Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.

[pczach]

No way of knowing until he plays in an actual game for them.

But the Iggles paid Mariotta like $4.5 million to play back-up QB for them. They push the cap every year as they are trying to win a SB.

Being able to have KP count for about 1/3 of that back-up QB cap number was likely more highly appealing than the specific player.

For instance, Drew Lock is hitting the NYG cap for $6 million in 2024. Jameis Winston is costing the Browns $4 million.

$1.9 million for KP is likely what the Eagles were most attracted to when the traded for him.

And if you look at this chart....they are still well stocked with draft picks: https://www.phillyvoice.com/philadel...-picks-future/

Cap math drove this deal. I suspect that the Eagles were in on Desmond Ridder as well. I also suspect that they sniffed around on Howell as well.

We're talking about a young quarterback with starting experience, a winning record, a chance to still get better, and for a bargain basement price on his rookie deal as a backup. That's a solid signing for them on paper.

Of course you want to see him play. But how is that any different than Russell Wilson, who is going to be a starting quarterback?

I hear the Kool-Aid is being passed around before seeing Russell Wilson play one down on a team that wants to compete for a super bowl but paid next to nothing for him and he has one of the worst won/loss records over the last couple seasons. But saying a team that wants to compete for a super bowl got a great deal on a young, former starter with a winning won/loss record on the cheap to play backup for them is just a financial move with no upside potential?

This isn't a nasty gram. I just don't understand how anyone can look at what the Eagles got and think it isn't a good deal for them.

And contrary to some here, I think there is a distinct possibility that Hurts gets injured and misses time at some point this season. I wish Pickett well, and hope he plays well if he gets the chance.

Sometimes I think some here hope that Pickett never gets a chance because they are afraid it may show that the Steelers may have had a decent quarterback but didn't know how to coach him or support him. That it may reflect badly on the Steelers staff.

The way I see it, if Pickett can't play well with the Eagles if he gets a good chance, it verifies that the team was correct and it is good that they moved on from him and didn't waste anymore time on him. If he plays well, it identifies a mistake by the team and a weakness in the chain that needs to be corrected or removed from the equation.

Either way, the organization gets an answer that can help them going forward.

[Born2Steel]

Kenny Pickett is with the Eagles now. My interest in his success or failure no longer exists. I watch NFL football because I like football, so will watch most games that are televised in my area. If an Eagles game should come on, I will watch it too. But I will not care if the QB is Jalen, Kenny, or whoever they put out there. I know some of you have claimed you only watch if the Steelers are playing because you really don't like the product as a whole, and that is an entirely different discussion for a different thread. I'm just saying I would be perfectly happy watching Kenny play QB with another team. I have zero emotion invested in the future of Kenny Pickett. His past with the Steelers was so MEH, I don't really care to relive that either.

[Steeler-in-west]

Kenny Pickett is with the Eagles now. My interest in his success or failure no longer exists. I watch NFL football because I like football, so will watch most games that are televised in my area. If an Eagles game should come on, I will watch it too. But I will not care if the QB is Jalen, Kenny, or whoever they put out there. I know some of you have claimed you only watch if the Steelers are playing because you really don't like the product as a whole, and that is an entirely different discussion for a different thread. I'm just saying I would be perfectly happy watching Kenny play QB with another team. I have zero emotion invested in the future of Kenny Pickett. His past with the Steelers was so MEH, I don't really care to relive that either.

you should actually keep an eye on Pickett. Because how he performs reflects on the ability of the Steelers management and coaches on evaluating Qb’s. It’ll be interesting to see how MR and KP perform. This is really a new dawn of the Steelers hierarchy. This is their first real test since Dan Rooney passed and Ben retired. Since they jumped on the Wilson train and bailed on KP I’ve been worried about the Steelers, just gut reaction maybe.

[Born2Steel]

you should actually keep an eye on Pickett. Because how he performs reflects on the ability of the Steelers management and coaches on evaluating Qb’s. It’ll be interesting to see how MR and KP perform. This is really a new dawn of the Steelers hierarchy. This is their first real test since Dan Rooney passed and Ben retired. Since they jumped on the Wilson train and bailed on KP I’ve been worried about the Steelers, just gut reaction maybe.

