I would be interested in seeing the offense with Wilson. But the biggest problem is the lack of a run game and a collection of WR4s on the field.Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
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I would be interested in seeing the offense with Wilson. But the biggest problem is the lack of a run game and a collection of WR4s on the field.
He DID lead a 4th quarter drive to get the Steelers back in the lead. But yeah, his play was mediocre otherwise.
I say give him one more week. If he can't put up more than 20 points against the Raiders, then give Wilson a shot.
Fields is playing like Fields always plays..
its ugly.
I want Wilson
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Same with Pickett to a degree. How much is the QB and how much is the OC and/or Tomlin's offensive philosophy?
That’s what is hard to evaluate. I didn’t see a lot of opportunities. He got lucky a couple throws weren’t picked, but no misses to open guys. Najee continues to avg 3 yards and OL continues to turn 3rd and 2 into 3rd and seven. It’s not as tough as last year but still tough on QB in first year of system. Then throw in Pickens is out every third play. I thought he might be injured at one point. No playmakers. So I’m good with seeing Wilson now. 5-0 or 4-1 you go with hot hand but they need a spark.
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I mean, better than Canada, because there are actual WR routes into the middle of the field, but none are open still. As for Fields, there were a few missed open guys he just didn’t throw to. I am hopeful Wilson can make those throws. If we could just make some mid to deep throws each game, teams can’t stack the box to stop the run. Of course if we weren’t fielding a bunch of rookies and 3rd stringers along the OL we would be doing better also. That being said, maybe the coaching staff could find a way to scheme through the issues along the OL instead of trotting out “the standard is the standard” and expecting those guys to perform at pro bowl starter levels.
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Orlovsky's assessment of Fields after yesterday:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/41660272
130 passing yards with 3 extra possessions.
Trash offense.
I could do without either, We need to look at the Draft.
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Josh Allen:
9 for 30 for 131 yards and only one TD.
TRASH!
D gives up 450 yards, trash defense. We’re phucked.
Allen can afford a bad game
Fields cant.
Its true though regarding the O line. We’re going nowhere if the line isn't fixed. Also Smith needs to open up the passing attack and relieve pressure on the running game
He ain't wrong. The run game is horrible has no burst. The wife receivers are rarely open
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The defense held a actual real NFL offense to 13 points until 20 seconds left in the game. They did their job. They got the ball for the offense 3 extra times. And the offense same as always unable to score points.
Facing a defense missing their 2 top D lineman, pass rushers. And they couldn't do shit
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That’s debatable…those come much more often for Allen nowadays…
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Yeah that’s because Mitch Trubisky is his backup! Lol
as long as this is the type of effort the QB gets from the WR's , its not gonna matter who plays QB
and that isnt even showing the drop by Heyward on the deep ball early that went through his hands
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
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4-2 as a starter with 10 touchdowns and 1 interception and 2 lost fumbles. All while playing in a conservative offensive game plan.
Are you bending him? Really?
Oh yes I am.
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Yeah I already counted you as a vote against Fields.
Update: He's earned at least one more week. I say continue to leave him in there until we lose a game because of him.
I’d start him. It wasn’t pretty, not like a clean knockout in UFC fight but wore them down and grinded out a win via ground and pound. A win is a win. I personally don’t care if Fields scores running or passing, converts first downs running or passing. Our O line leaks like a sieve and although he had a few ugly throws I give him credit for his scrambling and throwing ball away as well as a bunch of good runs. I also wonder how Wilson would perform so it’s tough call but in the end it’s Fields legs that give him the nod as of now.
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I think Fields has earned the right to survive one bad game. He needs to continue to grow, and he can only do that by playing and learning.
I think they have to keep starting Fields. The offensive line is horrendous right now. Wilson may be able to make a couple more quick decisions and get the ball out of his hands to the right guy, but he would also be taking a lot more sacks for negative plays. Fields has been managing games and keeping turnovers low. Sure he makes some mistakes and has gotten fortunate as a few of his fumbles have been recovered, but the man is winning football games and hopefully learning and improving at his craft as he goes. He is also the only choice if you are looking for a long-term starter. Russell Wilson is at the end of his career. Fields has a chance to be the future.
This is consistent with what I said about Kenny Pickett. I support the young quarterbacks because I know how difficult it is to play the position. It is the responsibility of the coaching staff to put them in the best position to succeed on the field, and to surround them with the proper system, personnel, play calling, and a personal support system to facilitate them to reach their personal best performance level.
It doesn't matter who the quarterback is. This is what I believe needs to be done with whoever the current young quarterback is until it is proven they can't do it at a high enough level. It is exactly why I supported Pickett, and why I currently support Fields. This is about my team winning long-term. I don't just evaluate how the player is performing. I am also evaluating how everyone around him on the field is performing, as well as how the head coach, coaching staff, and front office are performing in putting him in the best position to succeed. It's the only way to try to figure out a players worth going forward.
He leads all Qb’s with six fumbles so far this season, fortunately all of them have been recovered, that is some good luck right there.
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A bad snap that gets dropped and picked right back up is counted as a fumble. All fumbles are not equal.
People talk like Justin Fields is a rookie, let's remember this is his 4th season in the NFL and 6th start this season. Fields is consistent and effective when it comes to knowing when to tuck the ball and run. He is the opposite as a passer. Yesterday showed inaccuracy and poor decision making in that category. When Fields plays Baltimore,KC or the Texans, 140 yards passing won't cut it.
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224 and 168.
These are the passing yards it took to beat the Ravens just last season.
This season I don't know if we can stop their run game. I don't think 400 yards passing will make much difference.
Dan Orlovsky already had a segment where he showed multiple plays where the D Line had easy TFL's setup on Fields and he escaped for positive run yardage and completions. DO pointed out that Wilson doesnt have that mobility and would have been sacked for losses and likely drive killer plays.
With this patchwork and under performing O line, Fields is one of the main reasons that the Steelers keep moving the chains on many of those drives. He isnt going to the bench unless he costs them 2 games in a row or more.
That’s the thing. Fields mobility is keeping them in games or winning games.
With this version of the O line, no idea how Wilson would operate successfully.
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Dan is telling us the same thing many on here have been saying all season. It's Justin Fields' ability to make positive plays out of nothing that is so intriguing. With Ben we had a guy that was just difficult to get on the ground even when the OL was less than. LJ is not a pocket passer either and it is and always has been his legs. Russell Wilson does have qualities to bring, just not as much behind this OL currently.
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