Reasons for Trump's Victory—Please Keep This Civil

[Craic]

So, I have been thinking about why Trump won last night winning both the popular and electoral college votes. There are those who were simply going to vote for Trump and others who would vote for the "R" regardless of whose name was there. But, they voted for Trump in the last two elections. What about those who didn't vote for him last election? I think there's a few reasons.

1. Economy. Not much has to be said about this.
2. The optics of a a weaponized judiciary. I am not arguing whether the charges and convictions against Trump are legitimate, rather, I'm arguing the way it has been perceived. I think at least part of Trump's election was backlash against what people perceived was a weaponized judiciary against political opponents.
3. Backlash against the press. Once again, I'm arguing perception, not whether it is true or not. But, I think many people looked everything that was being said about Trump, and started to doubt the reporting. Consequently, part of their vote may be a middle finger to the press (as well as talking heads and some Democrats) who tried what came across as a scorched earth policy against Trump.
4. He's gangsta! Trump, standing up with security all around him and bleeding from the ear with a fist in the air, was a visual that some people simply could not get out of their head.

Again, most who voted for Trump did so either because they vote for the Republican candidate, whoever it is, or because they are Trump voters. I'm talking here about those who chose to vote for him for the first time or those who didn't vote for him in the last elections but did in the election cycle before.

[ALLD]

Regular people who work for a living and pay taxes got tired of being criticized by the media for maintaining traditional American values while the government was in fact directly responsible for their financial stress.

The adults will be back in charge and things will begin to make sense soon enough. Up will be up. Men will be men and women will be women. The death culture of killing babies will not be federalized.

[Born2Steel]

I think it was for the same reason(s) Reagan was able to beat Carter in a landslide. The previous administration was simply ineffective. Nothing that they did helped anyone. The wealthy, the middle class, the poor, the homeless, immigrants, nobody's better today than 4 years ago. That is just a fiscal impossibility in most every case. Yet somehow here we are.

Topic of social reforms and civil rights saw an initial improvement that gave way to typical government lip service.

I honestly think there was a need for 'something is better than nothing'. Just couldn't do another 4 years of nothing.

[Mach1]

I think this pretty much sums it up.

Dear Leftist Losers,
Americans have unequivocally sent you a message last night. That message is:

You suck. We are tired of your insane ideas, your disgusting vitriol, your policies that make everything more expensive, your high taxes, your unconscionable prosecution of political enemies, your failed DEI experiments, your ridiculous histrionics, your political violence, your biased and dishonest “fact checking”, your attempts to paint our nation as everything but great, your illegal immigrant invasion, your stupid electric cars, and your obvious calls for your opponent’s assassination by telling your followers that he is the same as a mass murderer or that he will become a tyrant and suspend elections.

You massively overplayed your hand with your shrieking doomsday predictions; calling over half the country garbage, facist, racist, sexist, ableist, xenophobic, transphobic, nazis, insurrectionalists, science deniers, low class, uneducated. You demonized masculine men as “toxic”. You gaslit anyone who wasn’t lockstep with any of your wacky beliefs. You tried to bribe black men with free money and the promise of weed…disgustingly unaware of the fact that most American men who happen to be black don’t need handouts, and don’t smoke weed. You continually lied about how good the economy was, how secure the border was…when we could all see the truth. You screamed about being for “the working man”, but you enacted policies which directly harmed them. Made life harder. Made the non wealthy poorer.

The bumbling geriatric mental midget that you foisted upon us (quite literally the worst that DC has had to offer in the last 50 years) was so weak that there is now a full fledged war in Europe, and another in the Middle East. You lied and told us that he was at the top of his game, when anyone with a set of eyes could see differently. Millions of democrats voted for him in the primary process, yet when it became painfully obvious that the could barely function, you completely ignored those millions of people, and anointed a successor (who no one voted for) that is quite possibly the least likable politician since Hillary Clinton. All while screeching about “democracy in peril”.

That candidate, (who literally got her political start on her knees, sleeping with a married man 30 years older than her) was a cackling disaster who couldn’t answer a single question, hold a single press conference, or be honest about what she stood for. One of the most leftist politicians of all time, who was lying about every single position that she believed in. You tried to use her as a Trojan Horse to insert your anti American agenda into the White House.

