No way. Darnold is nothing without O’Connell.Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
No way. Darnold is nothing without O’Connell.
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how do we know that?
The only thing Russ Wilson should get from the Steelers is a bus ticket.
You can't give him a contract with how the season is ending. You just can't.
There are back up that could run a better 2 min drill than what Russ just did.
to be fair Moore became a turnstyle and PF became Jackie Smith. It wasnt only Russ, but i do think he ran out of gas in this last four game stretch. Thats the risk we ran by trotting a 36 year old out there this season.
Russ was bad, O-Line was worse. I’d still take Russ over the WB room they had last season…especially at his price.
i hope the Steelers explore other options. 37 year old Russ will not be better than this years version
Nope
I’d sign Fields before Wilson or Fields to start and Wilson on a one year deal to support Fields.
You are an idiot.
2-min drill.
2 yards loss on check down instead of a throw away, tackled in bounds
2 yard gain in bounds
10 yard slant in bounds
2 yard scramble instead of throwing it away, tackles in bounds
sacked.
over throwing a great double move from Pickens(need another look)
true, Russ made critical mistakes on the pass to pickens and the 2 yd run. But Moore got beat on the sack and PF dropped a perfect pass to end the drive - and game
No way I'm giving Wilson anything
I definitely would not resign Wilson!! I've seen enough!
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Wilson’s price just went to $20M. Fields probably around $12M. Trade for McCarthy and start over.
See, this is a possible option that I was thinking of. I think the issue will be that McCarthy would be graded higher than most if not all of the QB in the upcoming draft, so MIN is going to want something like 2#1 picks at minimum for McCarthy, who is a great prospect but nothing proven at all.
I still think its the best option to re tool at QB, other than shooting for a 3-14 season and a top draft pick to get a QB.
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51 yards passing with like 9 minutes left in the game is not what we were all told we were getting.
4.8 yard per attempt is not what we were told we were getting.
Making all the wrong decisions under pressure with the clock running down, missing a player wide open for the win, getting confused by one of the worst defenses in the NFL, and making all those mistakes with years and years of experience is not what we were told we were getting.
The fourth straight game with 17 or fewer points. The worst since 2003.
The four-game losing streak to end the season is the worst since 1998.
It's not what we were told we were getting by many here. You know, the ones that keep insulting anyone that says something they don't agree with.
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Likely, Russ' final game coming up.
I honestly dont think so. I think Tomlin is going to push to extend Russ a contract. Russ is a Virginia guy with track record of success and Tomlin gets starry eyed for guys like that from the area where he grew up (Mike Vick, Darrius Heyward-Bey, etc).
We will see, but I think we sell them prioritize Russ over Fields, although I think rolling with a 36 year old guy with declining ability is not the move to make.
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I hope not. But, we will see.
https://steelersdepot.com/2025/01/ku...-see-a-scheme/
Kurt Warner on Wilson. Basically says there is no fancy scheme answer. There is no adjustment. Wilson is just flat out laying eggs right now. Backs up what many of us saw last night. Wilson looked totally befuddled by the Bengals defense. And I do not believe they were doing super advanced stuff.
Unless Russell Wilson pulls his head out of his hindquarters and plays like a guy who has seen a thing or two before in the NFL...the Steelers are sunk. Honestly, unless someone can show me different or help me understand how the offense as a whole has dragged Wilson down (which I am willing to believe BTW) -- I think Danger Russ needs to stop tarnishing his legacy and hang 'em up.
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Warner is seeing what I saw and is saying most of what we talked about during the game. Wilson just looks lost and has not found an answer to the 2 high safety shell defenses that teams have been throwing at them. He will not stay in the pocket and take those intermediate routes. Teams have openly said that Wilson only looks deep or dumps it off. Aikman said the same thing during the game last night. That's damning when it is so obvious to anyone watching that he actively avoids much of the field. I'm actually surprised that Aikman is willing to say that out loud on national television, but I am happy he is being honest and not trying to protect Wilson. I was happy to see them show the opposing defensive coach saying it to the team on Hard Knocks.