I keep reading this sentiment but couldn't disagree more. Kenny bailed on the Steelers. Not the other way around. Kenny could be in the same exact position Justin Fields is in right now. IF Russ isn't cutting it or gets injured or Ciara decides it's time to move on, whatever. Justin Fields is now the QB of the Pittsburgh Steelers. THAT could have been Kenny. He apparently did not want to earn his place on the team. Do you FEEL like Kenny did anything to earn QB1 over Russ? I do not. If you just go out and ask any 'man on the street' who's the better NFL QB Russell Wilson or Kenny Pickett, I would bet 100% would say Russell Wilson. And so far it has not been close.

If Kenny succeeds, good on him. Has NOTHING to do with the Steelers brass. They gave him what he wanted, a trade. If Kenny had chosen to stay there would be no Justin Fields on the Steelers roster to talk about. It would still be Wilson Pickett.

[Steeler-in-west]

I keep reading this sentiment but couldn't disagree more. Kenny bailed on the Steelers. Not the other way around. Kenny could be in the same exact position Justin Fields is in right now. IF Russ isn't cutting it or gets injured or Ciara decides it's time to move on, whatever. Justin Fields is now the QB of the Pittsburgh Steelers. THAT could have been Kenny. He apparently did not want to earn his place on the team. Do you FEEL like Kenny did anything to earn QB1 over Russ? I do not. If you just go out and ask any 'man on the street' who's the better NFL QB Russell Wilson or Kenny Pickett, I would bet 100% would say Russell Wilson. And so far it has not been close.

If Kenny succeeds, good on him. Has NOTHING to do with the Steelers brass. They gave him what he wanted, a trade. If Kenny had chosen to stay there would be no Justin Fields on the Steelers roster to talk about. It would still be Wilson Pickett.

they didnt have to trade him. They could’ve let him calm down and accept the Wilson signing. If they were keen on his potential that’s what they would do. I don’t think they were that enamored of his potential to begin with - that’s they’re evaluation of him in a nutshell.

actually they made their evaluation of his potential when they signed Wilson. You can even go back to not playing him last season when he was cleared. I’m interested to see how this plays out and to see if they where right about him (and I was wrong lol)

[Born2Steel]

they didnt have to trade him. They could’ve let him calm down and accept the Wilson signing. If they were keen on his potential that’s what they would do. I don’t think they were that enamored of his potential to begin with - that’s they’re evaluation of him in a nutshell.

They were enamored with his potential enough to draft him #20 overall.

[Born2Steel]

https://thespun.com/nfl/mike-tomlin-...ng-quarterback

Now let's see if Justin Fields asks for a trade.

[Mojouw]

We're talking about a young quarterback with starting experience, a winning record, a chance to still get better, and for a bargain basement price on his rookie deal as a backup. That's a solid signing for them on paper.

Of course you want to see him play. But how is that any different than Russell Wilson, who is going to be a starting quarterback?

I hear the Kool-Aid is being passed around before seeing Russell Wilson play one down on a team that wants to compete for a super bowl but paid next to nothing for him and he has one of the worst won/loss records over the last couple seasons. But saying a team that wants to compete for a super bowl got a great deal on a young, former starter with a winning won/loss record on the cheap to play backup for them is just a financial move with no upside potential?

This isn't a nasty gram. I just don't understand how anyone can look at what the Eagles got and think it isn't a good deal for them.

And contrary to some here, I think there is a distinct possibility that Hurts gets injured and misses time at some point this season. I wish Pickett well, and hope he plays well if he gets the chance.

Sometimes I think some here hope that Pickett never gets a chance because they are afraid it may show that the Steelers may have had a decent quarterback but didn't know how to coach him or support him. That it may reflect badly on the Steelers staff.

The way I see it, if Pickett can't play well with the Eagles if he gets a good chance, it verifies that the team was correct and it is good that they moved on from him and didn't waste anymore time on him. If he plays well, it identifies a mistake by the team and a weakness in the chain that needs to be corrected or removed from the equation.

Either way, the organization gets an answer that can help them going forward.

Sorry. You’re trying to have a discussion that I’m not having. As a result I’m not sure what the difference between the two posts are.