You persecuted your political enemies with the power of a massive federal law enforcement agency. You wiretapped a presidential candidate. You used a political candidate’s paid for smorgasbord of crap to lie to federal judges. You tried to impeach a sitting president, accusing him of doing exactly what your next president actually did. You then coordinated a slew of civil suits, and bogus criminal charges to try and bankrupt or jail your political enemy. Only banana republic dictators do that.

You used the mainstream media as your propaganda arm, in order to lie to the entire country. You used famous entertainers (the weird drama club losers from high school who play dress up and pretend) to manipulate people for votes. You turned American against American, demonizing the ones who wouldn’t fall in line. You instructed wives to lie to their husbands about voting, condescendingly believing husbands control their wives. You pulled family members apart with your rhetoric. Turned friends against each other. Divided an entire nation with your propaganda and insatiable thirst for power.

There is only one adjective for the harm you have caused to America. And that word is…
Evil.

Last night, America pushed back and destroyed your plan. The foreign press is saying that the Democratic Party may never recover. Good. That party allowed itself to be infected by vile dishonest parasites who hate this country. Who, despite socialism never having worked anywhere, want to enslave this country with that failed ideology. My father spent almost six years in a refugee camp, starving, to escape that system.
He called it “rampant human misery”.

Last night, We The People stood up to your bullying, your gaslighting, your lies, your propaganda, your manipulation, your pressure, and your threats, and your insanity.

Good for us.

https://www.facebook.com/realsaltyda...7ZytupHmfvymgl

[DesertSteel]

Horrible economy under Biden and Harris doubling down on abortion rights. She already had those votes. What she did is get all the pro-lifers off their couch to vote.

[Steeler-in-west]

It was for alot of reasons, but perceived implies its not real. It is real. There is no freedom of the press or free speech.

at least brandon gave a congratulatory video:

https://x.com/MidnightMitch/status/1854048817076634069

[Mojouw]

So, I have been thinking about why Trump won last night winning both the popular and electoral college votes. There are those who were simply going to vote for Trump and others who would vote for the "R" regardless of whose name was there. But, they voted for Trump in the last two elections. What about those who didn't vote for him last election? I think there's a few reasons.

1. Economy. Not much has to be said about this.
2. The optics of a a weaponized judiciary. I am not arguing whether the charges and convictions against Trump are legitimate, rather, I'm arguing the way it has been perceived. I think at least part of Trump's election was backlash against what people perceived was a weaponized judiciary against political opponents.
3. Backlash against the press. Once again, I'm arguing perception, not whether it is true or not. But, I think many people looked everything that was being said about Trump, and started to doubt the reporting. Consequently, part of their vote may be a middle finger to the press (as well as talking heads and some Democrats) who tried what came across as a scorched earth policy against Trump.
4. He's gangsta! Trump, standing up with security all around him and bleeding from the ear with a fist in the air, was a visual that some people simply could not get out of their head.

Again, most who voted for Trump did so either because they vote for the Republican candidate, whoever it is, or because they are Trump voters. I'm talking here about those who chose to vote for him for the first time or those who didn't vote for him in the last elections but did in the election cycle before.

I do not believe that most people vote "for" this or that; They vote "against" these other things. In my area a major appeal of Trump and the candidates attached to his coat-tails are simply that they are "not libs" or "not the same". In my perhaps highly limited sample, the folks I talk to are not voting for any specific policy or agenda item. They just want "not politician" and that is as far as it goes. Whatever comes next, comes.

Honestly, it is a broken system. The "best" from each party are 2+ decades older than the people driving the country forward. They are out of step and out of touch with the needs and beliefs of most of the voters. They attempt to correct for that via polling data....but polling data tends to only capture the people who answer them. Not historically a representation of "real" America. Most of us are too busy for that nonsense. But it furthers the voting "against" rather than "for". I haven't actually voted "for" something in a long time. Just what I judged to be the lesser crap sandwich. If I gotta take a bite...might as well minimize the crappiness.

I believe that Trump presented a more authentic message for "undecided" (whatever that means) voters. He was basically like, "you know who I am...figure it out". Nothing changed about either party or candidate's positions in the entire cycle. What does one need to decide? A great deal of our elections are determined by people that are unable or incapable of consistently making decisions. That is fine. Each to his own and all that. But candidates across the spectrum need to stop attempting to entice those voters. It comes off as pretentious at best and condescending at worst.

