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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    His throwing motion was fine when he had time. And his strengths were throwing with accuracy on the run and mobility. He had accuracy on the deep ball (22 film). Looking at 23 film, it seems in addition to the Canada system, another problem was no 61 was having trouble blocking and pressure was constantly coming up the middle. KP had much less time in 23. Thats were he started bailing a bit early and his throwing motion was off. I dont really like talking about this either though, he’s an Eagle now. If he starts lightning it up somewhere Tomlin will probably be gone or almost gone anyway as i think this is his last contract.
    Did you honestly see KP ever do anything that made you sit up say “That’s why he went in the first round!”?

    I can think of like 3-5 throws his rookie year - primarily against the Raiders and Ravens.

    But in two seasons, a QB makes a handful of good throws and the rest are just table stakes for wearing an NFL uniform - you have to start questioning if the original premise was flawed.

    Like I know the coordinator was bad. The OL leaked. But really picture the times you said “wow! This kid can play!”

    Now do the same with like 2004 Ben R. Looks a bit different, huh?

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Did you honestly see KP ever do anything that made you sit up say “That’s why he went in the first round!”?

    I can think of like 3-5 throws his rookie year - primarily against the Raiders and Ravens.

    But in two seasons, a QB makes a handful of good throws and the rest are just table stakes for wearing an NFL uniform - you have to start questioning if the original premise was flawed.

    Like I know the coordinator was bad. The OL leaked. But really picture the times you said “wow! This kid can play!”

    Now do the same with like 2004 Ben R. Looks a bit different, huh?
    i thought he had the intangibles to be great at the end of 2022. And it wasnt just from one game, he made great passes on the move, from the pocket and showed very good scrambling ability. I wasnt the only one who thought he had it. A few people here who have now soured on him thought he could be our next franchise Qb also. We cut him loose without a full evaluation, thats my view, maybe he was being difficult in the locker room who knows? I dont have that inside info, i just hear rumors. That would explain why they let him go. But i dont buy that it was because they believed he couldnt play.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    i thought he had the intangibles to be great at the end of 2022. And it wasnt just from one game, he made great passes on the move, from the pocket and showed very good scrambling ability. I wasnt the only one who thought he had it. A few people here who have now soured on him thought he could be our next franchise Qb also. We cut him loose without a full evaluation, thats my view, maybe he was being difficult in the locker room who knows? I dont have that inside info, i just hear rumors. That would explain why they let him go. But i dont buy that it was because they believed he couldnt play.
    KP likely has the intangibles.

    He seems to lack the actual tangibles unfortunately.

    And that’s my point. No one talks about actual physical things with KP. It’s all squishy intangibles and vibes. A few people point to accuracy. But that seems to come and go.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    i thought he had the intangibles to be great at the end of 2022. And it wasnt just from one game, he made great passes on the move, from the pocket and showed very good scrambling ability. I wasnt the only one who thought he had it. A few people here who have now soured on him thought he could be our next franchise Qb also. We cut him loose without a full evaluation, thats my view, maybe he was being difficult in the locker room who knows? I dont have that inside info, i just hear rumors. That would explain why they let him go. But i dont buy that it was because they believed he couldnt play.
    The operative word there is "they." I'm guessing there was split among the powers that be over KP at the end. I'm thinking Omar, Art and Mike were probably all in favor of bringing in Russ considering what it costs. Art would be the most likely to want to keep KP and see if he develops over time. Omar has the least connection to KP. With Tomlin, it is hard to tell.

    Of course, it seems like KP is the one that forced the issue by asking to be traded. And that is the point. I am convinced that had he not asked for the trade they would have given him another year at least as a backup (and he would have been playing the first month or so of the season).

    So, for better or worse, KP created his own future.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    There's only so much one can do with 6 inch hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    There's only so much one can do with 6 inch hands.

