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    Re: My perspective

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    '23 Kenny Pickett had a better record as a starter than '24 Russ Wilson and Justin Fields.

    I mean if you consider 7-5 (Pickett) a better record than 4-2 (Fields) or 6-4 (Wilson) then have at it (combined 10-6) but its not the case
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    I mean if you consider 7-5 (Pickett) a better record than 4-2 (Fields) or 6-4 (Wilson) then have at it (combined 10-6) but its not the case
    Pretty easy math. Pickett 58%, Fields 66%, Wilson 60%.

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    cuban said it best, it's frustration. Fans have no patience they want to win it all every year. And that's ok, but it's totally unrealistic in the NFL. The Steelers just need to get their shit together and be on the same page and gel as a team, it will come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityboyz View Post
    cuban said it best, it's frustration. Fans have no patience they want to win it all every year. And that's ok, but it's totally unrealistic in the NFL. The Steelers just need to get their shit together and be on the same page and gel as a team, it will come.
    2008 was the last time, that was 18 years ago. Weve had the same head coach in all that time with the team frantically going through one Qb after another since Ben, while spending a ton on defense. Fans are understandingly impatient, i think Ownership might be getting impatient too.

    and again, our choices of coordinators has been generally below average

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    2008 was the last time, that was 18 years ago. Weve had the same head coach in all that time with the team frantically going through one Qb after another since Ben, while spending a ton on defense. Fans are understandingly impatient, i think Ownership might be getting impatient too.

    and again, our choices of coordinators has been generally below average
    Compared to other teams, I'd hardly describe our QB situation as you did. We drafted one guy and he didn't work out. A couple backups played, but they weren't any more than that. This year, they were smart and brought two guys in. Under the circumstances, they handled it perfectly this year. Results are to be determined in the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Compared to other teams, I'd hardly describe our QB situation as you did. We drafted one guy and he didn't work out. A couple backups played, but they weren't any more than that. This year, they were smart and brought two guys in. Under the circumstances, they handled it perfectly this year. Results are to be determined in the playoffs.
    maybe frantic is a bit harsh, but we did have Mason, Duck, Mitch, KP, and now Fields and Russ. All those guys were thrown out there with the hope they would be the next guy. Maybe Russ finishes the year strong and sticks around for a couple years, but it does seem we’ve gone through a number of Qb’s since Ben retired. I wouldn’t call how they've handled the Qb situation ‘smart’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    maybe frantic is a bit harsh, but we did have Mason, Duck, Mitch, KP, and now Fields and Russ. All those guys were thrown out there with the hope they would be the next guy. Maybe Russ finishes the year strong and sticks around for a couple years, but it does seem we’ve gone through a number of Qb’s since Ben retired. I wouldn’t call how they've handled the Qb situation ‘smart’.
    At least they didn't all wear the same number. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    At least they didn't all wear the same number. Lol
    yeah, all with zero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    maybe frantic is a bit harsh, but we did have Mason, Duck, Mitch, KP, and now Fields and Russ. All those guys were thrown out there with the hope they would be the next guy. Maybe Russ finishes the year strong and sticks around for a couple years, but it does seem we’ve gone through a number of Qb’s since Ben retired. I wouldn’t call how they've handled the Qb situation ‘smart’.
    They never hoped Duck would be the guy. And Mitch was always a stop gap in their view. Kenny is the one they hoped would be the guy. And this year it was a one or the other scenario, not both. I get the frustration. It all underscores how hard it is to find a franchise quarterback. I’d rather them try a few than stick with one who sucks for four years.

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    Now it is just getting ridiculous.

    Duck and Mason were backups who played because of injury and ineffectiveness. And, yes, I remember what Colbert said about Rudolph.

    Trubisky was signed to be a meat shield until they wanted to put KP on the field.

    KP asked to no longer be part of the team.

    Wilson was an almost zero cost bet on former greatness.

    Fields only played because Wilson was on the shelf with an old man injury for a couple months.

    None of this was frantic. Frantic is what the Colts did with Richardson and Flacco. Or the Raiders with their stack of awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Now it is just getting ridiculous.