[Craic]

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As I said, most of the electorate was going to vote for Harris or Trump simply because of the D or R after the name. However, there are two groups who voted for Trump that didn't last time. One group are the usual R voters who chose not to vote for him in 2020. I fall into that group. I'm a typical R voter but I couldn't do it last time. I'll get into the specifics of that in a bit. The other group, it seems are crossovers and independents. These two groups are the ones that really interest me as they're the ones who handed the election to Trump.

One trend I've seen coming out of social media (I'm including YouTube in this) is a move of younger black and Mexican and Central American voters to conservative positions. It is interesting to hear them react to videos like the one on Thomas Sowell and slavery, or (regardless of what you think about him) Tom MacDonald rap lyrics that tend to be more populist or conservative. Of course, that is anecdotal, but it aligns with the turnouts for Trump in 2016 and 2024 among the black community. The percentage of black voters who cast their ballot for Trump doubled from four years ago to 16 percent. Even more interesting, about thirty percent of young black men under 45 years old voted for Trump.

As for me, I didn't vote for Trump four years ago for several reasons including the fact that I just didn't think he represented the US well in the world. Of course, there were several other reasons as well (but remove all of that, and I liked about 90 percent of the work he actually did with two specific exceptions I won't go into here). What allowed me to cast a write-in ballot for Pence four years ago was the fact that we had filled the final SC position that was open. I didn't feel like I had to vote for the SC in 2020, which is what I vote for every four years and why I always vote GOP. This time around, I think we may see Thomas and perhaps even Alito step down over the next four years and so, I had to vote for the Supreme Court. But, outside of that, I consciously was also voting against the extreme bias I felt the press was pushing and the way it was being embraced and used by the Democratic party, as well as the extreme language being to castigate Trump. In short, I didn't want to reward them by voting for someone else as if I believed their apocalyptic vision of a Trump presidency.

I'll leave off with this... the biggest difference between 2024 and 2020 in my mind is the way the Democrat candidate ran the campaign. It wasn't that she had a short campaign, the Dem poll numbers rocketed when she took over for Biden. Instead, it is the fact that Biden's campaign in 2020 seemed mainly to run along the thought of, "Get out of the way and let Trump defeat himself." And, it worked for the most part. So, at least to a certain degree, I think this election cycle was also a statement by the middle-of-the-road people on the limits they will accept for apocalyptic alarms if the other party gets into power.

[Mojouw]

~snip for space

You are likely on to something. But many talk about how the "media" does this or does that. And moves opinion/action one way or another. And maybe I am WAY out of step with most folks....but I don't know anyone who watches cable news media, listens to news talk radio, or what I typically assume people mean by "mainstream" media.

Everyone I know gets their news from what they have determined to be "impartial" (a problematic term I realize) sources or a curated feed of podcasts, news streams, article aggregators, etc. that "agree" (align?) with their views on whatever issues they identify as important.

I do not think "young" [Insert Demographic Group Here] is being directly touched by "mainstream" media. They likely don't use it or look at it. I think they are being influenced by the REACTION to mainstream media by whatever pole they migrate to. I do not know if this person even has a show anymore, but I can go an entire election without ever hearing what Rachel Maddow has to say about anything --- Except when people from the opposing end of the spectrum respond in reaction to whatever she had to say. Not sure if I am explaining this at all.

I truly believe we have entered the shitposting/trolling era of American politics. For instance the two dudes in front of me at the store the other day were talking about how the best part was "liberal tears" and "the woke mob crying in their safe space". No mention of actual policies or agenda items. But just getting one over on the "other" side.

And again....you mostly voted AGAINST something...not really for something. I have assumptions about your individual views on the Supreme Court (not judgements just why I speculate you align with the GOP on SC justices) and those are also seeming to be against something rather than for an other thing.

None of that is critique...I do the same thing(s) just on different variables or sides of the same coin. But I really (really) believe the "media" is over-emphasized. One can create your own walled garden of information that never lets in a contrarian word. Or one can create a rage feed of doom-scrolling. But you can do it all while never watching a second of cable TV or reading a word from the NYT or WaPo.

Final thought for this post: The winner of any election moving forward will be the side/person who harness anger the most effectively. Figure out what makes blocs of voters the most enraged. Then tell them how the other side does that, believes that, or whatever. Doesn't have to be true. Just has to piss people off. Then find another group of voters, and do the same thing. Repeat as needed. In the 2024 election Trump stoked fear and anger about the "leftist" better than Harris did about the MAGA agenda. It is kind of like how car commercials have gone over the course of my lifetime. They used to be about 0-60 times, horsepower, torque, towing capacity, and other "facts". Now? They are about how the car makes you "feel" or signals your values/lifestyle/identity.

