Harris/Biden do not care who comes across the border illegally or legally.
https://wjactv.com/news/nation-world...a-visit-crimes“It may be shocking to hear that the Biden-Harris administration is actively releasing tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens into our communities, but their own numbers conclusively prove this to be the case,” Rep. Green wrote. “This defies all common sense.”
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Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Another liberal idiot who thinks it can't happen to him.
Exactly
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...burgh-n2645461
What's up with the Primanti Brothers?
I am just going to pre-burn all my possessions. Might honor kill my pets as well. I mean...clearly the end times are upon us and we can expect to be swallowed in an orgy of violence and accidental drug overdose any day now.
Should probably record some shirtless but wearing sunglasses in the cab of my truck and post them to YouTube first.
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I have zero interest in national politics but I have just got to say how ridiculous both of these "candidates" actually are. One is only the nomination because the fund raising has her name on it. The other has yet to do anything promised other than completely divide every demographic possible. The lesser of 2 evils should be our national motto at this point.
I have to disagree on who's devisive. The party that's always bringing up race and berates the voters of the opposition is the devisive one.
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Meh. The way it's going,World War or ecnomic crash will get you first.
One party calls anyone who disagrees with them fascists, racists, weird, and deplorable, and tries to put the candidate of the opposition party in jail. The other party does none of these things. It is clear which of the two parties is "divisive".
Another gullible lib who thinks he's safe. These are the kind of people I was referring to when I said that the dumb people may now outnumber the intelligent ones.
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Both are decisive. Just in different ways.
So Trump divided the country? Have you EVER watched a Democrat speak? Who said, "You ain't black if you don't vote for me?" Who pushed the lie that even the leftie website Snopes debunked about "Very fine people in Charlottesville"? Hell Kamala even brought it up in the debate long after it was debunked and the ABC moderator twats just sat that and said nothing about her lie.
Who has called a former President, Hitler over and over and called him a threat to our Democracy (even though we live in a Republic)? Trump was already President, when did he exterminate 6 million Jews during his term? When did he start a world war?
Which party tried to use the courts like a Banana Republic to convict their political opponents? They actually raided his household for documents, that mind you were locked in a safe, under the law he had every right to possess as a former President. But when the same types of documents were found, in Biden's unguarded garage, from when he was Vice President and had no legal right to possess the "investigation" came back that Biden was and I quote Robert Hur, "at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory. And it would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him—by then a former president well into his eighties—of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness." Talk about running defense for a guy.
Which party placed a former member and Congresswoman, Tulsi Gabbard, on the terrorist watch list?
Which party refused to allow RFK Jr. to participate in the primary process? Which party cries about our "democracy" yet put a candidate in to their nomination with absolutely ZERO votes from the public? RFK Jr. is correct when he says the Democratic party his father and uncle were part of is gone. That party actually cared about working class people. This party is bought by big pharma, big tech, and the military industrial complex.
Which party FORCED people to get vaccinated with a vaccine that wasn't even tested and still in emergency use? If you didn't get the vaccine you couldn't go to restaurants, work or go into public? Which party did that? Remember it was the same party that called Trump a racist for closing travel with China when the pandemic start.
Is Trump an ego driven moron at times ... absolutely, and at times he's his own worst enemy but the guy really does care about the country. The world was a much better place when he was President in so many ways. No political leader is perfect but if you really need to think about which one is better then I feel sad for you.
Trump could have easily gone after Hillary for her illegal email server but didn't knowing it would have drug the country through the mud. He took the high road, but the Democrats didn't hesitate to attack him.
There is so much more I didn't even cover but this was enough.
Asheville, North Carolina. East Palestine, Ohio. Lahaina, Hawaii ... Where is Biden or Harris to respond to the people suffering from these disasters? I'm not asking them to fly down there for a photo op, but at least hold a press conference and say the country has your back. I bet if Zelenskyy needed a few more billion the Dems would be lining up to autograph a few more bombs to drop on Russia though!
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The cat videos are real I watched them. I live in a big tourist state with many immigrants. They need to be vetted or crime will go up. I already been hit by an illegal with no auto insurance.