I don't want this to go down a rabbit hole, but Wilson is doing much of what everyone bitched about with Pickett, only he has over a decade and a half of experience that should give him answers out there on the field. Sadly, it has not. He leaves the pocket when the protection is good. He runs right into the pass rush all the time because he doesn't want to stay in the pocket. Teams have been playing the shell defenses to take the deep ball away, and he holds the ball and takes sacks. Even when he dumps it off, it isn't on time in a progression. It is a last second heave that usually has a defender hitting the back behind the line of scrimmage.
The numbers in the last four games are worse than any stretch with Pickett and Canada....and that was unwatchable.
Here's another article breaking down how bad the numbers are over the last 4 games. IT's even worse than you probably think. They haven't led for a single second of even one of these games. Freaking sad.
https://steelersnow.com/inside-the-n...-game-drought/
None of it is surprising.
3/4 of the league runs some sort of two high whatever as organizations have all rushed to copy something within shouting distance of "Fangio".
You have to either run them out of it or kill them underneath to force one of those safeties to come down.
From what my uneducated and inexperienced eye can see; Smith knows this and tries to move the safeties with running and in breaking short-intermediate routes that his QB just ignores.
I've never been all that high on Wilson working out. I've got no problem admitting I was extremely excited when he started attacking deep at a record pace. Like many, I wondered what his adjustment would be when defense focused on taking the moon all away. I really didn't think it would be totally melting down. I mean Wilson made so many basic mistakes on that finsl drive that it looks to me like he's lost the plot completely. I can't remember the last time I saw a veteran QB with his track record just fall apart like that.
I've also got no issue saying Wilson looks as bad as Pickett. He does.
I think the extreme overreacting when Wilson won some games and the entire NFL world lost their minds and got way out over their skis with tagging the Steelers as a SB contender was ridiculously out of touch. Just as the total overreacting now to the Steelers being outclassed by superior teams during a brutal closing stretch is more than a bit silly.
The Steelers made a no cost bet on a dangerously flawed aging former star. It is a bet that NFL teams in need of immediate QB help make all the time (Atlanta-Cousins, Colts-Rivers, Jets-Rodgers, Teams-Favre, and the list goes on). Fortunately for the Steelers, it cost them exactly diddly squat and impacted any future roster priorities not at all.
Unless one wanted the team to "tank for Ward" or some such nonsense, they still did the "best" plan they could've for 2024.
Unfortunately, Wilson came undone in real time.
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Can’t argue with anything here, the only issue is what to do moving forward. I know some here are keen on Fields, but he is now more than a career backup in my eyes. He hasn’t shown anything resembling a QB his entire NFL career and it’s not like we have a QB coach or OC to work with him. So what then? Fix the OL and get another good WR for some random castoff next season? Give Russ a contract (which is what I think Tomlin will push for) and hope for the best? It is frustrating cause we are wasting the prime years of TJ and Minkah and maybe Cam has another great year or 2 left to waste.
I have no idea what the right move is.
I do know I'd rather have Fields for 2025 than the 5 through 8th QB off the board - assuming the usual run on QBs takes place. But it isn't like my track record on any of this is anything but poor.
Past that? They're stuck like every other team looking for the answer at QB.
It cost them Kenny Pickett.
I knew I read a poster on here before the game saying what Aikman said, so credit goes to you. Russ has been figured out and resorting to his 1st bad season in Denver. How long does Tomlin let him play Saturday before putting Fields in is the question now?
Russ has always been at a disadvantage because hes smaller. If people see him bailing a clean pocket its probably because hes looking for a better view downfield. Its not because he forgot how to read defenses. It may also be because his body is taking a beating and it may be a little harder to recover week to week. And he may not be as eager to get hit. Could be a combination of both. KP is a different matter, he was in a mess of an offense, and the o line was worse than it is now
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We will see what happens but definitely in the keep Fields camp now. Russ's decision making was terrible last night, and that aspect of his game is supposed to make up for deteriorating physical play. I will say this though, if they do sign Russ because they don't see it in Fields or he gets a big offer elsewhere, I don't think that necessarily sets us back that far. I assume any contract Russ sign would be somewhat reasonable and would hardly preclude us from searching for a young QB in the next few drafts.
But Art when calls me for advice like he does every year I will tell him to sign Fields.
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