[Mojouw]

Shorter version:

most folks live in an internet fueled echo chamber of their own design. It radicalizes folks. How you get nonsense like idiots on the left taking about decolonizing the supermarket or how working for a Fortune 500 corporation makes you a war criminal. And morons on the right talking about the fall of Western Civilization or how Hitler was just misunderstood.

[Steeldude]

IMO, the main reason Trump won was due to the fact that Harris was a horrible candidate. She is just too stupid for Dems to hide. Soros wants an idiot puppet in the WH, but Americans knew better this time around. They voted for a moron in Biden and look what happened. If the Dems held a quick primary they would have had a better candidate, but probably not the puppet they so desire.

The next reason is because Dems are too far left. Nothing Dems want is good for Americans. Every policy they have is for the establishment, not the citizens.

On a different note,"PA was blue until the red got off work"

[Voice of Reason]

Reasons Trump won:

1. Horrible inflation.

2. Criminals and drugs pouring across border.

3. Revulsion at biological males competing against women in sports and gaining access to women's bathrooms and shower facilities.

4. Democratic candidate who was unable to promise or articulate solutions to the above problems.

5. Instinctive revulsion at use of legal system to harass and attempt to incarcerate political opponents.

6. Increased Republican ability to detect and neutralize Democrat voter fraud tactics that had been successful in 2020.

[Dwinsgames]

15-20 million imaginary votes were not counted ...

Dems for the last 20 years have 60-69 million voters show up .... somehow Biden from his basement managed over 81 million votes while Trump got 74 million ... 74 million votes is more than any candidate in history received for President in any race in this countries History yet somehow Biden got more (a lot more) .... now all the sudden those votes are gone and back to the normal range of democratic voters in the 60-69 million range ...Interesting ....

[ALLD]

The Ds cheated in 2020. They stuffed ballot boxes and kept the counting machines rolling in districts where they could. Notice how late counting in NV and AZ is still rolling to try and steal the House?

[Mach1]

The Ds cheated in 2020. They stuffed ballot boxes and kept the counting machines rolling in districts where they could. Notice how late counting in NV and AZ is still rolling to try and steal the House?

It's 2020 all over again in those 2 states.

[Mach1]

Reasons Trump won:

1. Horrible inflation.

2. Criminals and drugs pouring across border.

3. Revulsion at biological males competing against women in sports and gaining access to women's bathrooms and shower facilities.

4. Democratic candidate who was unable to promise or articulate solutions to the above problems.

5. Instinctive revulsion at use of legal system to harass and attempt to incarcerye political opponents.

6. Increased Republican ability to detect and neutralize Democrat voter fraud tactics that had been successful in 2020.

7. The democrats antisemitism.

8. Democrats supporting and covering for enemies. Trying to play both sides. hamas and iran, ect.

9. Indoctrinating children and labeling parents as domestic terrorists.

10. Embracing the burning of cities, rioting and looting.

11. Free everything for illegal aliens while the American people suffer.

The list is endless

[Voice of Reason]

15-20 million imaginary votes were not counted ...

Dems for the last 20 years have 60-69 million voters show up .... somehow Biden from his basement managed over 81 million votes while Trump got 74 million ... 74 million votes is more than any candidate in history received for President in any race in this countries History yet somehow Biden got more (a lot more) .... now all the sudden those votes are gone and back to the normal range of democratic voters in the 60-69 million range ...Interesting ....

THIS !!!!!

[ALLD]

Wow, people from the Burgh have awakened! It's about time everybody realized we are all Americans and not interested in living in a tyrannical big government surveillance state that protects their own while a few get rich off the backs of everybody else.

Maybe if those still brainwashed turn off legacy media to heal their brains they will eventually have an epiphany?

[EzraTank]

One question. Where did the extra 13 million votes for Biden go? Trump essentially got the same number of votes. So are we to believe that 13 million voters went *poof* and just didn't show up? It's not like voting was harder this time around. Mail in ballots were still there and a lot of states even added early voting. So again where did these votes go? And please don't say it was just a smaller turn out because that is a LOT of votes.

It makes one wonder if there were "other" things happening in 2020.

