Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Since I was not really alive for most of Noll's tenure....I was not aware of that one. But I do know my modern Tomlinisms. So maybe Tomlin is remixing the classics?
Since I was not really alive for most of Noll's tenure....I was not aware of that one. But I do know my modern Tomlinisms. So maybe Tomlin is remixing the classics?
How many 3-TD, 400 yard passing games did last year's QB room produce? How many games would it take Kenny to get to 3 TD's and 400 yards passing?
There is absolutely no way you can claim Russell Wilson hasn't been light years above what Kenny was last year. It really seems foolish that you're still trying at this point.
Some people just have zero concept of reality.
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And yet when I ask you a question about a "fact" that would debunk YOUR narrative, you duck the question.
Sure I have. Why do you think I want Tomlin fired?
The Steelers have scored over 20 points in only 6 of their 12 games this year. Which means that if their opponents had scored only 21 points in each game the Steelers record right now would be a mediocre 6-6. It's the defense that's responsible for the above average record this year, not the offense or the QB room.
How many did THIS year's QB room produce? One? Why is that one game so significant but the TWO no-touchdown games are NOT significant?
The steelers would been 7-17 in games in the 24 starts with Kenny if their opponents had scored only 21 points in each games
The steelers score 26 points or more in 4 of the 6 games with Wilson and even Fields was much better...Guaranteed this post will be ignored
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The Steelers look more like an NFL team with the Wilson offense than the Pickett MLS.
All Defense!
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But that's not how football works. The other teams score more points when Steelers quarterbacks take tons of sacks and commit more turnovers. You can't just put it in a bottle and think it is going to work out that way.
In the first game after Matt Canada was released from his duties as offensive coordinator and Kenny Pickett as quarterback, the Steelers were tied with the Cardinals and were inside the 1 yard line trying to score when Pickett got hurt before halftime. After that moment, Trubisky came in and they lost that game. That loss wasn't on Pickett. Trubisky then lost the next two games after that by playing like crap. At that time, Mike Tomlin named Rudolph the starter. They won the last three regular season games.
I don't count the Arizona game as a loss on Pickett. Trubisky was horrible and lost that game. That means that taking Trubisky out of the equation, the Steelers probably win 12 games last season.
When you combine the three wins with Rudolph as the starter after the Matt Canada firing with the Justin Fields and Russell Wilson starts this season....the Steelers have gone 12-3 with a quarterback that can play a little quarterback and Matt Canada not being involved in the offense. The team started moving the ball much better and scoring more points.
Matt Canada was the biggest problem this offense had for four seasons. It doesn't exonerate quarterback play entirely, but the design of the offense, the play calling, and the overall incompetence of Matt Canada doomed this team. Everything Kenny Pickett knew about NFL offense is based on what Matt Canada's offense was designed to do. Talk about being set up for failure.
Matt Canada was a plague upon this franchise. He was always responsible for the offensive failures of this team.
True about everything and for Matt Canada,I was so upset when they decided to keep him after 2022.My comment was more in response to voice of reason and his obsession with Kenny, I'm tired of that!
I'm going to start to ignoring him completely again
2023 Steelers: Points For: 304 (17.9/g) 28th of 32How many did THIS year's QB room produce? One? Why is that one game so significant but the TWO no-touchdown games are NOT significant?
2024 Steelers: Points For: 296 (24.7/g) 10th of 32
With 5 games to go, this year's Steelers are 9 points away from surpassing last year's team in points. Do you really want to take the bet these Steelers can't score 9 points in 5 games? They are higher in points per game, and ranked higher amongst the 32 teams. I know you like to cherry pick the two games this year that they didn't score touchdowns, but they still scored a fair number of points in those games. To get all those field goals, they still had to move the ball well.
But if they only score 9 points on Boswells foot, it doesn’t count.2023 Steelers: Points For: 304 (17.9/g) 28th of 32
2024 Steelers: Points For: 296 (24.7/g) 10th of 32
With 5 games to go, this year's Steelers are 9 points away from surpassing last year's team in points. Do you really want to take the bet these Steelers can't score 9 points in 5 games? They are higher in points per game, and ranked higher amongst the 32 teams. I know you like to cherry pick the two games this year that they didn't score touchdowns, but they still scored a fair number of points in those games. To get all those field goals, they still had to move the ball well.