    Deadpool figured it out.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by cubanstogie View Post
    Even his biggest fan can only muster up “reasonably well” to describe his play. Pretty telling.
    That's it??? That's the best that you can come up with? The worst thing you can say about Kenny Pickett's recent performance is not about anything HE'S done but about what words I used to describe him?

    Pretty telling indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    The length of the activity just means theres no surety he is a bust or that the steelers did the right. This is all up for debate and discussion - as it should be
    BINGO !!!

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by cubanstogie View Post
    To hold you accountable for your erroneous posts.
    I didn't post in this thread until 16 posts were already made, so up until then there were no "erroneous posts" to hold me accountable for.

    Oops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Did you honestly see KP ever do anything that made you sit up say “That’s why he went in the first round!”?
    I saw him make several clutch drives in the 4th quarter to win games.

    I saw him win 7 of 11 games last year even though he was saddled with Matt Canada.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    I didn't post in this thread until 16 posts were already made, so up until then there were no "erroneous posts" to hold me accountable for.

    Oops.

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    I saw him make several clutch drives in the 4th quarter to win games.

    I saw him win 7 of 11 games last year even though he was saddled with Matt Canada.
    If we had a better OL and just let loose instead of waiting until the 4th quarter I think KP would’ve had better results.

    Canada’s play designs were doo doo too

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Look at Ben's early career. Look at Kenny's early career. Good QB in a very good offensive situation. Ok QB in a very bad offensive situation. In my opinion, the best situation for this offense moving forward is Justin Fields. Maybe I don't know all we could have learned, but I think Fields is better suited for our current offensive situation than either Ben or Kenny.

    What is real and what is fantasy?

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    I think people who think Kenny is a franchise quarterback need to identify themselves as Pitt Panther fans. Because that is the only logical explanation for that belief. Sometimes as a fan you just want something to be true so much that you see things that aren't there or fail to see what is actually there.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Look at Ben's early career. Look at Kenny's early career. Good QB in a very good offensive situation. Ok QB in a very bad offensive situation. In my opinion, the best situation for this offense moving forward is Justin Fields. Maybe I don't know all we could have learned, but I think Fields is better suited for our current offensive situation than either Ben or Kenny.

    What is real and what is fantasy?
    I'm with you. I think Justin Fields with the right coaching can be a very good QB. He has a good arm and can kill you with his leg's, If i'm Mike Tomlin I'm making sure he has a very good supporting staff and roll with him for at least next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityboyz View Post
    I'm with you. I think Justin Fields with the right coaching can be a very good QB. He has a good arm and can kill you with his leg's, If i'm Mike Tomlin I'm making sure he has a very good supporting staff and roll with him for at least next season.
    I agree. The Bears haven't faired any better after dumping Fields for some cheesy bread and Caleb Williams, so I don't think Fields was the thing holding that franchise back.

    I would like to see the Steelers sign Fields to a multi-year deal if they can and if he is willing to stay.

    I think he is too much of a talent to just let walk away after we gave up the cheesy bread to get him.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    We’ll know the answer to what to do with the Qb situation in the next few weeks. I dont think its Fields. Hes not an elite or even good passer. If were starting over with a young line and want to develop Fields maybe they should just trade TJ and Cam for pics. Maybe get a new coaching staff except for the two Smiths as well.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    We’ll know the answer to what to do with the Qb situation in the next few weeks. I dont think its Fields. Hes not an elite or even good passer. If were starting over with a young line and want to develop Fields maybe they should just trade TJ and Cam for pics. Maybe get a new coaching staff except for the two Smiths as well.
    Agree. I don't believe Fields will ever be a good enough passer and I'm not impressed by running ability from the QB position because I don't believe that gets you through the playoffs.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Agree. I don't believe Fields will ever be a good enough passer and I'm not impressed by running ability from the QB position because I don't believe that gets you through the playoffs.
    it just gets you in concussion protocol more often

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    We’ll know the answer to what to do with the Qb situation in the next few weeks. I dont think its Fields. Hes not an elite or even good passer. If were starting over with a young line and want to develop Fields maybe they should just trade TJ and Cam for pics. Maybe get a new coaching staff except for the two Smiths as well.
    And who is buying the team?