I'll come back with a more detailed opinion in this thread but for now I just wanted to put this out there.

Oh and also most states that called for the popular vote to determine their winner even signed it into law but ironically didn't honor it this election. Remember after 2016 all the morons calling for the abolishment of the Electoral College because Hillary won the popular vote. Now the fact that these morons cannot fathom that we are actually a collection so 50 states and territories in the form of a Republic not Democracy is another story but they still went ahead and made The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) which 17 states enacted into law saying that the candidate that wins the popular vote automatically will win all the Electoral votes from that state.

So the states on that list are: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, Maine, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington & the District of Columbia. Every one of those states on that list Kamala won. So according to the law these states agreed to, Trump should gain those electoral votes and win the election 520 to 18.

So let's see if the left backs their own stupidity. We all know the answer but it was fun to watch them squirm.

[EzraTank]

Oh heck while I'm here let's talk about the Electoral College since I brought it up ... and apparently a lot of people have NO clue why the founding fathers and states put it into place so here it is:

Watching John Heilemann on Real Time With Bill Maher this past Friday say, "One day we'll have an election that is decided by the most votes" with yet another uneducated viewpoint completely lacking in civics and how a Republic works is just so tiring.


First off, we do have elections decided by the most votes every Presidential election. But what people like John Heilemann always misunderstand when they blindly attack the electoral college is the fact that the founding fathers realized that for a union of states to survive that power needed to be shared amongst these states in a fair and balanced way to scale states powers and autonomy.


Every election the most votes in each state go to the presidential candidate that wins the popular vote of that state … PERIOD. Then the balance of power is shared, based on that’s states population, and added to the electoral college totals. This is why a state like California gets fifty-four electoral votes and a state like Wyoming gets three electoral votes. So, when you hear people say, the “popular vote” should determine the winner, you need to take pause and realize which popular vote they are talking about. The national popular vote has NEVER determined our presidential winner nor should it ever.

In John Heilemann's perfect world only the top 9 states could decide each election. If you look at state population totals, the top nine states are CA, TX, FL, NY, PA, IL, OH, GA, and NC. If you add the population of those 9 states, they make up more than half the country’s population. So essentially that could leave 41 other states with basically NO say in who their president is going to be.


When the Constitution was ratified and put in place in 1790 the smaller states demanded a balanced election system for the president so the larger more populated ex-colonies like Virginia, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and New York didn’t decide every election. Hence the electoral college was baked into the Constitution. States would be given equal representation based on each having two Senators and the population would be represented in the House. This was brilliance on their part, but most of them knew that true democracies always failed in history because of the tyranny of the majority issue. The founding fathers realized they needed a system that shared the power in our REPUBLIC instead of blindly giving it to the tyranny of the majority. We are a Republic NOT a Democracy!


Our problem lays in the fact that people like John Heilemann can go on television and spew this unchecked nonsense in his comfortable echo chamber with no one to dispute him. If John Heilemann ever gets his way the United States will dissolve as we know it. Why would any citizen in a fly over state with a small population want to remain in a union where their voice isn't heard or determined by someone in a city far away?

[Mojouw]

Oh heck while I'm here let's talk about the Electoral College since I brought it up ... and apparently a lot of people have NO clue why the founding fathers and states put it into place so here it is:

Watching John Heilemann on Real Time With Bill Maher this past Friday say, "One day we'll have an election that is decided by the most votes" with yet another uneducated viewpoint completely lacking in civics and how a Republic works is just so tiring.


First off, we do have elections decided by the most votes every Presidential election. But what people like John Heilemann always misunderstand when they blindly attack the electoral college is the fact that the founding fathers realized that for a union of states to survive that power needed to be shared amongst these states in a fair and balanced way to scale states powers and autonomy.


Every election the most votes in each state go to the presidential candidate that wins the popular vote of that state … PERIOD. Then the balance of power is shared, based on that’s states population, and added to the electoral college totals. This is why a state like California gets fifty-four electoral votes and a state like Wyoming gets three electoral votes. So, when you hear people say, the “popular vote” should determine the winner, you need to take pause and realize which popular vote they are talking about. The national popular vote has NEVER determined our presidential winner nor should it ever.

In John Heilemann's perfect world only the top 9 states could decide each election. If you look at state population totals, the top nine states are CA, TX, FL, NY, PA, IL, OH, GA, and NC. If you add the population of those 9 states, they make up more than half the country’s population. So essentially that could leave 41 other states with basically NO say in who their president is going to be.