    Duck and Mason were backups who played because of injury and ineffectiveness. And, yes, I remember what Colbert said about Rudolph.

    Trubisky was signed to be a meat shield until they wanted to put KP on the field.

    KP asked to no longer be part of the team.

    Wilson was an almost zero cost bet on former greatness.

    Fields only played because Wilson was on the shelf with an old man injury for a couple months.

    None of this was frantic. Frantic is what the Colts did with Richardson and Flacco. Or the Raiders with their stack of awful.
    Jets have pretty frantic QB situation too. Never thought I’d use that adjective on this topic but trying to stay with the theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubanstogie View Post
    Jets have pretty frantic QB situation too. Never thought I’d use that adjective on this topic but trying to stay with the theme.
    Hah! Yeah. And they did it to themselves.

    Signing Rodgers is a sensible football move. But then letting him call all the shots when he’s clearly in decline was pretty dumb and a self inflicted wound they didn’t need.

    A shocking number of NFL teams are just badly run.

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    How soon we forget, there was a hope all of those guys would stick and become capable starters. Even Duck. It is what it is, we didnt spend much capital on a Qb as long as Ben was here. Now we have to catch up. hopefully Russ can stick around for a couple years.

    Packers seem to be doing it with a bit more pre planning in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    How soon we forget, there was a hope all of those guys would stick and become capable starters. Even Duck. It is what it is, we didnt spend much capital on a Qb as long as Ben was here. Now we have to catch up. hopefully Russ can stick around for a couple years.

    Packers seem to be doing it with a bit more pre planning in mind.
    I don't think Tomlin wanted Mason to be a capable started. He seemed almost frustrated when he played well last year. I also think Khan wasn't sold on KP and since he didn't draft him he was good with moving on to Wilson.

    I know folks swear Kenny quite but that dude knew damn well Wilson was the starter the moment he was signed. Tomlin told him Wilson was in pole position.

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    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar

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    Re: My perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    How soon we forget, there was a hope all of those guys would stick and become capable starters. Even Duck. It is what it is, we didnt spend much capital on a Qb as long as Ben was here. Now we have to catch up. hopefully Russ can stick around for a couple years.

    Packers seem to be doing it with a bit more pre planning in mind.
    Other than KP none of the others were starting options.

    Anyone who thought Mason, Duck, and Mitch were viable starters was a delusional homer.

    KP had his shot. He missed it with the Steelers. Who knows what happens for him in Philly.

    For the Steelers? On to the next option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    I don't think Tomlin wanted Mason to be a capable started. He seemed almost frustrated when he played well last year. I also think Khan wasn't sold on KP and since he didn't draft him he was good with moving on to Wilson.

    I know folks swear Kenny quite but that dude knew damn well Wilson was the starter the moment he was signed. Tomlin told him Wilson was in pole position.
    I'm sure that disappointed Kenny, but that didn't mean the Steelers were giving up on him or that he couldn't have regained the starting position here. If he keeps his mouth shut and works to improve his play, he could have taken over for Wilson at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    They never hoped Duck would be the guy. And Mitch was always a stop gap in their view. Kenny is the one they hoped would be the guy. And this year it was a one or the other scenario, not both. I get the frustration. It all underscores how hard it is to find a franchise quarterback. I’d rather them try a few than stick with one who sucks for four years.
    They really whiffed on Kenny . I think most here said as much on draft day and many pros said the same.. then it was proven. Maybe with better coaching and a decent coordinator he would be better but he was never gonna be the guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    How soon we forget, there was a hope all of those guys would stick and become capable starters. Even Duck. It is what it is, we didnt spend much capital on a Qb as long as Ben was here. Now we have to catch up. hopefully Russ can stick around for a couple years.

    Packers seem to be doing it with a bit more pre planning in mind.
    That's all well and good. But had they passed on Love and picked up the best WR or pass rushers. Maybe they don't drive Rodgers away and win a second SB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Now it is just getting ridiculous.