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneforthetoe View Post
    And who is buying the team?
    Elon Musk; Make the Steelers Great Again…

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Sometimes as a fan you just want something to be true so much that you see things that aren't there or fail to see what is actually there.
    That's exactly how you guys are with Kenny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityboyz View Post
    I'm with you. I think Justin Fields with the right coaching can be a very good QB. He has a good arm and can kill you with his leg's, If i'm Mike Tomlin I'm making sure he has a very good supporting staff and roll with him for at least next season.
    I agree with you. The only problem is that it's going to be very unlikely that he gets the right coaching if he stays with the Steelers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    Elon Musk; Make the Steelers Great Again…
    I don't know if Elon is the guy, but to me Artie Rooney is starting to look like Bob Nutting.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    I saw him win 7 of 11 games last year.

    as REO Speedwagon once said ....... The Tales grow taller on down the line ....

    KP8 was 7-5 in 2023 as a starter PERIOD. not 7out of 11 or as most would say 7-4 but 7-5 according to official statistics
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    as REO Speedwagon once said ....... The Tales grow taller on down the line ....

    KP8 was 7-5 in 2023 as a starter PERIOD. not 7out of 11 or as most would say 7-4 but 7-5 according to official statistics
    You posted this like there was a huge difference.. lmao.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    This is the second time that a member of the Good Ol' Boys has told you what you can and cannot post. That'll teach YOU not to cross the guys who really run this board.

    Notice however that the Good Ol' Boys themselves are still permitted to make as many posts bashing Kenny as they want.

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    And of course you just assume that when a mod finally shows up that he should be taking orders from you.

    P.S. If you Kenny-bashers don't think that anybody should still be making posts about Kenny in the main Steeler forum, why are you all still making posts about Kenny in the main Steeler forum.?
    If Kenny played like trash there would definitely be a thread on it.

    The reason its a problem is because we sit at 10-6 and Russ has struggled vs good teams just like last Kenny did and folks dont want to accept that maybe its more than the QB holding this team back.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    If Kenny played like trash there would definitely be a thread on it.

    The reason its a problem is because we sit at 10-6 and Russ has struggled vs good teams just like last Kenny did and folks dont want to accept that maybe its more than the QB holding this team back.
    I haven't seen that posts where fans are claiming Russ is the next franchise QB for the Steelers. I think if that were going on there would be a lot more 'KP-like' debates on here but about Russ. I think that somehow the 'discussion' on KP has become either/or. Either you are a KP backer and stand against the rest of the organization, OR you stand with the organization and are anti-KP.

    I'm not anti-KP and if he were still here, I would still be a supporter. But he's not. And for whatever the reasons fans want to debate, he is no longer here because HE asked to be traded. Khan did not actively look to trade KP away until he asked to be traded. Was KP THE plan going forward? NO! But he was a part of the plan. Until KP decided he no longer wanted to be a part of the plan. Again, whatever his reason for asking for the trade, HE asked for it. It really is that simple.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    You guys realize that the folks you are arguing about Kenny Pickett with don’t actually care about Kenny Pickett, right?

    It is just another way to get at “Fire Mike Tomlin”. And if they can use win loss to seem like evidence; they don’t have to talk about actual football plays or address the core reason they’re never gonna support Tomlin.

    You can respond with all the analysis of actual game play, scouting reports, stats breakdowns, or other tangible NFL context and you will NEVER get similar in return.

    This isn’t about football. It’s about feelings.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    You guys realize that the folks you are arguing about Kenny Pickett with don’t actually care about Kenny Pickett, right?