When the Constitution was ratified and put in place in 1790 the smaller states demanded a balanced election system for the president so the larger more populated ex-colonies like Virginia, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and New York didn’t decide every election. Hence the electoral college was baked into the Constitution. States would be given equal representation based on each having two Senators and the population would be represented in the House. This was brilliance on their part, but most of them knew that true democracies always failed in history because of the tyranny of the majority issue. The founding fathers realized they needed a system that shared the power in our REPUBLIC instead of blindly giving it to the tyranny of the majority. We are a Republic NOT a Democracy!


Our problem lays in the fact that people like John Heilemann can go on television and spew this unchecked nonsense in his comfortable echo chamber with no one to dispute him. If John Heilemann ever gets his way the United States will dissolve as we know it. Why would any citizen in a fly over state with a small population want to remain in a union where their voice isn't heard or determined by someone in a city far away?

I agree with everything you've posted here. Fun fact...there have been 700+ formal proposals in Congress and whatnot to restrict, reform, or eliminate the Electoral College since its inception. I had to Google who the heck John Heilemann was though!

What is really (to me) interesting is that the biggest reason aside from the representation issue you have identified the Founding Fathers wanted the Electoral College, was they did not trust "regular" folks (well, land owning men) to decide who got to be in charge. They wanted to make sure that there was a smaller group of trustworthy folks to make the final call. And while it has rarely happened and it usually involves a messy court challenge, the so-called "Faithless Elector" scenario has happened before. Can you imagine what would happen now if a state's electors decided to go rogue? Whoooooo boy!

Also, to your post about the popular vote....I read some stats/projections that laid out that the current gap in the total votes cast between 2020 and 2024 will close over the next days/weeks as all the votes across the country are tallied. I think they indicated that like around 90% were counted now and using math, you can add another 10% or so to the total and come up with highly similar vote totals between the two elections. Be interesting to see where the "gap" is in like a week or two.

[Craic]

Also, to your post about the popular vote....I read some stats/projections that laid out that the current gap in the total votes cast between 2020 and 2024 will close over the next days/weeks as all the votes across the country are tallied. I think they indicated that like around 90% were counted now and using math, you can add another 10% or so to the total and come up with highly similar vote totals between the two elections. Be interesting to see where the "gap" is in like a week or two.

Yeah, I'm not surprised by the difference. We also have to remember that four years ago we were right in the middle of Covid. Life was much slower as we were all at home. So, there was more time to pay attention and more time to vote. Beyond that, I think there was a massive "Not Trump" vote that turned out. This year, there wasn't that same drive. Beyond all of that, the vote very well could have been depressed by a lack of energy on the left.

[Craic]

In John Heilemann's perfect world only the top 9 states could decide each election. If you look at state population totals, the top nine states are CA, TX, FL, NY, PA, IL, OH, GA, and NC. If you add the population of those 9 states, they make up more than half the country’s population. So essentially that could leave 41 other states with basically NO say in who their president is going to be.

You're basically referring to the idea of the tyranny of the majority. The electoral college, regardless of reasons for its origins, provides a fantastic safeguard against such tyranny. Moreover, states' rights allow states to either split their vote or make it all or nothing, so states that believe they are not properly representing their people can split their vote like Maine and ... Nebraska? (I don't remember the other state).

[Voice of Reason]

Also, to your post about the popular vote....I read some stats/projections that laid out that the current gap in the total votes cast between 2020 and 2024 will close over the next days/weeks as all the votes across the country are tallied. I think they indicated that like around 90% were counted now and using math, you can add another 10% or so to the total and come up with highly similar vote totals between the two elections. Be interesting to see where the "gap" is in like a week or two.

Well, we know they're gonna manufacture another 100,000 or so votes in Philly to get Casey back in.

[EzraTank]

You're basically referring to the idea of the tyranny of the majority. The electoral college, regardless of reasons for its origins, provides a fantastic safeguard against such tyranny. Moreover, states' rights allow states to either split their vote or make it all or nothing, so states that believe they are not properly representing their people can split their vote like Maine and ... Nebraska? (I don't remember the other state).

Yes but that power still lays within that state and has to be voted on by the people of that state. Unlike the uneducated people that walk around saying, "who ever gets the most votes nation wide should be our President".