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Dong points!
So much for the reliability of your guarantees. I'm glad you're not remodeling my kitchen.
Somehow you seem to think that these stats benefit you, but all they prove is that despite the "big upgrade" in the QB room, in both years it's not the offense that is winning most games for the Steelers, it's still the defense. The "upgraded" QB room has bailed out the defense in only one game so far this year, last Sunday's game against the Bengals. Now, maybe the offense will do better in the remainder of the schedule and maybe it won't, but as of now it is still the defense and the special teams that are responsible for most of the team's success and not the "upgraded" offense, just like last year.
You guys keep talking about MY obsession with Kenny, but most of my posts about Kenny are replies to posts where YOU GUYS are bashing him. The rule here seems to be that anyone who wants to bash Kenny can post as much as they want, but if I reply to any of these posts I'M the one who has an "obsession with Kenny".
Those "Points For" this year include a lot of points that were scored or set up by the defense, and are conveniently skewed by the one productive game the Steeler offense had last week against the Bengals.
The "Points For" last year were held down by (a) the presence of Matt Canada, and (b) the three games played by Trubisky.
No, the first game after Matt Canada was released was the game against the Bengals where Kenny Pickett produced over 400 yards of offense. The Cardinal game was the game after that.
Other than that, I agree with all you said in your post.
Winner!2023 Steelers: Points For: 304 (17.9/g) 28th of 32
2024 Steelers: Points For: 296 (24.7/g) 10th of 32
With 5 games to go, this year's Steelers are 9 points away from surpassing last year's team in points. Do you really want to take the bet these Steelers can't score 9 points in 5 games? They are higher in points per game, and ranked higher amongst the 32 teams. I know you like to cherry pick the two games this year that they didn't score touchdowns, but they still scored a fair number of points in those games. To get all those field goals, they still had to move the ball well.
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You are correct. I just spewed that out without looking it up.
Now I remember that it was the Bengals game. Thanks for the correction.
My point still stands.
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Did the defense not score and set up the offense last year? Canada was a problem for sure, but a new OC isn't the ONLY reason for the improved offense. Trubisky is part of last year's QB room which you are trying to say is no worse than this year's.
Honestly, if you can't look at the way Wilson runs an offense and see a vast improvement over the way Kenny or Mason runs one, I don't know what to tell you.
Actually, a number of people here have told me I was correct about various things in private messages and reputation notices. The reason most of them don't say it in actual posts is that they don't want to deal with all the BS they'd get from guys like you.
Yes, I agree with the rest of you that Trubisky was terrible and that all three members of this year's QB room are better than him. That's a given. When I am speaking of the comparison of last year's QB room with this year's I am mainly speaking of the swap in March where Pickett and Rudolph were replaced by Wilson and Fields.
This year, up until the Bengals game I was not at all impressed by "the way Wilson runs an offense", since the only thing he seemed to want to do or was halfway good at was throwing a deep ball up for grabs and hoping that his guy came down with it. Against Cincinnati he changed that all around and began hitting accurate short passes in the middle of the field, and looked much better. If he can continue to do that against the better defenses that he will be playing in the latter part of the schedule I will revise my opinion of him upward.
This is a case where multiple things can be true at the same time.
1. 2023 KP and Rudolph and Trubisky were one of the worst QB groups in the league.
2. Fields running only and Wilson chucking moonballs only was an inefficient and difficult to sustain offense for 2024.
3. 2 is better than 1. Maybe not by much. But better.
All reasonable metrics sustain all 3 as true statements.
Scientific method and whatnot.
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2 is MUCH better than 1.
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I agree.
Not close in fact!
Scientific or not, that’s what the metrics/results show…
I wouldnt even attempt to compare the Qb’s between this year and last. I think the real discussion should be between this years offensive system and last years. But maybe thats not as fun.
It is the better question though.
I think there is whatever Canada was doing, 50 feet of sewage, the worst 3 offenses in NFL history, then some other current bad teams, league average, and kind around the high side of average you have 2024 Arthur Smith Steelers offense.
For instance, Smith runs rubs/picks in short yardage to create easy separation. Canada never had two players that coordinated in any single play he called in the entire time he was in Pittsburgh. Like, I literally forgot that teams could do that.
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