So whats the common denominator. Tomlin. If he is not directly influencing it then he is too stupid to realize and correct it. What's the definition of insanity again?

Interesting also that Haley was a damn good OC that gets overlooked. Ever since Haley and Lebeau left both sides of the ball haven't been the same.

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[oneforthetoe]

Interesting also that Haley was a damn good OC that gets overlooked. Ever since Haley and Lebeau left both sides of the ball haven't been the same.

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Except there fans calling for Lebeau's head his last few years. Not saying you were one of them, but it was pretty loud. As long as we don't attain the goal many will always call to fire everyone.

BTW I like Hailey. He saved Ben's career by lessening the hits he took ever year.

[ALLD]

Be sure to bring a paper bag to the Baltimore game next week.

[86WARD]

Bengals were without their 1B receiver, OLmen injured and without their number one back. It wasn’t that impressive. When Higgins was in the game, still with an injured OL and still without their RB1, the Bengals were making easy work of the defense. Defense was an abomination. If not for Cams paws, that game is out of control fast.

[Mojouw]

Bengals were without their 1B receiver, OLmen injured and without their number one back. It wasn’t that impressive. When Higgins was in the game, still with an injured OL and still without their RB1, the Bengals were making easy work of the defense. Defense was an abomination. If not for Cams paws, that game is out of control fast.

What defense are you looking to as a bench mark?

The Bengals were only held to less in the opening week when everyone was still sorta hurt and whatever the Giants managed to cook up.

Despite bleeding yards, the Steelers held the Bengals out of the endzone several times and forced a critical 3 and out to get the ball back.

And that's with losing the TOP at close to 3:1. That's 2-3 extra drives the defense faced that even average Steelers offense prevents.

I'm not sure what your barometer is. It feels like it's something no other team is doing. So why would it be possible for the Steelers to do?

[86WARD]

What defense are you looking to as a bench mark?

The Bengals were only held to less in the opening week when everyone was still sorta hurt and whatever the Giants managed to cook up.

Despite bleeding yards, the Steelers held the Bengals out of the endzone several times and forced a critical 3 and out to get the ball back.

And that's with losing the TOP at close to 3:1. That's 2-3 extra drives the defense faced that even average Steelers offense prevents.

I'm not sure what your barometer is. It feels like it's something no other team is doing. So why would it be possible for the Steelers to do?

Just based on last night alone…there was a SIGNIFICANT difference when Higgins was in the game versus Higgins being out of the game and even with him out of the game the defense wasn’t great. Frankly, without two batted down passes and a rare dropped TD by JaMar Chase, that game is easily 33/37 to 17.

Defense hasn’t really been solid there all year. They’ve been pretty porous.