Kevin Adams
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Steelers have been rebuilding the OL for yrs now. Between FA and high end draft capital.. I’m hoping last night was just an off night. But if it continues, you have to wonder if it’s a coaching issue. Especially when lineman leave and are great (Dotson). Maybe Pat Meyer sucks.
Aug 18, 2024
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic...17101_40763354
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It’s not the craziest thought.
I've posted this on other sites but it is still a bit surprising that they revamped the offensive staff but then kept the o-line coach.
He is trash
Its been a disaster since Pouncey, DeCastro, and AV left. From drafting Kendrick Green, to Cole regressing, to Dotson being released and going all pro. Something is definitely wrong. Now we’ve got Broderick Jones playing badly? The coaching has to be looked at
and Munchak too!Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
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vs the Bills, the offense was working on passing schemes. The defense was blitzing every play. That's what sending 1 more than they can block looks like. My hope/wish/want is once we start gameplanning for teams and get into our actual offense, defenses that blitz each down are going to get burned by our zone blocking and power run game. You really have to watch these scrimmages for what they are.
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We have a lot of young players some of whom are playing new position. It's going to be a slow and sometimes painful process. I'm convicted we will have a good line eventually.
I've been saying this for years. Dude has never been associated with anything besides middle of the road to below average NFL offense. His entire career is seemingly unimpressive.
But the players seem to love the guy. So who knows?
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When a defense sends one more than the offense can block, it is up to the quarterback to anticipate the blitz and change the protections, get rid of the ball to the right weapon, or to throw it away. That didn't happen. We don't know what the quarterbacks are allowed to do in this new offense with Arthur Smith or if Tomlin is still in total control mode like he was with Pickett...who wasn't allowed to audible or do much at the line of scrimmage. All we know is that this was a problem last year. Pickett didn't beat a ton of defenses with his throws, but he didn't take a lot of sacks and was pretty good at getting rid of the ball.
With that said, the OL still lost matchups in straight one-on-one situations. There is a lot to work on and improve on.
We also don’t know what the teams goals were. I realize the goal wasn’t to lose individual matchups and look bad. But they may have been focused on running certain plays regardless of how the defense aligned.
I’ve clearly never played professional football but I’ve played other sports and in some preseason settings we were just going work on our stuff even if it wasn’t really the best stuff to be running. The results weren’t the priority. Running stuff as a unit was what the only goal was.
Again, I’m not saying there isn’t anything to worry about but with a new offense, new QB, multiple new OL, and new skill positions it may just be working on timing and alignment with results kinda immaterial to the process right now.
The dress rehearsal game will tell us a little bit more.
Finally, I remember Bettis talking about how it took 4-5 regular season games for an OL to gel. So we have a new QB in a new system, everyone else in a new system and for some of those likely their first highly detailed and developed professional system, and basically no one’s played with anyone before.
I’m kinda surprised it hasn’t looked worse.
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There's always some of that in preseason games. The coach is going to run stuff he wants the team to work on and execute. Yes, there are times they will run things that seem situationally stupid at the time, but the coaches have their reasons for doing what they do. There certainly isn't any game planning for preseason games or showing more exotic looks that they are probably going to save for real games in big situations.
The only thing here is that I think they really don't want their veteran QB that has already been injured for much of camp and has had limited play time to take hits. That wouldn't make a lot of sense to put that QB in a position to take hits unnecessarily.
I am not on the panic and burn it all down bandwagon. It's early, and this stuff takes time. These are literally the very first steps that this offense is taking. It just doesn't make sense to think we know everything there is to know about how this plays out.
Steelers' Mike Tomlin bluntly assesses offensive line performance
8/18/24
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic...17181_40761338
“I think the starting offensive line needs to be out there because that was not a great performance at all”, Max Starks said of the Steelers' OL.
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/08/st...-things-right/
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It was a scrimmage. What they were allowed to do at the LOS was very limited. It's more about what the film shows and the coaching there.
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It was a scrimmage. What they were allowed to do at the LOS was very limited. It's more about what the film shows and the coaching there.
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Max makes a very valid point.
Maybe Pat Meyer sucks
no maybe about it ...he does suck
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
I agree.
Ever since Munchak left we have had nothing but lousy OL coaches.