Of course Pickett is young. That’s why he’s cheap. Of course he’s a former starter. That’s both why he’s available and a component of why teams are interested.

My only point if I’m a SB caliber team looking for a cheap backup QB, I would rather pay KP under 2 million than Rudolph 2.7 million. Not only is he cheaper but he’s better.

I’d certainly be way more in favor of KP at under 2 than Drew Lock at whatever price he’s getting paid.

It’ll be interesting where it goes when KP hits the open market. Does he get big backup cash or Rudolph cash?

That’s my point. This is never only about the player performance. It’s performance + cost that drive decisions.

[86WARD]

Nah. You’re missing the point.

The ONLY question is how much better Mason Rudolph is than both Pickett and Grier.

[DesertSteel]

It’s a good deal for the Eagle’s because they got a decent backup quarterback for the next two years for a mid round pick.

[Edman]

https://thespun.com/nfl/mike-tomlin-...ng-quarterback

Now let's see if Justin Fields asks for a trade.

The article perfectly sums up to me why the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in seven years.

[Born2Steel]

The article perfectly sums up to me why the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in seven years.

You talking about the parity part? Because I agree.

[pczach]

Kenny Pickett is with the Eagles now. My interest in his success or failure no longer exists. I watch NFL football because I like football, so will watch most games that are televised in my area. If an Eagles game should come on, I will watch it too. But I will not care if the QB is Jalen, Kenny, or whoever they put out there. I know some of you have claimed you only watch if the Steelers are playing because you really don't like the product as a whole, and that is an entirely different discussion for a different thread. I'm just saying I would be perfectly happy watching Kenny play QB with another team. I have zero emotion invested in the future of Kenny Pickett. His past with the Steelers was so MEH, I don't really care to relive that either.

If your interest in Kenny Pickett's success or failure no longer exists, why are you reading and posting in the "Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles" thread?

Seems to me you are just worrying about parroting the company line. Since when is it not constructive to try to learn something about a player or the way your own organization coached, supported, or evaluated a player?

But you keep your head down and try to dismiss anything that anybody says that you believe questions the team.

For crying out loud, any evaluation worth a damn uses all information. Every team organization worth anything is using any means at their disposal to self-diagnose the way they do things.

If you don't and want to bury your head in the black and gold sand, that's on you and no big deal.

If the team doesn't do their homework and try to diagnose errors in the way things were handled, then they aren't doing their jobs....and that identifies a huge problem. If they look to see if there was an error or a problem but find out they were correct in their actions and evaluations, then the team knows they acted accordingly.

You see, contrary to what you are trying to convince people of, paying attention to things that you seem to bristle at can still help the team. Accusing others of bashing the team if they don't believe everything the Steelers organization says or doesn't agree with everything the organization does is silly.

And stop acting like this doesn't matter to you. All you do is try to shoot anything down that questions Tomlin or the organization and you bang on Pickett saying he forced a trade. You also continue to tell everyone they shouldn't be worried about Kenny Pickett in a Kenny Pickett thread. Stay in your lane. The rest of us can figure out how we judge things for ourselves and what matters or not, thanks.

[DesertSteel]

From my perspective, in the relationship, Kenny is the one at fault. I’m not even getting into the Canada part. That affected the whole team. But as to the relationship dynamics, Kenny was the immature one and it got his butt traded. Do I care how he does from here on? Yeah, I hope he stays a backup. I bleed black and gold. I doubt I’ll get rid of the sour taste Pickett left with me any time soon.

[Hawkman]

What social media post is this? I have seen nothing reported anywhere about Mason and the Steelers pulling a deal from him.

EXACTLY!! I’m still looking.

[Hawkman]

Perhaps you weren't around when I signed up genius. Ask all the people why they insult new members when you would assume they should encourage them to join. Secondly, you still haven't addressed the point that I wasn't talking about you. You must have some personality quirk to assume that every comment is about you. Either that, or perhaps you're the great defender of discussion forum members. You see yourself as kinda a hero to them? Mind your own business would be my suggestion. The people who I was referring to know who they are, except you I suppose. I can tutor you on how to tell if someone is talking to you if you wish. Message me privately and we can begin class.

Not interested! Too many QUALITY posters here, (with very low intelligence), for me to be bothered with/by you. See you!

