The Browns QB Jersey was they all wore #2 AND the list was so long.
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The Browns QB Jersey was they all wore #2 AND the list was so long.
They all wore different numbers. It just started with Couch.Originally Posted by Born2Steel
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Wilson can win a SB if his team has a stifling defense (which we don't) paired with a near unstoppable running game (Marshawn Lynch and that O-Line ain't what we have), but otherwise he's not going to elevate your chances all that much. I'd rather move on with Justin Fields at this point.
“They say you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone. So I got rid of everything to see what I had.” ~ Steven Wright
Please share the substances you're partaking in if you think Wilson can win a SB.
That thought process makes it hard to put a ton of stock in any other statements someone would make.
Reproduce the conditions that allowed Trent Dilfer to win a Super Bowl.
There's a reason every attempt at that in 25 years has failed.
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Dilfer and every other outlier QB you can find has an elite defense. That is the equalizer to having a franchise QB. A franchise QB with an elite defense is nearly unbeatable.
I think if you have the QB you just need a pretty good defense to be just about unbeatable.
Well that's basically what Seattle did, which actually worked really well, except for when they put their fate in Wilson's hands and we all know how that turned out. Balt never would've had Dilfer in a spot with the game on the line, because the outcome was predictable, and somehow Pete Carrol thought otherwise.
“They say you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone. So I got rid of everything to see what I had.” ~ Steven Wright
I think the point is that "the Super Bowl Window is Still Open!"
Oh man, where have I heard that before?
let him walk. Wilson is a has been and not worth new contract.Keep Fields for future.
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The talk on radio is the Jets and Aaron Glenn may be done with Aaron Rodgers.
My question is, everything else being equal with money, length of contract, etc..... who would you rather have if we are bringing in a veteran QB? Russ or A-a-ron? I know most would say neither. But imagine one or the other has to happen. Who would you rather?
If I had to pick one, I’d go with Russ. At least he wants to be in Pittsburgh. I think Rogers should call it a day.
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I think if I'm only comparing QB to QB, I'm taking Rodgers. If you can ignore the rest of his life, what he is able to do on the field is just better than most. I think better than Russ even.
Understand, I don't really want either. But I thought it might be a fun conversation and yield some interesting thoughts if this was the only choice and we had to pick who we wanted.
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That's fair.
Russell Wilson's Next Contract
should be somewhere else!!
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
A-a-Ron is a franchise killer at this point in his career. He is only willing and capable of running "his" offense with "his guys". This means you have to warp your offense and roster to a point that it means starting over after he leaves. He is incapable of mentoring players off the field to elevate those around him and he is no longer capable of elevating those around him on the field.
Rodgers is all downside and zero upside at this point.
Wilson at least can serve as a mentor and a leader for the rest of the locker room. Even if on field he is not worth it.
dont think I could suffer through either .... Hell give me a 7th round rookie at least then I have some amount of hope they improve even a tiny bit ...with those two there is no hope
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
I have no interest in either one either. But Rodgers is a worse choice than Wilson...if you have to pick the lesser of two crappy ideas and all that.
Not sure a place like this would survive that ...
I get where you are coming from but if we take just the last 5 games Russ has played and look at that RAPID decline in play from the first 5 games he started here ...then I am not so certain..IMO BOTH should be backups or retire in ARods case as you laid out rather well he would be pretty worthless as a backup and mentor because he is a 1 system guy and needs to have his old crew to go along with him or it doesn't work and his crew is getting to old to play too as Running 30 yards down the field over and over after 30 or so becomes harder and harder to do and a lot of his crew is well past 30
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Neither but if i had to pick one it would be Rodgers I've had enough of moonball Russ
Even if Russ does suck, do the Steelers have a choice? The Steelers don't have a quarterback going into 2025. They dropped Pickett and Rudolph and made moves to be competitive in '24 only to stay right at the same spot they ended. A late season flameout and another blowout in the wildcard round.
They're picking in the middle in the draft, the Defense just got older, they have no draft capital, and there is no real move they can make to change the direction of the team. It's looking likely they're not winning or contending anytime soon, so run it back with Russ and a diminished roster in '25, and hope for the best. With a schedule looking just as tough as 2024, 2025 is looking to be extremely painful, but needed season.
the either or (Russ or Arod) Proposition is almost another way of asking who is more likely to get us a top 5 draft pick in 2026
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
It's good either way. This current core is at its ceiling. Do they want to slowly decline or fast decline?
You guys need to kinda take a deep breath and zen out a bit.