All Defense!
Bingo. Spot on ET. All facts.So Trump divided the country? Have you EVER watched a Democrat speak? Who said, "You ain't black if you don't vote for me?" Who pushed the lie that even the leftie website Snopes debunked about "Very fine people in Charlottesville"? Hell Kamala even brought it up in the debate long after it was debunked and the ABC moderator twats just sat that and said nothing about her lie.
Who has called a former President, Hitler over and over and called him a threat to our Democracy (even though we live in a Republic)? Trump was already President, when did he exterminate 6 million Jews during his term? When did he start a world war?
Which party tried to use the courts like a Banana Republic to convict their political opponents? They actually raided his household for documents, that mind you were locked in a safe, under the law he had every right to possess as a former President. But when the same types of documents were found, in Biden's unguarded garage, from when he was Vice President and had no legal right to possess the "investigation" came back that Biden was and I quote Robert Hur, "at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory. And it would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him—by then a former president well into his eighties—of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness." Talk about running defense for a guy.
Which party placed a former member and Congresswoman, Tulsi Gabbard, on the terrorist watch list?
Which party refused to allow RFK Jr. to participate in the primary process? Which party cries about our "democracy" yet put a candidate in to their nomination with absolutely ZERO votes from the public? RFK Jr. is correct when he says the Democratic party his father and uncle were part of is gone. That party actually cared about working class people. This party is bought by big pharma, big tech, and the military industrial complex.
Which party FORCED people to get vaccinated with a vaccine that wasn't even tested and still in emergency use? If you didn't get the vaccine you couldn't go to restaurants, work or go into public? Which party did that? Remember it was the same party that called Trump a racist for closing travel with China when the pandemic start.
Is Trump an ego driven moron at times ... absolutely, and at times he's his own worst enemy but the guy really does care about the country. The world was a much better place when he was President in so many ways. No political leader is perfect but if you really need to think about which one is better then I feel sad for you.
Trump could have easily gone after Hillary for her illegal email server but didn't knowing it would have drug the country through the mud. He took the high road, but the Democrats didn't hesitate to attack him.
Asheville, North Carolina. East Palestine, Ohio. Lahaina, Hawaii ... Where is Biden or Harris to respond to the people suffering from these disasters? I'm not asking them to fly down there for a photo op, but at least hold a press conference and say the country has your back. I bet if Zelenskyy needed a few more billion the Dems would be lining up to autograph a few more bombs to drop on Russia though!
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In what ways is the right devisive? Just curious as to your thoughts on that.
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This.
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That requires common sense, a talent the left doesn't possess. They need to be told what to think.
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I agree. Great post, ET.
It will be interesting to see if 86WARD or Mojouw try to make fun of you.
Y'all are trotting out the hits.
Also....someone saw the cat videos and they are real.....oh sweet summer child....PT Barnum would've loved you!
you could've had Kennedy, a moderate, well spoken candidate who could've brought the nation together but the democratic party basically blackballed him.
the democrats stopped representing the middle working class families a long time ago
PT Barnum would've been a Democrat.
Here's the formula:
1. A conservative comes to prominence.
2. The left launches a series of vicious attacks against the conservative.
3. The left points to their own vicious attacks as evidence the conservative is "divisive".
Your approach of ignoring the problem until it affects you isn't a solution either. Then again we're just two internet dudes bitching on a platform.
Regardless of whether the Haitians are eating pets or not clearly is NOT the issue. The issue is that a tiny town of 58K people in the middle of the country now has to deal with 10-15K Haitians suddenly being dropped at their door step IS the problem. No small town should ever have to deal with this. Our immigration laws should NEVER be abused to these limits. We as tax payers should NEVER have to pay for these people. How did these Haitians get to Springfield OH? We all know they didn't walk there from Haiti. Someone paid for them to get there, we sure as hell know they didn't buy their own tickets which should lead you to ask, HOW DID THEY GET THERE AND WHY.
Remember when the criminal Clinton foundation supposedly "helped" the Haitians back in 2010 after their earthquake yet millions went "missing"? All that country has done since then is spiral downhill. The US foreign policy to Mexico and central America is horrible. Why don't we work to stabilize these areas so people do not have to flee them? But that really is a whole separate discussion isn't it ...
