i think the landing spot was terrible. Now hes backing up a solid entrenched starter. He couldve backed up Wilson for a season at most, worked hard and probably gotten his shot in 25 at the latest. At least he gets to play closer to home. Looks like he was really frustrated.Originally Posted by DesertSteel
i think MR landed in a better spot with more of a chance to start.
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Smith is a huge play action play caller and Wilson is one of the best play action quarterbacks. The other stuff can be customized.
Here is an interesting discussion on that: https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/2...alysis-nfl-cah
Wilson is excellent at play action. Smith loves him some play action. All true. Seems like a dream match-up.
But take a look at where Tannehill did his damage under Smith...the middle. Wilson has traditionally avoided the middle of the field like the plague. That should be interesting what comes out of that. Does the mountain come to Mohammed or will Mohammed go to the mountain?
I really think the answer to that question and the success that either outcome produces will be, perhaps, the biggest single factor in the Steelers 2024 offensive success or failure.
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The middle is what I was alluding to in my customization remark. Is it the Wilson can’t or was he simply playing within the structure of what the Seahawks wanted?
Of course it didn't. There was never going to be any fair competition. In his two years here Kenny received an education on the real Mike Tomlin, and wisely decided that the best thing for him was to get the hell out and go somewhere where the head coach knew what the hell he was doing in regards to quarterbacks.
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Same thing with Tomlin, and TJ, and Cam.
Because its not an open and shut case as many want it to be. The Steelers no longer have the clout to say "Well this dude just sucks" and be over with it. They don't have the track record of excellence anymore to get away with it. KP was an easy scapegoat for avoiding the unavoidable reality that the Steelers have fully regressed as an organization. Kenny Pickett can not be very good and he can also be badly mismanaged and mishandled by the organization with poor coaching. Both can be true.
You can say KP had a a low ceiling, but we never even saw it. Like I mentioned before. We barely let Kenny show himself. If he's a bust, then he would've sunk himself and be an easy cut, but the Steelers once again blew it. Now you might be saying the Steelers would set themselves back if they hung on too long, well signing a aged QB who is allergic to throwing over the middle and a turnover prone experiment from Chicago to one-year contracts isn't much better.
The Pickett/Rudolph talk is only going to get louder if the team doesn't perform up to its hype, and there won't be a convenient shield for Tomlin.
I don’t think this is the last destination for Kenny. I can see a team calling up the Eagles for Kenny if their starter gets injured.
Dobbs started 12 games last year.
Mason started 14 games in 6 seasons.
BINGO !!!
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Would the Eagles give up KP? I think at this point we pretty much know the ceiling of Will Grier. If the Eagles got this call, do they offer KP or Grier?
Why would they offer up either? Lol. They just traded for Pickett. They aren’t trading him.
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Why wouldn’t they trade him if a team lost a QB and were willing to trade for him?
Almost sounds like Philly may value Kenny even though some swear he isn’t worth much. lol
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They value him as a backup.
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I believe the Steelers did value him. HE didn’t want to sit and learn. I’ve heard some players say you don’t learn from the bench. That may be true for those players. But in KP’s situation, he is still going to be learning from the bench. I hope he picks up Hurts’ work ethic and ability to thrive after getting benched.
So.....there are other Steelers message boards you say?
First, why should a QB who had learned enough to produce over 400 yards of offense in his last full game still have to "sit and learn"?
Second, when Mike Tomlin decides to put a QB in a "sit and learn" position, that guy tends to still be "sitting" and "learning" for quite a long time. Kenny saw that firsthand with Mason Rudolph.
Then when Mason Rudolph finally got another opportunity (again, only BECAUSE Trubisky was so awful that Tomlin was FORCED to bench him and because his precious .500 record was in danger) and performed, Tomlin didn't even bother keeping him. So much for merit and loyalty and "getting better". Tomlin runs his mouth about getting better and competition and stuff, but its very clear he has favorites and will play players to the teams' detriment. Now we get it, all Coaches all have their favorites, but all coaches don't talk the stuff Tomlin does. How is a player supposed to trust his coach when he says one thing but does something else?
When Kenny got to Philly, Nick Sirianni said he's a backup. He didn't cover his ass about "competition". Sometimes, a little honesty and professionalism goes a ways.