[Voice of Reason]

It’s gotten to the point where the Pickett haters and lovers are now debating his Eagles career…

I don't pretend to know the dynamics of the Eagles situation. All I know is that Kenny's future depends on his eventually being given a legitimate chance somewhere. It may or may not be with the Eagles. It may or may not be this season. I'm just hoping that somewhere, sometime, he will get the legitimate chance he didn't get in Pittsburgh.

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KDS. Same as Trump derangement syndrome. 3 or 4 people on here have it BAD. Kenny lives in their head every day.

BINGO !!!

[Voice of Reason]

Sometimes I think some here hope that Pickett never gets a chance because they are afraid it may show that the Steelers may have had a decent quarterback but didn't know how to coach him or support him. That it may reflect badly on the Steelers staff.

It would also show how wrong they were for bashing Pickett.

[Voice of Reason]

https://thespun.com/nfl/mike-tomlin-...ng-quarterback

That's right, TJ. You haven't won a playoff game in your whole career. However, you have no clue as to why. And everything you've done this offseason makes it more and more unlikely you ever will.

[Voice of Reason]

The article perfectly sums up to me why the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in seven years.

THIS !!!

[86WARD]

That's right, TJ. You haven't won a playoff game in your whole career. However, you have no clue as to why. And everything you've done this offseason makes it more and more unlikely you ever will.

That’s pretty much all untrue. Just the addition of Patrick Queen improves the team, not to mention anything else they’ve done. Will they win one? Maybe not. But the addition of Queen definitely makes it more likely that they will.

[polamalubeast]

[Mojouw]

The article perfectly sums up to me why the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in seven years.

Since the article was basically two pull quotes and fluffer-nutter....what is it that it sums up? There was no analysis or new information.

Is the idea that there are guys that entire camp with the inside lane on starting spots somehow revolutionary and bad? Hasn't football worked that way since it was invented?

[feltdizz]

I keep reading this sentiment but couldn't disagree more. Kenny bailed on the Steelers. Not the other way around. Kenny could be in the same exact position Justin Fields is in right now. IF Russ isn't cutting it or gets injured or Ciara decides it's time to move on, whatever. Justin Fields is now the QB of the Pittsburgh Steelers. THAT could have been Kenny. He apparently did not want to earn his place on the team. Do you FEEL like Kenny did anything to earn QB1 over Russ? I do not. If you just go out and ask any 'man on the street' who's the better NFL QB Russell Wilson or Kenny Pickett, I would bet 100% would say Russell Wilson. And so far it has not been close.

If Kenny succeeds, good on him. Has NOTHING to do with the Steelers brass. They gave him what he wanted, a trade. If Kenny had chosen to stay there would be no Justin Fields on the Steelers roster to talk about. It would still be Wilson Pickett.

Somehow Mitch got all the reps with the 1st team. He sucks.
We had Matt Canada at OC. He sucks
OL was subpar
He lost his job to injury
He found out Russ was acquired from social media
Told it was an open competition then a day later Tomlin said Russ was in pole position

What QB stays with the same org and ends up getting quality playing time?

I think folks are lying to themselves when they say Kenny ran from competition. He asked out because we have struggled to put together an OL and there is a bunch of uncertainty with the offense.

I agree with the person who says you look to see how Kenny and Mason fair on other teams to see if we made the right choice or if we are clueless at building an offense.

Plus, look at Dobbs. He had more chances to play last year than Mason had the last 4 years combined.

What we really don’t know nor cared to see is what Kenny looked like without Matt Canada for a season. Kenny getting injured was his fault so it’s unfortunate for him but honestly, the last thing I would want to do is be a back up for a run heavy offense with Russ Wilson starting. Chances of playing are slim to none IMO in 2024. At leadt rhere is a chance Philly deals Kenny for a pick if a starter goes down somewhere.

[Penglose]

It’s a good deal for the Eagle’s because they got a decent backup quarterback for the next two years for a mid round pick.

Maybe it'll work for them if their defense holds other teams to less than 10 PPG. Low turnovers. Low yards per completion. And make sure no one hits him. He's probably gonna be good for 13 points a game.