When my great grandfather came to Philadelphia from Budapest in 1901 he had a job as a leather tanner and a flop house to rent a room from already lined up. He came by himself, paid for his own fare on a ship and never took ONE dime from the US government to survive. He worked 16 hours a day and saved money to bring my great grandmother over from Hungary. My grandfather was born in the US in 1907 and three generations later we have worked for everything we own. Why is NY city giving "migrants" millions of dollars in free debit cards, housing and hotels to live in? Why are we paying anything for these people? I'm not against charity but at some point you have to draw a limit. It is no different then when they tell you to secure you own oxygen mask before helping others. The citizens of this country are suffocating and we are more interested in helping migrants over our own struggling people. That is where I have an issue.
But again the whole point of this is why is a small town in the middle of America forced to deal with this? One might ask is this being down on purpose. My opinion, and this is just my opinion, is that is it being done on purpose. It is being done to fundamentally change the voting electorate and demographics of these towns. The Democrats know the middle of the country always votes solid RED. What better way to sway districts then flood them with people, give them free citizenship and get them to vote BLUE after labeling Republicans as racist for simply not wanting their town to turn into a 3rd world. And before you say this is crazy it has already been done. Obama flooded districts in Minnesota with Somalians and it directly lead to people like Ilhan Omar being elected to Congress. Do you really think people from African would pick the winters of Minnesota to live in if they immigrated here freely? Again this is my opinion, I could be completely wrong but I like to look at statistics and draw my own conclusions.
My 2 cents ... the soapbox is yours ...
I am not ignoring the problem until it impacts me. I am advocating that the fears many have bought into basically do not exist (and that is the sentence that no one will read past). I have been hearing these same scary campfire stories in some version or another since the 1980's. That is 4 decades. And none of it has ever happened. Additionally this is not new. People have been saying the same nonsense about immigrants since we had immigration to this country. You mentioned your own Hungarian background. Go look up what people said about Hungarians a hundred or so years ago. It wasn't good. Or Slavs. Or the Polish (where do you think "dumb polack" jokes came from), or the Irish (heck JFK had to give a speech where he promised he wasn't a secret agent for the Vatican), or the whoever....it is an old story with the same outcome all the time.
From what I read, a small town in Ohio that was absolutely economically and demographically dying out decided to actively recruit immigrants on work visas. Boom! Instant little Haiti.
This is the story of immigration since the dawn of time. For instance, where I live we have pockets of the state that are still to this day almost exclusively Norwegian or Swedish. Why? Because over 100 years ago some dude from Norway wandered over to the big pine forests of Wisconsin and was like "I know how to live here! This is familiar!" and then a bunch of other Norwegian dudes heard there was some folks from Norway in a place called Wisconsin. So they went there.
It is the same thing now. There was this dying town in Ohio that didn't have enough tax paying workers for the local plant (I just forget what it is there and am not looking it up) so....they went out and found legal (and this is the part where we agree....but everything I have read is that these folks are all legally documented immigrants on a path to citizenship) immigrants to bolster their workforce. This has, in turn, driven a revitalization of the local economy and tax base. The local political leaders have continued to actively encourage more documented migrants to come to town. As they are paying taxes, opening business, and doing jobs that previously were not being filled.
As to the Somalis in Minnesota....they were settled in the first wave of refugees in the western part of the state because that is where local church and charity groups offered support. This is how it usually works. The US accepts X refugee groups and then asks around to the states on who needs workers, has support networks, or is willing to grow those types of services. In the 1990's several large faith based organizations in Minnesota combined with local charities to create a landing spot for Somali refugees. Once that initial wave was successfully settled...subsequent groups went to an area where people like them had thrived. Again....totally how immigration has worked before and will work in the future.
Another example is that Wisconsin has one of the largest Hmong populations in the world outside of Southeast Asia. Gonna go ahead and guess that the frozen tundra was not the first choice of a group of people from coastal Asia. But, again, local charities and faith communities offered a support network for refugees from the ashes of the Vietnam conflict...and now there are thriving Hmong communities across the state.