Value? Tomlin already lied to Kenny once (The "Quarterback Competition"). Give him one good reason why Kenny (or anyone) had any further reason to trust him.I believe the Steelers did value him. HE didn’t want to sit and learn
Mason Rudolph sucked and he sucked for years. He’s below average at very best.
do you even read what you type or follow Pittsburgh sports at all ?
come on dude its well documented they wanted Mason back , they were trying to work on a deal for him but MASON said he wanted to test the free agent market first ... In the meantime the steelers decided fine you dont want to be here then we will get someone else ......
what is so hard to understand there
another simple concept is Omar Khan is the GM not Mike Tomlin ... good lord people and I am not even a Mike Tomlin apologist but lets be fair and accurate
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
You've got your low opinion of Rudolph, and his actual performance when he finally got another chance is totally irrelevant. Got it.
It's well documented the Steelers SAID they wanted Mason back, just like they SAID there was going to be a fair competition between Mitch and Mason and Kenny in 2022, and between Kenny and Wilson in 2024. But just because they said all these things doesn't mean they were true. As a matter of fact, in every one of these cases the Steelers wound up actually DOING things that were a lot different than what they SAID.
Truly bizarre how enamored you are with a guy you described as “a damn good backup “. Steelers are striving for more than mediocrity.
I agree Khan is the GM but lets not act like a 17 year HC isn’t also involved in these decisions.
Mason made the right move to test FA. No way I’m committing to a team who played Trubisky ahead of me twice. We were also free to see what else is out there while Mason shopped.
I just hope our QB moves pan out. If they don’t folks will wonder if we suck at evaluating QB’s.
oh I wholeheartedly believe they have conversations , I just dont think hanging personnel decisions on the head football coach is the way to go about framing an argument when the team has a GM that has that as part of his job description as at the end of the day that makes it his final call to make (unless ownership trumps him ) ... and I refuse to blame the team when the player publicly states he wants to test the market ....... as for trusting the teams ability to evaluate QBS , I wouldn't disagree completely with that assessment in terms to how college players translate to the pros .... but after that is where I waffle about it ...
Thing that I have convinced myself must be the reason for Mason rotting on the bench behind everyone else for so long must be he looks the same in practice now as he did back when Duck beat him out for the job when Ben was down ... come game time he was able to step up , unlike anything he had done in the past thus was an unknown quantity with this new found ability to step up ....
other than that I just don't know
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Its not the Qb evaluations as much as the ability to select coordinators. Lately the Steelers have been atrocious there. Maybe Arthur Smith is a better pick and pans out.
I’ve long suspected that the Steelers internally pegged Rudolph’s ceiling as X. And then judged other options as having a lower floor than X but a potentially far higher ceiling. They were wrong and it bit them in the ass. But I do think they properly evaluated Rudolph’s ceiling.
I am not "enamored" with Rudolph, he's just a guy who has been mis-evaluated for years by Steeler coaches, fans, and members of the media, who basically said he was so bad he wasn't even a good backup and didn't even belong in the league. This past season he finally got another chance and showed that he was a lot better than some of these people (including the coaches) thought he was. But some of these people consider themselves master football evaluators and don't want to admit that he proved them wrong, so they ignore his performance from last year and continue bashing and downgrading him so they can claim they were right all along. Whenever I encounter one of those people I do my best to call them out for what they are doing and set them straight.
Thing that I have convinced myself must be the reason for Mason rotting on the bench behind everyone else for so long must be that the head coach doesn't know shit about evaluating quarterbacks.
Interesting how, according to the Tomlin apologists, Tomlin isn't really responsible for anything. He's not responsible for hiring coaches such as Canada, that was forced on him by Rooney. And he's not responsible for personnel decisions, the final call on that is the GM. Yet somehow when something goes right. it's Tomlin who took the Steelers to two Super Bowls and won one, and it's Tomlin who's never had a losing season.
We win as a franchise and lose as a franchise. Folks say Ben won 2 SB’s. He didn’t do it by himself. Its just the way folks talk about players and coaches.Interesting how, according to the Tomlin apologists, Tomlin isn't really responsible for anything. He's not responsible for hiring coaches such as Canada, that was forced on him by Rooney. And he's not responsible for personnel decisions, the final call on that is the GM. Yet somehow when something goes right. it's Tomlin who took the Steelers to two Super Bowls and won one, and it's Tomlin who's never had a losing season.
Anyone who tries to use that against folks is just being lazy.
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