    Duck and Mason were backups who played because of injury and ineffectiveness. And, yes, I remember what Colbert said about Rudolph.

    Trubisky was signed to be a meat shield until they wanted to put KP on the field.

    KP asked to no longer be part of the team.

    Wilson was an almost zero cost bet on former greatness.

    Fields only played because Wilson was on the shelf with an old man injury for a couple months.

    None of this was frantic. Frantic is what the Colts did with Richardson and Flacco. Or the Raiders with their stack of awful.
    Frantic is what the Browns do annually.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Frantic is what the Browns do annually.
    At this point, frantic is justified in Cleveland. They arguably have the worst quarterback room in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Other than KP none of the others were starting options.

    Anyone who thought Mason, Duck, and Mitch were viable starters was a delusional homer.

    KP had his shot. He missed it with the Steelers. Who knows what happens for him in Philly.

    For the Steelers? On to the next option.
    The Steelers picked up Mason in the third, some say as purely a backup some as a possible heir to Ben. Duck was inserted as the starter when they werent happy with Mason’s performance. Mitch was brought in after Ben retired as a starter, you can argue as a stop gap but if he played well they're not rushing to draft a Qb with a high pick. KP didnt work out. Now were here with Russ and Fields, who knows if they're here next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    The Steelers picked up Mason in the third, some say as purely a backup some as a possible heir to Ben. Duck was inserted as the starter when they werent happy with Mason’s performance. Mitch was brought in after Ben retired as a starter, you can argue as a stop gap but if he played well they're not rushing to draft a Qb with a high pick. KP didnt work out. Now we’re here with Russ and Fields, who knows if they're here next year.
    I’d guess Rudolph drafted to fill Ben’s shoes. I think they figured out quickly plan wasn’t going to work so tried Hail Marys with Haskins, Trubisky and Paxton Lynch. Much less successful than Aaron Rodgers at Hail Marys. The positives are all low risk moves like this year.

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    I personally think they should have STUCK WITH DUCK! We’ll never know…

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityboyz View Post
    cuban said it best, it's frustration. Fans have no patience they want to win it all every year. And that's ok, but it's totally unrealistic in the NFL. The Steelers just need to get their shit together and be on the same page and gel as a team, it will come.
    Actually we do have the patience. Heck a lot of people have even said they would accept losing and a few 4-13 seasons if it meant getting us a shot at a real franchise QB. Like I said earlier we seem to be caught in the "insanity" loop and keep doing the same thing over and over.

    One thing now is that I'm older and loses are gone 15 minutes later as opposed to days later. These guys get paid millions and them winning is fun to me but that's where it stops. My life and kids are way more important than the NFL. The NFL could go away tomorrow and I'd be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubanstogie View Post
    I’d guess Rudolph drafted to fill Ben’s shoes. I think they figured out quickly plan wasn’t going to work so tried Hail Marys with Haskins, Trubisky and Paxton Lynch. Much less successful than Aaron Rodgers at Hail Marys. The positives are all low risk moves like this year.
    I wouldn't associate those guys with hail mary. Particularly true for Haskins and Lynch. They were more like a five-yard pass on 3rd and 25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCSteeler View Post
    That's all well and good. But had they passed on Love and picked up the best WR or pass rushers. Maybe they don't drive Rodgers away and win a second SB

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzraTank View Post
    Actually we do have the patience. Heck a lot of people have even said they would accept losing and a few 4-13 seasons if it meant getting us a shot at a real franchise QB. Like I said earlier we seem to be caught in the "insanity" loop and keep doing the same thing over and over.

    One thing now is that I'm older and loses are gone 15 minutes later as opposed to days later. These guys get paid millions and them winning is fun to me but that's where it stops. My life and kids are way more important than the NFL. The NFL could go away tomorrow and I'd be fine.
    The problem with that rationale is that a few 4-13 seasons doesn’t guarantee you get that guy. I just can’t adopt that mentality. But to each their own.

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    I'd suffer a 6-10 to get Big Ben, but that's not happening until Watt retires

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    Heck we couldn't be this bad...

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