Munchak was the loan bright spot in the last 2 decades of line coaches here I believe
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
One of the only bright spots of coaches in the past two decades period. Tomlin's hires have been atrocious at best. Everyone talks about players wanting to play for Tomlin but nobody talks about how good coaches don't seem to want to come here. Tomlin hires a lot of guys that have been nothing but subpar elsewhere. Which then bring up the question of how are you a head coach for almost 20 years and you have no coaching tree. not a single coach that i know of has been hired away from us. Every year you see other teams giving permission for coordinators or assistants to interview for position that moves them up in the coaching world. Not once can i recall that ever happening here. What does that say about Tomlin and his abilities as a coach?
How do you know “good coaches” don’t want to come to Pittsburgh?
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Belicheck said Arthur a good coach.
Impossible if Tomlin hired him and if he is good, Rooney must’ve hired him.
Fair point. I am assuming as we don't get good coaches. We get mediocre coaches and retreads and guys that have been less than average in other places. So yes i can;t say that for sure. However through deductive reasoning its either the good coaches don't want to come here or Tomlin doesn't want them here (or Tomlin's assessment of coaches is beyond terrible).
What i do know is that we don't typically have good coaches here. That much is true and evidenced again by the simple fact that Tomlin's coaching tree is a pole with no branches. Again when (if ever) has any head coach for 2 decades never had any coach of his that he hired asked to be interviewed by another team? The last time we had a coordinator move on to even the same position or higher from here was Arians and Lebeau who were both forced out. Something truly stinks with all that and is not talked about enough in my opinion.
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Good companies make bad hires all the time. It's not always because management doesn't want good people or because good people don't like the company. It could be a myriad of factors, including bad timing.
Bruce Arians was an excellent coach.
If Todd Haley still wanted to be an OC and not a head coach...he might still be coaching in the NFL.
Lebeau speaks for himself.
As does Munchak
The recently retired DL coach was a legend in coaching circles apparently.
They had a WR coach for a long time that was incredibly well respected throughout the league.
Despite their reputations with Steelers fans, many NFL observers see Austin and Grady Brown as high caliber defensive coaches.
I do not think that the argument that the Steelers do not employ pretty darn good coaches just doesn't hold up to much scrutiny. Remember, this is also a staff that has had a series of pretty undermanned and injury riddled teams get into the playoffs. Someone needs to have some idea of what they are doing.
Coaching trees come about when the rest of the league is convinced your team is doing something schematically that is somehow different, innovative, or unique. That is not the Steelers. Tomlin is basically the opposite of that. I know that on defense they do some funky and unique stuff with passing off coverages post snap but that seems more to based on available players than a specific schematic blueprint that can be ported over to another franchise. For me, Tomlin has always been the kind of coach that figures out what things his yearly roster can do well and he just has his team do that. That clearly can win you a ton of football games. But it isn't some "sexy" or "scheme" thing that other owners think they can just hire a random offensive control assistant coffee schlepper off your staff and bring over.
Tomlin's "secret sauce" is building the team infrastructure to do basic things perfectly over and over again. Wins come from doing the little things better than the other guy. And then you add in Tomlin's "splash" from his star players. And that is how he has done it for his entire career. Few owners have the patience to build that way. They want a quick fix.
One of your better posts!
Thanks. Figured no one would agree.
There’s another pattern as well.
Tomlin seems to like to surround himself with old school football guys. His staff is often small and full of old heads.
Kinda makes sense as the Steelers have largely been a veteran team through Tomlin’s tenure.
Those guys are awesome position coaches and coordinators but not attractive outside coaching hires. I mean these guys have gotten the backup peanut vendor ready to play MLB in the NFL multiple times. They’ve also played zip and nada at WR and gotten productive snaps.
Tomlin does seem to be going a bit fresher faced with the newest wave of offensive hires. See what happens.
I'm wondering what Belichick's tree looks like. I'm thinking it has a number of branches but they're all short because no one hired away from Belichick ever amounted to anything.
If Pat Meyer had anything to do with coming up with the hare-brained idea of rotating the OTs, then:
FIRE Meyer!!!
I think they are on the path to ruining Broderick Jones.
Other than Frazier, I’m not seeing a lot that I love out of this O-Line. It looks about the same as it was at the end of last season…which was average…maybe?
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