    It is just another way to get at “Fire Mike Tomlin”. And if they can use win loss to seem like evidence; they don’t have to talk about actual football plays or address the core reason they’re never gonna support Tomlin.

    You can respond with all the analysis of actual game play, scouting reports, stats breakdowns, or other tangible NFL context and you will NEVER get similar in return.

    This isn’t about football. It’s about feelings.
    Amen!! I still can’t believe this thread was started. There is a perfectly good one on KP in “Around the NFL”. Who gives a flying fart whether we “screwed up” or not. He’s gone and he’s not coming back…..you can blame it on the water boy for all I care, but those are facts. He could become a Hall of Famer or a perennial backup. At this point why should it matter to anyone here.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Russ has been better than Kenny. Fields too for that matter. But regardless if Russ and/or Fields suck, it doesn’t mean that Kenny didn’t suck. Russ has two games to prove himself. If he goes 0-2, I’d prefer they move on. Keep Fields and bring in competition through FA or the draft.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkman View Post
    Amen!! I still can’t believe this thread was started. There is a perfectly good one on KP in “Around the NFL”. Who gives a flying fart whether we “screwed up” or not. He’s gone and he’s not coming back…..you can blame it on the water boy for all I care, but those are facts. He could become a Hall of Famer or a perennial backup. At this point why should it matter to anyone here.
    I created that thread and even bumped it up, but i know Hawaii created a more provocative thread here because it’s tied in with the Steelers ability to evaluate Qb’s.

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    Elon Musk; Make the Steelers Great Again…
    The Pittsburgh Cybertrucks?

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    Re: Did the Steelers Screw Up with Kenny Pickett?

    Are some of you actually doubting the intent of hawaiiansteeler? Most of you here know what he is all about and he has been a solid contributor and poster for years and years at multiple message boards.

    I mean really.....What is wrong with many of you here?

    So he posts a video on a subject that is about the Steelers possibly making a mistake at the QB position. So what??

    It is certainly relevant to the Steelers current situation and it is something that needs to be evaluated to help solve the issue going forward because here's a hint.....it hasn't been solved yet.

    There are zero football people that I know of that believed Matt Canada was a good NFL offensive coordinator. ZERO. That in itself shows that Pickett wasn't supported properly or competently while he was here.

    It is accepted fact that the entire development of Kenny Pickett was not good and his time in Pittsburgh was mangled by the organization and Tomlin because of Canada and the overall support system around him. Anyone that says differently is wearing the Black and Gold glasses trying to protect the team.

    Personally, I have accepted that Pickett is gone and openly root for Wilson and Fields to be great here, but the fact remains that the people that put the structure around Kenny Pickett and kept them there are still with the team. Knowing that there was a big failure with Pickett makes it reasonable to question the decision-makers on what they are doing with the current quarterback position when they are still in place and making those decisions. They don't deserve to get the benefit of the doubt at this point. They need to show that they can create a good offensive environment for quarterbacks to flourish in the current NFL where the ability to score points and quarterback play is at a premium.

    I have read posts from someone here claiming that this version of Russell Wilson is better than Ben ever was at any time here without getting challenged from the people here killing Pickett. Don't talk to me about bad threads and people that don't know what they're talking about.

    Worst thread of the year because he posts a video about a subject that isn't even arguable? They botched the Pickett pick and how they developed him in every way. Period. Saying otherwise shows how little some of you know and how blind you are to anything that questions the Steelers organization in any way.

    I hope that Wilson plays great and we win a super bowl. I hope that Justin Fields is a potential long-term answer. I certainly hope that if neither guy is the answer, that the organization and head coach have learned from what didn't work and make the adjustments to give the team the best chance to succeed. I still think there is a chance it can work, but I am not going to blindly get behind the approach and decisions of the head coach no matter what the results say. I will believe that the offense and the handling and development of quarterbacks is solved when I see it happen on the field.

    It is all very much a work in progress and it should be under scrutiny because of the very recent past.

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