Foking up crap like he did in Detroit ?
Foking up crap like he did in Detroit ?
I think he's the one the other defensive players are singling out as not doing his job.
Me too, I remember talking to a Detroit homer on another board last year and he kept b!tching about Sutton ruining their defense and saying he was the weak link always out of position.Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
I do too.
It’s either him or Minkah. And somehow I doubt it’s Minkah.
I have a feeling it is both of them because I have seen a bunch of times this season where Minkah is out of his spots and takes poor angles. By far his worse season and Sutton is even worse and doesn't need to be seeing the field. I've got a feeling that Sutton's head ain't right or is not in the right place. He looks lost and this was occuring at Detroit as well. I believe his personal life is getting the best of him.
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But in Minkah's defense he is the safety and the last line of defense and it's hard for him to try and cover someone else's mistakes. Sutton is THE main problem.
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But Minkah isn't the only safety though. If they can fix the communication issues half the problems will correct itself.
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Receivers have been running wide open for a few years now. Sutton wasn’t here when that was happening before.
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That's true and that's because we are running same tired defensive scheme for years
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This season the Steelers pretty much run man based coverages. How is that “tired”?
For years they were a zone team. Everyone bitched and moaned.
Then they worked hard to acquire man capable players and stopped running zone. People still bitch and moan.
Should they go back to zone?
Ummm they are using zone more than anything, yes it's a tired scheme that doesn't work and hasn't for years. This is the reason TE's are wide open and the middle of the field is always open, for years. They are in no way using more man coverage this year, it's the same zone shit they have been using for years, thus it being a tired scheme. Hell, Tomlin alluded to it during the press conference the other day saying Kelce was a zone killer, but we still run that defense against KC and teams that have dominant TE's. Makes no sense! I've been wanting them to play more man coverage cause that's what the players they have are accustomed to playing.
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Even the announcers were talking about it during the games about the zone defense we over use. Brady constantly killed us because we were 80% using zone. There is no "scheme" at all with the defense whether we use man or zone, that's the main issue, there are no wrinkles to disguise our defense. LeBeau was the last great DC that was the best at disguising. Pretty much opposing QB's know where they are going with the ball pre snap.
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Everything I’ve read says Steelers are a man heavy team. Obviously with zone mixed in.
I wouldn’t go by what the Netflix announcers said. They were wrong about a great deal.
Another way of putting it is what do other NFL teams run? Are the Steelers significantly different?
Y’all are going to have to demonstrate the “scheme is bad” before you move me off “the players are messing it up”.
IMO its not that the scheme is bad as much as its predictable and other teams pretty much know what is coming pre snap .... there is no disguising what they are trying to do ....
TJ has been struggling to get pressures but have you seen them move him around any ?
how about bringing in Herbig 5-8 snaps a game on the inside and make them guess what you are doing ... maybe Bring herbig in in place of TJ and move TJ inside a few snaps , give teams some different looks with some different personnel groupings ... we are sooooooooooooo predictable ..The scheme worked pretty well early on and the longer the season has went on the more people know whats coming
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
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The pass rush is not getting home as often this year because offenses are getting the ball out faster vs us than before. I don't think it matters much where TJ lines up. You can use that tactic vs us because Wilson/Fields hold the ball longer than other QBs. At least that is what the stats tell us.
How can receivers run wide open, week after week after week after week after week after year after year and it not improve with different players rotating in and out through the weeks and years? I don't see receivers this wide open in other games...not like what we see here. TEs just find a hole, sit down in it and gain 15 yards with 4 defenders around them, equally spaced from said TE. It's the same story every week.
The only players that have been on that defense consistently throughout that period have been Cam Heyward, Minkah FItzpatrick and TJ Watt. So it's one of those players that "are messing it up" year in and year out, week in and week out. Otherwise its the scheme that doesn't work no matter what players are there?
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So why are opposing receivers able to get open so much faster then? I would think that would be an easier fix to disrupt that quick passing.
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Vs the Chiefs the short middle was open every play. I don't know why. I'm sure we would need to go game by game to have that discussion.
I wonder if our receivers get wide open in practice, lol. It’s frustrating watching kelce catch pass without a black jersey within 5 yards. I’ve never seen him have to catch a contested pass. Then on flip side almost every pass play from our offense contested. Austin is the new Canada. Hopefully they figure something out .
Maybe it's because the guys we supposedly have to run man coverage can not cover well enough so they roll the dice and play zone and tackle the catch. This is what I see game after game, I don't know guys, maybe I'm seeing it wrong or not understanding it.
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Sorry, I was not clear, I wasn't talking about the Netflix announcers on specifically the Chiefs , I'm talking about the games against the Ravens and the Eagles, that was regularly talked about of how much Zone we run.
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I see wide ass open receivers in every game I watch. Usually get to see 2-3 a week counting Steelers.
I don’t see them like I do in the Steelers game and I definitely rarely see receivers covered like the Steelers are on a regular basis. It’s somewhere in between.
The Steelers wideouts are covered because they stink. Van Jefferson has been covered since 2020 or so. Even at home. He couldn’t get separation from his countertop.
CA3 has been running free at times same with PF and even Skrow got loose more than once.
I think it just feels like folks are running free against the Steelers more because we care about the game. Don’t know for sure. But I regularly see dudes wandering through defenses uncovered in non Steelers games.
It’s been like that no matter who the WRs are for the last several years. Pickens doesn’t suck. He’s never open. He’s not even NFL open most of the time.
Yeah. We’re not going agree on this. I don’t see the same thing.
For instance, Diontae Johnson could separate from his own skin. Dude was open a lot.
PF, as much as I get on about him, seems to find a lot of holes out there. Wish he got the ball more.
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We don't have receivers like AB, Hines or Heath who knew how to find the open spots or run back to the QB when the QB is in trouble. Even Randle El could find some open spots.
No QB to "elevate" receivers like Ben did. How many receivers did he make them look good. Wilson is too old. Even younger Russ made receivers look good.
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Then, if we are poor at tackling then those are huge gains. Our tackling was atrocious those 3 games so there's that.
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The poor tackling comes from players trying to do too much, I suspect. Thinking they have to do more to make up for somebody else seems like a more likely explanation for me than that they suddenly forgot how to tackle. The defense was probably starting to believe their own press, about how they were elite defense, and then suddenly the Eagles, who played like an elite offense, cause them to panic and now they are in this funk. Just my penny and half.
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It could be Sutton. I wonder if the comments by the players are actually intended for the coaches. In other words, please stop playing these guys. I am not a Tomlin basher. The players clearly still respect Tomlin and by nature his assistants. Even Canada got respect from the team much longer than he would have on any other team. They won't call any coaches out because that would never fly in Pittsburgh. However, calling out an anonymous player is their way of getting the message out. Of course, when you are missing 3/4 of your starting secondary that does limit your options.
My thinking is that injuries could cause them to play more zone.
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