I can cite reams of statistics that giving immigrants public assistance dollars is a major net positive. And I am not talking from a squishy social reform point of view. I mean bottom line math and economics. Give X people Y dollars in assistance cash and they will generate Z in economic output and tax revenue. With Z being a far larger figure than Y.
Further, while I agree that legal immigration is and should remain the pathway....even illegal immigration is a boon to the economy. Undocumented immigrants put vast sums into Social Security and Medicaid while taking almost nothing out. But no statistics or reports I could show that demonstrate that math over and over again would every sway your opinion.
I agree that US foreign policy in the Americas has been disastrous. The roots of that go WAY deeper than anything anyone named Clinton ever did. It all revolves around Cold War politics and the KGB and the CIA fostering "regime change" all over the region and changing governments like you and I change socks. It broke those countries in a fundamental way that makes the region a clusterfuck to this day. Truman, Atcheson, Kennedy, Reagan, Bush, etc.
But to return to this one specific small town in Ohio....here is an NPR report (take it with whatever belief you choose...clearly I buy it as basically accurate): https://www.npr.org/2024/08/12/nx-s1...-election-ohio
That lays out that the local manufacturing couldn't find enough workers in the area fill open jobs...so they went out and found them. Again, we are seeing repetition of patterns of immigration from the history of this country, It is not new. Local areas run out of workers from the current population. Reasons for this vary. In the case of what we call the "Rust Belt"; that area has been bleeding out demographically for two generations. Often all that is left are not capable of doing the jobs that are available. We have it all across my state as well. Young people left for more viable and prosperous areas. So what can these communities do? They can either die out and cease to exist, or they can bring in a workforce from outside and try and breathe economic life back into the local area. We have small towns in the middle of nowhere Wisconsin that house more folks from across Central America than they do the Midwest. But then, those initial immigrants have kids....and those kids are Wisconsin natives and blend right into the patterns of the state. They root for the Packers, eat brats and cheese, drink too much beer, etc.
Anyway, this post is far too long and no one will actually read it or care.
Wrong again. I read the post and I read the article.
First of all is the fact that the article comes from NPR, which I hope even you will admit is a left-wing source. Although this doesn't guarantee that the article is wrong, NPR has a track record of being unreliable enough that nothing it puts out should automatically be accepted at face value, which you appear to be doing. But just for the sake of argument, lets put aside the source of the article and look at it on it's own merits.
The main point of the article is that all these Haitians are in Springfield because the city somehow "recruited" them. But the article is very short on details of how this "recruitment" took place. Who exactly recruited them? Was it the city government? Was it the Chamber of Commerce or some association of the businesses that supposedly needed the workers? How exactly does one go about "recruiting" workers? Do you place an ad in the Haitian newspapers? And why were all the new people coming in residents of Haiti? If Springfield needed workers so much, why didn't they just recruit in neighboring towns or even neighboring states? And even if they decided to recruit internationally, why did they recruit in just one foreign country? Did they try other places, and was it just an amazing coincidence that all the recruits came from Haiti?
There's more. After the Haitians were "recruited", how did they get to Springfield? Did they all make their way over individually on their own? If not, how did they get there? Who rounded them up, got them on a boat or a plane, and paid for their trip? And even if you accept the premise that the businesses in Springfield needed workers, would a city of only 60,000 people really need and recruit 20,000 of them?
This story has more holes than a warehouse full of Swiss cheese, and doesn't pass the smell test. This "migration" was deliberately organized by someone, and I highly doubt that the government, businesses, or citizens of Springfield had anything to do with it.
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That’s pretty far off the deep end.
Thete are clear and obvious explanations for all of the “questions” you’ve raised. They are part and parcel of every migration event in the history of people.
But would you believe anyone that was willing to explain it to you? I suspect not.
We have a bingo!
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For you guys who follow this every day, what are the poll numbers showing?
https://polymarket.com/elections
polymarket has traditionally been pretty accurate. So for this election, still too close to call
Do you really believe you can get away with evading the questions with this bullshit?
And did you really grow up in a middle class neighborhood, Kamala?
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