[Born2Steel]

If your interest in Kenny Pickett's success or failure no longer exists, why are you reading and posting in the "Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles" thread?

Seems to me you are just worrying about parroting the company line. Since when is it not constructive to try to learn something about a player or the way your own organization coached, supported, or evaluated a player?

But you keep your head down and try to dismiss anything that anybody says that you believe questions the team.

For crying out loud, any evaluation worth a damn uses all information. Every team organization worth anything is using any means at their disposal to self-diagnose the way they do things.

If you don't and want to bury your head in the black and gold sand, that's on you and no big deal.

If the team doesn't do their homework and try to diagnose errors in the way things were handled, then they aren't doing their jobs....and that identifies a huge problem. If they look to see if there was an error or a problem but find out they were correct in their actions and evaluations, then the team knows they acted accordingly.

You see, contrary to what you are trying to convince people of, paying attention to things that you seem to bristle at can still help the team. Accusing others of bashing the team if they don't believe everything the Steelers organization says or doesn't agree with everything the organization does is silly.

And stop acting like this doesn't matter to you. All you do is try to shoot anything down that questions Tomlin or the organization and you bang on Pickett saying he forced a trade. You also continue to tell everyone they shouldn't be worried about Kenny Pickett in a Kenny Pickett thread. Stay in your lane. The rest of us can figure out how we judge things for ourselves and what matters or not, thanks.

That is a whole lot of typing to say absolutely nothing correct about me or my post.

[Born2Steel]

Somehow Mitch got all the reps with the 1st team. He sucks.
We had Matt Canada at OC. He sucks
OL was subpar
He lost his job to injury
He found out Russ was acquired from social media
Told it was an open competition then a day later Tomlin said Russ was in pole position

What QB stays with the same org and ends up getting quality playing time?

I think folks are lying to themselves when they say Kenny ran from competition. He asked out because we have struggled to put together an OL and there is a bunch of uncertainty with the offense.

I agree with the person who says you look to see how Kenny and Mason fair on other teams to see if we made the right choice or if we are clueless at building an offense.

Plus, look at Dobbs. He had more chances to play last year than Mason had the last 4 years combined.

What we really don’t know nor cared to see is what Kenny looked like without Matt Canada for a season. Kenny getting injured was his fault so it’s unfortunate for him but honestly, the last thing I would want to do is be a back up for a run heavy offense with Russ Wilson starting. Chances of playing are slim to none IMO in 2024. At leadt rhere is a chance Philly deals Kenny for a pick if a starter goes down somewhere.

Whether Kenny wanted a trade because he felt entitled, if he thought this group can’t field an offense for him, if he didn’t want to sit behind Russ, if he just refused to compete….whatever his reason, Kenny is the one that asked to be traded. He was not called into the office and told we were trading him. He got what he wanted and moved on. I’m doing the same.

[Edman]

Kenny asked for a "change of scenery" but Tomlin never mentioned why.

Like the story we got in Seattle, its something we can speculate but will never really know the truth about. But it tells me all I need to know.

[pczach]

It would also show how wrong they were for bashing Pickett.

But I'm not trying to stick it to anyone or hope that that the new quarterbacks fail. I hope Russell Wilson and Justin Fields play out of their minds and the Steelers win a couple super bowls over the next few seasons. Nothing would please me more.

It's just that some people won't even entertain the possibility of Pickett succeeding at all. They certainly are laying the groundwork to say that Tomlin and the coaching staff didn't have anything to do with it if Pickett starts balling out in Philadelphia or anywhere else. They are defending the team when there is simply talk of possibilities going forward or what we may learn from it. They don't even want to hear one bad word about them or the chances of anything that shows they screwed up or simply made a mistake. It's difficult to wrap my head around where they are coming from with this logic. They are in full defense mode to the point that you can't even have a conversation about the subject. People are just trying to shut you down as if it is going to bring some harm to them if they hear the wrong words.

[feltdizz]

Whether Kenny wanted a trade because he felt entitled, if he thought this group can’t field an offense for him, if he didn’t want to sit behind Russ, if he just refused to compete….whatever his reason, Kenny is the one that asked to be traded. He was not called into the office and told we were trading him. He got what he wanted and moved on. I’m doing the same.

that's fair