There are no good options for getting a QB besides tanking for a top 3 pick or trading for a Stafford like veteran the one time a decade they come on the market. That's it. There is no FA signing. No coach and QB magic combination that gets you out of QB limbo. The two best combinations of playcaller and vet QB we have seen in the past 5 years (Johnson/Goff and Oconnell/Cousins+Darnold) end up in the same place as the Steelers. A playoff fizzle.
As fans, each of us needs to just acknowledge that reality. There are two things NFL teams can do:
1. Tank for a top pick
2. Find the best roll of the dice they can every season until something better shakes loose.
That's it. There is no realistic third option. Would you rather watch a 3 win season with Gardner Minshew or some other never was at the helm, or Fields + Draft Pick and see what happens?
I know that I am picking option 2.
And for the "we have no QB options for 2025....wah wah wah....". I point you to Justin Fields. Sure he is a FA. BUT...he has worked with the existing staff and seems to have totally bought in the message and approach. He gets to choose where he signs. If you were Fields, would you sign with an unknown franchise who is also drafting a QB and likely running a system for that draft pick or would you re-up with a known situation that seems to mesh with your skillset? I struggle to think of a better landing spot for Fields than Pittsburgh. Even if they draft Alabama guy or Texas Guy....if I am Fields, I figure I can beat those dudes out drunk and high.
I am all for signing fields to a 3 year deal that is voidable after 2 if it doesn't work out ...a few issues with it are
1) we are normally slow to negotiate and if we get into a bidding war we might not retain him
2) a rookie this draft reminds me to much of a rookie a few years back when we drafted Kenny and you draft a guy who should have stayed on the board 3 or 4 more rounds because you think he is the best available
3) does this scouting department even know how to properly evaluate a QB? I am not convinced that they can ... especially if there is any truth to the article I read yesterday saying many within the steelers organization believe that Alabama QB Jalen Milroe is going to be a franchise QB and they really like him and have a 1st round grade on him .... (IMO for what it is worth , hes a 4th rounder at best ) as his accuracy is abysmal esp if he has to move his feet ... he is a hell of a runner tho and might make someone a pretty good RB
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
That’s the details and they’re important. But I’m talking about the process. I did a detailed tour of Steelers message boards this week. Had the flu, what else do I got going on?
And it’s all hyperventilating nonsense about doom and gloom this and that. Everyone is echoing the clickbait nonsense that somehow the Steelers are exceptional and can win deep into the playoffs without excellent QB play. But, at the same time, they’re a doomed organization because they don’t have an easily identifiable path to excellence at the QB position.
Welcome to the reality the rest of the NFL has been living in for 10-15 years or so. Until you have a QB, your team is not playing the same sport.
Honestly, I think Roethlisberger’s tenure overlapping with the evolution of the NFL into an overwhelmingly QB required league has blinded many Steelers fans to the harsh reality that there are only a small handful of teams capable/likely of winning playoff games each year. And if you don’t have a top 10 caliber QB; your team ain’t on the list.
I’ve been saying this for at least 3 years. The Steelers BEST proactive plan is to trade back in the upcoming draft for future picks. Keep doing that annually until you make a Chiefs like move for Mahomes.
They won’t do that because they have an organizational philosophy to NOT take resources off the table during current season for the sake of future seasons. That’s likely an ownership mandate. Backed by coaching and GM. Now, will Khan force a change in that POV? No idea but it will be fun to find out.
As to scouting QBs, who knows. No one does it well. They got Ben right. They got KP sorta wrong. While I wouldn’t have drafted him; he’s likely going to be the best of the draft class over the span of time.
Next guy? Again, no one knows. Milroe or whatever his name is looks flawed and undeveloped right now. But he looks to have a far higher ceiling than any of the other QBs in the class. I wouldn’t draft him in Round 1 but Round 2? Sure. Round 3? Absolutely.
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I am going with Fields for the same reasons but also for one additional reason. We have to see if Smith's offense really has any NFL life. Wilson can't run his offense anymore. Even if Fields doesn't develop into a "Franchise QB," he is the perfect for Smith's offense, and we should get a good evaluation of Smith's offense with Fields at the helm.
Fields seems to be the “best” answer for 2025. And you’ve identified a few more.
Do you guys NOW understand why it was such a disaster to swap out Pickett for Wilson?
I'm willing to bet you still don't.
Rodgers body is toast. He should have retired when his Achilles injury happened. Like Ben trying to come back from his elbow injury, he just can't do the things that made him great anymore because his body is breaking down. Father time remains undefeated.
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